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Lemmings, Investors and Gold

Trader Rog
September 25, 2012

 

Investors (sometimes called lemmings) since time immemorial, have a distinct propensity to blindly follow the herd, propelled by corporate-banker-media public relations fiction.

 

A continuing stream of packaged news is designed to bend ideas and thinking because they, of course, know better than us. The reality is “they” are determined to install “their” thinking and ridiculous unreality into our minds and pocketbooks…in a serious effort to empty it for their benefit. Mostly, this is old paradigm stuff with rules and ideas drilled into peoples’ heads for decades. Changing times call for changing ideas. If you’re stuck in the last decade you might pay a hard price.

 

When some public figure in government, in higher education or in a corporation makes a statement that has no reason for utterance, most often there is an agenda behind the words. When some lackey is repeating himself with vigor, it’s normally to sell an idea that aligns with their schemes or attempts to get you to think like them. For investors and traders this can be very dangerous to your accounts. Face reality and understand it on your terms.

 

The winners in trading and investing take the time to assess situations and read about those relative ideas (both positive and negative). Each of us has different objectives, varying account sizes and contrasting appetites for risk. In our current environment a one-size-fits all fund for your money is really scary.

“Lemmings became the subject of a popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate. It is not a mass suicide, but the result of their migratory behavior. Driven by strong biological urges, some species of lemmings may migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many may drown if the body of water is so wide as to stretch their physical capability to the limit.

“Because of their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.”  -Wikipedia

 

Common Misconceptions in Today’s News – PART ONE

Fund managers know better than you where your hard earned money should reside. They prefer that it be in their fund where you must park it for years. This way they can take their 1-2% annual fee plus an average 20% of the net. While we are certain they would like to earn nice gains for you, the reality is, many of these managers could care less as long as they get theirs. This game is a goner in our view. We are not totally against buy and hold but rather suggest that trading often (not day trading) has distinct advantages. Look over the following ideas and misconceptions we think are fraught with wild risk.

 

1.) Bonds are a safe place to earn money. They contain less risk than stocks, particularly municipal bonds.  Both Meredith Whitney and Trader Tracks said years ago that when communities had the inability to keep taxing and taking, they would be in a world of hurt. It’s happening now and spreading fast in California. Yet, more bond paper is being sold to credit-buying lemmings. Bond interest is paid from taxes. Taxpayers cannot pay as they are broke in increasing numbers. We strongly advise against these kinds of trading products.

 

2.) Forex trading is great fun, quite safe and risks are contained. There have been several of these Forex wild-west types of trading operations that have closed down. If you want to trade currencies, get an experienced broker, learn about 2-3 currencies and focus on trading the big futures currencies markets. Stay away from cartoon trading.

 

3.) You can earn money with no risk.  We don’t care what anyone says; even the most conservative trading and investing ideas have some risk. There is risk every day in the morning when you arise to meet the day and go to work.  If you are trading or investing you have some degree of risk. Learn to control it as best you can. Trade or invest with a solid plan and a strong focus.

 

4.) Big banks are solvent and have cleaned out all their bad debts from balance sheets. There are trillions in bad debts hidden in the back rooms of global banks all over the world. In our opinion, they dumped all their toxic debt trash off the balance sheets and are currently reporting in denial of horrid bad debts existence. If all toxic derivatives and bad loans were recorded and reported on updated balance sheets, in essence, these banks would be insolvent and bankrupt. They are living on fiat paper from the Federal Reserve and US bond spreads.

 

5.) Gold and silver are dead products. They don’t earn interest and are for fools. This one is simple. Look at gold’s value in 2000 and what it’s worth today…the same for silver. We will compare those gains against most anything else spanning more than a decade. Guess what? The best is yet to come as 80% of the whole upside historically lands in the last six months of a multiple years’ rally.

 

6.) Gold and silver shares are a poor investment. This is a precious metals’ stock market. You can buy and sell companies of all sizes. Those who made good decisions have earned a pile already.  If you’ve made serious gains and have given the upside back, stay in the game, be selective and trade less. We like a handful of juniors and a few more senior stocks as good choices. Faster traders can buy call options.

 

7.) Get into blue chip companies and hold the shares forever. How many big blue chip companies trading in 1925 lasted until 1946 after the war was over? They have risks too, just like any other stocks. Watch the Nasdaq 100 for trading signals that forecast trends for the stock indexes as an entire group. It’s reported some billionaire traders are in precious metals and nothing else. We are not so sure of that, but it is a trend.

 

8.) Your 401K and IRA funds are totally secure. You cannot lose whatsoever. We can see potential for mismanagement of these funds just like any others. Those managers try to do a good job but they are at the mercy of credit markets, international politics, tax changes, etc. They have advantages, but it is advised you understand the fund rules and exit strategies.

 

9.) Real estate keeps rising with inflation. Buy now with a cheap interest loan and borrow to the hilt. Inflation will grow and pay off your home. Real estate is a great investment. Ask a homebuyer in Las Vegas who purchased at the peak between 2003 and 2006 how well that worked out. That cycle saw +100% gains in housing values. Then, with the following crash, many held mortgages owing thousands above current values. With mortgage derivative slicing and dicing of loans, many do not know whom they should pay on open mortgages. This industry is a gigantic mess that won’t be untangled for a decade. If you are a buyer, know the values and expect to be in that place for a very long time, as it may not be eminently saleable.

 

10.) Stock and bond markets cannot crash. The Federal Reserve will prevent major damage. We have all seen scary stuff in 1987, 1996, 2000 and 2008. The next one could be only weeks or days away. On the other hand, we could mush along in rising interest rates, inflation and depression for years…until the next war starts for a new jobs program. Nothing is crash proof.

 

11.) All major international currencies are safe. Be in a money fund for growth. We’ve all seen and heard about the Zimbabwe currency. Toilet paper is worth more. How about disasters in South America, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Venezuela and a few other nice places where currencies were previously viewed as safe? Tragedy has ripped apart the economic and social fabric of those nations and has left their money degraded.

 

12.) Your Social Security is secure. In a few years it will be there for you for sure. It’s common knowledge that Social Security is not safe in an account somewhere, but was deposited directly into the US Treasury General Fund where spending has gone wild. Which would you rather own: $100,000 in future social security payments or physical gold and silver paid for with your Social Security money?

 

13.) Taxes are fixed. They won’t go up any more. We’ve heard that story before and can observe the aftermath: Herculean debt. Congress and the local states and communities cannot seem to control spending so they keep raising taxes and installing new ones. You have no choice but to pay or move out. Look at Europe. How much longer can they remain standing?

 

14.) Congress contains a hard-working group of people who have your welfare at heart. By law, members of congress have to pass a national budget, yet they have not done so in three years. Next, they continue to add taxes to maintain raises and perks for themselves not available to the folks who pay them. They argue and fight over stupid stuff, pass more stupid rules and take more days off than ever. This is not a responsible body of people elected by the taxpayers to do a job. They should get one term only and be obliged to pass the necessary minimum rules or return their salaries.

 

15.) The Federal Reserve is a division of the federal government designed to regulate and control the national economy and prevent recessions and depressions. The Federal Reserve is a private banking cabal that is set-up to enrich private bankers and their colleagues at the expense of the national citizens. Since 1913 they have been robbing the electorate by printing phony fiat money and bond paper and lying about it.

 

16.) Central banker bonds, bills and paper are super safe and very liquid for entry/exit. Some of it is for now, but this will change with the amount of confidence buyers have in the paper. As risk increases, investors demand higher yields. If the seller cannot pay the interest or the confidence is lost, the paper is just junk. That’s why some high yield paper is called junk…because it’s junky.

 

 

These ideas are common in the news and on the street.  If you believe this nonsense, you will believe anything. Wake up!

 

Stuff That Works

Understand your market and educate yourself to do a few things right. You do not need 50 stocks and 40 others to make money. Some of the best of the best do only one thing.  Look where you would be right now if you had piled into physical gold and silver in the year 2000.

 

While all eyes are on Europe’s destruction, the USA’s test comes November 6th. It might even arrive sooner if the broader stock markets slide out of control during September 23-25.

Meanwhile, we suggest you gravitate toward physical gold and silver and only the best-of-the-best of related stocks supporting that view.  In our work, we are busy looking for options and selling ideas for the broader stock markets heading toward the dustbin of destruction. Last week we recommended two new ones in Trader Tracks Newsletter. We see more coming in this new seasonal beginning.

The Greater Depression Repression II is swiftly taking hold now and layoffs will be legendary. Housing has an additional -20% drop from the current USA national average.  Joblessness goes to 30%-35% and food stamps reach over 50 million to 60 million. We will get a 2013-2014 World War in the Middle East and when Obama is reelected, inflation goes to hyperinflation. Not happy stuff but it’s not the end of the world either.

Somebody please tell us when the global bond markets crash for good and we’ll tell you when this can all get better and we can start all over again, maybe with a partially backed fiat gold currency.

 

Roger Wiegand is the writer and editor of Trader Tracks Newsletter for gold, silver and energy traders. Roger provides recommendations for short and long term traditional stock shares, futures and commodities trading with specifics for individual trades. Stay tuned for more of Traderrog’s insights and predictions via his exciting new daily audio subscription.  Coming soon! Details at www.wavelengthpublishing.com

Roger also is a regular contributor to The Korelin Economics Report (www.kereport.com) the highest rated Internet radio program listened to throughout the world. It specializes in politics and hard assets. He is also a regular guest on the Weekend Edition of The Korelin Economics Report, which airs on radio stations across the U.S. on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

Discussion
50 Comments
    Sep 25, 2012 25:43 AM

    Amen

    Not to mention the possibility that in desperation the Government may in some way essentially confiscate all IRSAs and 401Ks. Argentina did that about a decade ago, after all, so there is an example out their!

      Sep 25, 2012 25:03 AM

      May confiscate? MAY? You KNOW they will cfs2000.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:31 AM

    July Housing Prices Rise – The housing market has recovered! Pop the cork! Oh wait – high unemployment, stagnating wages, artificially low mortgage rates, and tons of shadow inventory not being reported. Bernanke thinks another housing bubble will get us out of this mess. Am I dreaming?

    Sep 25, 2012 25:51 AM

    It is a fact that the Case-Shiller Index rose in July and has, in fact risen for the last six months. So housing IS recovering. Of course it has not yet recovered; it still has a long way to go.
    They are not “artificially” low interest rates. This is deliberate government policy.
    It is clear that rates will remain low for several years.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:08 AM

    I agree with most of this RW article. BUT, his real estate advice is not particularly 100% accurate. For example, investment RE, when chosen wisely, and paid for in cash are a great substitute for incoming producing – paper trash assets like bonds (corp/muni). If properly researched and chosen, GREAT deals can be had – BUT, make sure you have an excellent skill in picking responsible and trustworthy tenants – that is key – or you are in trouble…especially in this economy – or lact thereof.
    Marc

    Sep 25, 2012 25:26 AM

    I agree with you Marc and I think Big Al does too. (I also do not see a major problem with moderate leveraging in real estate)

    I just came across a good utube video with Ray Dalio:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFaRazMpxcM&feature=plcp

      Sep 25, 2012 25:05 AM

      Why is it that now mainsteam guys are getting on the bandwagon for GOLD, etc…..Heck, a MSM bankster just said GOLD is the place to be. Deutsche (?). Now, MS fund managers, Bill GROSS of PIMCO, – BANKSTER OF AMERICA is forecasting $5,000 gold…what is up? I will tell ya, the global elite players are getting in position with PM’s and they are SLOWLY letting the cat out of the bag….so they can readily say…HEY – I TOLD YOU SO!! We were trying to warn you guys! YEAH, RIGHT!
      Marc

        Sep 25, 2012 25:55 PM

        Marc
        I always get a little nervous when the MSM begin talking positive about gold and even bring on bond analysts who make astounding price projects on the shiny gold metal. It usually means they (MSM and Wall Street) are trying to sucker in some players to squeeze the short side of things. I doubt we get any kind of a big drop but a nice pull back to $1725 would sure have me looking to add to the long side of things. Need another week or so of downward action, then let her rip. Pay attention to the Indian Rupee, as this is a bell weather for where gold prices could be heading. Any strengthening in the rupee and you can bet you are going to see gold make another run.

          Sep 25, 2012 25:28 PM

          On the daily charts, it looks like the PMs want to roll-over for awhile. Also, the conventional markets look ready to move down too. The weekly charts are okay yet. I took some profits on mining stocks today and hope for a further breakdown to purchase them again at more favorable prices. It looks like the dollar is ready to move up and may be a damper on the PMs for awhile.

          Sep 25, 2012 25:02 PM

          Mark, I might add that there’s an increase in the commercials net short positions on the PMs as far as the COTs stats are concerned. Most of the time, I put a lot of credence in the commercial positions.

          Sep 25, 2012 25:15 PM

          Mark A,,
          My friend..GREAT to hear from you…hoping all is well! Yes, you have been VERY consistent about wanting a pull-back before “letting her rip”. Duly noted and…
          All the best,
          Marc

          Sep 25, 2012 25:37 PM

          I get nervous too, Mark. But, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

          Big Al

      Sep 25, 2012 25:15 AM

      Keiser does post some good stuff.

      Sep 25, 2012 25:16 PM

      The key here, in my mind cfs, is moderate leveraging.

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:33 AM

    cfs2000 – you are right in one thing – it is a deliberate government policy to keep interest rates artificially low. Negative real interest rates are all that matters. The fed is creating price distortions. The fed is the only buyer of this junk. PS The FED IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. IT IS A PRIVATE BANK

      Sep 25, 2012 25:17 PM

      Of course, the Greater, of course!

      Think about one thing. If interest rates were a reflection of market forces the governments could not pay their debt service.

      Scary, huh!

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:42 AM

    The indians used to hunt buffalo by initiating a stampede and controlling the mindless herd to a cliff. Your topic reminded me of this unique method. Utilizing the strength of a noble animal to exploit the animals weakness. It is if the bankers via Madison Avenue have the average investor stampeding toward a cliff called poverty.

    http://treaty6education.lskysd.ca/sites/treaty6education.lskysd.ca/files/100_0155.JPG

      Sep 25, 2012 25:18 PM

      Amen, Mr. O’Neil

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:25 AM

    I understand rental property in a depression can be a good thing. My grandparents raised 4 kids thru univercity dureing the depression renting rooms in their home. Grandfather was cripled. So it can work well.
    I have read articles about renting during a hyperinflation that show people will only spend 2% of their net on rent as 98% will go towards food and essentials. No body I know that rents can see that happening, nor could they see a 25% drop.
    I think a person would have to be very carefull renting, and expierience would help.

      Sep 25, 2012 25:19 PM

      Yep, benb! And, the key word is EXPERIENCE.

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:53 AM

    Traderrog replies: I had an earlier career as a real estate developer and built over 2000 condos throughout the midwest. I called the top in June, 2005 when the lumber futures crashed. Yes a cheap house paid for with cash is fine…you have to live somewhere. I think the bottom is near, and as longer term renter I am shopping for a new single family home. Not ready yet as I expect more blood in the streets on real estate. If you are a land lord be careful. Many renters will be unable to pay. Some will ruin a property. If you are buying to play games with inflation-hyperinflation I would not do it. Think small with no debts or a small rental. Have a plan B with another place to go in case things get nasty where you live now. Real estate is not the place to make money now unless you are super rich and can buy stuff for all cash expecting no turn-around for a decade. It is a place to have money as a hard asset. Farm land is better for crop leases-people gotta eat. KEEP IN MIND BROKE COMMUNITIES CAN RAISE YOUR REAL ESTATE TAXES AT WILL AND THEY WILL DO IT AS THEY NEED THE MONEY. TODAY A FULL PACKAGE OF UTILITLIES BILLS AND RE TAXES IN A TOTAL OFTEN EXCEEDS A HOUSE PAYMENT. I’m not saying dont be a buyer; I’m saying you better be very careful. If you buy something now there MAY not be ANY EXIT STRATEGY FOR YEARS. Traderrog

      Sep 25, 2012 25:27 AM

      My major issue with real estate is Roger;s above point in all CAPS.
      Do ‘owners’ truly own real estate?
      It could be argued what we call an ‘owner in title’ is simply the person responsible to pay the property taxes.
      Many of my clents now have annual real estate tax payments that exceed what their mortgage paymentd once were.
      It can be said QE 3 In perpetuity bails out municipalities as support to housing prices supports the property tax base.
      Where I live as with many places the majority of real estate tax goes to a failing public school system. Levies tend to be voted down in general elections….however they inevitably pass in the off year or special elections as the voting booth tens to be only a few feet away from the teacher’s lounge.
      ‘Owners’ of real property simply are glorified renters from the government.

        Sep 25, 2012 25:07 AM

        yup, they’ll crank up the property tax and you’ll basically be renting from the gov’t at that point even though you “own” the place. coming soon everywhere eventually.
        I’d rather see duties and tariffs on chinese goods to raise cash.

        Sep 25, 2012 25:23 PM

        Unfortunately Dennis M that is getting to be more and more the case.

        I; however, still feel very comfortable with our virtually paid for home.

        Under today’s laws, it would be pretty hard for me to lose it.

        Big Al

          Sep 25, 2012 25:20 PM

          Al please tell me how to virtually pay for a home!
          I have always had to actually pay for a roof to be suspended over my head.
          I would like to virtually pay for a dream home. On the other hand I think that is what has arrived us to our economic point of no return. Leverage works both ways and always will!

            Sep 26, 2012 26:21 PM

            Virtually pay for a home. I think that the closest you can get is to not really pay for it by getting a 5% down deal and then payments for a while and then bankruptcy.

            Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that in the case of bankruptcy your home is not lost.

            Am I way off base?

            By the way, I would not even consider doing that.

            Big Al

      Sep 25, 2012 25:20 PM

      And, also consider the concept of TIME FRAME.

      Rog, our concept of this is very different from that of younger folks.

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:00 AM

    TR,
    Very, very good points and duly noted…I just closed on that investment condo…for 50C on the dollar….excellent tenant in place already…cash on cash 5.3% return. BUT, yes, if things get REAL ugly those points are very well noted TR. However, if things get really bad…that money I had at Merrill lynch – Bankster of America, would be history too!! Yes, I will take my chances with this investment all things considered.
    Thanks,
    Marc

      Sep 25, 2012 25:03 AM

      Good point Marc.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:36 AM

    Once again gold sabotage today. On no news the gold price gets hit hard and fast.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:39 AM

    The London market closes and here comes The Attack of The Shorts.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:42 AM

    Sorry James, I did not mean to duplicate your post.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:05 AM

    kwn. Turk had an article about this fight between longs and shorts.
    Gold is going up. Any doubters could watch or rewatch Maloneys calculations.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:10 AM

    cfs2000 – you are so right!

    Sep 25, 2012 25:16 AM

    And this is why Romney hasn’t a hope in heck of being the next President. People remember how dumb and embarrassing most of Dubya’s comments were and Romney seems to be from the same ilk.
    Reading this, its almost unbelievable he really thinks like this. An 8 year old child would know better.

    “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous.” he said.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/clearly-mitt-romney-needs-quick-lesson-air-pressure-160448246.html

      Sep 25, 2012 25:32 AM

      Marge;
      Romney was ON THE GROUND when he made the comment about window opening.
      There are many small jets (and for that matter even the Boeing 747) that have windows that DO INDEED OPEN.
      So this is a liberal media made-up gaff.

      And before you try to argue about opening windows – in the 747 they are in the cockpit.
      Sure would be stupid to let the general public to have access to opening windows with the decompression possibility.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:18 AM

    IMHO, it would SEEM that the shorts’ raids are becoming less and less effective……no?

    Sep 25, 2012 25:31 AM

    BTW,
    great, great anecdote about President Truman!! Where have those times gone…..I will tell ya where……greed, corruption, malfeasance, superficiality, subjugation, idolatry, self-absorbance, SHALL I GO ON! http://www.jsmineset.com/

    Sep 25, 2012 25:00 AM

    Orex, one of Big Al’s clients made a non-brokered approx $2 million private placement yesterday, giving them financing fr drilling ( in Sweden and Mexico) and the market liked the fact to approx a 10% gain today.

      Sep 25, 2012 25:29 AM

      I have a little Orex ( Another Gary Cope deal) I met Gary last February at the CRIC with Al. I was impressed with him. A straight shooter with knowledge and wherewithall….plus I very much like setting up operations in two very mining friendly areas…Sweden, like most Nordics have there crap together. 🙂
      Marc

        Sep 25, 2012 25:26 PM

        As I announced earlier, I purchased Orex about two weeks ago.

        Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:50 PM

    I’m just catching up on European news…..
    Remember that none of the austerity measures promised by Greece, Portugal or Spain has yet been enacted!
    In light of that fact, consider the riots that have been happening, first Greece, then in Portugal last week and now in Spain:
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100020330/be-very-careful-beloved-spain/
    (Evans-Pritchard is one of the best journalists in England)
    It seems to me there is a very high probability within the next week or two, as concern is focused again on Europe, we could indeed see Gold take off upwards again.
    (Notwithstanding my estimate of a few days ago of the next up-leg for gold still being over a month away.)
    Nigel Farage (UKIP MEP) is on kingworldnews talking about the European Union.

      Sep 25, 2012 25:32 PM

      I have to agree with you again, cfs.

      Big Al

    Sep 25, 2012 25:48 PM

    in case you didn’t see this…..beware of gold bars
    Tungsten-Filled 10 Oz Gold Bar Found In The Middle Of Manhattan’s Jewelry District
    By Tyler Durden
    Created 09/18/2012 – 20:42
    It is one thing for tungsten-filled gold bars to appear in the UK [1], or in Germany [2]: after all out of sight, and across the Atlantic, certainly must mean out of mind, and out of the safe. However, when a 10 ounce 999.9 gold bar bearing the stamp of the reputable Swiss Produits Artistiques Métaux Précieux (PAMP [3], with owner MTP) and a serial number (serial #038892 [4], likely rehypothecated in at least 10 gold ETFs across the world but that’s a different story), mysteriously emerges in the heart of the world’s jewerly district located on 47th street in Manhattan, things get real quick. Moments ago, Myfoxny [5]reported [5]that a 10-ounce gold bar costing nearly $18,000 turned out to be a counterfeit. The discovery was made by the dealer Ibrahim Fadl, who bought the PAMP bar in question from a merchant who has sold him real gold before. “But he heard counterfeit gold bars were going around, so he drilled into several of his gold bars worth $100,000 and saw gray tungsten — not gold. The bar was filled with tungsten, which weighs nearly the same as gold but costs just over a dollar an ounce.”

      Sep 26, 2012 26:15 PM

      Wow!

      That is very interesting Butler Investor!

      Be careful,

      Big Al

        Sep 26, 2012 26:50 PM

        There is a factory in china that will make you all the tungsten bars, any size you want. Even put whatever date on “replica” coins you want. Read it the other day.
        Also, wonder about the drilling to find out if is tungsten, there is a tool that does the job without drilling. couple hundred american to purchase them. read that too in an article discussing tungsten bars.

    Sep 25, 2012 25:11 PM

    I have bought heavy into gold a long time ago. If I die it will be safe with my family. I love this world and the people in it. I thank God for my time on this beautiful world and I hope to give something back before I go. I’m sad and scared for the young people who are just beginning to understand the level of depraved indifference our government has shown to the world about the rule of law and human rights. It is like they have forgotten what America is and has been all about. They are pathetic representatives of ours. They just voted to allow preemptive war against Iran,a war crime! The Congress and Senate are both a lost cause. We will be lucky to survive our own foolish government.

      Sep 26, 2012 26:15 AM

      IMHO,
      Excellent, heart-felt comments Robert.
      All the best,
      Marc

      Sep 26, 2012 26:18 PM

      Yes, Robert, I have to agree!

      Very sad, but very true.

      Big Al

    Sep 26, 2012 26:07 AM

    robert;
    Unfortunately, that is what happens when a union muslim-raised rabble-rouser is elected for President.
    I, personally, am not a christian, but I try to live my life by the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself. I have traveled extensively in the MiddleEast and unfortunately Islam is the only religion I have come across wherein it is perfectly acceptable for the ends to justify the means. i.e. It is perfectly acceptable to lie cheat and steal for the benefit of Allah. I know I’ve strayed a bit off your subject. Part of the problem with Congress-critters is that they are mostly lawyers; the only profession in which one is trained in work for a guilty defendant by lying and pretending he is innocent even if you know he is guilty.
    I guess I must have missed any war vote in Congress. Do you have a House or Senate Bill number. I sure would like to read it.