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September 21, 2013

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There seems to be logical reasons for political actions, which we don’t happen to agree with. As far as financial logic that is accurate, sorry it just is not there!

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  • Segment 5Rick Ackerman and Doc provide us with week ending market commentary.
  • Segment 6 : Quantitative easing? Common what does a rational individual think, asks Bob Moriarty of 321Gold.
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323 Comments
    Sep 21, 2013 21:12 AM

    Louis has a point. We are indeed getting conflicting messages from the Fed and Fed presidents regarding tapering now or in the future. It is no accident. These guys don’t go on the record without vetting their crib notes and messages first. It is not like there are a thousand of them with something to say that can potentially move markets.

    Indeed, it is a very small group with decison making capabilities and/or a vote on Fed direction who are doing the talking. So we need to pay attention to what they are saying but as James mentioned yesterday…..even more focus should be on what they are doing.

    My sense is that the Fed does indeed want to reduce their MBS and bond buying programs. They cannot do it quite yet but at the same time they need to keep the “Taper” agenda on the table so markets do not become complacent or start to run ahead of themselves too quickly. Bubbles are not the desired outcome of stimulus.

    The threat of stimulus reductions must not therefore be withdrawn when it is a foregone conclusion that such an event is both necessary and inevitable. I laugh whenever I hear analysts saying the Fed can NEVER reduce QE. Of course they can reduce! They MUST reduce at some point. What planet do some of these guys live on that they really believe stimulus will run until eternity?

    Stupidist prediction ever! Some smart guys keep saying it when they should know better.

    So what we are getting here is confidence boosting remarks from the Fed Chair while in the background a chorus of Presidents are working to reduce expectations and cool the ardour and the mood.

    It is a push-me and pull-me kind of setup but I think it works well. Ben says “Come here”! and the rest of the team says “Go away”! Lets just keep our perspective and try to understand what the point of forward guidance really is though. QE and bond buying will continue until there is a good opportunity to escape without causing too much damage. The message is clear. Be prepared for both. That will remain intact until the golden moment arrives when intervention can be relaxed.

    I think we will need to see further progress on the deficit first though, tax reform second and lastly, if all goes well, rising employment numbers should result as confidence slowly returns. There has been progress. It is just interminably slow but even slow growth is better than no-growth so lets not get our panties in a knot over every small setback.

    If the deficit can be contained then some of the fears surrounding interest rates rising will dissipate. History has shown already that efforts on that front yeild good results and that even debts can be contained over time. So I am less fearful than others that presume we will imminently crash and burn.

    This is a work in progress. We will give it time and try to have some faith.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:20 AM

      Birdman, I agree with your comments that the statements by Bernanke and then the contradictory ones by some of the Fed governors are to keep the markets on edge. It appears to be orchestrated in my view. The problem comes in when enough traders figure that out although I don’t know if they care—-even if they all figure it out they probably know that most traders will trade based on the comments the way the manipulation of thought demands so they continue to trade based on that model. I also agree with the comment that the Fed will try to taper. They have made progress with the deficit this year. If a monkey wrench is not thrown in process, they will internally continue to make progress. If we have a downturn in the halting “recovery” we currently have, then they have big problems. It’s interesting that if you look at the debt clock, the debt/GDP ratio is starting to slowly decline. Of course one could say that is only due to the recent change in the methodology in the calculation of GDP.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:39 AM

        Thanks for your confirmation Richard. I appreciate you are also getting the same vibe and that it is not something that should really distract us too much. The guys who wail “oh why are those Fed guys confusing us so much?” don’t appreciate that this is all a necessary part of the information dissemination process. The Fed really has no alternative but to telegraph a mixed message in fact. We can go forward therefore much as before with the QE supports intact but also knowing that the day will come that we change course in line with policy as the hidden message becomes a fact. That is not today though and for our purposes gold should benefit in the meantime. It does indeed appear to be on the rise again in line with a growing belief that inflation is going to be part of the agenda in the future (whether we like it or not). Tell the truth I was not really sure until now that the trajectory on metlas is now up. I no longer foresee a decline back to the lows.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:04 AM

          Inflation just around the corner BM.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

            GOLD BOYS GOLD

            Sep 22, 2013 22:13 PM

            gold go up boys GOLD UP BOYS

            Sep 22, 2013 22:35 PM

            YOUTUBE ( VATICAN POPE BENEDICT XVI ILLUMINATI 666 CONNECTION luke UP !!!!!!!

          Sep 21, 2013 21:33 PM

          How about yesterday, Bird?

            Sep 21, 2013 21:31 PM

            Yesterday Al? You asking about gold’s decline?

            Sep 21, 2013 21:43 PM

            Sorry Bird, I don’t understand.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:15 PM

            Hunh? You asked me “How about yesterday, Bird”? Were you meaning the attack in Kenya? It is horrible what happened Al. I just heard 40 were killed and its not over yet. I wonder if any of this has to do with the fact so many US Embassies were closed in these parts and all the Mid East during August. They must have got wind something really bad was coming.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:04 PM

            the power off humanity boys BUY GOLD !

            Sep 22, 2013 22:20 PM

            GOLD BOYS WE COM FROM 250 $ TO 450 $ AND GO TO 1930 $ AND NOW WE 1330 $ BUY ALL YO CAN BUY !!!!!!!!!

          CFS
          Sep 21, 2013 21:36 PM

          I want to go on record that I do not envisage any tapering before the collapse of the world monetary collapse. If anything I would expect an increasing of money supply next year.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:49 PM

            Me too Professor!

          Sep 22, 2013 22:17 PM

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        Sep 22, 2013 22:54 PM

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        Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

        TOW atomic bombs were dropped on JAPAN . WHY ?????????????????????????????????????? !

      Sep 21, 2013 21:38 AM

      JIM SINCLAiR’S ( THE GOLD ENDEX GAME )

      BJ
      Sep 21, 2013 21:26 AM

      Conflicting reports by design to confuse the public and tilt the precious metals markets. I think the Fed and its shills in the mainstream (corporate) media have perfected the art of misdirection, if not flat out lying.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:51 AM

        I prefer to call it “confusion” on its part!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:55 AM

      Of course it is a work in progress, Bird.

      It is keeping the wagon rolling, but it really doesn’t seem to have any long term potential.

      By the way, the kids were in Rwanda; Kenya; and, Tanzania. Very educational trip for them.

      Man, were they ever tired when we picked them up after their 30 hour travel!

        Sep 21, 2013 21:47 AM

        No kidding! Did they meet with Jim Sinclair? Maybe not so surprising but Rwanda is one place I will never go. Very superstitious actually. Angry spirits floating about by the million is not my idea of a place to go for a good rest.

        On the point of withdrawal from QE I am perhaps on the optimistic side. You know, once it has become a fact that if the Fed in conjunction with other major Central Banks can keep rates low that there is some hope of stability again. We will look back on these days fondly perhaps for all the volatility and profit opportunities that were engendered.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:38 PM

          No, we don’t know Jim

            Sep 21, 2013 21:33 PM

            Just as well. He might be crazy. I am amazed people listen to him.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:11 PM

            Nobody believed him when he said gold would go to $1650 back when it was close to $250. His new target is something like $3300. That’s a no-brainer in my view, and hardly a risky call to make.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:20 PM

            No Matthew. He has a target of 50,000 dollars. Did you not read that missive he sent out a month or two back? I picked it up over at Silver Doctors. Could not stop laughing. If gold goes that high it just means the US economy and dollar are doomed but I am not THAT negative on the future. Gold will be lucky to hit 2500 bucks which is my own long term topside call. Not that I know either of course….nobody knows.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:17 PM

            You’re right, but I thought he said that $50k is possible while $3k+ is his target. Anyway, with the current state of things (unfunded liabilities, derivatives, public and private debt levels), $50K is only unlikely because a new monetary system will probably be put in place first. Gold already went up more than 50 fold in 40 years; if left to market forces alone, the next 50 fold increase could take 5 to 10 years.

            The parents and grandparents of nearly everyone alive today would probably be very disappointed in the gullibility of their descendants. Fifty or more years ago, I believe that the bond market would have collapsed immediately if the Fed had become by far the biggest buyer using money created out of thin air. The only thing more insane than the Fed’s policies is the great majority people who foolishly think that what the Fed does is serious and sound.
            Okay, now you can laugh at me. Thank you for waiting.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:26 PM

            I enjoyed the great privilege to hear Jim Sinclair speak this summer.
            I can assure you that he is one of the only people worth listening to on this planet.
            The man was on the short list for Secretary Treasurer of the US govt and was appointed by Volcker to liquidate the Hunt’s silver position and $1 B fed loan.
            $50k is his way of stating there is no limit to gold if ‘they’ can not facilitate an orderly transition from the present financial disaster they have and are creating.
            I was not aware of your apparent ignorance.BM.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:14 PM

            Not laughing at all. Good points. What interested me most what what you said about our parents and grandparents. The thing is that they did not value gold and silver as we do today. For them the coinage was actually in circulation as money and was taken for granted. Because it was normal it wasn’t that special. Nobody knew the future of course. When I was a kid in the very early Sixties I recall my grandparents had a desk drawer with a large hoard of old coins. Some gold, mostly silver. I mean one of those big old oak desks where you could store jars and boxes in the bottom drawers. Some people would kill to get their hands on that stuff today but back then it was just money even though the collection was mostly older non-circulating stuff. Point is, us kids played with it like it was monopoly coins. Nobody had it locked up in a vault or hidden in drain pipes or anything crazy like that. It was just coins that we were not allowed to use to buy candy! We should ask Al if he has similar recollections. Most houses had silver dollars and half pieces sitting in a jar on the counter after they stopped minting the stuff for circulation. It took a long while before anyone recognized times had changed and it was valuable beyond face value.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:21 PM

            Actually Bird,

            I probably have as much as a few thousand dollars from a collection just like you described.

            Another point, my grandparents and parents viewed precious as much, much more than simply money.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:17 PM

            The Hunt brothers? That is so 1970’s. You do realize the agenda has changed since then. Being short listed is not a credential by the way.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:08 PM

            In any era, I think it’s true that the masses aren’t thinking much about monetary theory. What I should have said is that a far greater percentage, especially among “financial types,” were aware of the fact that gold was simply money. There was no controversy and fighting about the matter. It was also standard practice to include gold in most portfolios (though obviously not bullion in the U.S.). Far more Republicans (and even Democrats for that matter), understood very well what Ron Paul has been trying to tell people. Isn’t it curious that the Libertarian Party was formed just months after that Keynesian socialist Nixon ended the dollar’s final link to gold? Real conservatives finally realized that they no longer had a home in the Republican Party. Interventionism was also not something most Republicans were for 50+ years ago.
            Sound (honest) money reinforces a civil and sound society. Debase the currency and you debase the people. Debase the people through propaganda, first, and debasing the money is easy. This might be why it wasn’t necessary for one to hide their gold coins underneath the petunias –most people were more honorable. Gresham’s law: Bad money drives out good.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law

    Sep 21, 2013 21:19 AM

    Given that junior miners tend to move more than one for one with the gold price, sometimes go to zero, and face company-specific risks, are they really that much safer or easier to make money from than leveraged speculation on gold? Or is it just that the implicit leverage investors junior miners use is usually lower than speculators on gold futures contracts?

      Sep 21, 2013 21:50 AM

      xlurkr,

      In my opinion the junior miners simply offer greater leverage. Safer? Of course not!

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:33 AM

    Got to love Bob Moriarty’s sense of humor.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:50 AM

      I think that everyone pretty much does. Even Barbara!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:24 PM

      I personally would love to see that happen!

      Thanks cfs

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:10 AM

    I posted this link a few days ago, but in light of the “end of Empire” discussions it is worth re-visiting.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nX7J8-VTG08

    We have to realize the dollar dominance is ending. We have to understand its value relative to other currencies will inexorably trend downwards for decades to come.
    The problem for Americans, whose assets are denominated in US dollars is how to store there wealth in something other than declining dollars, because the Fed has guaranteed that not only will interest rates not keep up with world inflation, but there is a terrible value-decline risk built-in as the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:49 AM

      Yes the value-decline risk as you define it is terrible!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:15 AM

    Former fighter pilot Bob Moriarty you’re an absolute star. Silver stakes through vampires, taking evasive action with the Titanic economy heading straight for its iceberg, I also love how you position Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen in descending order of ghastliness. And if Bernanke’s killed off the dollar what in God’s name has Yellen got left to work with?

    Thanks your gallows humour really cheered me up. ….I mean it! A

      Sep 21, 2013 21:48 AM

      Actually, call me crazy, but his humor (unfortunately probably truthful) also cheers me up!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:55 PM

      Andrew, I`ll have to 2nd your opinion on the star among stars with Bob Moriarty and the Casey Research team of Louis James and Olivier Garrett and of course not to leave out Jeff Deist`s comments on the alternate media that the American people are turning to for an insight into the creature of mystery Babylonia Wall Street bankers mind set and their minions of mindless government bureaucrats. Bob`s comment concerning helicopter Ben slaying the US Dollar with the silver stake told volumes about what`s happening currently. … On a comment article of last week with regard to killing vampire`s, was Ron Paul`s brief encounter with an arch villain of the personage of the count Charlie Rose of Bilderberger fame. Seeing Ron Paul as Doctor Van Helsing battling the forces of mind-set of the super rich made me think again how myth seems to mirror reality. …. Super great cast on Big Al really made my day, Thank You very much for a page turner, for sure.

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:29 AM

    End of Empire won’t happen overnight. It probably won’t happen in my lifetime (short of WWIII), but it is now inevitable:
    The politicians have killed the Empire by building the debt so huge that it cannot be paid back.
    I am not smart enough to foretell how fast the collapse will come or how violent will be the death-throws. If precedence is any indication the country is likely to go to war, which scares me. Historically revolution is also possible; and certainly by indication of the preparations being made by the government in terms of rounds of hollow-tipped ammunition and holding camps this is what the government anticipates. The collapse will not likely be a gentle decline.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:47 AM

      So the collapse of the Roman Empire took over 100 years! Right!

        CFS
        Sep 21, 2013 21:06 AM
        Sep 21, 2013 21:24 AM

        Al, thats actualy an interesting thought. How long did it take? Depends on the start of the collapse, Julius took control to end the corruption if I recall, that means the corruption (which brings down an empire) started before that. Lets ay a 100 years bc just for arguments sake, the final comes when the Ottomans take constantinopal, about 1490? aprox. That would mean it took about 1500 years to finish the Roman empire.

          CFS
          Sep 21, 2013 21:30 PM

          It also took around a year to travel from one end of the roman empire to the other, today one travel around the world in days.
          The Roman empire was also shrinking long before its fall.

          The British empire reached its peak under Victoria, middle to latter half of nineteenth century and was clearly dying by world war I, so major decline was maybe over a half century?

            Sep 21, 2013 21:54 PM

            You make a point about “travel time” in relation to size. a good point.
            In my assumption the decline of Rome begins before Julius. Thats why he became emporer, to combat the corruption.
            If that is the case there was plenty of expansion in its size even during the decline.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:38 PM

          Thanks benb. 1500 might bea

          Sep 21, 2013 21:39 PM

          1500 might be a bit long!

        Sep 21, 2013 21:27 PM

        A little further research on my part indicates that the Roman Empire lasted a bit over 500 years.

        The 100 years I mentioned above was a typo on my part. I was referring to the 1500 years mentioned by benb and not 100 years.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:58 AM

          Hi Al,
          the start of Rome happens with Romulus and Remas in about 750 b.c. and ends according to google about 1450 a.d.
          I thought it was about 1492 same as columbus and north america.

          Anyway, Rome last over 2000 years by that figureing.
          I take the onset of corruption as the beginning of the end.
          Corruption being insidious takes awhile to bring anything down.
          Some people would call that debatable of course.

          For me, I see the beginning of the federal reserve as the beginning of corruption in the united states thus the beginning of the end.

          Roman Kingdom
          753–509 BC
          Roman Republic
          509–27 BC
          Roman Empire
          27 BC – AD 1453

            Sep 22, 2013 22:25 PM

            Thanks benb

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:37 AM

    So, I went to read some other news and all I find is further government incompetence:

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/prison-inmates-collecting-millions-in-unemployment-cash/

    I’m beginning to think the revolution can’t happen soon enough.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:46 AM

      It is scary when a bright person like yourself says “I’m beginning to think the revolution can’t happen soon enough”!

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:53 AM

    So then I look up the Sinclair article mentioned above:

    http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/09/20/the-gold-index-game/

    and find suggestions of more insider corruption on the Toronto Exchange

    cfs
    Sep 21, 2013 21:06 AM

    Then, to cheer me up, I listened to some propaganda.
    http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-500-max-keiser-137/

    Now I’m really depressed!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:45 AM

      You must control your emotions Professor. “Don’t let the bastards get you down”!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:20 AM

    Malevolent Motivation

    It is epidemic that when attempting to assess the actions of others we tend to assign the actor an altruistic motivation. Maybe when we assess the actions of others we should begin with the understanding that they may not be committed to the Hippocratic Oath. Sometimes the actions we look at are intentionally meant to do harm. When studying human action we must realize that human nature possesses both the capacity for good and evil. The bias of assuming that public officials are attempting to improve society is flawed. One of histories’ largest themes is people in power intentionally inflicting harm on populations they control. When we see officials jawboning this or that policy we must not assume the official is trying to improve the economy. We may be better served to understand the words may very well be a purposeful attempt to inflict the most harm to as many people as possible.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:28 AM

      Dennis, must assume that your comments are true if the majority of our leaders are psychopaths.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:42 AM

        Let’s hope and pray that the majority are not, Reverend!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:49 PM

      Just read it Dennis. I agree. 100%.
      I think that is a big reason we the people need to understand psychopaths how to recognise,how to identify which type, how to deal with etc.. I mentioned about psychopathy here some time back exactly due to what your saying.

      Oh ya, pray you never run into a psychopathic judge, they exist too.
      Especially when the U.S. prison system is “for profit” and the U.S. government has agreed to keeping them filled to a specific capacity.
      In that case, a psychopathic judge would be a hero to the sharholders.
      Gotta love this system.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:34 PM

        I pray the government Paddy Wagons do not go out to round up the thinkers.
        When control is the objective thought is the enemy.
        Burn the library….tear down the radio tower….restrict the internet.
        I wish upon no one tomorrow’s equivalent of yesterday’s lions.
        But it is better to face the lion than to timidly concede your soul.
        “Tu ne cede malis”

          Sep 22, 2013 22:59 PM

          Yes it certainly is, Dennis M!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:25 AM

    cfs – In a new book by Damian McBride – former spin doctor to PM Brown, he feared with the imminent collapse of banks five years back that, in Brown’s own words: ‘It’ll be anarchy. That’s what could happen tomorrow. I’m serious, I’m serious….’ Apparently Brown came very close to announcing curfews with troops on the streets.

    Not for nothing has the U.S. Homeland Security amassed 1800 APCs and one and a half billion dum-dum bullets.

    With WW3 put on hold (was that the distraction Obama wanted?) maybe our respective empires will meet their end through civic upheaval.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:41 AM

      It could very well “be anarchy” as you commented Reverend.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:49 AM

      Andrew, when this system ceases to work a new one will just be implimented.
      Its not as big a deal as some suggest. Its happened a few times in recent history, 1914,1939 (I think) and 1971. Life will go on and this time lets hope we have better info and understanding to work with.

      A bit of an analogy, end of world, or end of age? big differance. M 28.20 if I remember right.
      We will survive, informed people will be prepared and those in la la land wont be as is always the case.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:21 AM

      Andrew, with civil upheaval perhaps, but that`s only the beginning of the end, the snake will twist and turn before its end comes. With an emphasis on the up coming planned drills(November 13-14, 2013 and beyond) coming to drill into peoples heads of a kind of shock troop kind of therapy, about why they need the NSA for their security here at home and abroad, and stop the talk concerning people trying and crying about the need to defund the NSA. Then Obama`s talk of bringing back Syrian `rebels` for R & R here in the states is frightful. Then there`s the master-terrorist leader from Saudi Arabia (that worked with what happened then at 9/11 attack at the WTC who was ben-laden`s right hand man) help addressing the DOD, FBI, military leaders on would be prospects of terrorist targets inside the USA, that`s right from the pages of an Edgar Allen Poe novel. — I think the government is advance planning of a future (food)riot situation and its remedy, when the crash does come. These drills that are planned between Oct.-Nov. here in the states are to condition people for that shock and awe of future events. About 150 corporations are signing up & gearing up for the exposure, through-out the USA, its said that power grids will be down possibly for months in parts of the US. …… Better be safe and have generators, food, & water, cash, gold, silver for barter for future needs when these drills start to begin. ….. Perhaps be in another country like CFS goes for, at least for a small time(vacation), have you`re pastport ready at any given time.

        Sep 22, 2013 22:17 PM

        Planned drills? Gotta look into that one.

          Sep 23, 2013 23:50 AM

          Planned drills – http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/09/07/when-the-lights-go-out-on-november-13-2013/ this will take effect in the USA, Canada, Mexico, are preparing for an emergency drill in November that will simulate physical attack and cyber attacks that could down large sections of the power grid. This was reported in the New York Times that thousands of utility workers, business executives, National Guard officers, F.B.I. anti-terrorism experts, and officials from government agencies will take part in this event. – Bankster Benefits to a Grid Shutdown on page 4,… internet censorship, silence truth movement, … McCain at one time wanted offensive bloggers fined $300,000. Senator Jay Rockefellar stated that he wished that the internet had never been invented. Both men may soon get their way. ….

            Sep 23, 2013 23:01 PM

            I guess I would want Mr. McCain to define the term “offensive blogger”.

          Sep 23, 2013 23:00 AM

          Massive Government Drill Planned to Test Possibility of U.S. Electric Grid Going Down http://offgridsurvival.com/governmentpreparednessdrill-powergridshutdown/ between November 13-14, 2013, the U.S., Canada, and Mexico – have a nice two days off, hopefully not too soon, hate to see you guys not making any money or losing and sleep over this night of the long knives ….

            Sep 23, 2013 23:02 PM

            If you are referring to us guys, trust me the money is not even close to great!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:30 AM

    Robert Moriarty gets it bigtime. Thanks Bob for telling it like it is, like noone else.

    We’ve got the October 1st Federal Gov’t shutdown looming over the Continuing Resolution tied with the defunding of Obamacare and after that the Debt Ceiling increase issue. The destruction of America is right on schedule.

    Won’t be long until Russia, China, India, Brazil and other countries no longer use the U.S. Dollar to buy oil on a large scale. The end of the Petro-Dollar is coming soon as it will smash down the value of the dollar.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:40 AM

      Bob is, as I said, opinionated and very bright.

      Thanks Fred

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:40 AM

    We had discussions on Muslims in this forum before:

    http://rt.com/news/nairobi-mall-attack-fatalities-182/

    I still think it is not an acceptable religion, in it’s teachings.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:20 AM

      Please CFS. This is NOT a Muslim issue. Terrorism is about power and control. The statements are political. It is a mistake to brand Muslims in general simply because those who commit the crimes are from an Islamist sect. Would we have done the same for Christians who commit heious acts? Remember that guy who blew up a Federal building years ago. Timothy. Should we accuse all Chsitians because he was white, extreme right, Christian and anti-government? A lunatic is a lunatic any way you cut it. Religion has no place in their hearts or minds but only serves as an excuse and rallying call under a banner for political purposes but mostly they are delusional.

        CFS
        Sep 21, 2013 21:30 AM

        Bird, did you actually read what the gunman said?

          Sep 21, 2013 21:00 AM

          Did the gunman say something or was it a remark from ALL Muslims? Please start using your head for a change would you.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:15 AM

            BM Stop quibbling and being so typically rude. Al-Shabaab claim to speak for all Muslims, even as they instructed their fellow brothers and sisters to leave the mall, as only non-Muslims would be targeted. ALL Muslims need to be outraged in deploring such actions if they are to make clear their distinction.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:16 AM

            RT reported a funny thing the other day, moslem women from Morroco went to Syria to take part in a “sexual jihad”. Reminded me of the nazis giving out medals for the number of children a woman had.

            CFS
            Sep 21, 2013 21:41 PM

            No. He asked all muslims to leave as quickly as possible, so he could kill the infidels. This was a targeted attack specifically at non-muslims. That is what I don’t like about the religion. Further, I don’t like it when such killings are never openly condemned by muslim clerics around the world. They NEVER are. It took days before 911 was criticized by the Islamic establishment in the UK, which is where I was at the time. (And then it was most reluctantly condemned, only after multiple comments from the media about their support. There were scenes of Muslims cheering the collapse shown on live BBC TV on the day, which were not repeated.)

            Sep 21, 2013 21:50 PM

            Andrew, I call it like I see it. Some of the viewpoints expressed here on this site are pretty provocative. Do not tell me how I should or should not respond to them. On the issue of Al Shebab, they do not speak for all muslims in the same way you do not speak for me when you make anti-government remarks. Are we children now that we allow others to speak our minds without consultation? I also find your remarks tiresome if you care to know.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:27 PM

            On that point I agree, CFS. There is a distinct lack of leadership in the Muslim Cleric world. They sure don’t seem to express much tolerance which is a shame. Even more odd that tolerance is a central theme in Christianity and we do know that both the old and new Testaments are a part of Islamic tradition and required reading. How they skipped over those pages I don’t know. Even Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam so his words must carry some meaning there.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:46 AM

            Bird try ‘winning an opponent with courtesy and not invective’ – Erasmus.

            I for one would be more impressed if you did so.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:51 AM

            Agree with your comments about Muslims BM, although I would supplant your…. ‘don’t seem to express much tolerance as A SHAME’ with AN OUTRAGE.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:32 AM

            “Bird try ‘winning an opponent with courtesy and not invective’ – Erasmus.”

            You may have forgotten, Reverend, that it was you who left the remark about my posts being “tiresome” because you did not approve of my differing viewpoint. I however did not forget that comment and yesterday served it back to you as a reminder.

            Perhaps you will take your own advice instead?

            Sep 22, 2013 22:26 AM

            Bird, you seem to have an answer for everything, yet fail to take any notice of the numerous times you’ve been offensive to an assortment of others on this site.

            I put this down to an inability to take yourself less seriously than you do.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:00 AM

            You see yourself the politeness police? Shal I come here and beat around the bush to express my point of view to curry your favour or shall I just say exactly what I think and cut to the chase?

            Maybe I should chime in with some of the ignorant comments I read periodically and we can hold hands and all agree like nice people? Frick Andrew, what is wrong with you? These are emotional topics and we all get our say. It is not a teaparty with the queen. In the meantime maybe cut the judgement calls and hark back to some of the things you have also written.

            Oh look! It is a glass house after all.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:01 PM

            Personally I have to agree with you.

            People respond differently. Called free will!

            Sep 22, 2013 22:44 PM

            Something simply tells me you can’t laugh at yourself BM, and that you’ll try beating down an opponent with any stick that comes to hand.

            Wanted to take you seriously but you’re just so right over everything you discredit yourself.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:44 PM

            If I put a very fine point on that sharp stick I would say you are one very biggoted, extreme right wing, racist, anti-government, Fed bashing, Obama-hating, gold loving, money lusting loser. But I won’t say that today. You are a Reverend (of course). The worst and most despicable intolerant Christian I have ever had the honour to know. God loves you though.

            But I don’t……code of Hamurabbi. Now piss off.

            Sep 23, 2013 23:30 AM

            And you make out you’re not rude BM JOKE!!! –

            Have blown your cover once and for all, so I can rest my case.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:12 PM

        I have to agree, Bird

          Sep 21, 2013 21:54 PM

          Appreciate that Al.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:49 AM

    A previous post re-posted because today’s back and forth made me think of it.
    It should be noted that I realize I would have been better off owning more financials than metals the last 30 plus months. It should also be noted it is difficult to swim and remain dry at the same time!

    On March 24, 2012 at 9:05 am,
    Dennis M. O’Neil says:

    The banking system is now flailing in currency swaps, derivatives and outright MF Global John Corleone Corzine fraud. “Leave the gun take the cannoli.”
    Below is a post I made on the yahoo HL board on January 15, 2011… it still resonates today…..it was well received and I re-post it here for your thoughtful consideration.

    FYI….Proud peon…… was a phrase I used to embrace the derogatory ridicule directed at advocates of sound money.

    The irony of this CNBC headline BANKS ENTERING “GOLDEN AGE” was not missed by
    this proud peon.
    Link http://www.cnbc.com/id/41060318
    When Andrew Jackson dealt with the banks he called them what they were “…… a den of vipers and thieves!” Ironically the President who adorns the USD $20 note hated paper currency. He realized that after a credit expansion the bad debt would have to be written off quickly. If not it would linger and fester. Failure to purge bad paper would cause the downturn to be long lasting. The media hyping the purchase of bank stocks in light of the unmentionables they continue to carry on their books is obscene.
    Frederic Bastiat put it well when he wrote “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

    A system such as Bastiat describes continues until it can not continue any longer. A stranded swimmer will wisely swim until the swimmer can swim no longer.
    Unless something solid is found the swimmer will swim and tread until the swimmers last gasp. The paper economy and laws which glorify it are a swimmer stranded at sea. In a desperate search for something solid with none to find. It is now and will be the peons who are glad they stand firmly on solid ground.
    The irony of using in a headline what is sound money to glorify the paper system which bastardizes sound money is not lost here.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:21 AM

      Why do you always quote yourself.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:26 AM

        To the extent you are displeased with me…….I am sorry birdman!
        When I was listening to segment #4 I thought about the above missive.
        Rather than rewrite something I thought I once before expressed….. I cut and pasted my previous thoughts.
        I thought the ideas expressed…quotations of others were on topic particularly with segment #4.
        Birdman…….I re-posted the comment for what it was/is worth.

    cfs
    Sep 21, 2013 21:57 AM

    After listening to the first few minutes of this infomercial, I’m getting more upset.
    http://moneymorning.com/ext/obamacare/video.php?promo=PMMRP909&src=taboola-taxes

    cfs
    Sep 21, 2013 21:08 AM

    The financialsense.com Rickards interview today is good.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:19 AM

      Thx cfs. Always enjoy J Rickards.
      Same ol stuff but he did mention Taper, he said anyone believing that taper would happen was in “group think”.
      I had to laff and he is totaly right. Seems we have some “herd people” here, myself included I thought we were going to get a small taper. But looks like we gotta give ourselves a good “head shake”,
      Herd think is only going to get people in trouble, Mr Rickards should be heeded and many of us need to take note and get out of it. However that is done.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:37 AM

    WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT LAST YEAR?

    I have to Say Paul Van Eeden made a nice call on the price of gold just a week after QE3 was announced.

    On September 22, 2012 at 5:50 am,
    Dennis M. O’Neil says:
    Paul Van Eeden’s optimism is refreshing but could it be too optimistic.
    It reminds me of warm and fuzzy theories taught in academia that tend to self-destruct outside the classroom.
    Having all the elements for success does not necessarily bring you to success if there is no motivation.
    It is much more difficult for a country to transition from consumption to production than is the reverse.
    It is similar to transitioning from being 18 years old to being 45 years old it necessarily requires 27 years to happen.
    It is easier to be a net importer with a world reserve currency than it is to be a net exporter with a currency pegged to a world reserve currency.
    It would be easier to retool an existing factory to produce goods for domestic consumption instead exports than it would to retool a strip mall to produce exports.
    It is less of a task to teach a factory worker to manufacture something else than it would be to school a former hair dresser how to efficiently operate factory equipment.
    We may have all the elements needed but it will take time to become motivated to utilize the assets with which we are blessed.
    Although the US has certain desirable attributes we allow them to be suppressed by unions, environmental NIMBYISM, regulatory purgatory, and OSHA fear. It is as if we like to shoot ourselves in the foot. Not to mention a monetary system that thrives on unproductively raking in off the entire system for doing nothing but hindering it.
    We have to become hungry before we cast off the inefficient niceties we have so burdened upon our economic engine.
    I would be optimistic about the US but first we have to retool, rethink and combat enemies both foreign and domestic.

    On September 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm,
    Dennis M. O’Neil says:

    Ken,
    That was my feeling listening to him.
    I agree that is better to have available resources than it is to be barren of resources,
    It is one thing to have resources and it another thing to develop a resource optimally.
    Simply having resources does not allow them to be deployed effectively as if turning a switch on and off.
    Instead we have unions bargaining to minimize the productivity of the membership.
    Instead we have welfare programs subsidizing sloth.
    We see at every page turn regulations discouraging employers to employ.
    ANWAR oil field remains untapped in favor of an occasional caribou.
    Keystone pipeline has given way to anti-fracking fanatics.
    You can have all the resources at the ready and find a country borrowing money from Asia to pay able bodies to sit on a couch.
    You can have all the resources under foot and be in fear of an illusory carbon footprint.
    Energy at your fingertips but we borrow money to import energy and burn food we could otherwise consume or export.
    Our high finance system has declared dubious debt as being good collateral.
    It has to be said that many interventionists Americans do not wish America to be highly productive.
    There exists some pristine utopia the thinkers desire to depopulate and deindustrialize to achieve.
    Unfortunately we have proceeded firmly in the direction of deindustrialization.
    Now all the utopia thinkers need to do is get cracking on is depopulation.
    You see if these green collectivists get what they seek then PVE’s labor force will not have to be paid to sit on the couch all day. They will no longer exist.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:29 PM

      Paul is a great guy, but I never agreed with his optimism re: the US economy.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:10 PM

        He called correctly the general direction of the precious metals 1 year ago on your show.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:56 PM

          Yes, he did.

          As I saidI respect him. I simply don’t agre with all of his calls.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:41 AM

    I can’t believe the waste of time spend on what the Fed won’t or won’t do. Let’s face it, it doesn’t matter if the Fed tapers or not. The dollar is in long-term free-fall.
    The dollar has lost 96% of its value since the Fed’s creation in 1913. The last 4% will be BRUTAL.

    Pray for lower gold prices.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:35 PM

      Mr Chew,

      I have to agree with you!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:57 PM

      Thank God the math does not work out that way, John. The dollar is infinately divisible.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:15 PM

        Right. Assuming that 4% is accurate, the dollar would have to fall 75% from here in order to take it to 1% of its original value.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:32 PM

          I am OK with that as long as the number in my wallet keeps pace with the decline (and also assuming we don’t go all Zimbabwe on the currency which wwould be a real pain the ass).

    cfs
    Sep 21, 2013 21:09 AM

    Conventional economic supply-demand analysis is not working properly to determine the price of gold in the market place, it appears, not only because of bank intervention, but also because of international collusion for price suppression.
    If Rickards is right, the reason China and Russia have not dumped their dollars and already crashed the dollar is collusion.
    I had assumed that China, with its 3 trillion or so in reserves was being careful in just buying lots of resources and companies all over the world and thus had this motivation for not crashing yet the value of the dollars they hold. But Rickards is implying a quid pro quo, in which China agreed not to crash the $US and is in turn allowed to get gold cheaply. I knew some of the purchases of gold had been made directly country to country but had assumed this was part of a balance of trade settlement via the BIS, not part of some collusive agreement. This requires deeper thought to fully evaluate the implications on timing.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:28 AM

      Crazy theory. Is that what Rickerts is saying? That the Chinese cut a deal based on getting gold cheap. Is he insane or something? Gold is NOT that important to anyone never mind the Chinese. They have much bigger fish to fry when it comes to deal making. Like the disputed islands off Japan, access to Africa’s resource wealth, freedom to buy up US assets instead of Treasuries, deals with Iran on oil supply ertcetera. Nobody in his right mind should believe they would make concessions based on gold of all damn things. The market is too small and does not play into what their real needs are.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:41 AM

        I would suggest that gold has a very important part to play in the final end game. At some point all this global currency debasement is going to end with a collapse in fiat money. Gold will be a critical component in backing currencies and stopping the collapse. I expect there are countries like China, Russia, Germany and others that understand what is coming, and then there are others like the US that have chosen to stick their head in the sand and assume that historic levels of currency debasements will have no unintended consequences.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:33 AM

          I think gold is going to play an important role in the future and has importance today that is not really recognised in the west.

          Gary. “head in the sand” I think that is intentional thinking caused by those in control, the education and info is and has been controled for some time.
          If those in control wanted western people to buy gold they would just say “buy gold” and people would, so, to me it is obvious their intention is to move gold east. For whatever reason.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:29 PM

            Well, purchasing gold is certainly encouraged in that part of the world!

          Sep 21, 2013 21:07 AM

          Gary. What do you think the Chinese value most? Is it gold, clean water, oil, uranium, copper, or perhaps maybe rice and wheat? Please don’t join the clowns making out like gold is all that important in the big scheme of things. The Chinese are not a pack of damned fools you know. Their eye is on critical resources. Food, energy and water lead the list. Gold is far down on the group of serious interests.

            Sep 21, 2013 21:12 AM

            Bird, you did make a point, Rice is the most important commodity there is. Not mentioned here as I recall. Maybe because its a PM site.
            I would suggest that ALL resources are of interest to the chinese, and gold is of as much interest to them as their currency and financial system is. So yes, water is maybe #2 after air, but gold is important too

            Sep 21, 2013 21:10 PM

            Makes more sense now, Gary. The PBOC has made clear though that their intention is not to exceed 2% of foreign exchange held in the form of gold (if I recall correctly). They also noted that they would not be buyers if their activities in the market were to cause prices to rise which left the suggestion they were not interested in pressuring price in the name of accumulations. It left the impression in my mind that the PBOC were in fact supportive of Western CB’s who might prefer gold did not shine too much at this point in history. Everyone has something to lose if there becomes a widespread public understanding of the devaluative processes underway….including the Chinese.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:41 PM

      Ever thik that collusion is necessary to avoid total chaos. I would bet that it is at this point!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:23 AM

    stocks are just moving down into the normal half cycle low that I said should probably start soon after the FOMC meeting. Gold on the other hand should continue to rally as it is coming out of a daily cycle low. As of today the gold cycle appears to have topped on the first day of the cycle. As far as I can remember that has never happened in history.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:36 AM

      Gary, your saying “gold should continue to rally” and “gold cycle appears to have topped” doesnt that mean gold should come down?

      Where do you think gold is going?

        Sep 21, 2013 21:45 AM

        Typo. it should have said “gold should have continued to rally”

        Even if the daily cycle was destined to top and roll over in a left translated manner it should still rallied for 4-8 days before topping. The fact that this cycle appears to have topped on day one is very suspicious as I don’t think it has ever happened before in history.

        Gold needs to recover next week, but I’m afraid the move back below support at $1350 may have damaged the sector too much to recover.

          CFS
          Sep 21, 2013 21:20 AM

          gary, Yamada has relevant comments on financialsense today. Don’t know if I believe or not.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:31 AM

    Putin on/not on the cover. To me, its just more evidence that the education system is “dumbing” down people. Jim Rickards explained in an interview reently that we now have 2 generations of econimists that dont understand gold.
    Alot of people dont have a clue of so many things, that has been intentional for many years and it has been successful.
    As proof of so many misdirections ask a few people if they own PMs, geez, forget they understand the fed, even so many “informed” people dont understand the fed.
    We also still have many people that believe what their government says.

    The internet is key, truth does spread tho, we have hope, lets hope this “trucker event” happens and people actualy hear about it, very few heard about the bikers.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:17 PM

      I agree about the trucker event as I understandd it!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:32 AM

    If you want to know about market manipulation of gold and silver, watch Ted Butler:

    http://www.sprottmoney.com/news/ask-the-expert-ted-butler-september-2013

    Sep 21, 2013 21:36 AM

    Water Aerobics and Critical Thinking

    In regards to segment #8…..
    The segment made me think of an aerobic exercise class in the shallow end of a pool.
    At first you may think….. pools are for swimming….. take the senior citizens to the gym. But the pool provides a medium for there to be movement without all the impact on the joints. The muscles can tone and the joints are not as much jarred. Like a racehorse on the mend exercises in a pool to keep full weight of the legs.
    Reading the NYT is like a water aerobics class for the critical thinker.
    You can read the flawed arguments and propaganda without facing off with the useful idiot student of the collective.
    You will know what the obnoxious liberal at the local pub will be opining about tonight by reading the rag this morning. It is a less intelligent regimen as compared to watching General Hospital in the late 80’s to know what Luke and Laura where up to so that you could increase the chance of hooking up at the bar.
    What better exercise of your critical thinking skills could there be than to read Paul Krugman. My wife wonders sometimes why it is that I on frequent occasion have a verbal outburst of disgust when reading an editorial. If is healthy to hone your critical thinking skills on the likes of “All the news that is fit to print”. Now I know why my father yelled at Dan Rather every night after dinner.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:22 PM

      Trust me, Dennis M, I yell at Paul Krugman!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:05 AM

    AL

    Is it possible to Bill from Rye Patch on again to give us an update on what their future plans are.
    The company seems to be stalled out at the moment and not doing much

      Sep 21, 2013 21:24 PM

      Look for something this werk.

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:24 AM

    Does anyone know why the VIX is so low? It seems to me with all the uncertainty that it should have gone up.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:41 AM

      The VIX looks like a big warning to me. The Dow’s performance over the last two years appears to have lulled everyone into a “complacency trance.” The VIX is no good for timing, but it does appear to indicate that caution is warranted.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:50 PM

        I agree, Matthew!
        I’ve come to utilize the three forms of the Volatility Index – VIX, VXV, and VXN to help evaluate because I’ve found the VIX to be more…ohhhhh….shall we say “massaged”? This September sure has a VERY FAMILIAR feel to it. So far it is a mirror reaction of last year’s FOMC.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:34 AM

    I agree with Richard’s characterization of what is happening regarding inflation/deflation. I also agree with his suspicions relating to the Baltic dry index. I think conventional stocks will probably be under pressure from here in real terms, but in dollar terms, I am not so sure. I am much more sure that good miners are more appealing than either gold or or the Dow at this time.
    I agree with Rick’s numbers; $1271 and $1280 are the ones to watch.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:31 PM

      Hope you are correct about the “miners”!

      Sep 21, 2013 21:38 AM

      Hi Andrew, you might be interested in a Jim Rickards interview at financialsense.
      Jim also did not say the fed would taper.
      But he did say somthing funny, anyone thinking they would taper has a bad case of “groupthink” or “herd” mentality.
      LOL, that was me. I thought a small taper was coming so they could tout it as proof the economy was getting better.
      Anyway, I guess we have some “herdpeople” around. Just funny as heck as so many here consider themselves contrarian.
      Guess we gotta think differant somehow.

    BJ
    Sep 21, 2013 21:03 AM

    Al, please accept my sincere condolences.
    Anyone defending the NYT or WSJ can’t be feeling all that well. Hope you’re feeling better; best wishes for a speedy recovery.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:36 PM

      I am still in intensive care watching the Huskies with my friend Mr Guinness!

    Sep 21, 2013 21:31 AM

    Haven’t seen much about platinum lately;

    platinum/gold ratio at 1.08 trending sideways for a couple months; above the up-sloping 50wma and below 200wma

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$PLAT:$GOLD&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p78170140729

    Sep 21, 2013 21:44 PM

    Jim Dines
    Sep 21 @ 9:00 a.m.
    (9:06 to 9:39)
    http://www.cknw.com/audio-vault/

    JD mentioned 3D Systems Corp
    nyse: DDD $53.49

    Sep 21, 2013 21:53 PM

    Fantastic interview with Jim Rickards. Financial wars, currency wars, gold as insurance, world currency, inflation/deflation. http://www.financialsensenewshour.com/broadcast/fsn2013-0921-3.mp3

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:56 PM

    He (Dines) was on somewhere (I forget where) and mentioned several stocks.
    DDD and SSYS were two of them, but he also referenced a couple of cheaper ones.
    I was in Spain at the time so it must have about 5 weeks ago. I’ve misplaced the notes I took. One firm was Dutch, if I remember correctly. There was a conference in Silicon Valley on 3D printing this weekend, and, of course, I’m in Indiana at the moment, but will travel back to CA next weekend.

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:05 PM

    Here is the reference for the 3D Expo, which was in San Jose, CA
    http://www.mediabistro.com/inside3dprinting/
    That should provide some leads for further info.

    There are a couple of free e-mail industry letters I can dig up the sign-up websites for if anyone is interested.

    I agree with Jim Dines that this will change manufacturing for expensive low-volume situations.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:08 PM

    CFS, probably heard him on kwn as he is a regular there.

      CFS
      Sep 21, 2013 21:27 PM

      Bobby, I’ve heard him on KWN, but don’t think that was it. I think it was in relation to some investment conference and he was chatting to a reporter that cornered him in the corridor or similar….like Cambone on Kitco. (But it wasn’t her)

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:13 PM

    I know Elon Musk is investigating 3D printing. (CEO of Tesla, Founder Spacex, Billionaire, etc.) I consider he is to tech what Bob Friedland was to mining……you can’t go too far wrong following his interests. I think Musk made his money with PayPal, but sold out to continue other interests.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:16 PM

    Financed a house for my daughter and her family this week, cost over 3500 ounces of silver…..more than twice what it is worth, but I didn’t want my grandchildren living in a car. The house was worth 80k, but certainly not 3500 ounces of silver.

      Sep 21, 2013 21:31 PM

      You sold your stack and bought a house?

        Sep 21, 2013 21:25 PM

        No other choice, I am all in, I don’t have cash.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:55 PM

          Sorry to hear it. I feel certain we are just now embarking on a new wave for the precious metals markets, one that might run for several years. We seem to have reached the point when most of the group from the past, the ealy buyers, have been shaken from their positions. Nothing wrong with a home though.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:53 AM

            Time will tell, I still have a large stack and now also a small income stream….and my grandchildren are not homeless, which is a blessing.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

            Absolutely nothing wrong with a home!

          Sep 22, 2013 22:47 PM

          Good for you, helping your kids!

          I’ll bet they realize the value of pm’s!

        Sep 22, 2013 22:43 PM

        For his kids, Bird!

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:19 PM

    Musk has also recently said he will have self-driving cars before the end of the decade, and I would not bet against him.
    Being too blind myself to be able to drive, I have self-interest in that project!
    It would change my life.

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2013 21:52 PM
    Sep 21, 2013 21:30 PM

    If anyone missed this current news……JPM says “Buy Gold”.

    From Zerohedge. JPM says to buy gold — Check out the great charts for motivation.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-21/jpmorgan-says-buy-gold

      Sep 21, 2013 21:27 PM

      Great, they must be selling

      CFS
      Sep 21, 2013 21:41 PM

      They (JPM) are just talking their book. JPM is net LONG in gold according to Butler.

        Sep 21, 2013 21:02 PM

        No, I don’t think so, CFS. My belief is they have recognized that the bottom already arrived and metals are now poised for thier next run. Even JPM cannot make a business by giving bad calls and contrary signals at every turn in PM’s price range. If that were so they would indeed be the perfect contrary indicator. I appreciate the cynicism expressed so often when Goldman an JPM makes calls but also understand that what they are now saying has the sound of truth because it fits with the trend change we are now witnessing.

          Sep 21, 2013 21:57 PM

          Check out the Stolper calls on Zerohedge!

            Sep 22, 2013 22:59 AM

            Not sure what Stolper is. Did you look at the massive divergence between the Fed balance sheet and gold in those charts though? One of them has to move to resolve with the other. Either gold rises or to meet the trend or the Fed stops expanding. Looks to me like a lot of obvious upside in precious metals.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:52 AM

            Stolper’s a GS forex strategist whose calls are about 90% wrong…

            (ie to help GS’s prop traders dump losing positions on clients)

            Sep 22, 2013 22:41 PM

            I looked and could not find the information you were referring too though. I searched the Zerohedge site. Found nothing. Maybe you can help?

          Sep 22, 2013 22:11 PM

          Bird,

          Are you referring to the trend change in western society. That chnge is much more important to me!

        Sep 22, 2013 22:45 PM

        If they are long and they are talking their book then does it not make sense they mean what they say when they say it is time to buy gold? Why are you people always so critical but never think through the process with any sort of logic? Please explain why JPM is long gold but should be NOT taken seriously when they say to buy gold. You need to stop watching TV and reading KWN I think.

          CFS
          Sep 22, 2013 22:44 PM

          JPM has been proven previously on many occasions to talk their book.

          Their prognostications may or may not have validity……i.e they have proven not to be trustworthy. However, they may be giving good advice this time.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:15 PM

    JPM got rid of their short position. Now they are long. They made obscene profits on the way down, now they want to make obscene profits on the way up.

    Tomorrow nights opening will be very interesting. After Fridays crush we could see more selling. The shorts were taken off gaurd on Wednesday and covered, but no one came in to buy. Not since the Sunday night before the Lehman crash have the markets been so on edge.

    Sep 21, 2013 21:50 PM

    In regards the Jeff Deist affinity for “The Grey Old Lady” I give him the following for future use….

    The New York Times AKA Western Pravda

    Sep 21, 2013 21:41 PM

    When you look at the moon you see a reflection of the sun.
    When you look at a central bank note you see a reflection of the value of your talents and/or labor.
    Both are examples of seeing something through an intermediary.
    In the first instance the intermediary is free.
    In the second instance you are a slave.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:01 PM

      Interesting point, Dennis M!

    Sep 22, 2013 22:56 AM

    THERE IS NO EXIT STRATEGY???

    Who are they trying to kid, except themselves when they say, “Just Kidding no tapering”

    Their solution is counterfeit money because there are no buyers for US treasuries.

    These auctions where The Fed buys treasuries are not translucent, we don’t know what is going on, this is a Ponzi scheme.

    They are monetizing the debt.

    The US is totally broke they cannot afford to pay market interest rates.

    Once you are involved in a Ponzi scheme you need ever escalating capital to sustain it.

    The lies about tapering was to contain and shrink the prices of precious metals. DT

      Sep 22, 2013 22:01 AM

      Confucius Say’s, In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of. DT

        Sep 22, 2013 22:32 PM

        That’s good Machine Gun

      CFS
      Sep 22, 2013 22:30 AM

      Amen, DT, I , as Big Al might say, 200% agree with you.

        CFS
        Sep 22, 2013 22:32 AM

        I was agreeing to the THERE IS NO EXIT STRATEGY.

    Sep 22, 2013 22:12 AM

    I just listened to an interview with Jim Rogers. I know, big deal. Well, he now says that gold has not found its bottom and needs to continue lower. He mentioned the 900 level. He now states that he is not a buyer of gold at these levels. He also said that gold is not money. He said it used to be money but not now. When he can bring a lump of gold into a store and buy something then and only then it becomes money again. He also said that gold is not thru with its bull market but it is taking a well deserved rest and a consoladation back to the 900 level would be normal and natural after the long run it has had. I don’t agree with him but Mr Rogers is pretty sharp. Probably means we got some down side left to go with gold.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:28 AM

      Hi Glen, can you provide us with a link, thanks, DT

        Sep 22, 2013 22:35 AM

        Go to the Arabian money website and you can see the video. I believe its that site. A good PM article consolidator website is called The Precious Index. I found the article there but its from the Arabian money website. I actually wrote in and suggested to them that they provide a link to Korelin report and also Smartmoney tracker and they did so so if you go to this site there is plenty of stuff that is right at your fingertips.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:08 AM

          Everyone here should give this website a lookat. The Precious Index | Cataloging Metals, Markets, & More
          thepreciousindex.com/‎

      Sep 22, 2013 22:41 AM

      Yes, he also said he has never sold any gold…..he just won’t buy it now. Rogers is very popular with the gold crowd and those who invest with an eye to the future being very difficult. I cannot think of a better spokesman with credibility to scare the last fish out of the water. Want to bet friends in high places encouraged him to diss gold?

      Sep 22, 2013 22:45 AM

      50 ounces at $900(C) would be super-extra-cool.

      Of course there’s always a glitch; like Martin Armstrong a couple years ago saying that C$ will go one-for-two U$

      -that would mess with my plan

        Sep 22, 2013 22:09 AM

        jim rogers is good frind off soros all banister schum BUY GOLD

          Sep 22, 2013 22:38 AM

          ooops!
          franky, statue?

            Sep 22, 2013 22:15 AM

            yep dont’t tell AL ! erwin ha ha !

            Sep 22, 2013 22:36 AM

            Sneaky Franky! HaHa. You got points for that.

        Sep 22, 2013 22:42 AM

        It sounds like Franky is back. His new name is James? He is working on his english a little which is a good thing. Anyway, Mr Rogers loves gold. And, silver. Don’t let anyone fool you. He just doesn’t want to pay too much for it in these uncertain times. Rogers is a smart cookie. For awhile there he was giving out silver ASE’s to folks that he was interviewing with. They are losers but when the get the chance to feel a silver bullion coin it really does get the point across. The feeling of a gold bullion oz is like no other for example and most people in the world have never seen one or had one in their hand. Gold in the hand will make a believer as no other metal feels that way. I spent the better part of my life not knowing about gold or ever seeing a real gold coin. Gold is timeless and will always have a value assigned to it and be very liquid.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:23 AM

          I don’t mind Franky .. he has wacked sense of humour

          Feel of the real thing does get the point across. I recall the day Myrtle said “feel this” .. I’ve never been the same since.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:51 AM

          There is one metal that feels like gold. Platinum is even denser, 11% denser at 21.45g per cubic centimeter (gold is 19.30).
          Silver, lead, and palladium are very close to one another at 10.49, 11.34, and 12.02 grams per cm3 respectively.
          Osmium is the densest metal (and element) of all at 22.59 g/cm3.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:11 AM

            Platinum? I never had an interest but maybe I should look more seriously. Does it leave teeth marks when you bite it? How can you tell if it is not nickel in disguise? Sorry but I don’t know a damn thing about that metal.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:37 AM

            Platinum is much harder and less malleable than gold. Nickel is way less than half as dense as platinum so it will be awfully light for its size. You won’t be fooled. Tungsten, on the other hand, is nearly exactly as dense as gold. So watch out for platinum coated tungsten!

            Sep 22, 2013 22:54 PM

            Thanks Matthew. I think my issue with Platinum (like a lot of other people) is that it does not look special so we do not know if it is good or bad. Nobody in the coin shops seems to know it either. Too easy to spend the big bucks only to learn you bought something nobody understands.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:40 PM

            Platinum doesn’t act special either. It acts much more like a base metal than a monetary metal. In the crash of 2008, not only did it fall much more than gold, but its bid-ask spread jumped ten fold, widening from $10 to $100, while gold and silver became much more liquid as their spreads narrowed dramatically, and continued to since in silver’s case. On top of that, platinum hasn’t even come close to its old highs of 5 years ago, while gold went on to nearly double its ’08 high and silver far more than doubled its ’08 high. Even lowly copper went on to exceed its ’08 high. When platinum peaked with gold in 2011, it would have needed to rise another 15% just to get back to its ’08 high. In short, it is a very valuable base metal, not a monetary metal.

            CFS
            Sep 22, 2013 22:56 PM

            It is not easy to put on a thick, non-scratchable coat of platinum. Has to be sputtered on because of its high melting point.
            It is much easier to gold-coat.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:22 PM

            Right. I don’t recall ever hearing of anyone being sold fake platinum. Even when tungsten was found in gold, I don’t think the methods included plating. In some cases, gold bars were drilled and tungsten rods were inserted. I assume that gold was then poured over the ends and buffed out to conceal the evidence.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:39 AM

      Gold is no longer currency (medium of exchange), but it still has all of the other important attributes that money must have. (Durable, divisible, portable, fungible, intrinsic value.)

        Sep 22, 2013 22:47 PM

        Agreed!

      Sep 22, 2013 22:08 PM

      🙂 I agree with Rogers but my downside isn’t quite that low. But doesn’t mean it can’t happen, nor does it mean it will.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:36 PM

      We will see!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:00 AM

    Most relevant verbatim from Rogers; Re: Glenn above.

    Rogers: I’m not selling my gold. I’m skeptical, even though I expect gold may go down even more to $1,000 to $900. A 50% correction would be $960 or whatever it is. Now 50% corrections are quite normal in markets. What’s not normal is for something to go up 12 years in a row.

    So, it would be normal if gold did correct 50%. That might go some way towards shaking some of the faithful, some of the mystics. We got to shake out more people. I don’t see any signs that the faithful, they’ve been worried about what’s going on, but I don’t see any signs yet that the faithful are giving up and selling their gold. Not just verbal despair, not just people talking about despair, but people acting. Then gold prices will make a nice, firm bottom.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-rogers-gold-complicated-bottoming-900-1200-2013-7#ixzz2fdLwEpLk

      Sep 22, 2013 22:14 AM

      CFS, these three articles are interesting though the 1st one is the same as the 3rd one, but Rogers can`t see what has driven down gold, well duh, GLD ETF`s, those little paper gold pieces, did it, their invention of another Ponzi scheme in what bankers & hedge funds call real wealth. ….. Its interesting that they call us mystics who love gold, who buy gold, but what did FDR do to grab it in 1933-34, by selling it(buying it for a song @ $20 per oz., then marking up its value of $35 per oz., range) knowing full well that gold, physical gold was king, not paper, not an instrument as an ETF is, today — when since these drops were driven down in dumping paper in (Sunday night) early Monday morning selling of paper in London markets, before people were awake in New York, those poor saps there in America(on the mind of a London banker). They call us the true believers, so they think yet they do have some several hundred tons of the metal in their vaults, so they know where there is wealth its in their personal vaults at home. …. Since there is a supply trouble at the bullion banks vaults, there pretty empty aren’t they, so how long can they short for until their Ponzi scheme is up sh*t creek, they can`t dump paper for more profit until there is more metal in their vaults or its over for their scheme, so they say, lets get some in India, we`ve got our central banker buddies there(India) to grab what they can. ….. Getting back to FDR, where did those 8100 tons or so physical go, back to London of course and beyond, the trickle down theory goes on & on. The banker red ants love to milk the black ants don`t they. [So to be a Royal, encore: `O sole mio ]. …..

    Sep 22, 2013 22:46 AM

    DT,
    Take a chill pill!!!!
    The Fed has an EXIT STRATEGY!!!!!!!
    Do not be a fear monger.
    They have it all mapped out with directional signage and the whole shinola on a shingle shebang!
    Do not be a fear monger DT….I have an early release of the preliminary advanced stage Federal Reserve Exit Plan to be implemented in the event the Sheeple figure out that their stated objectives have always been cover for the fact that are and always have been a corrupt cartel.
    http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Estreen/media/ROBOT_CHICKEN_use_other_door-1.jpg.html
    They know exactly how to get out of this mess.
    It will either look like the EXIT door of an over-crowded nightclub fire or it will be one for the history books called WWIII.
    DB
    Over and out
    BTW- Below is a link to the Pandora Radio channel reference song recently added to Ben Bernanke’s Pandora account…the below linked to song received a thumbs up the channel’s creator.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:46 AM

      Ben Bernanke’s exit strategy Pandora Channel theme song:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUpBSvN1a50
      You know it too!

      Sep 22, 2013 22:45 AM

      DB, if I take one of those little blue chill pills, I might not be able to go out for two days, over and out – DT

        Sep 22, 2013 22:33 PM

        The last pill I consumed was a St. Joseph Baby Aspirin circa 1977.

        Sep 22, 2013 22:57 PM

        Why? You gat red faced!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:11 AM

    The blog on this post is getting as interesting as Kereport!

    Warning, however, information content is low……so speed read.
    It does show how the man in the street feels about the US Gubberment!

    Vive la Revolution.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:40 PM

      I wouldn’t call anyone here “the man in the street” Prosessor!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:27 AM

    A couple of neurons mis-fired in my brain and I had an original (maybe) thought.
    The Fed is currently holding $3.7 trillion in US debt, more or less.

    What happens when/if the Fed thinks the bond market is going to collapse?
    Does the Fed continue to print like crazy and buy bonds to support the bond market…IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE VALUE OF THEIR BALANCE SHEET?

    Is this what is happening now?

    Is the Fed acting in its own interest, rather than in the interest of US citizens?

    Because, surely as the sun rises in the morning, this continuous printing of more and more money has to kill the fiat currency. It always has in history.
    This time will not be different except the reserve currency will drag the whole world into an economic singularity.

    Are the Banksters helping us or just themselves?

    I know what I think! What do you think?

      Sep 22, 2013 22:46 AM

      The story has not changes much CFS…..You reference the 3rd oldest profession….here is how a well recognized Role Model dealt with your dilemma:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbOzfXAJm4I

      Sep 22, 2013 22:06 PM

      Bernanke’s stated losses mark-to-market on bond holdings will be treated as a deferred asset:
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-26/fed-faces-explaining-billion-dollar-losses-in-stress-of-qe3-exit.html

      ie instead of
      DR p&l unrealised losses on bonds CR b/s bond asset
      they do
      DR b/s deferred bond asset CR b/s bond asset
      Justification: they’re holding the bonds to maturity. (A poor excuse; they bid up bond prices, so must have paid more than face value.)

      But anyway, they’re not worried about losses on their bond holdings…

      Sep 22, 2013 22:43 PM

      I think they honestly believe they are preserving contemporary society.

        Sep 22, 2013 22:30 PM

        For sure; that’s their job, ‘independent’ or not & whatever their mandates…

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:35 AM

    I wrote the above (IS THE FED ONLY ACTING IN SELF-INTEREST) paragraph, because the Federal Reserve members individually are not stupid people.
    They have to realize that if you have been doing something for two years and it has in no way worked to produce the stated goals, that it would be stupid to continue.
    Thus, logically, their goals, cannot be as stated.
    Therefore, I question what are THE REAL GOALS OF THE FED?

    ARE THEY SIMPLY TO ENHANCE THE INCOME OF BANKSTERS?

    If not, what possibly could the goal of the Fed be, that would explain the actions?

      Sep 22, 2013 22:45 PM

      Common Professor, keep society going and keep making money!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:36 AM

    Apologies, Big Al, for my posting so much.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:47 PM

      Don’t be silly Professor!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:44 AM

    Richard Russell friday: (in part)
    “But there’s a bigger story than the matter of tapering. The bigger story, that our children will have to deal with, is the significant trend of gold moving from West to East. While the US is whooping it up over its rising stock and bond markets, the Chinese, Asians and Russians are moving to preserve their purchasing power by accumulating gold…

    The Federal Reserve is now holding upwards of $3.7 trillion in bonds and mortgage-backed securities, and there will be more by the end of the year. The question is how the Fed will relieve itself of this gigantic collection of securities.

    Furthermore, the Afghanistan situation will cost the US another trillion dollars by the end of 2014. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the US empire. Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, no nation can be policeman to the world and remain solvent.

    Remember how the US crushed the Soviets in the battle of military spending — the Soviets collapsed when they couldn’t keep up with US spending.

    It seems to me as though China and Russia are now doing the same thing to the US. In our adventure to be policeman to the world, we’re bankrupting ourselves…

    All gold items appear to be building major bases. At some point the West is going to wake up and realize that China, Asia and Russia have almost cornered the gold market. In time, the yuan could be backed by gold and be the new world reserve currency. Huge, mind-bending events loom in the near-distance. Keep your gold. Remember, throughout history gold has gravitated towards the leading and most powerful nations.

    Because most of the markets are being managed or manipulated by the various central banks, I find that it is more honest to follow the markets than to predict them…”

      Sep 22, 2013 22:51 PM

      That is exactly what everyone on our site has been saying for years. Good for all of you!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:56 AM
    Sep 22, 2013 22:53 AM

    I looked at the link cfs.
    It is info that people should know, there are better explanations out there tho.
    But, the more people that spread the info about the fedearal reserve the more that find out about it.

    I keep hopeing that eventualy people will “clue in” and realise the federal reserve has got to go. Geez, hasnt Ron Paul said that? Maybe a few others too?

    Interesting the break down of which banks got the loans, those are the banks that need to be shut down along with the federal reserve.

    Anyone with an account at 1 of those banks should close it.
    Anyway, that list I dont often see.

    Citigroup – $2.513 trillion
    Morgan Stanley – $2.041 trillion
    Merrill Lynch – $1.949 trillion
    Bank of America – $1.344 trillion
    Barclays PLC – $868 billion
    Bear Sterns – $853 billion
    Goldman Sachs – $814 billion
    Royal Bank of Scotland – $541 billion
    JP Morgan Chase – $391 billion
    Deutsche Bank – $354 billion
    UBS – $287 billion
    Credit Suisse – $262 billion
    Lehman Brothers – $183 billion
    Bank of Scotland – $181 billion
    BNP Paribas – $175 billion
    Wells Fargo – $159 billion
    Dexia – $159 billion
    Wachovia – $142 billion
    Dresdner Bank – $135 billion
    Societe Generale – $124 billion
    “All Other Borrowers” – $2.639 trillion

      Sep 22, 2013 22:59 PM

      Thanks benb!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:11 AM

    Sometimes funny things happen!
    I mistyped FDIC and look what I got……
    http://www.ni-u.edu/prospective_students/Explore_NIU_Programs_DDASP.html
    Denial and Deception Advanced Studies Program (DDASP)
    The Denial and Deception (D&D) certificate program is offered in cooperation with the Foreign Denial & Deception Committee (FDDC) of the National Intelligence Council (NIC). The goal of the program is to enhance the U.S. Intelligence Community’s ability to identify and exploit foreign denial and deception activities.

    Students complete four D&D graduate courses; a one-year research project or thesis; an oral defense of the research project; and, an eight-day offsite capstone exercise for certification.
    The US is sponsoring deception and denial programs!

    I wonder if congress-critters get free tuition there.

    The other news that came out of EPA Friday is that they will essentially close all US coal mines.
    If the government can’t tax businesses out of existence, they regulate them away.

    Venez La Revolution….

      Sep 22, 2013 22:03 PM

      That’s just great!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:14 AM

    Obamacare:
    You might be interested in:
    http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/

      Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

      Sorry, but I am not interested. Why did you link this? It has nothing to do with the weekend show.

        CFS
        Sep 22, 2013 22:21 PM

        Birdman, it does give a list of Congress critters’ positions on Obamacare.

        The weekend show is about financial-political issues, is it not?

          Sep 22, 2013 22:33 PM

          Why don’t you make a small effort to explain it to the audience when you post?

            CFS
            Sep 22, 2013 22:51 PM

            Ok.

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:47 AM

    By what constitutional power does the Fed cause US citizens to be liable for these gifts to banks?
    By what constitutional power does the EPA close down businesses that the Devil Incarnate dictatorially chooses to be closed down without congressional law being passed.
    We live under a dictatorial tyranny determined to kill a once great country.

    Wake up folks. It is rapidly becoming too late. I’m only temporarily back in the country to move out more assets.(and that is getting harder) I personally believe it is too late.

    When the economy collapses, history shows society collapses. I don’t want to live under that.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:06 PM

      Yes…you are much safer in Europe. Ha Ha Ha!!!!

        CFS
        Sep 22, 2013 22:14 PM

        Europe is a great place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there.

          Sep 22, 2013 22:25 PM

          europe ise a hell holle !

      Sep 22, 2013 22:04 PM

      Good point!

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:56 AM

    NOTE:
    Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant under the clean air act, which authorizes EPA decisions.
    (end comment.)
    The Environmental Protection Agency’s second stab at a proposal to set the first-ever limits on greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants would make it impossible for companies to build the kind of coal-fired plants that have been the country’s biggest source of electricity for decades.

    Under the proposal, released Friday, any new plant that runs on coal would be permitted to emit only about half as much carbon dioxide as an average coal plant puts into the air today.

    EPA administrator Gina McCarthy tells NPR the steps the EPA is proposing in the rule to address climate change “can actually form the basis for a sound economy, while at the same time we can begin to tackle what is essentially the most significant public health challenge of our time.”
    The gasifier facility, still under construction last year at the energy plant. Under the EPA’s proposed rules, new plants that run on coal would have to find ways to emit less than half the carbon dioxide current coal plants emit.Enlarge image
    The gasifier facility, still under construction last year at the energy plant. Under the EPA’s proposed rules, new plants that run on coal would have to find ways to emit less than half the carbon dioxide current coal plants emit.
    Rogelio V. Solis/AP

    The gasifier facility, still under construction last year at the energy plant. Under the EPA’s proposed rules, new plants that run on coal would have to find ways to emit less than half the carbon dioxide current coal plants emit.
    The EPA proposal aims to help the White House meet its plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions by attacking the largest single source in the United States: Power plants pump out 40 percent of the nation’s greenhouse gases.

    The EPA’s new proposal sets a limit for future power plants of 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide per megawatt hour for large electricity generators that are powered by natural gas. And it sets a slightly higher limit of 1,100 pounds of CO2 per megawatt hour for small natural-gas generators and for coal-fired generators.

    Although the EPA says its rule is legally sound, electric utility companies are already arguing that it goes further than the law allows.

    The only technologies that exist to make coal plants clean enough to meet this proposed standard, industry executives say, are far too expensive and haven’t been proved at a commercial scale. Making coal plants clean enough, they say, would add hundreds of millions of dollars to the already steep price tag of coal plants.
    Expect brown-outs in a few years….

    Sep 22, 2013 22:56 AM

    Jim Sinclair has been saying for several months that TA (Technical anaysis) of any type or form is no longer useful in the precious metal markets because they are fraudulently manipulated everyday. We just had a classic example where Gary stated a new upward cycle just started and the next day Gary said the new cycle was broken. I’m not getting on Gary’s case at all or Doc’s or Rick’s either.

    What is being witnessed everyday in the PM markets and other markets shows the Federal Reserve’s (& other central banks) acts of sheer desperation.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:49 PM

      Maybe desperate and maybe not Fred.

      Remember, the federal reserve is there to take the peoples money, as well as ensure debt slavery. I would say they are doing pretty well at that.
      They also will have influence if/when another system is put in place.

      This is happening to ALL nations within our banking system, including Russia,Bolivia etc,
      lots we dont normaly think about, might be easier to list nations that are not within the sphere of influence of the federal reserve.

      A few people have been saying that TA is “just a decoy?” for awhile due to too much manipulation. The wise move is probobly just stay out of the markets,maybe dont have money or pension etc within the system at all.

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:04 PM

    For GOLDBUGS:

    If you believe that the dollar is going to go down, as I do, then over the long-term gold WILL GO UP.
    Here’s a long term dollar chart……You will be able to deduce that historically gold does go up when the dollar goes down. Kitco has long term gold charts.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:53 PM

      CFS, whats the loss of purchasing power since 1913? 95%?
      Anyone needs more proof is a “dingbat”
      But lets not do anything about the federal reserve whatever we do. lol
      I sometimes think people are so dumb they deserve to be controlled by psychopaths,
      then I remember that just because a person is really stupid doesnt mean they deserve debt slavery or any other kind.
      End the Fed. Vote for Ron. Rah Rah.

        Sep 22, 2013 22:22 PM

        I object to that Benb. The thing is that despite the dollar having lost its original purchasing power we do have a great many more of them in our wallets to spend. Just try living on a 1913 salary if you doubt me. We do not care that the dollar is smaller. We only care that the number of dollars today are more than the number of dollars back then. Look at the price of food, fuel, transport, rent or any number of variables and then calculate that to the present. Our standard of living actually INCREASED in all of those years despite the dollar being in decline. Please explain to me why I should accept a daily income of a few dollars just so that I can say the dollar held all its original purchasing power. The idiocy of the argument is beyond comprehension. We are richer today than ever before. Think it through a little more please.

        If you want to argue this point I will bring facts and data. I am not saying this because it is fiction. I am telling you something that is real. The numbers prove my point. We are healthier, wealthier and have more assets than at any time in our history.

        Show me how a devalued dollar hurt us!

          Sep 22, 2013 22:03 PM

          Ok, you moght have a point Bird.

          And the point gets better the further up the ladder you get to being one of the top 1%.

          Example, Ecuador, world bank gets involved in the 60s
          from 1968-1998 poverty increased from 50% to 70% of the population.
          Just so we understand, the world bank and IMF are equivilent to differant departments of the fed.

          Oh ya, by 2000 50% of their budget went to service their debt.
          Other countries suffering the same fate are many.

          Sure, things are better due to technology and life is better today for alot of poor people than it was for a king centuries ago.

          So? Wouldnt that have been the case without the federal reserve?

          Your argument is fine, as long as you have those dollars in your wallet, put another way, our system needs a heck of alot more of those dollars to keep 50 million people on food stamps.

          Inflation is an insidious tax, not a benifit. But thats just my opinion.

          CFS
          Sep 22, 2013 22:43 PM

          Bird man.
          Devaluing dollar means inflation.
          There are millions of americans who worked hard all their life saving for their golden years.
          Now these unlikely folks are being decimated by the financial repression of low interest rates. They are having to dig much more into their capital than expected. Their living standards are decreasing annually.
          If you think old folks can maintain any reasonable standard of living on social security, you are mistaken.

            CFS
            Sep 22, 2013 22:49 PM

            unlucky not unlikely

          Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

          If you’re in the 1% you are correct. If you are not then you are absolutely incorrect any way that you look at it.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

            The above was meant for Bird Man.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:29 PM

      You know what CFS……your posts are a pointless waste of time because they have no content or context other than what others (not you buddy) write. Maybe I will link from Romper Room and the Friendly Giants castle and add stuff from Disney Land to make it all equally interesting. So sorry to say but your links don’t do anythng for me at all. I see the exciting news all by my little old self.

      Guess what pal….I also have a computer that sees the news sites.

        CFS
        Sep 22, 2013 22:48 PM

        Bird,
        It is a pity you don’t actually study the news on your computer and see how pension funds, city and state governments are going under with the financial repression that is going on.
        Over-taxation, keeping low interest rates artificially, and over-regulation is destroying the country.

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:47 PM

    If you look at this graph of CO2 and Global temperatures, you will see quite clearly the EPA,
    following the behest of a really evil president has NO SCIENTIFIC justification for its edicts.
    I’m sorry if you think I exaggerate in my description of this president, but you need to open your mind. How else can one describe a person, who goes against the rules of the constitution, legislation by congress, and by his actions and lack of action, could hardly find a way of destroying the economics of the USA faster.
    Sorry, Big Al, but I just tell it like I see it, and try to back up with actual facts.
    http://moneytalks.net/images/stories/aaaafeb17/Feb_19/feb_19/Feb19th13/Screen_shot_2013-02-19_at_1.12.18_PM.png

    Sep 22, 2013 22:07 PM

    Below is an example of why Al Gore will not debate Global Warming.
    When you argue things that are in fact lies, then you only wish to say what you say over and over until it is echoed back from the walls.
    Below is a beautiful example of thought conquering a smug elitist, to wit:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFD6U8XYhRI

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:20 PM

    Dennis, I watch both your u-tube videos, but I’m still not a Christian, still not a jew, and still believe Islam is unacceptable for civilized society.
    I found flaws in both the arguments of the protagonist and his opposition in the first youtube.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:39 PM

      CFS,
      Faith requires more than belief!

        Sep 22, 2013 22:53 PM

        Explanation of the above comment:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syr0c5ne9H0#t=11

        Sep 22, 2013 22:04 PM

        Just chirpin in. Dennis, I dont see how the athiest was “destroyed” and I dont understand why the fellow figures creation is such a mystery.
        Scientist can show that even when there is what we would think is absolutly nothing in the universe there is still somthing. Forgive me I forget the name of it.

        I also dont understand why a “faith” is required in any way shape or form to see that creation exists. I am not christian but I seem to have more of this “faith” than they do. Maybe because all required is reason and not faith at all.
        I just think thats funny.

        I still stick with my opinion that it is religions that are totally messed up dicieving etc and not the creator, creation whatever a person wants to call it.

        Again, may I suggest Zeitgeist the movie 2007 u tube. part 1. pretty informitive.

          CFS
          Sep 22, 2013 22:46 PM

          Dark matter is not “visible” and appears only to interact by gravitational force.

          Dark matter, nonetheless appears to compose the majority of the universe.

            Sep 23, 2013 23:36 AM

            H3, Cs137, is flowing into the air & sea in Japan at about 400 tons per day, a little bit of dark matter can wreak your day forever. Pair creation: positive electrons bombarding with negative electrons creates high energy X-rays. Photons passing through this planet can a do react with carbon compounds, though they are but energy with no mass. Mu ions & Pi ions from cosmic rays do effect what happens to the weather patterns here in the earth. Did faith in this mapped out from creation or was a shot in the dark, where did mom & pop H atom come from was it just there, from pure chance ? Albert Einstein was a very religious man, he believed in a personal God, the chance just could make-it in his logic. We don`t live in an eternal universe, because we are born, we live, and we all have to die some day, only God lives in the now, the ever present now. Hebrews 11:1.

            CFS
            Sep 23, 2013 23:47 AM

            Dennis, The God hypothesis is only necessary as an attempt to understand things not explainable by science.
            Just because most religions start with a beginning, and because the extrapolation back in time of the current understanding of the universe also indicates a beginning does not substantiate any religion. Most books of religion contain provable flaws and incorrect statements.

            Sep 23, 2013 23:07 PM

            Okay, CFS, but I have personally experienced the value of faith many, many times in past years.

            And, trust me I did not just start “cramming for my finals”!

        CFS
        Sep 22, 2013 22:42 PM

        I have never seen enough evidence to have belief in certain things.

        So, I guess faith is impossible for me?

          Sep 22, 2013 22:56 PM

          CFS, I dont think “faith” in a creator is required to believe in a creator, or creation. Its reason, look around you, see anything that has not been created? Quite simple, also, thought before action, or spirit before physical, however you want to see it.
          That evidence is as simple as we must think a thing before doing it. There is the “proof”.

          I am not saying that says much about figureing out a “creater” or maybe it does, I dont know, but faith is not required is all Im saying, its reason.

          The religions are messed up completly.

          At least jew,christen and moslem are. Maybe they all are but I dont know enough about the others to even have an opinion.

            Sep 22, 2013 22:00 PM

            I do not know anything about what is not.
            I have trouble believing about what is only because so many people say what is…. is not.
            I am beginning to think the only thing that truly is ,,,,is what mass media says is not.

            Sep 23, 2013 23:58 PM

            For the most part, Dennis M, I would go along with that.

          Sep 23, 2013 23:49 PM

          Think about the concept. It works for me.

    Sep 22, 2013 22:17 PM

    benb,
    I agree with you that organized things tend to muck things up.
    I believe that Jimmy Swaggert ant Tammie Fae Baker and whoever else marketed a prayer line into a cash flow.
    I also believe in the Bible.
    I am also loosing faith in a country where you cannot find my favorite book in a newer hotel room drawer.
    We can find our driving beliefs in many things.
    Faith is much more than belief.

      Sep 22, 2013 22:47 PM

      The gods are all powerful,all knowing,all wise…but somehow just cant handle money.
      Religion takes in billions and always needs a little more. hmmm

        Sep 23, 2013 23:55 PM

        I have wondered about your comment and CFS’s comment for a long time now.

        I don’t condone the lack of taxation.

      Sep 23, 2013 23:49 PM

      So much more, Dennis M!

    Sep 22, 2013 22:38 PM
    Sep 22, 2013 22:12 PM

    have come to accept that I”m spiritual but not religious.
    I just find religion to dangerous of a drug.

    To quote a line from Dune, “I hate to say it, but against my better judgment , I like this duke.” This is how I feel about the new pope.
    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-attacks-global-economics-worshipping-god-money-100212602.html

      Sep 23, 2013 23:51 PM

      I do too, Robski.

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:12 PM

    Dennis,
    The Irish-accented fellow you like to feature on your youtube posts is interest and a good talker.
    However, he sets up strawmen and then knocks them down; a common fallacious debating technique.
    He tells a story about a supposed physicist who believes in energy and consciousness, but, rather pathetically, cannot explain what they are.
    The difference being that with both energy and consciousness you can cause measurements to be made which can determine the amount of energy or the degree of consciousness or even their presence or absence.
    With deity, to the best of my knowledge, no one has devised any method which has allowed any interaction, measurement of, or measurement of presence or absence thereof.
    The mere existence of the universe is not proof of god, since there is no need for that hypothesis, from any logical or scientific point of view.

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:14 PM

    Oops, interesting not interest

    I follow Laplace.

    Sep 22, 2013 22:17 PM

    Quote from the pope from the above link:

    “I find suffering here … It weakens you and robs you of hope,” he said. “Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity.”

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:26 PM

    What is the wealth of the Roman catholic church, and why is it not liable for taxation just like any big corporation?
    Because it “Does charitable things” is the standard answer.
    To which I respond, so does Red Cross international, but its Chairman and board of directors still pay income tax. I have never seen any mention of pope’s taxation.

      Sep 23, 2013 23:33 AM

      Just so you know
      My priest pay taxes on his puny salary
      I’m not sure of the pope
      Try to focus on your local Catholic Churches ad see what they do in regards to charity an for paying taxes
      You’ll be surprised

        Sep 23, 2013 23:06 PM

        I would not be surprised Tony, as I believe my Priest also pays taxes! (In my case if he did not, I would be happy to pay them for him as I know how much money he makes!)

      Sep 23, 2013 23:54 PM

      Well, first of all, the Pope live in Italy.

    Sep 22, 2013 22:27 PM

    The whole UCLA conversation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feqC_GNL2fw

      CFS
      Sep 22, 2013 22:05 PM

      Dennis, I watched the entire UCLA conversation and only one question springs to mind: I wonder how many times he has kissed the Blarney stone.
      Dr Lennox is, of course, a Cambridge man; while I, long ago, taught at Oxford, which perhaps explains our different approaches and beliefs. (I doubt it, though.)
      Thanks for posting the link.

        Sep 23, 2013 23:59 PM

        Oxford too?

    Sep 22, 2013 22:27 PM

    Another from the Laugh Or Cry department:
    (Not that I needed more, but this is proof that the bull market in gold has a very long way to go.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzt3EcIo5tk

      CFS
      Sep 22, 2013 22:10 PM

      Or, it could say something about the american educational system. I would not expect similar results in other countries.

        Sep 23, 2013 23:59 PM

        Nor would I, CFS!

      Sep 23, 2013 23:01 AM

      Just seen this Matthew – Totally Unreal!! A

      Sep 23, 2013 23:58 PM

      You are absolutely correct about the bull market.

      Laugh or cry?

      Both!

    Sep 22, 2013 22:52 PM

    The Eagles in Austria singing about…..I think…a girl…AKA the Debt-non-ceiling:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIBlpVO8f4

    CFS
    Sep 22, 2013 22:14 PM

    meanwhile in Germany, Mom won.

    Sep 23, 2013 23:22 AM

    Mom will be great until German’s demographic time bomb kicks in. Already is with the old age dependency ratio at 31% in 2010, going to 36% by 2020, 41% in 2025, and 48% in 2030.

    AfD party (Alternative for Deutschland) movement catching up fast.

    Sep 23, 2013 23:40 AM

    You know, I am really starting to enjoy reading Martin Armstrong since I discovered his site. Someone here had pointed it out once and tell the truth I had never heard of him before then. He toots his horn a lot but he also says some pretty smart things that I agree with. Today the discussion was on a study published in the Financial Analysts Journal proving gold does not really always rise during periods of inflation. Their conclusion is simply that gold rises because gold rises. Could not have said it better myself since we should all know by now that gold is purely a speculative instrument (as I keep repeating again and again). It is just a trade vehicle and a way to make a buck. You ride it up and short it down then get the hell out fo Dodge. Anyway, here is a link for those who appreciate a guy who can comfortably reason his way out of a topic that seems to confuse the heck out of most of the lovers of metals.

    Martin Armstrong – Gold Does Not Rise During Times of Inflation
    http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/09/23/forbes-reveals-study-that-gold-does-not-rise-during-times-of-inflation/

    Forbes: Gold: Not Much Of A Hedge For Anything, Unless You’re A Centurion
    With quotes extracted from the Financial Analysts Journal:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/08/08/gold-not-much-of-a-hedge-for-anything-unless-youre-a-centurion/

      Sep 24, 2013 24:10 AM

      Actually the diagram Amstrong uses mostly covers a period when gold fixed at $20/oz. Saying in wasn’t a hedge then is a bit like saying cash isn’t a hedge now. Of course it isn’t; 1/1 is always 1….

      Re the Forbes/FAJ study, this is telling:
      “And recent history supports the idea, with gold prices showing a -0.82 correlation with real yields since 1975 (meaning gold prices have tended to go up as real yields fall).”

      (Not sure how they could do a sensible longer study in the UK, given Bretton Woods + gold standard prior to 71… Anyway, if you’re not going to use the yield on the reserve currency, gold’s probably best compared with a composite of various countries’ yields, since the market’s international & often dominated by CBs interested in earning interest on their reserve assets.)

      Strongly positive real interest rates = bankrupt governments (& corporates, heavily dependent on deficit spending for profitability post 2008). So this finding is strongly supportive of higher eventual gold prices (when the negative momentum exhausts itself).

      Sep 24, 2013 24:46 AM

      I don’t know why this subject is so confusing even to people like Armstrong, but there is no doubt that currency debasement EVENTUALLY gets reflected in the gold price. In the ’70s, there was very high price inflation and gold did an extremely good job protecting investors from it. In the 1980s and ’90s, there was “Austrian” inflation and asset inflation, but the price of commodities remained in check –and so did gold.
      It is very simple. Gold is very likely to underperform financial assets as long as there are real gains (not nominal!!!) to be had, such as in the ’80s and ’90s. The economy was expanding on the early effects of money/debt creation, technology, NAFTA, etc. Hunkering down with gold in such an environment comes with opportunity costs. Real interest rates were negative throughout the 1970s and positive throughout the 1980s and ’90s. When credit expansions end (1929, 1966, 1999), gold gets to work accounting for the excesses of the prior boom. In a boom, gold doesn’t fall so much as it underperforms financial assets (stocks, bonds, and even currency notes) as taking on increasing risks gets rewarded during a credit expansion/economic boom. That is, gold tracks real stuff –commodities.
      To sum up, gold does well when real returns are hard to come by and risky to chase. It does not matter if a fiat currency exits, or if gold itself is the money of the realm, it is the king of cash and everyone knows that cash is king in a downturn. Stated another way, gold’s purchasing power will go up in a downturn even if it is fixed at $20 per ounce since it is really the dollar’s value that is “fixed” when a gold standard is in place, not gold’s value.
      Armstrong should be ashamed for posting this idiocy: “Forbes interestingly explained: “The most likely explanation for why gold prices go up is because gold prices are going up.” Really, Martin? “Interestingly?” Is Martin just too eccentric to understand, or is he just another shill? I would have to bet on the latter. I think he knows darn well why gold goes up.
      I wonder if gold investors will be called “lovers of stocks” when we dump most of our gold related assets in a few years.

        Sep 25, 2013 25:54 AM

        So Martin Armstrong is good when he says what you like to hear but he is bad when he writes a different truth that does not resonate with the gold bug community. You will therefore cherry pick from his writings, call him crazy when he is not on your side and hold him up as a hero when he says something that the extreme right thinks is A-OK. One thing I really enjoy is the inconsistency of metal heads. They are the most fickle of friends if you don’t come over to their point of view. They respect no one who is not fully indoctrinated in the club. Martin incidentally is dead on the money here by the way. Gold is NOT a marker we can rely upon to indicate a failure of the dollar nor is it correlated to inflation with any degree of certainty. Pure spec trade. Learn that and you will finally learn now to make money on this commodity.

          Sep 25, 2013 25:35 AM

          And also on other commodities, Bird.

        Sep 25, 2013 25:15 AM

        Are you going to start your crap again? Did I call him crazy? And what is this “extreme right” garbage? Why don’t we just focus on what makes sense and what doesn’t. Is it really “cherry picking” just because I disagree with some of someone’s views? I don’t think so.
        Why is it that if I give my opinion, you call it disrespect?
        You just wrote a whole paragraph made of assertions and based on your own mainstream view of the world, but you did not argue a single point or disprove anything I wrote. Then you relapse into your old ways by saying “…you will finally learn now to make money on this commodity.” I am a speculator all the way and my ability to see these cycles very clearly, while people like you do not, has been very good to me. Logic and analysis are clearly not your forte.
        Armstrong absolutely deserves criticism if he can’t recognize the conditions in which gold does well. There is nothing mysterious about what drives gold. It is pure sophistry that Forbes claims that gold goes up because it goes up. That kind of talk is designed to make the muppets nervous about buying any.

          Sep 25, 2013 25:10 AM

          I wrote a paragraph based on my knowledge of your past writings wherein you express considerable disaproval of all authority fgures, show a disrepect for the President, heartily support Ron Paul, show a desire to return to a gold backed system of money and admit outright you are an Anarchist.

          On that basis I have answered your confused gibberish about why Martin Armstrong, someone you recently defended, is wrong (see your post above). The nice thing about the internet postings is they live forever. We shall visit your past comments one by one if you like and I will prove my point about your extremist leanings quote by quote.

            Sep 25, 2013 25:49 AM

            Do you actually think that I would not defend Armstrong again? I disagree on the above point and am actually disappointed and surprised that he doesn’t get it, but most of what I have read from him has been very worthwhile.
            If you think that what I explained above is gibberish, then that explains why you have been unable to understand what is wrong with your mainstream views. If other regulars here would agree that what I write is gibberish, then the problem could be with me and not you. So far, no one else has said my writing is gibberish even if they don’t like me or what I have to say.
            You are irresponsible with your claims about my posts. You like to infer that I mean such and such from my writings. You have done it before, and I have let it go, and you are doing it now when you claim that I show disrespect for the President. Why don’t you quote me? Use one of those posts that will live forever to show me where I mentioned the President in a disrespectful way.
            For the record, I think it is idiotic that any elected official of any political party should be put on a pedestal.
            If I am “extreme right,” then that makes you extreme wrong.

            Sep 25, 2013 25:25 AM

            Am I mistaken in the following, Matthew?

            1) You are an admitted Anarchist.
            2) You align yourself with Libertarian idealism.
            3) You support the economic principles and premises of Mises.
            4) You seek to abolish the Federal Reserve.
            5) You support a gold backed monetary system.
            6) Ron Paul is a hero to you. He is a man of the people. You condone his message.
            7) You believe strongly in Amendment rights, free speech etcetera.
            8) You support the right to bear arms.
            9) You think the constitution should be enforced by rule and by the people.

            Is this correct, Matthew? I am just curious if you object to any of the above bullet points. I will assume you agree to all those you don’t disavow. Your prior history of commentary though assures me these are more of less right.

            Sep 25, 2013 25:47 AM

            Bird, that is pretty much where I am coming from.

            Sep 25, 2013 25:34 AM

            Basically Matthew, I am calling you on your crap. Come clean about your political agenda that you keep harping about in coded sentences day in and day out. You need to accept responsibility for what you say and write. Other weak minded people might look up to you and when they hear you say it is OK to have certain values then others might follow that lead. If you want to lead the extremist side of society then come on Al’s show and tell everyone who you are so we all know.

            Sep 25, 2013 25:49 AM

            I suppose one could define it as the extremist side of society, but I would prefer to call it the correct side.

            Please remember Bird, we are all entitled to our own opinions!

            Sep 25, 2013 25:22 PM

            Bird, you possess the kind of weak mind that would do very well to look up to me.

            1) Yes. I love how you keep saying “admitted.” To admit something implies wrongdoing – you know, like admitting that you endorse the Fed.

            2) I align myself with no political party and have never voted.

            3) Absolutely. Truth/soundness is easy to endorse.

            4) I don’t “seek” to do anything of the sort, but someone should.

            5) Nope.

            6) RP is a great and honest man. I don’t condone an idiot’s silly misuse of the words “condone” and “admitted” as a childish tactic to discredit an idea or philosophy.

            7) Each and every person everywhere has natural rights that governments everywhere ignore.

            8) Everyone should have the right to own anything they want. Objects don’t commit crimes, people do.

            9) How do you suggest that any nation’s laws should be enforced?

            Crap? Come clean? You are one incredibly sorry individual to suggest that your coercive, violent, statist beliefs are morally, or otherwise, superior to those of a peaceful anarchist. You could have your own action figure, “Indoctrination Man.”

            I see that you could not show that I have ever disrespected the president.
            Me: 1
            You: 0

            I’m calling you on your crap, but, luckily, I don’t think there is a mind weak enough to look up to you. The low road is all yours.

    CFS
    Sep 23, 2013 23:52 AM

    Hi Andrew, I know Frau Merkel is very pragmatic in her policies, but she is as fiscally responsible as she can be. Being from E. Germany she knows ultra socialism does not work.
    So don’t you think of all Europe Germany must have the best chance of surviving the demographic time-bomb, which is going to hit most of the western world, knowing that she will see what disasters befall Japan, where it is already a factor.
    Although I have lived several years in Germany, it has been a long while. I was always impressed by societal cohesion in Germany and the work ethic (especially compared to the UK, which is my baseline by which I judge things in Europe.)

      Sep 23, 2013 23:04 PM

      Guess why I have been driving a BMW of one model or another since about 1991?

    CFS
    Sep 23, 2013 23:02 AM

    As I understand it, the AFD is the equivalent of UKIP for Germany, is that correct?
    I understand, it is more mainsteam, but then, Germany has had to contribute so much financial support for the PIIGS that is not surprising.
    Or is the AFD more left wing?

    Sep 23, 2013 23:24 AM

    Hi CFS. I too think our Ange is great…love her lack of sexiness, and she is very pragmatic! Of course, prior to yesterday, she wanted to get all Germans thinking everything’s great. But Germany’s recovery is fragile. Her China driven boom in machinery is faltering, her energy policy is proving prohibitively expensive, her infrastructure especially her roads apart from the autobahns is mouldering. Then there’s all the question of continuing bail-outs for Greece, etc.

    I hope that Chancellor M doesn’t come unstuck in the way it did for Margaret Thatcher.

    Don’t know too much about AfD. But like our UKIP here it stands to make rapid inroads into mainstream politics. UKIP’s Nigel Farage is refreshingly different if nothing else. Whether or not UKIP or AfD conceal something more sinister remains to be seen. But UKIP is already drawing to itself a good crop of young Asians.