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A 4th of July special – The Constitution and Religion

July 4, 2014

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    Jul 04, 2014 04:02 AM

    Morality has nothing to do with religion.
    Religion is fiction.

    I am an Atheist and have higher morals than a priest sodomizing little boys.

    This is SUPPOSED to be a FINANCIAL FORUM. At least that is what I thought.
    Very disappointed in this drivel.

      Jul 05, 2014 05:28 AM

      Suggest you simply skip over these comments.

      We are not here to offend anyone.

      Best

        Jay
        Jul 05, 2014 05:49 PM

        AL / CORY the following post “pedophile priests….” was not posted by myself “Jay”.. does your system allow multiples of the same user name???

          Jul 06, 2014 06:39 AM

          It should not Jay. I will talk with Sarah.

            Jay
            Jul 06, 2014 06:51 AM

            thanks Al. Sorry to miss you guys in Vancouver this month! (just moved from North Van to Winterpeg to fulfill my undying love of -40 winters and turkey sized mosquitos 😉

      Jay
      Jul 05, 2014 05:25 PM

      Pedophile priests are extreme minority among Catholic priest. Are you going to judge all muslims by a few violent terrorists? Are you saying that you have no sexual hangups or misdeeds of any kind?

      Just take look at English and American history. Morality has A LOT to do with religious sentiment.

      Jul 06, 2014 06:08 PM

      stumped is stumped…….the end of the life cycle, after the tree dies and is cut off, there is left a stump………….

      Jul 06, 2014 06:10 PM

      Religion surely had a lot to do with morality in the past. Many great nations were founded on religion, were they not? In some other cultures, philosophy may have governed moral principles (ancient Greece?) It wold be interesting to know if religion ever played a role in Greek moral philosophy or not.
      Now it’s not so sure. Morality is usurped by politicians and academics. They are the new gods. Or so they think. They think they can control everything we do , say and think and now they are going on to think they can determine the climate. They will be undone eventually but not before they cause us all more pain than ever came from any combination of all religious conflicts put together.

      C
      Jul 07, 2014 07:59 AM

      To purge western societies of their Christian values and principles by implying that they have no public relevance, is to ultimately hand out the control of morality over to the State. In this case, only the State has the monopoly of conscience, and decides on what is right and wrong, the Marxist dream all along. This is why atheist regimes have always been and will always be the most intolerant, dangerous and murderous regimes of all times.

        Jul 07, 2014 07:35 AM

        How could anyone disagree with you on this one, C?

    Jul 04, 2014 04:26 AM

    We will see…LAWLESSNESS …in the last days bible says.

    God created all of us equal. He loves us all the same.
    Not matter how good or bad we are.

    Its not about religion which God despises. Thats a cult.

    ITS ALL ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR LORD GOD AND
    SAVIOR….CHRIST JESUS. We ask for forgiveness he is abundant
    in mercy and forgiveness.

    You don’t ask, you don’t receive forgiveness. To claim to be a Christian
    or anything else but without repentance and a relationship with our Great
    Lord And Only Savior there is no salvation. Believing in what he did at Calvary
    when he shed his blood for all our sins.

    The very reason for the 7 year tribulation is for those left behind to suffer great
    pain because they refuse to ask forgiveness. We can’t be forgiven unless we ask
    and the bible says the majority will still refuse to repent in the tribulation.

    HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD AND REPENT. Thats salvation and inheritance
    of The Kingdom Of God. Where we are royalty in his kingdom, the angels serve us for
    eternity and we share the whole universe with God and everything he owns.

    All your difficulties, hardships, physical disabilities, health tragedies and everything
    else will be remembered no more. We will all have perfect bodies.

    THIS IS THE GOOD NEWS ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE SUFFERING.

    But we need a relationship with The Good Lord. Nothing else.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:49 PM

      The reading in our church this Friday morning in the English Weekday Missal was about tampering with the scales and all the other dishonest practices that are the hallmarks of modern government and life as we know it.

        Jul 04, 2014 04:02 PM

        It is here:
        http://www.universalis.com/G/20140704/mass.htm
        Amos 8:4-6,9-12
        Amos knew a thing or two, didn’t he\?
        “…you who say, ‘When will New Moon be over
        so that we can sell our corn,
        and sabbath, so that we can market our wheat?
        Then by lowering the bushel, raising the shekel,
        by swindling and tampering with the scales,
        we can buy up the poor for money,
        and the needy for a pair of sandals,
        and get a price even for the sweepings of the wheat.’”

        Jul 05, 2014 05:26 AM

        God says it all doesn’t He!

      Jul 05, 2014 05:29 AM

      I happen to agree Heavy

    Jul 04, 2014 04:31 AM

    Too add…

    WE ARE ALL LIVING IN SIN. Our very thoughts are sinful.

    We will always fall short and good works saves no one.

    Its nice to be nice though. Still, its about that relationship.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:43 AM

      One more thing…..The Lord is good because there will be provisions for those
      who are really suffering. The very poor, the very disabled, those who suffer great
      pain out of need will be saved. However, the provisions will be limited.

      Even so, I have found those really bad off have a relationship with The Good Lord.

      The Lord is the judge but his Holy Word is true.

      Jay
      Jul 04, 2014 04:16 PM

      sorry mate, im certainly not living in sin, thats only judgement by those who have no right or ability to decide wrong from right and i have long since refused to abdicate to others (particularly institutions) my right and ability to reason what is right / wrong. Funny thing is aside from SOME minor details, reasonable people generally all agree on what is fundamentally right or wrong

        Jul 04, 2014 04:26 PM

        Jay, you have no lusts, you share everything and unselfish ??

        If you look to your own wisdom and not Gods. ..Holy Bible.

        Then you don’t know Gods ways and only your own

        livingbible.org ….more information if your a sceptic.

        Other than that rejection of Gods Word after its being presented
        with it is not something I can keep debating.

        THATS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN. Unless it changes before
        judgment.

          Jay
          Jul 04, 2014 04:03 PM

          hh of course i have lust as every single human does. we all have hedonistic needs but living well means preventing hedonistic urges to overcome reason. i certainly try to share as much as possible and contribute to the wellness of my family and community. As far as looking to my own wisdom i am with Socrates in that regard. i know nothing, but am the most suspicious of those who claim to know (especially in regards to spiritual matters). Best to consider knowledge as an inference to the best explanation available while remaining reasonable and openminded to new information when it comes along 😉

            Jul 04, 2014 04:28 PM

            I respect your opinion Jay but its not me that sets the standards.

            However, being wise enough I won’t argue with God.

            Just keep in mind like I have to this earth was created by him.

            My feet are on the ground with the earth spiining at a perfect
            speed and the very air we breath because of God not anyone
            else Bill Gates or Warren Buffet who will be judged if they too
            reject Gods Word and Christ Jesus.

            Well, I’m at the mercy of God just like everyone else and there
            are lots I don’t understand.

            HOWEVER, I REFUSE TO ARGUE WITH GOD. Temporarily, I do until
            I come to my senses. Believe me I have had some rounds with God.
            Not often but I see things with others who suffer greatly …it does disturb
            me. Also, we are to get upset at times.

            Happy 4th Jay but I’m in the same boat too. Believe me.

            May your heart lead you to green pastures for eternity.

            bb
            Jul 04, 2014 04:36 PM

            Good to hear reason Jay.

            Jul 04, 2014 04:38 PM

            You are a pretty smart guy Jay!

        Jul 04, 2014 04:37 PM

        Yes they certainly do Jay

      Jul 04, 2014 04:36 PM

      I agree Heavy.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:38 AM

    THE MOS-LIMES WILL EAT US !!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqHdR1tDD4

    BJ
    Jul 04, 2014 04:49 AM

    I prefer ethics to religion.

    Ethics is based on reason whereas religion, faith.

    Yet faith often displaces reason in actions that are void of ethics but fly under the banner righteousness. History has already suffered the lessons of the divine monarchs.

    Lord save me from the self-righteous who think they battle sin with big government. More often than not the cure is worse than the disease.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:57 AM

      Yes, but no one escapes hell if you think you can by doing it our way.

      And for those that tell me there is no hell.

      We will find out when we get there.

      Its for eternity and there is no turning back.

      Then again, many will not be happy in heaven.

      They love their own evil ways and God doesn’t
      send anyone to hell. We send ourselves there.

        Jul 04, 2014 04:30 PM
        bb
        Jul 04, 2014 04:02 PM

        hh, speaking of hell, Comes from hades I think, underworld, Zoraster tried to explain good/evil, the idea of a devil was brought about by attempting to discredit the god pan, thus the Christian devil/satin ended up with horns and hooves.
        Hell, from underworld, greek I believe, Egyptian underworld may have been osiras.
        Niether was a place of pain or punishment.

        As satan was originaly an angel that “tested” nothing to do with evil, and evolved into a devil, hell evolved from the underworld, hades.
        In other words, hell and devils are Christian creations.
        I have yet to find an eternity of tourture spoken of before the Christians came long.
        Lots I havnt read tho.

        Im sure there are different renditions of the story in Christian records.

          Jul 04, 2014 04:45 PM

          bb…great comments but our authority over
          everything else and supercedes over all
          things is Gods Holy Word.

          Then of coarse if one has no love for Jesus what
          he did at the cross at Calvary then knowing the
          Word Of God is a total waste of time.

          ENJOY THE WORLD WHILE THEY STILL CAN.

          Its all there in black and white but most want to
          mock it and scoff when they have chosen their
          own destruction for refusing to believe the truth.

          What I find hallerious and very disgusting at the
          same time God asks for no money to be saved.
          Its a free gift and all you have to do is believe
          Christ died for our sins and repent.

          WHATS SO DIFFICULT ABOUT THAT.

          Everyone should throw up their hand and
          say I’m all in. Proves one thing. The wise in
          the world and man are very foolish.

          A person has to be very foolish not to take
          the free gift. SORRY, BUT ITS PINHEAD MENTALITY.

          Maybe I’m not sorry. There is nothing to be sorry for.

          ITS FREE….SO TAKE THE GIFT OF SALVATION
          AND REPENT EVERYONE.

            Jul 04, 2014 04:42 PM

            Agree

      Jay
      Jul 04, 2014 04:10 PM

      second your post bj! I’d like to think there ll be pie in the sky but am not going to sacrifice the Eden that is here and now for something most likely untrue. Live well, making decisions that hopefully result in a betterment of your life and echo how you would carry yourself if there is an afterlife. No need to fear hell, just live intelligently, ethically, and positively and you have no need to wait for a heaven, it appears here and now

        Jul 04, 2014 04:43 PM

        Pretty much agree with you Jay

      Jul 04, 2014 04:51 PM
        Jul 04, 2014 04:35 PM

        So are you moving to India? Sounds like quite a government over there. Maybe Russia would suit you better since you hate your own government so much. Their corruption and Oligarchy is just a sideshow. Oh wait….China is probably your cup of tea because you think they have better money. Can’t breathe normal air there but that is not an issue if you are young. You really ought to pay closer attention to the stuff you post and think twice about whether you are better off where you already live. But idiots like you think the US is bad and the other systems are always better.

          Jul 05, 2014 05:35 AM

          Great point, Bird!

            Jul 05, 2014 05:38 AM

            Great point, Al??? I can see why Lew Rockwell isn’t interested in coming on your show.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:28 PM

            Okay but his President certainly is and does.

            I personally have a lot of respect for Lew by the way.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:35 PM

            I love America Al. Greatest country on earth. Bar none.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:21 PM

            Just some hiccups going on right now, Bird.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:01 PM

            Which America do you love? The current one or the original? They are not the same. …If you only had a brain.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:19 PM

            Trust me Matthew, I do. Perhaps not as big as yours, my friend, but I have been known to come in out of the rain (unless I am on the golf course) and get back into my turnip truck.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:29 PM

            That comment was for Bird, Al. If HE only had a brain!

            Jul 05, 2014 05:41 PM

            Al, it is disappointing to see that you have no problem with Bird constantly calling everyone here an idiot if he disagrees with them.
            It is also disappointing that you like to compare paying your taxes to paying country club fees. I would bet that your buddy Jeff Deist (and Ron Paul) would be disgusted by such a comparison. It shows not only that you do not understand economics (the gov cannot spend money more intelligently than its rightful owner can), but that you are fine with the notion that the U.S. has owners.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:45 AM

            Anyone that actually watches the video that I linked to will see that Bird’s comment is complete bullshit. India, Russia, and China are NOT promoted in any way, and certainly not by me.
            Leave it to a no-class imbecile like Birdman to spew what he pleases. What kind of guy sees a “great point” in any of bird’s garbage? The clueless kind.

          Jul 05, 2014 05:45 AM

          Bird Moron, WTF does India have to do with anything? You don’t like it when an Indian introduces a guest? You’re a scumbag, but Al loves ya!

            Jul 05, 2014 05:01 PM

            Matthew, this site is what it is and no more.

            Some live in their own little world and more
            than not I have to live with it here too.

            If we come here be ready to be manipulated.

            Disinformation flows like river and oceans.

            Check out market pulse ..yahoo gdxj

            Sign up and hope to see ya there. Stocktwits

            Unicorn…has a real awesome analysis.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:55 PM

            Thanks HH, I will check it out.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:58 AM

            You are such an angry person. Have you ever considered therapy, Matthew? Maybe ask your Mom is she will let you change to the upstairs rooms. You need to get out of the basement. More air and sunlight could be a good thing.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:53 AM

            Bird….come on man

            Stop with the double standards.

            Don’t be hypocritical.

            We all need anger management from time to time.

            Stop pretending to be someone we are not.

            Otherwise, its not healthy to live a lie.

            NONE OF US WILL EVER BE PERFECT EITHER.

            Quite the opposite.

            GOLD TO DA MOON TOO. There is no way to stop it.
            The elite will make sure of it. Follow the foot prints.
            They all have high stakes in gold.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:58 AM

            Groan….

            Jul 06, 2014 06:44 AM

            Bird

            All you are is a…. wanna be.

            Everything is smoke and mirrors.

            A complete fraudster.

            If you hate gold why are you here.

            Here’s why. You want to make sure no one
            profits from it with consistently bashing gold.

            A real sick agenda you have.

            Nothing better to do. However, your only
            defrauding yourself.

            Keep up the good work.

            YOU CAN’T EVEN GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:59 AM

            Also notice Bird.

            Its impossible to be your friend. Unless I want to
            suffer the fate of being a loser. That’s true though
            with everyone. Its all envy out there. Too bad your
            no different. That’s why good friends are rare.

            Misery loves company.

            Ha….but I’m not keepin ya company.

            Go pound sand Bird…..pound sand and enjoy it.

            I don’t need your BS and no one else does either.

            You won’t change either. You never stop the agenda your on.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:16 AM

            Belated post: Totally agree HH. Matthew just ignore the guy. He thrives on the oxygen of winding folks up. I’m done with the bird. I dread to think what sort of person when he was in the school yard.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:56 AM

            “Bird Moron, WTF does India have to do with anything? You’re a scumbag.” ~~ Matthew
            ———–
            This is the kind of comment that you think is OK, Reverend? You must be quite a priest.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:08 AM

            Andrew, hoping to see you and Matthew as I told Matthew in my post.

            You want the best analysis. Hoping Matthew finds a new calling
            there for himself. He’s much to good for his knowledge in high finance
            to be here. I’m moving on now with a whole new venture. Starting a
            subscription service soon. No rush but its very unproductive here.
            My time could be used for better things, more enjoyable and rewarding.
            Looking for possible joint ventures too with those that have the vision.
            It could be something on a large scale or taking on limited number of
            subscribers so I can do the very best for people. All guaranteed profits.
            No losing trades. Long term and short term investing.

            The sky is the limit. Not wasting anymore time here. Not pointing any
            fingers because this site is fine its just everyone’s needs are different.
            My focus is prosperity not discussing topics that are basically a waste
            of time. Only so many hours in a day. For my time I’ll take the money.
            And why not. I don’t come here to be a loser either. END.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:15 AM

            BIG NEWS RIGHT NOW OFF THE WIRES

            Lagarde and Germany

            This reset is coming man.

            ITS COMING…Andrew..wake up…your gonna be right.

            No more denial. All of us wake the hell up.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:08 AM

            Angry? Do you not remember calling CFS and others idiots a few days ago? How about this asinine and completely unjustified comment to Andrew?:

             
On September 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm,
            Andrew de Berry (Rev) says: 

Something simply tells me you can’t laugh at yourself BM, and that you’ll try beating down an opponent with any stick that comes to hand.
Wanted to take you seriously but you’re just so right over everything you discredit yourself.




             
On September 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm,
            Bird Man says: 

If I put a very fine point on that sharp stick I would say you are one very biggoted, extreme right wing, racist, anti-government, Fed bashing, Obama-hating, gold loving, money lusting loser. But I won’t say that today. You are a Reverend (of course). The worst and most despicable intolerant Christian I have ever had the honour to know. God loves you though.
But I don’t……code of Hamurabbi. Now piss off.




             
On September 23, 2013 at 3:30 am,
            Andrew de Berry (Rev) says: 

And you make out you’re not rude BM JOKE!!! – 
Have blown your cover once and for all, so I can rest my case.
            ———-

            Based on the facts, not anger, you are indeed a scumbag. But hey, Al thinks you’re a smart guy! ;o

            Jul 06, 2014 06:15 AM

            BM, you STILL have not answered my question. How did you get Martin Armstrong to stop using YOUR material??? LOL!!! You delusional sociopath.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:21 AM

            Wow…..You really need some help. There are psychiatrists in the Yellow Pages.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:35 AM

            On September 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm,
            Bird Man says:
            “…So I am just bugged that Martin uses my material without giving credit. That’s all.”

            LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Jul 06, 2014 06:47 AM

            Your right Bird…

            I WAS CALLED A NUT JOB…..getting rich in gold.

            HA…HA…..its crazy to be rich…break out those yellow pages.

            Of coarse my needs I will be looking for yacht dealers.

            HA..HA…..whatever I want….whatever I want.

            THE WORLD IS MINE…….if you know how to play the tables
            in Monte Carlo. GOT WAVOS !!!!

            Gold is not taking off to the moon its going to arrive into the next
            galaxie. Negative people breed hopelessness and despair.

            PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISION AND PATIENCE GET RICH.

            The mockers and scoffers are a rotten breed of their own.

            SCOFF AT GOLD…..people that do …get nothing for it either

            A BIG FAT ZERO. … uh ha ha ha

            Jul 06, 2014 06:58 AM

            Boring.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:06 PM

            You’re bored Bird.

            You make me Snore.

            Uh ha ha ha

            Clowns are funny. I love the entertainment.

            So much it puts me to sleep.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:38 PM

            HH I’m rapidly losing interest in this site too. But I’ll keep checking to see if Matthew’s still posting.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:38 PM

            Bird…..STOP

            Please stop pitchin and pumpin …GOLD

            Its appalling and I’m sooooooo sick of it.

            It gives me diarrhea.

            I’m so pissed right now.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:43 PM

            Andrew, please read my post to you.

            I told Matthew what to do. Its all there for you both.

            Hope to see ya there. Get an account. OK. ; )

            I’ll be. very disappointed if you don’t. Both of you.

            Please…

            Jul 06, 2014 06:47 PM

            Andrew, forgot to mention.

            Get over there and we will go over all the great things there.

            If you don’t you will never know. Not discussing it here

            OK. ; )

            Jul 06, 2014 06:54 PM

            On July 6, 2014 at 10:15 am, Matthew says:

            “BM, you STILL have not answered my question. How did you get Martin Armstrong to stop using YOUR material??? LOL!!!” — Matthew
            —————–

            OK Matthew, I will answer your question. There are in fact a great many people who “use” my material. The relationship between us is that I also “use” their material. There is a give and take where ideas are shared in a small community of mutually interested people.

            The gold community is small and concentrated as you should know. We learn a great deal from one another over time. Not all of us agree nor do we need too. Some of my ideas are objectionable to others and I respect that. Other ideas that I write about and discuss have the opposite effect.

            They sometimes catch the imagination of brighter people than me and get promoted. They go on and expand on those ideas in ways that are beneficial to all of us. I try to learn something new each and every day and I am amazed by the genius of some who write and go public with their thoughts.

            But do I contribute?

            Indeed I do. I have been writing anonymously for many years on the topics of gold, currencies, money and many other issues. Some of my thoughts were entirely unique and in cases I was the first to bring them up. I know where I wrote ideas and within 24 hours someone else had picked up the idea and run with it.

            So does Martin Armstrong read me? Sometimes yes. He and many others who come to Al’s site (or others) find ideas that sometimes resonate with their own. That is a community of thought. It is not because I am special either but because I am an original thinker and my ideas sometimes carry weight with like minded people.

            It is a great compliment when others repeat or expand on ideas that you are sure are your own. I do the same to them. It is a virtuous cycle where we cannibalize one another’s best thinking and then make it into something new for others to ponder over.

            That’s how we grow and learn Matty. Try it sometime.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:02 PM

            HH How do I get onto your site? Unclear as to what you said to Matthew, A

            Jul 06, 2014 06:09 PM

            Andrew, first post on this thread from me to Matthew

            3:01 pm…..

            See ya there. And hurry up. The benefits are enormous.

            And you can still enjoy it here too. But analysis is much better over there.

            OK. ; )

            Jul 06, 2014 06:25 PM

            Andrew, I think this is the site HH is referring to:
            http://stocktwits.com/home#people

            Jul 06, 2014 06:29 PM

            …And this one?:
            http://finance.yahoo.com/marketpulse/YHOO

            Which one do you like more, HH?

            Jul 06, 2014 06:43 PM

            FYI BM, you are not part of the “gold community.” You hate gold and gold bugs and don’t understand the first thing about gold or its importance to civilized society.
            Exhibit A:
            On June 28, 2014 at 10:04 am,
            Birdman says:

            Honestly, at current grades we should not even be mining gold anymore. It is utterly destructive of the environment on so many counts and the grades are so pathetically low it is really a wonder any government permits it to happen anymore. Would anyone here really care if all gold mining came to a halt worldwide (by international convention)? Serious question. It has little manufacturing merit. We just dig it up and store it in vaults. Don’t we have enough to squabble over already?

            Exhibit B

            On June 29, 2014 at 2:33 pm,
            Birdman says:

            What about we don’t mine gold anymore? You really need more gold? Does it improve anything? You think the world is better for it? Maybe we need to put more in the vaults. Maybe it is good to leach heaps and poison the shit out of the soils and water and waste resources so we we can all sit around and masturbate about how WUNDERFUL gold is for our lusty sexy pleasure and all get rich together. Or maybe we ban ALL gold mining since the industry is just a bunch of shit and thieves and liars. How about that you idiot?
            ————–

            You see Bird, you’re part of the lonely Chickens are Money community. Luckily, for you, the HUGE sheeple community, of which you are also a part, is easily duped.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:52 PM

            Here’s another gem:

            On June 29, 2014 at 4:20 pm,
            Birdman says:

            I hope gold bombs and crashes. It is the right thing for it to do. And so down she goes…………Suckers!!!…………………..Ha Ha Ha!!!!!

            Jul 06, 2014 06:53 PM

            There are no words to describe Birdman’s ignorance, but it is extremely common. Beware.

            Jul 06, 2014 06:57 PM

            GDXJ

            Or you won’t find me. Got a welcome for both.

            OK…lets go !!!!!!! ; )

            Jul 06, 2014 06:00 PM

            Andrew….Matthew

            GDXJ

            Just in case. Okay

            Jul 06, 2014 06:26 PM

            The “Cut and Paste” boy strikes again. HaHaHaHa!!! Too freaking funny for words!!!

            What is so interesting about you Matthew is there isn’t a single original thought in your head. It is all a big black hole. A nothing. Your Modus Operandi is to feebly attempt to mock others with their own words (often out of context) and then to add some stupid insulting commentary which is usually the sum total of your contribution to this site. Such a jealous man.

            No wonder Al thinks you are an ass.

            No content equals no value. Like a peanut butter sandwich with no bread. Just sticky and stinky.

            By the way, I stand by my comments on gold mining that you quoted. It is my view that ALL gold mining should be banned outright and that it should be done by international convention and with the majority agreement of the G20 of countries.

            Gold mining is a sin. It is a dirty polluting business that adds no appreciable value to the world we now live in. Gold is of no use to any major industry other than jewelry, bank vault stores and the whims of a small percentage of metals extremists who want to dictate monetary policy to the world (as if they know better).

            And frankly…there is quite enough of it above ground already. Virtually all of the gold ever mined is still in existence. So we need to start asking ourselves why more gold mining is better when existing grades are little more than a few grams per tonne. How fu**ing stupid are you that you think that is good for planet earth?

            Ummm…do you even know what is involved in a leach, smart guy?

            Bet you don’t. Add that to all the stuff you are ignorant about.

            (PS..thanks for reposting those comments. I hope you do it again. People should read those remarks)

      Jul 05, 2014 05:33 AM

      I personally think ethics and religion share a lot. But that is just me.

    CFS
    Jul 04, 2014 04:38 PM
      Jul 04, 2014 04:46 PM

      yes nice 777 !

    Jul 04, 2014 04:23 PM

    Interesting discussion. In so many ways religion is a curse. Nor should it ever be forgotten that Jesus’ most bitter opponents were those who were overtly religious, namely the Scribes, Pharisees, & Sadducees. Google up Bible verses that distinguish between true religion versus the false, and anyone can get the general drift of what Jesus and the other Bible writers most detested.

    Al, I know what you mean when you speak of ‘high, moral values’. But nor should it be forgotten that the religious people of Jesus’ day were highly moral, tithing to give to the poor, praying seven times daily, abhorring sexual depravity, etc. Yet if we’re going to witness our Christian faith to others surely it should be done with utter compassion, and without ever demeaning so many wonderful folk who would never call themselves ‘Christian’. After all ‘Judge not let ye be judged’ is one of the most sobering verses in scripture.
    But I know that even as I write this I could be charged with sounding ‘over-tolerant’. I suppose that all I can say is that whilst I deplore our decadent and laisser-faire cultures, I hate religious hypocrisy SO much more.
    Forgive any clumsiness in these thoughts.

    Happy July 4th!

      Jul 04, 2014 04:34 PM
      bb
      Jul 04, 2014 04:09 PM

      Interesting REv you mention that Jesus didn’t exactly approve of the pharisees and sudducees. Well, neither do I. As you may have noticed in some of my past posts.
      Anyway, a good example of “listen to Jesus, forget the religions” imo.
      Check those guys out… they’re wacko.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:33 PM

      Excellently presented – REVEREND..right on!!

      Jul 04, 2014 04:45 PM

      Pretty much agree with you Jay

      Jul 04, 2014 04:46 PM

      No clumsiness and we are on the same page.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:34 PM

    Gordon B. Hinckley (President):
    The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. … We see similar conditions today. They prevail all across the world. I think our Father must weep as He looks down upon His wayward sons and daughters. (Worldwide Leadership Training Meeting, 10 Jan. 2004, 20)

    We live in a season when fierce men do terrible and despicable things. We live in a season of war. We live in a season of arrogance. We live in a season of wickedness, pornography, immorality. All of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah haunt our society. Our young people have never faced a greater challenge. We have never seen more clearly the lecherous face of evil. (Ensign, Nov 2001, 4)
    —————
    Boyd K. Packer (Quorum of the Twelve):
    Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds in wickedness and depravity that which surrounds us now.

    Words of profanity, vulgarity, and blasphemy are heard everywhere. Unspeakable wickedness and perversion were once hidden in dark places; now they are in the open, even accorded legal protection.

    At Sodom and Gomorrah these things were localized. Now they are spread across the world, and they are among us. (Address to CES religious educators, Feb. 6, 2004, 4)

      Jul 04, 2014 04:49 PM

      Very good point, JOEL!

    Jul 04, 2014 04:40 PM

    Anybody check and see who was on the boat that LANDED IN JAMESTON 1620.
    Anybody check out what bible they may have been reading.
    Anybody check out what country they came from.
    Anybody check out what religion was being practiced in the country they came from.
    Anybody check out why the religion was practice, and where it originally came from.
    Anybody check out what the laws were based on.
    START THERE AND then maybe a logical conclusion to the current situation can be found.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:07 PM

    Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble, but the US Constitution was written solely for the bankruptcy protection of the 33 founding fathers following the Revolutionary War, because the newly birthed country was deep in debt to King George who loaned money to the Colonists to fight Great Britain. How? He also owned France and so he let money thru France to the colonists…taking the other side of the trade as it were in that war. But the point is, when the war ended, the FF needed financial protection against THEIR money and their estates from being confiscated by King George. YOU, mere citizen peon, CANNOT use the Constitution to defend yourself in court because it was not written for you and you were NOT a party to it. Is your signature anywhere on the document? No! A contract is a contract and you were NOt a party to that contract, heck, you weren’t even born yet! This FACT was decided in a famous but little advertised court case in the US in the State of Georgia: ” Padelford Fay & Co. v The Mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520.” That’s why only 2% of law schools in the USA even teach Constitutional law…..if it was applicable don’t you think 98% would teach it?

      Jul 04, 2014 04:52 PM

      Did not know that, Mark.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:15 PM

    Just to change the subject if nobody minds too much. I came across a story today that was published just days ago about a researcher who has deliberately created a flu pandemic for which the human population has no defense. It was all done in the name of research of course but we might all be a little concerned. From the article:

    “A controversial scientist who carried out provocative research on making influenza viruses more infectious has completed his most dangerous experiment to date by deliberately creating a pandemic strain of flu that can evade the human immune system.”

    “Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin-Madison has genetically manipulated the 2009 strain of pandemic flu in order for it to “escape” the control of the immune system’s neutralising antibodies, effectively making the human population defenceless against its reemergence.”

    And you all thought that the shrinking middle class and declining incomes were the real worry.

    Exclusive: Controversial US scientist creates deadly new flu strain for pandemic research
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-controversial-us-scientist-creates-deadly-new-flu-strain-for-pandemic-research-9577088.html

      bb
      Jul 04, 2014 04:15 PM

      I saw that the other day bird, what do ya say? People are nuts.
      Kinda like we figure out nuclear energy and fusion, so hay!! lets build bombs big enough to kill everyone.
      Yup, we an intelligent species alright, and we gonna figure out things like the gods?
      I sorta doubt it. But we bright enough to believe we can. lol
      Funny world.

        Jul 04, 2014 04:32 PM

        Don’t worry no one lives forever GOD RULE ‘S !

          Jul 04, 2014 04:42 PM
          bb
          Jul 05, 2014 05:44 AM

          Just read that Franky, just for heckery..I don’t believe in death, I feel the only thing is constant creation,expansion of conciousnes, or as some people would express it “god”. I feel death is a Christian idea, no basis in fact.
          This is just my belief of course, doesn’t make it true, I see “thou shalt not kill” as a statement of fact, not a commandment.
          Just different ways of looking at things I guess.

        Jul 05, 2014 05:38 AM

        Great point, Bird!

        Jul 05, 2014 05:39 AM

        One of the most thought provoking and interesting comments for me this Saturday, BB. Thanks

      CFS
      Jul 04, 2014 04:55 PM

      The article was over-hyping. Most of the deaths from the Spanish flu, I understand, fro a weakened immune system that allowed secondary illnesses, and that people died from bacterial infections for which we now have antibiotics. Having said that, I still dn’t see the point of reproducing Spanish flu.

        Jul 05, 2014 05:05 AM

        You don’t see the point. A gold bug that does not get depopulation. Shocking.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:56 PM

      You know bb, no matter how they spin it on the news we should not ever be in doubt that the search for extremely virulent diseases is anything other than a serious attempt to control the globes population. What this scientist has done is first create a strain for which the population has no defense and then secondly to start work researching methods to combat that same disease as it mutates. In other words, he is making a virus where the intention is to also have the keys to the vaccine to protect those who are affected. I will assume that the “good guys” (us) will get a shot of vaccine and the bad guys will just get the dose of disease. That to me is clearly an attempt to create pandemic outcomes where the power of the cure is held by a single University, Government or other public body and it suggests that deliberate attempts to make mutations have at their heart the intention of reducing the global population while making a lot of money in the process. Stinks to all high heaven does it not? Just ask yourself one question if you doubt this theory of mine. Is not most research done with the prospect of an economic reward involved? On that basis then would not the holder of the cure be soundly rewarded during a pandemic crisis for which no other cure was available? I really have no doubt we will see another Spanish Flu in the coming years. I anticipate it will be far worse than those that have come before meaning that such a disease could take as many as one in four of the worlds people or even more before it extinguishes itself. Usually these things kill the young and old who are most vulnerable. So imagine a world of no children and no elderly. Maybe where we are headed.

        Jul 04, 2014 04:14 PM

        GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuGRhZsMCs

        bb
        Jul 04, 2014 04:37 PM

        You could be right Bird, maybe its just another weapon.

          Jul 04, 2014 04:00 PM

          It is surely the most dangerous of weapons. No question at all, None of this is an accident. What we need to worry about is that if one county sets off a disease bomb that others will almost certainly release their own in retaliation. The average person will never know where the disease or pandemic virus came from but you can be 100% certain that those in the business and their respective governments will figure it out in a heartbeat. They are all watching each other already and the research and studies being conducted are often published or well known by insiders. So in other words, any release of a virus (accidental or deliberate) could be seen as an act of war and retaliation should be anticipated. What I am saying here is that we will not face one single pandemic suddenly appearing but instead will be confronted by several variations of flu or virus appearing all together. Simultaneously. Nobody will be safe. Nobody has all the antidotes. Each side holding its own vaccines for itself and the final outcome being that the general public is the victim in a global sickness war that does not end until those responsible have themselves finally succumbed to their own wicked treachery. We do not need to worry about nuclear bombs when pandemics are the obvious tool to defeat the enemy. And that, sadly, is the future when we all know factually that peak oil has come and gone, that resources are insufficient to support all the people on this world and that population growth now outstrips all the efforts undertaken to control it. Technology and science has finally met the problem head to head and found its own answers. If nature cannot control our growth then it just seems obvious to me that human ingenuity with pathogens and disease will step in and make it happen artificially.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:57 AM

            Sounds like this is the second chapter.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:08 PM

            Sadly it is probably one of the certainties of our times. I have no doubt it will happen.

        Jul 05, 2014 05:55 AM

        You ought to write a book, Bird !

          Jul 05, 2014 05:07 PM

          If only I could stick to a single subject.

            Jul 05, 2014 05:16 PM

            You are much too smart for that Bird!

    Jul 04, 2014 04:52 PM

    When this world finally capitulates into chaos its
    a thief in the night. Society is on the edge and all
    systems are connected to the grid. You name it
    and its all connected.

    BELIEVE ME…..GOD KNOWS VERY WELL THAT
    MAN IS NOTHING BUT A SCREW UP.

    A person has to be completely operating on one
    brain cell not to see this coming.

      Jul 04, 2014 04:09 PM

      It is coming. It is probably our Black swan. While everyone fusses and frets over what money really means or the survival of our economies and way of life we should be far more concerned about defending against unseen enemies that are far stealthier and much more deadly. *Cough*..*cough*….now that did not hurt a bit……did it?

        Jul 04, 2014 04:40 PM

        YEP..birdman

        Jul 04, 2014 04:09 PM

        IT’S COMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Now let’s spread our wings and fly away.

        If I had your wings Bird. ….I’d be gone.

        I have no choice but suffer through the
        New American Revolution.

        I love America. …expect for the heart killing
        hamburgers. Good reason to leave though.

        Gotta admit ..the apple pie… is not bad though.

        A box of Captain Crunch is now 5 bucks.

        Its all a bunch of bull crap. Inflation is here to stay.

        For a while anyway. Then the dominos really fall.

        Jul 04, 2014 04:10 PM

        It is coming and hope that everyone escapes the
        destruction. Then safely arriving in Gods house.

        I hope you’re there Bird and if you don’t see me you
        know I screwed up.

        Of coarse you won’t recognize me anyway but if you
        do lets not discuss gold. Its very hard on friendships.

          Jul 05, 2014 05:00 AM

          Yes it can be hard on friendships Heavy

      Jul 05, 2014 05:58 AM

      I like to think that not all men are screw ups Heavy!

        Jul 05, 2014 05:30 AM

        I am….BIG AL

        I believe in heaven and a new glorified body (won’t that be nice)
        however we won’t reach perfection until we get there.

        Its a free gift and you better believe I’m taking it. Old Guys may rule
        but I’m being held back from this body called a tent that I currently
        occupy.

          Jul 05, 2014 05:30 PM

          Me too Heavy.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:11 PM

    Great show! Jesus came to this earth to show us in word and deed how much His Father our God loves us and wants us to reconize that we are all sons and daughters of His Father, our Father. He did not put Himself above anybody. We are all equal in the Fathers eyes! We come from the Father, we are sustained by the Father and we will return to the Father. There is only God; nothing else or He would not be God! Everything is a perfect manifestation of our God and Father. To us things look pretty bleak but to God everything is exactly as it is supposed to be—-perfect! I believe in the goodness of manking and this world! We are learning as we go just like children do, and we fail but He forgives us and gives us all we need to be perfect as He is and I believe in the end we will see that all of this reality as it is right now is perfect! God said that His thoughts and ways are not ours. If we let go of our desire to be God without God and let His Spirit truly reign we will fullfil not only our own destinies but bring forth His Kingdom as it was meant to be and is. All “religions” teach this bar none. May the Father bless us and keep us!

      Jul 04, 2014 04:40 PM

      WOW…TIm Winston..powerful and very, very true….GOD “lives” in perfection – thus, at all times – EVERYTHING is PERFECT..even in the most darkest of human times…why? Because the human being’s path is a PERFECT union with GOD..therefore our path, in GOD’s EYES is perfect because he is perfection and ONLY manifests himself in PERFECTION…think about it and rejoice…

      Jul 05, 2014 05:01 AM

      Ever see Son of God?, Tim. It is a great movie.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:22 PM

    Now back to ..GOLD

    Its going to…EXPLODE

    I don’t mind doing the honors.

    Its lot of weight to lift but I don’t mind lifting it up.

    Tips are encouraged and recommended.

    No tips…..no moon shots.

    bb
    Jul 04, 2014 04:39 PM

    Silver Doc has an interview with Marshal Swing, he talks about the crash, the book of Daniel and Revelation, some people here might be interested.

      Jul 05, 2014 05:02 AM

      Thanks BB, I will look for it.

    Jul 04, 2014 04:56 PM

    Debating works written with hieroglyphics some 3,500 years ago about fables and folklore handed down from generation to generation from song,poetry and narratives,eh?
    It seems as ludicrous as the military industrial complex that is ruling the earth today in the name of democracy and freedom.

      Jul 05, 2014 05:18 AM

      Got gold ?

      ; )

      Jul 05, 2014 05:12 AM

      Yeah the wisdom of the ages is a big waste of time Matt. The collective efforts of all humanity distilled to their finest in written and oral form and then passed down to us as a gift is just too stoopid for words (because we are all much smarter today). /sarc/

        Jul 05, 2014 05:03 AM

        I agree Bird, but who am I to judge?

      bb
      Jul 05, 2014 05:05 AM

      Matt, I know “Christians” think they have the “only” truth and if their truth isn’t accepted you get to be tortured for all eternity, that’s ok, that’s your religion. The key word their is YOUR religion.

      For example;As strange as it is for you to think the world has been around longer than ? what is it now you guys think? 10k years? used to be 5k? n0?
      anyway, its just as strange to other people that you guys could actually believe that.
      So, as strange as my thinking is to you, your thinking is equally as strange to me.

    Jul 05, 2014 05:06 AM

    Political correctness has gone overboard, but the true root of political correctness is feminism. I personally am an atheist, but I support religious rights. If you want to see a group that opposes religion, look no further than feminsim. The Hobby Lobby case was declared by them as a WAR on women eventhough their health plan still provided SIXTEEN of the original 20 birth control options. In my opinion birthcontrol shouldn’t even be part of health insurance. I don’t see any plans giving out free condoms to men, but that’s perfectly fine with feminism because they hate us to begin with.

    Jul 05, 2014 05:05 AM

    Now that is an interesting comment about feminism, my friend.