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Avi Gilburt feels that for the short term gold is headed down

Big Al
July 18, 2014

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    BK
    Jul 18, 2014 18:33 AM

    WOW! Great addition – Avi is awesome. Hope he is a regular

      Jul 18, 2014 18:42 AM

      Thanks BK

      Whenever he has time.

        LPG
        Jul 18, 2014 18:06 PM

        Al,

        Although I cannot speak on his behalf, I think Doc/Richard has a slightly different perspective on gold than Avi.

        On the short-term, yes he does also expect a pullback (1280-1290 is what I think Richard has repeatedly mentioned), along the lines of what Avi indicated here (Avi indicated low 120s on GLD which correspond to >1248 for gold using a 10.4x ratio of spot gold to GLD).

        However, my understanding is that Avi and Doc diverge on their opinion about what occurs after the bounce which they expect after this pullback on which they views converge.

        Avi is calling for new lows… i.e < 1180 on spot gold… something I am not sure is what Richard has in his mind (or has ever mentioned).

        Incidentally, Tom McClellan in his July 17 free article on gold has a bearish view on gold for the short term:
        (quote from the article) "For the current situation, I have been remaining bearish in spite of the June 2014 pop, and counting on the promise of a lower price low at the major cycle bottom, lower than the mid-cycle low seen back in December 2013. That means a dip to below the $1190/oz level at some point between June and August 2014. We have a month left for that to get done."

        There's also something Tom mentioned and that I think we need to pay attention to:
        (quote again): "If we do not see a price low below that Dec. 2013 level ($1190/oz) at this major cycle low, then this would be the first time in 2 decades that there has been left translation which did not "work". It might seem to be extreme to look for another $100/oz decline in gold prices within the next month, but it is more extreme to make a bet that something which has worked consistently for at least the past 3 decades will suddenly fail this time. "

        Best to you.

        LPG

    Jul 18, 2014 18:02 PM

    HA HA HA What a joker !

    Jul 18, 2014 18:05 PM

    the whip saw that we saw in the price action in the past week had nothing to do with charts- it was all due to the plane crash in the Ukraine.

      Jul 18, 2014 18:46 PM

      Yep. It was the Ukrainian tragedy of the Malaysian plane.

    Jul 18, 2014 18:08 PM

    Great interview! I hope Avi becomes a regular. Big Al, you sir have done it again. Where to find these guys? Your site is one of the best out there. No bull, just the facts. Love it.

    Big Al, regarding your comment about airlines putting peoples lives at risk to maintain profit margins, here is an article for you. http://www.stockhouse.com/news/newswire/2014/07/18/downing-malaysia-airlines-plane-could-force-airlines-into-costly-route-changes

    It’s all about profits these days.

    Sly
    Jul 18, 2014 18:31 PM

    Not happening IMO. People have their own targets so they can load up the truck. Unfortunately markets don’t work for them but have their own momentum. He will be chasing it later when he realizes he was behind time frames from beginning. Bottom has been established twice and base has been building for a year now. Next wave is up and it’s Wave 5 of Elliot waves

    Jul 18, 2014 18:49 PM

    If $1292 gives way again, yeah, we’re going to drop and drop hard. It’ll put the possibility of $1224 back in play again. But $1224 should be it.

    Jul 18, 2014 18:54 PM

    Good interview. Great to hear you speaking, Avi. That was a good call you made last week when most others were insistent gold was about to head higher. My own views coincided with yours as I was certain gold and silver were both solid shorts and I warned others here of exactly why. It was more than rewarding for me of course as gold subsequently tumbled the most in many months this past Monday morning and took its predictable (at least to me) face plant. But who the heck listens anyway! Today my position is in opposition to yours though. Both gold and silver should be on the rise next week and further declines will be on hold until a later date. I feel certain stock markets are going to correct as early as Monday. And thank God for that…..it is so long overdue.

      Jul 18, 2014 18:17 PM

      Bird? What clue are you seeing in the stock market, if I may ask? I got a “short” signal today myself from one of my most reliable indicators.

        Jul 18, 2014 18:52 PM

        You too? I thought I was totally alone in this. Lets keep it to ourselves till next week. Long gold….short equities.

          Jul 18, 2014 18:54 PM

          Well, I’m short equities because of the signal I got today; I went long gold both because of the geo-political situation but also because there was a perfect bounce off $1292 at the 10am EDT hour on 7-15 and that satisfied an a-wave / c-wave Fibonacci relationship of the entire a-b-c that’s been working itself out since we dropped out of the symmetric triangle “coil” back on May 26th. And YES, we need to just keep it Our Little Secret. ( heh, heh )

          Jul 18, 2014 18:05 PM

          My reasoning is not all that technical MAD although we did get engulfing candles on two of the exchanges yesterday which was confirming for me. Basically though I think the market wants to see a correction before QE ends.

          Part of the reason is that a correction coinciding with the Feds closure of its exceptional intervention might potentially be more damaging than most people have a stomach for and few want to see that unfold. They will thus be in the process of reducing positions and front-running that date already. As this gathers momentum the forces necessary to cause a healthy pullback will materialize.

          There is absolutely no question that risk will rise the closer we come to that October end date and to the time Fed supports are withdrawn. The solution to that problem is that the market corrects in advance of the withdrawal such that Ms Yellens October speech does not result in new emergency measures being instituted to offset an event that clearly looks poised to be a triggering moment for equities.

          I am taking cues from sentiment readings here. Market participants are growing ever more wary as summer rolls on. The steep declines we have seen in most commodities also tell me that the opportunity to shift between asset classes has arrived. There are not many picture perfect bottoms here though nor do equities present well with tops so most people will probably not be convinced by my reasoning.

          I however feel strongly that as the market now recognizes the Fed is dead serious about its exit strategy that it will prefer to correct well before that final meeting on the topic of QE and thus set up the opportunity for a rally in October in spite of bond buying coming to a close.

          So this is another way of saying that investors are actually looking for froth to be blown off the top and new entry opportunities created and for that to happen sooner rather than later. Put simply, nobody wants the party to end but the probabilities of an ugly conclusion to a multi-year bull run are significantly heightened if we cannot pull back before the punchbowl is taken away.

          Thus, a summer correction is in the cards. I believe it is imminent and have said in another post that it may be prudent to position on certain soft commodities, energy and precious metals to weather the corrective event while keeping in mind stock markets will continue to rally at a later date leading into late September/October. I suspect we will see at least a 10% decline on the S&P and more for the Nasdaq and Russell.

          What we DON”T want is an October crash. Everybody understands that.

            Jul 19, 2014 19:49 PM

            PS…keep your eyes on the Canadian dollar and the Ozzie. Both should be moving higher next week as commodity outlooks improve and energy rises. Heating oil is about to take off. Wheat will end its declines. There is almost too much happening right now to trade on (unless you have staff!).

            Jul 19, 2014 19:12 PM

            Nice analysis of the situation. I’m seeing something very similar to the summer of 1981. There was never a “crash”, per se, but it certainly felt like one in slow-motion as the market ground everybody like hamburger all the way to the final bottom in August of 1982. I suspect the PPT will be willing to allow this sort of make-meatballs-out-of-everybody action again instead of a panic-flush as we saw in 1987 and 2008/09.

            Jul 19, 2014 19:28 PM

            Thanks MAD. We are on the same page. These declines are guaranteed to frustrate and leave most people scratching their heads about what is happening. Heck, it seems to take most people a couple months to catch on that the trend changed…never mind actually see a change coming! Right now you have almost everyone predicting things will be same-old, same-old next week. The usual gold smashdowns and pushing stocks higher. They could not be more wrong. You and I have some extra support today by the way. Martin Armstrong has published remarks on his Economic Confidence Model that suggests a market turn is coming next week. In the bigger view it sounds like his model suggests that November is when the heat really gets turned up. Have a look:

            Turning Point Coming Up — Martin Armstrong Blog
            http://armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong_economics_blog/

            Jul 20, 2014 20:34 PM

            And tonight, Bank of America’s Macneil Curry also weighs in saying “The S&P 500 is vulnerable.” Article is on Zerohedge and adds weight to my own conclusions.

            The 2 Charts That Have BofA Worried About A “Greater Correction” In Stocks
            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-20/2-charts-have-bofa-worried-about-greater-correction-stocks

            Jul 20, 2014 20:47 PM

            And here is Jim Rickards on the same topic.

            He writes: “The conundrum is complete. Stock indices march to all-time highs while economic fundamentals fall apart. The two will be reconciled either with a spectacular turnaround in growth or a spectacular collapse in stock prices. The problem is that a turnaround in growth can only come from structural reform, not money printing. Structural reform is the job of the White House and Congress, not the Federal Reserve. Since the White House and Congress are barely speaking, no help should be expected from that direction. Therefore a stock market collapse is almost inevitable and is probably coming soon”.

            Rickards: Stock market reality check.
            http://www.darientimes.com/33772/rickards-stock-market-reality-check/

    R G
    Jul 18, 2014 18:20 PM

    Thanks Big Al for having Avi on your show. I have read some of his articles on Seeking Alpha.