Do mainstream Muslims condemn the Muslim terrorists?
I did research this topic after I posed the question to Reverend Andrew. Here is a sample of one of the articles which I read. This particular one was written by Kamran Pasha.
“Today I had to refute yet again the Big Lie that hounds the Muslim community — that we fail to speak out and condemn terrorism.
I was being interviewed by the wonderful radio host Dr. Alvin Augustus Jones about my new novel Mother of the Believers. Dr. Jones is a deeply spiritual man whose show always features uplifting themes and speakers. And he went out of his way to make me feel welcome.
But as a good journalist, he had to ask the question he felt his audience wanted answered — “Why do mainstream Muslims fail to speak out against terrorism?
It is a question that I get almost every single day, and it leaves me flabbergasted. I often respond to that question with one of my own — “Why does the media fail to report on Muslims who condemn terrorism?”
Since before 2001, every single major Muslim group in the United States has been outspoken in their condemnation of terrorism and the murder of innocent people in the name of Islam. And yet the media ignores it. Every single time.
Don’t believe me?
Go here
That site lists links to dozens of major Muslims group and Islamic scholars who have condemned terrorism as a violation of the fundamental moral precepts of Islam.
Want more?
Here’s a compilation of Islamic fatwas against terrorism by Juan Cole
, scholar of the Middle East and author of Engaging the Muslim World.
Cole’s list was compiled after Thomas Friedman wrote an outrageous column in The New York Times claiming that “no major Muslim cleric or religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama Bin Laden.”
Friedman knew (or should have known as an alleged Middle East expert) that what he was saying was a lie. But he chose to publish this garbage anyway, giving it the full credibility of the Times.
What was so shocking was that Friedman’s column was published on July 8, 2005. But three months before, on March 11, 2005, a group of Spanish imams issued a fatwa against Osama Bin Laden:
So what is going on here?
As one of the few Muslims who has worked inside Hollywood for the past 7 years as a writer and producer, I can only explain this shocking lie that has become a national meme as the product of an intentional media agenda.
There is a real political agenda inside the media itself to keep Islam as the enemy, and to portray mainstream Muslims as a fifth column inside America. The idea that your Muslim neighbors are silently supporting Bin Laden sells newspapers. It captures the attention of viewers of the nightly news. And it furthers the ambitions of politicians who need a rallying point to get votes.
As a Muslim and a patriot I don’t know what more to do except continue telling the truth every time I get the opportunity.
But I ask my non-Muslim friends this question. How would you feel if your community was being falsely portrayed as being sympathetic to murderers by the media? How would you feel if every single thing you do to condemn and fight such criminals is intentionally ignored? What would you conclude about the character and motivation of people that continue to spread a lie against millions of your fellow human beings?
If you can take a moment to consider, you might get a sense of the true burden your Muslim neighbors carry. The world wants us to be the monsters. When we condemn and fight the monsters, no one notices or cares. It’s like the army telling a soldier who has just survived a hellish firefight that he was never in the war in the first place, and condemning him for his cowardice.
It would be a formula for despair for most people. And yet what is remarkable is that Muslim groups continue to patiently work against terrorism in accordance with their faith, even though they receive no credit for their deeds. They are secure that everything is in the hands of God. And, as the Holy Qur’an says, that the light of truth will never be put out by the mouths of liars.
Last year, I attended the Pilgrimage to Mecca, a powerful, life-changing event that I chronicled on my personal blog at blog.kamranpasha.com
One of the most remarkable stories that I heard when I was there was the tale of Abraham, who Muslims believe founded the first settlement at Mecca with his son Ishmael. The Angel Gabriel appeared to him and told Abraham to climb a mountain and call mankind to God.
Abraham was incredulous, and responded that there was no one in the barren desert valley except him and his family. Who would hear the call?
And Gabriel smiled and said: “Just call mankind to the truth. God will make sure it is heard.”
ADDENDUM:
In response to this article, the new meme is being promulgated: “Muslims condemn terrorism, but it’s all talk! Sure, Muslims say they condemn terrorism, but there’s no action!”
Where do I begin to respond to this kind of nonsense? There are 1. 5 billion Muslims living their lives in peace, trying to put food on the table for their families. Over six million of them live here in America as patriotic citizens. They work hard, pay their taxes, and have ZERO contact with the criminal underworld where these terrorists breed.
I have never, ever met a terrorist in real life (it is ridiculous that I even have to say this). If I met one, I would turn him in to the authorities, as would every other Muslim I know. Since I don’t have access to this shadowy underworld, I live my life on the surface in broad daylight, working in my community to promote interfaith cooperation, peace and prosperity. It is that grassroots effort that Muslims do to promote good in this world that receives ZERO coverage in the media. I could list every single good thing I and other Muslims have ever done to make the world a better, safer place, but people who hold this attitude don’t care. It will never be enough. If I listed 1 million positive things Muslims are doing in their daily lives today on this planet, they would respond: “Why can’t you name a billion things you’ve done? See, you’re not doing enough!”
So I ask those who are outraged at this supposed Muslim inaction: “What have YOU done to defeat racism in this world?” List every single thing you have ever done to fight the Ku Klux Klan. List it here, right now. Times, dates and hyperlinks please. The response would be that I am crazy — average Americans have nothing to do with the KKK, and don’t need to justify their daily actions in support of righteousness to me or anyone else. But that same common sense response is rejected when a Muslim uses it.
The terrorists are a few thousand criminals (less than 0.01% of the Muslim population). They act in secret, in a shadowy underworld that is more like the Mafia than a public organization that holds meetings and takes minutes. Asking Muslims to list how they are fighting Al-Qaeda is like asking a pizza store owner what he is doing to destroy the Mafia.
Muslims fight these monsters by publicly denouncing them, leading lives as law-abiding citizens, helping their communities, and trying to educate people about the loving and harmonious values of true Islam.
It is what I am doing here, every single day.
But for some people, it will never be enough,
So I respond in the way the Holy Qur’an teaches Muslims when they encounter ignorant people. I say to them: “Peace.”
Kamran Pasha is a Hollywood filmmaker and the author of Mother of the Believers, a novel on the birth of Islam as told by Prophet Muhammad’s wife Aisha (Atria Books; April 2009). For more information please visit: http://www.kamranpasha.com
bb is another fliipant ignorant Anglo who descends from murderers and rapists of natives.
Extremists from the Islamic State have killed at least 500 people, including women and children, Iraqi officials said. Some of the victims were buried alive.
Some of the victims, including women and children were buried alive in scattered mass graves in and around Sinjar,” he added. Some 300 women were kidnapped as slaves, he said.
bb believes that if only Israel stopped bombing Gaza and dropped all weapons there will be peace in the Middle East. Sharing this view is Steve and Rev de Berry, who most likely shares the same bloodline as Steve and bb.
The Anglo WASP has not shame of their ruination of the world and calls anybody a “nutter” if these crimes are listed.
One nation that is slowly fighting the Anglos is China. Very intelligent. Quietly depleting the West of its gold and silver. ALL of the Anglo banks that short gold and silver shall be reduced to rubble and their families destitute save the ones who have planned for it and have transferred their assets to TCI and St Kitts.
My personal opinion on this particular topic, Johnny, is that I detest violence in all forms.
All religion is gov mafia mind control propaganda. In ancient times they used “religion”, today they use the media and schools. The technique and the purpose are practically the same. Keep the “morons” distracted with holographic lies, keep them occupied fighting each other, so that those in power remain in power and can go on mass thieving unmolested.
That said, I don’t for a second buy into the nonsense above that Muslims don’t support Jihadist conquests. Jihadist terrorism is nothing other than a mode of warfare for Jihadist political conquest/genocide. It has been used by Jihadists since the inception of Islam, has been very effective, and I don’t see that changing.
Jesus,
Quote:
“I don’t for a second buy into the nonsense above that Muslims don’t support Jihadist conquests.”
You’re entitled to your views. These are your full right.
On this topic though, may I simply suggest you go and have a drink with a few muslims, discuss it, and come back to us with your updated thoughts on the matter. You might be tempted to reconsider what you wrote in the first place…
Good luck to you.
LPG
Jesus has spoken – Yikes!!
Al, I find there are a number of sites where Muslims speak out against Islamic extremists. Furthermore, we have a local imam who has done just that. Under Gnostic Islam on the site below we’re told that of Islam’s many schools of thought, only one causes all the havoc in the world, namely Salafi Wahhabi or ‘founders of alqaeda’.
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130523030109AAWcLBd
The trouble is that it’s the same with Christianity and doubtless with Judaism too., that too many of those faiths’ adherents may appear passive when all they really want to do is get on quietly with their lives and live according to their lights. Yet I fear there can be harm done when the faithful fail to speak up as they should, but so too when others DO speak out only to have other charges (rightly or wrongly) levelled against them. Jesus Christ regularly had false charges laid against him, despite those charges being dressed up in the garb of moral outrage.
Alas, our other friend Jesus above has his own prejudice – moral outrage borne of a mind-set that appears rational to him, but which to others comes across as all but deranged and brim-full of the very hate he would claim to abhor. Like all bigots (religious or secular), he falls into the same trap of snatching at fragments of truth so as to wage his own jihad..
That, BJ is a great comment.
You are a pretty smart guy, Reverend
Yes, he’s a very smart guy, and well versed in Jihadist propaganda lies.
But his retort is lame, Al.
He didn’t address anything I said. Rather, he went on to personally attack me with an inanity that is nothing but a psychological projection of his own psyche. This is a common phenomenon I observe with Jihadi propagandist practicing Taqiyya. Accuse others of that which YOU are practicing. Just like Jihadi terrorism, it’s a form warfare, but in this instant it’s cognitive warfare. (You see the same technique used in old Nazi propaganda).
Our “Reverend” Andrew is no Reverent. That should be obvious. The guy is a Jihadi propagandist through and through.
Andrew is also an author of several books.
THE GUY IS A GENIUS !!!!!
What I really find disturbing is all this hate.
All nations are corrupt. I support all people
in all nations including Israel. Those that
bless Israel will be blessed. Those that curse
Israel will be cursed.
This world is really ready to crash and burn.
Hate coming from all 4 corners of the earth.
Hating Islam who are some of the nicest people
on this earth. Innocent people from all nations
are being hated. The jews have been through so
much too. The holocaust. I know jews who still
talk about it today. Families being burned alive.
Sure Israel is corrupt just like every other nation
on this planet.
Hate does not come from God. You can’t know
God and hate. But so many do.
So we are certainly not perfect any of us. Sin is
everywhere. The bible is right. When there is good
present, there is just as much evil present.
PRECISELY WHERE THIS WORLD STANDS !!!!!
The bible does predict how it all ends. Its going to end
spectacular for those that repent and believe in our savior
Christ Jesus.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS MAGNIFICO !!!!
A party for eternity of joy, laughter and happiness
beyond anything we could ever imagine.
I know its hard to believe but it is true. I like the odds its
better than here. Do the math.
Thanks HH. Suggest that this interloper ‘Jesus’ gets acquainted with the true Jesus: King of kings and Lord of Lords.
Not my king, not my lord. I am sure he did something if he even existed
Andrew, you know much more regarding these matters
than anyone would like to believe. A wealth of information.
Its incredible all your vast knowledge. What many may not
understand you are loving everyone and all walks of life in
all nations. Walking in Jesus ways.
Mine is a biblical perspective with the same rational. Loving
all people in all nations like Jesus would do.
God is love. We are not to hate anyone. Hate is a sin.
This is the root of the worlds problems today and its leading
the world into chaos the likes the world has never seen.
God Bless you for what your doing Andrew.
Blessings to you..Brother in Christ. ; )
Johnny,
We will all find out. You don’t want to wake up in hell though.
At least I don’t. Remember, everything here is temporal.
The great message of Gods Holy Word is the promise of eternity.
No matter how much fun you are having here or money it all
ends. If one is suffering that too will end.
Our bodies are just a tent. In eternity we won’t have these tents
to worry about. I could go on and on regarding the advantages of
being a believer.
I LEARNED ITS ABOUT THINKING ABOUT ETERNAL THINGS. ..
NOT TEMPORARY THINGS.
It brings me much more joy in life because I’m not
that concerned about what happens to me.
ITS ALL TEMPORARY.
Blessing to you Johnny and wish you the best. ; )
We are all in the same boat here more or less.
That is what the WASP and the Spanish told the natives. They were in the land for thousands of years, harvesting corn and potatoes and cocoa. They had their own spirits. AS primitive perhaps as they were they had no desire to create big canoes and exterminate Europe. Unfortunately.
Well Johnny, you make a good argument and very interesting points.
However,with all the evidence with creation we do have a God.
There is only one God. My goal is to stay out of hell. Finding out
when we get there I believe is more than tragic. More than anything
bad that can happen to us here.
Peace to you brother and fully understand your concerns.
I try anyway. ; ) far from being anything close to perfect.
My sins are covered. Happy is the man who’s sins are forgiven.
MR. James Dines is in TOWN……
On KingWorld News.
What a tremendous interview with a legend who is The Original Gold Bug.
Highly recommended and is one of the best analyst’s in the business.
Only on KingWorld News…James Dines final quote :
“Always tell the truth and you will land on your feet sometime soon.”
Where will you be when gold is trading for no bid. H.H.
May not want to be here….lol
sooner or later the muslims will put the hurt on the usa. only a matter of time before we americans become ponzis for the muslim culture. look at the civil rights laws. the whole sytem here from education, housing,prisons ect ect has been destroyed. to bring millions of these people in as our world order gov has done is very unwise. guess it is up to the melliniums to do something about it. my generation has sold our freedom and given our treasure to the one word gov. not to mention the lives destroyed in our bush cheney and now obummer wars
The “melliniums”(sic)? The “one word gov.”(sic)? You do a great self-parody, there, “steven”.
Thanks Dallas.
lets see dallas oh that’s right it is called little mexico good luck down their
Here is a link that is worth the long read….
Hi Kevin,
Am I correct in assuming that Islam is not a religion of peace to all.
I guess that my question is simply, “who is telling the truth”?
AL:
Apparently, the Koran, supplemental teachings and history answers to your question of “peace to all”.
Regarding “who is telling the truth”, Pilate asked a somewhat similar question, “What is truth?”. Some have said that “religion” has been concocted by the government as a means of control and that it is blind faith. In point of fact, faith, as a Greek word, has roots in the legal system, and is belief based on evidence, not credulity, or belief in the absence of evidence.
There is a God in heaven, and His plans are being fulfilled in spite of what man can and is doing. He has left enough evidence for those who are truly seeking Him to find Him. And don’t forget that Satan is a liar, always has been, and is the father of lies. We see enough of his handiwork every day in the markets, to name but one area.
Ask and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you: MA 7:7
Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Didn’t mean to be long winded.
I think it was Socrates, one of his students asked him what was truth, or what is truth, something like that, anyway, ol Soc took the guys head and held it under water until he was struggling pretty good and he was so short of air he was drowning, Soc lets him up and says, “when you want he truth as much as you wanted the air, youll find it”.
Thought that was kinda similar to “seek and find”, “ask its givin” or “knock and its opened”
From what Ive read its all pretty much the same stuff.
Of everything Ive read I like the buddist stuff best, easy to understand being pretty clear in the stories.
Another theme that seems to be pretty standard is betrayal of the “teacher” Jesus was betrayed I believe Mohamed was poisoned, and Horus betrayed too
Actually a whole hoard of gods etc were betrayed, popular story I guess.
Thanks for your insights bb, A
Kevin, I don’t know whether to thank you or not. I was up until 1 AM reading the booklet by Wafa Sultan. It was quite revealing to say the least. I appreciate the people on this site. It forces me to continue to expand my mind.
Here’s a video link from Dr. Mads Gilbert from Tromsø, Norway (Twin City with Gaza City),
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOk_KaaXc9E#t=13
Dr Gilbert was working at Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza during the last Israeli onslaugt on Gaza. You might have seen him on Channel 4 while working at the hospital.
I can’t disagree with anything he said for all he said just makes, IMHO, plain human sense.
Best to all,
LPG
It really is all about the lunatic fringe who seem to be in charge. At least that is my current belief.
Psychologists will tell you psychopaths always rise to positions of power IF they’re not identified and intercepted early enough – before they can reach that first crucial position that gives them the critical mass and “bully pulpit” they need to take it from there and become total despots.
YES Man about Dallas. Zionism is all about such people!
THE PROTOCOLS of the ELDERS of SLIMEY LIMEY – kill the men, use the females for sexual pleasure.
The British or American WASP descends from so much evil we will never know the hundreds and hundreds of millions the WASPS have killed.
In the 20th Century, the BRITISH WASP CULT caused the GREAT DEPRESSION. The Earl I of Halifax caused the Depression by dumping and dumping the same silver in collusion with the buyers to destroy the currencies of China and India and the manufacturing profits of US Manufacturers.
The British WASP delivered ruination to 800,000,000 people!!!! This financial holocaust opened the door to Mao, Hitler, the Holocaust, the London Blitz (hands clapping), the BRITISH Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet GCB, OBE, AFC (13 April 1892 – 5 April 1984), commonly known as “Bomber” Harris; who EXTERMINATED 40,000 Germans in one evening.
The true essence of British tradition: kill, kill, kill.
I could post 10 pages on the British lust for extermination.
You are overplaying your hand, Andrew.
Ever ready with your two pennyworth BM. lol.
Dallas, “always rise to positions of power”
There are a few differant “kinds” of psychopath, been awhile so I dont remember the names of them, but if a person where interested there are some informative u tube videos.
Anyway, from those I guess the most common place to find one kind is in corporate board rooms.
They also rise to positions of influence in institutions like churches etc
I guess, psychopaths are as common a left handed people are.
They are interesting, I guess they recognise each other right away, they view empathy etc as a weakness, they will use it as a tool tho
They are an interesting study, probly every child should learn to identify and determine which kind they are early in school.
In charge and hence the most vocal.
+1 Al
LPG
Hamas NOT the problem LPG – Yes! Gideon Levy is a wonderful and gutsy reporter.
My kind of Jew. Thanks for the post.
No, I disagree that all faiths have a similar moral basis.
Both Judaism and Islam are fundamentally Middle Eastern religions, and that shows in their history and attitude. They believe exploiting outsiders is not only moral but to be encouraged.
It is perfectly valid and moral for Muslims to lie and deceive non-Muslims.
It is in the Koran and hadiths. Its called Taqiyya.
Judiasm has a similar and well know commandment that it is valid to cheat and deceive Non-Jews.
And in Choschen Ham. (156,5 Hagah) it says:
“If a Jew is doing good business with an Akum it is not allowed to other Jews, in certain places, to come and do business with the same Akum. In other places, however, it is different, where another Jew is allowed to go to the same Akum, lead him on, do business with him and to deceive him and take his money. For the wealth of the Akum is to be regarded as common property and belongs to the first who can get it. There are some, however, who say that this should not be done.”
And the Kol Nidre. ‘By deception thou shall wage war’ is the motto of the Mossad.
Consider this seriously.
This does not of course mean that all Jews or Muslims are like this.
However this is fundamental to the nature and history of BOTH these religions. And this has played itself out in history.
This should not be ignored for PC reasons.
That’s true cecil, first Ive herd the word Akum tho, Ive herd it with the goyim word, if Ive spelled it right.
I havnt read it all but the Talmud has some pretty “degenerate” stuff, seems to be a theme of slavery etc running thru Jedeaism, christianity and the Koran.
On the other hand, I think Jesus was telling us in Mat 28 the thinking is going to change.
This of course will be disputed but its what I think and that is one thing that makes me think we are not going to destroy ourselves.
I have a Jewish friend without many worldy goods that I cherish dearly as he is one of some of the nicest people I have met in my life.
I have had a Muslim gf for many years. Honest to a fault ,loyal and a very good person to her family and friends.
Some people get hung up on religion and limit themselves by painting a broad brush with that thought process.
Absolutely Matt – There are some simply wonderful Jews, Christians and Muslims out there. To fear God in whatever way we perceive HIM, while honouring all people is all that matter! Meanwhile our hearts go out to the people of Gaza and to all those little children killed or maimed. Next problem in Gaza it would seem is all the UN-exploded ordnance now beginning to surface everywhere. The same goes out to all those fleeing IS in Northern Iraq.
Best, A
I support the IDF attempt to destroy every building in Gaza.
IF it were not for Iron Dome making Hamas rockets and mortars less effective, there would be thousands of casualties on the Israeli side. Technology is saving lives, and Hamas does not like this. They verily want to kill jews, except they are not seceding. It is not from a want of trying, they just can not get passed iron dome so far. Tunnels are their next weapon to gain access to Israel. They have made some gains. Make no mistake, their success has been limited in killing jews, but they are trying to commit their genocide against these same jews.
Put yourself in their shoes. If you country is occupied by Muslims and your family are killed and your women raped. Are you going to feel angry and revengeful? If some of your country men fight your enemy with anything they have but labeled terrorists by your enemy, are you going to condemn them? If you say yes, you are lying. I won’t. Humans are humans. If yourself is not saint, don’t expect other people to be one.
400 + dead children in Gaza Lawrence. Just how many more jihadists (or ‘freedom fighters’) does that help create?
ISIS kills 500 Yazidis, buries some victims alive
I am not aware of the IDF burying Arabs alive. This is genocide.
If I were leading the IDF I would do it the “WASP Method” or follow Islam:
MA MALAKAT AYMANUKUM – I would execute all males and take all women and their babies, make more babies and raise them as Jews.
This is the Anglo and Muslim way of doing things if history is a guide.
Yes, this problem is unsolvable. Hatred turns revenge and turns to more hatred. I think there are very few so called moderate Muslims. Even there are, they are paying lip service to get better treatment in the west. It is extremely difficult to remain neutral if you are the victims. War will last untill one side is eliminated. It is funny the west keep imposing winner standard to the losers. It does not help.
Anybody here ever read the Koran? Here is a chapter called “The Idolaters” that you might find interesting. Understanding what drives Islamic thought starts with trying to divine the meaning of the ideas that Mohammed left behind (most of the text was written after he had departed the world). So here are some verses from the Koran. It is not easy to read because it seems disjointed and does not flow in a way familiar to us but it is probably worth your time as it offers insight into the thinking that is one of the drivers of their culture.
20 The idolaters.
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
GLORY be to Him who carried his servant by night from the
sacred temple of Mecca to the temple that is more remote, whose
precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs! For
He is the Hearer, the Seer.
And we gave the Book to Moses and ordained it for guidance to
the children of Israel “that ye shall take no other Guardian than me.”
O posterity of those whom we bare with Noah! He truly was a
grateful servant!
And we solemnly declared to the children of Israel in the Book,
“Twice surely will ye enact crimes in the earth, and with great
loftiness of pride will ye surely be uplifted.”
So when the menace for the first crime came to be inflicted, we
sent against you our servants imbued with terrible prowess; and
they searched the innermost part of your abodes, and the menace was
accomplished.
Then we gave you the mastery over them in turn, and increased
you in wealth and children, and made you a most numerous host.
We said, “If you do well, to your own behoof will ye do well: and if
you do evil, against yourselves will ye do it. And when the menace
for your latter crime came to be inflicted, then we sent an enemy
to sadden your faces, and to enter the temple as they entered it at
first, and to destroy with utter destruction that which they had
conquered.
Happily your Lord will have mercy on you! But if you return, we will
return: and we have appointed Hell the prison of the infidels.
Verily, this Koran guides to what is most upright; and it
announces to believers who do the things that are right, that for them there is a great reward;
And that for those who believe not in the life to come, we have got a
painful punishment ready.
Man prays for evil as he prays for good; for man is hasty.
We have made the night and the day for two signs: the sign of the
night do we obscure, but the sign of the day cause we to shine
forth, that you may seek plenty from your Lord, and that you may
know the number of the years and the reckoning of time; and we
have made everything distinct by distinctiveness.
And every man’s fate has been fastened about his neck: and on the
day of resurrection we will bring forth to him a book which shall
be proffered to him wide open:
“Read thy Book: there needs none but thyself to make out an
account against thee this day.”
For his own good only shall the guided yield to guidance, and to
his own loss only shall the erring err; and the heavy laden shall
not be laden with another’s load. We never punished until we had
first sent an apostle.
And when we willed to destroy a city, to its affluent ones did we address our bidding; but when they acted criminally therein, its doom was just, and we destroyed it with an utter destruction.
And since Noah, how many nations have we exterminated!
And of the sins of his servants thy Lord is sufficiently informed and observant.
Whoever chooses this quickly passing life, quickly will we bestow
therein that which we please even on him we choose; afterward
we will appoint hell for him, in which he shall burn disgraced and outcast.
But whosoever chooses the next life, and strives after it as it should
be striven for, being also a believer, their striving shall be
grateful to God.
To all these and those will we prolong the gifts of the
Lord; for not to any shall the gifts of thy Lord be denied.
See how we have caused some of them to excel others! But the
next life shall be greater in its grades, and greater in excellence.
Set not up another god with God, lest thou sit thee down
disgraced, helpless.
Thy Lord has ordained that you worship none but him; and,
kindness to your parents, whether one or both of them attain to old
age with thee: and say not to them, “Fie!” neither reproach them;
but speak to them both with respectful speech;
And defer humbly to them out of tenderness; and say, “Lord,
have compassion on them both, even as they reared me when I was
little.”
Your Lord well knows what is in your souls; he knows
whether you are righteous:
And gracious is He to those who return to Him.
And to him who is of kin render his due, and also to the poor and
to the wayfarer; yet waste not wastefully,
For the wasteful are brethren of the Satans, and Satan was
ungrateful to his Lord:
But if you turn away from them, while you yourself seek favours
from the Lord for which thou hopes, at least speak to them with
kindly speech:
And let not your hand be tied up to thy neck; nor yet open it with all
openness, lest thou sit thee down in rebuke and in beggary.
Verily, thy Lord will provide with open hand for whom he
pleases, and will be sparing. His servants he scans and inspects.
Kill not your children for fear of want. For them and for you will
we provide. Verily, the killing them is a great wickedness.
Have nothing to do with adultery; for it is a foul thing and an evil
way:
Neither slay any one whom God hath forbidden you to slay, unless
for a just cause: and whosoever shall be slain wrongfully, to his
heir have we given powers; but let him not overstep bounds in
putting the man-slayer to death, for he too, in his turn, will be
assisted and avenged.
And touch not the substance of the orphan, unless in an upright
way, till he attain his age of strength: And perform your covenant;
verily the covenant will be enquired of:
And give full measure when you measure, and weigh with just
balance. This will be better, and fairest for settlement:
And follow not that of which you have no knowledge; because
the hearing and the sight and the heart, each of these shall be
enquired of:
And walk not proudly on the earth, for you cannot cleave the
earth, neither shall you reach to the heights of the mountain.
All this is evil; odious to thy Lord.
This is a part of the wisdom which thy Lord has revealed to thee.
Set not up any other god with God, lest you be cast into Hell,
rebuked, cast away.
What! Has your Lord prepared sons for you, and taken for himself
daughters from among the angels? Indeed, ye say a dreadful
saying.
Moreover, for man’s warning have we varied this Koran: Yet it
only increases their flight from it.
SAY: If, as ye affirm, there were other gods with Him, they would
in that case seek occasion against the occupant of the throne:
Glory to Him! Immensely high is He exalted above their
blasphemies!
The seven heavens praise him and the earth, and all who are
therein; neither is there aught which does not celebrate his praise;
but their utterances of praise you understand not. He is kind,
indulgent.
When you recite the Koran we place between thee and those
who believe not in the life to come, a dark veil;
And we put coverings over their hearts lest they should understand
it, and in their ears a heaviness;
And when in the Koran thou names the One Lord, they turn their
backs in flight.
We well know why they hearken, when they hearken unto thee,
and when they whisper apart; when the wicked say, “Ye follow no
other than a man enchanted.”
See what likenesses they strike out for thee! But they are in error,
neither can they find the path.
They also say, “After we shall have become bones and dust, shall
we in sooth be raised a new creation?”
SAY: “Yes, though ye were stones, or iron, or any other creature,
to your seeming, yet harder to be raised.” But they will say, “Who
shall bring us back?”
SAY: “He who created you at first.” And they will wag their heads at you, and say, “When shall this be?”
SAY: “Happily it is nigh.”
On that day shall God call you forth, and you shall answer by
praising Him; and you shall seem to have tarried but a little while.
Join my servants to speak in kindly sort: Verily Satan would stir
up strife amongst them, for Satan is man’s avowed foe.
Your Lord well knows you: if He please He will have mercy on
you; or if He please He will chastise you: and we have not sent
thee to be a guardian over them.
The Lord has full knowledge of all in the heavens and the earth.
Higher gifts have we given to some of the prophets than to others,
and the Psalter we gave to David.
SAY: Call upon those whom you fancy to be gods beside Him;
yet they will have no power to relieve you from trouble, or to shift it
elsewhere.
Those whom you call on, themselves desire union with their
Lord, striving which of them shall be nearest to him: they also hope for
his mercy and fear his chastisement. Verily the chastisement of the
Lord is to be dreaded.
There is no city which we will not destroy before the day of
Resurrection, or chastise it with a grievous chastisement. This is
written in the Book.
Nothing hindered us from sending you with the power of working
miracles, except that the peoples of old treated them as lies. We
gave to Themoud the she-camel before their very eyes, yet they
maltreated her! We send not a prophet with miracles but to strike
terror.
And remember when we said to you, Verily, the Lord is round
about mankind; we ordained the vision which we shewed thee,
and likewise the cursed tree of the Koran, only for men to dispute
of; we will strike them with terror; but it shall only increase in
them enormous wickedness:
And when we said to the Angels, “Prostrate yourselves before
Adam:” and they all prostrated them, save Eblis. “What!” said he,
“shall I bow before him whom thou hast created of clay?
Do you see this man whom thou hast honored above me? Verily, if
you respite me till the day of Resurrection, I will destroy his
offspring, except a few.”
He said, “Begone; but whoever of them shall follow thee, verily,
Hell shall be your recompense; an ample recompense!
And entice such of them as you can by the voice; assault them
with your horsemen and your footmen; be their partner in their
riches and in their children, and make them promises: but Satan
shall make them only deceitful promises.
As to my servants, no power over them shall you have; And the
Lord will be their sufficient guardian.”
It is your Lord who speeds onward the ships for you in the sea,
that you may seek of his abundance; for he is merciful towards you.
When a misfortune befalls you out at sea, they whom you invoke
are not to be found: God alone is there: yet when he brings you
safe to dry land, you place yourselves at a distance from Him.
Ungrateful is man.
What! Are you sure, then, that he will not cleave the sides of the
earth for you? Or that he will not send against you a whirlwind
charged with sands? Then you shall find no protector.
Or are you sure that he will not cause you to put back to sea a
second time, and send against you a storm blast, and drown you,
for that you have been thankless? Then shall you find no helper
against us therein.
And now have we honored the children of Adam: by land and by
sea have we carried them: food have we provided for them of good
things, and with endowments beyond many of our creatures have
we endowed them.
One day we will summon all men with their leaders: they whose
book shall be given into their right hand, shall read their book,
and not be wronged a thread:
And he who has been blind here, shall be blind hereafter, and
wander yet more from the way.
And, verily, they had well nigh beguiled thee from what we
revealed to thee, and caused thee to invent some other thing in our
name: but in that case they would surely have taken thee as a
friend; And had we not settled thee, thou hadst well nigh leaned to them a
little:
In that case we would surely have made thee taste of woe in life
and of woe in death: then thou should not have found a helper
against us.
And truly they had almost caused thee to quit the land, in order
wholly to drive thee forth from it: but then, themselves should
have tarried but a little after thee.
This was our way with the Apostles we have already sent before
thee, and in this our way thou shalt find no change.
Observe prayer at sunset, till the first darkening of the night, and
the daybreak reading for the daybreak reading hath its
witnesses,
And watch unto it in the night: this shall be an excess in service:
it may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a glorious station:
And say, “O my Lord, cause me to enter with a perfect entry,
and to come forth with a perfect forthcoming, and give me from thy
presence a helping power:”
And SAY: Truth is come and falsehood is vanished. Verily,
falsehood is a thing that vanished.
And we send down of the Koran that which is a healing and a
mercy to the faithful: But it shall only add to the ruin of the
wicked.
When we bestow favours on man, he withdraws and goes aside;
but when evil touches him, he is despairing.
SAY: Every one behaves after his own manner: but your Lord well
knows who is best guided in his path.
And they will ask thee of the Spirit. SAY: The Spirit proceeds
at my Lord’s command: but of knowledge, only a little to you is
given.
If we pleased, we could take away what we have revealed to thee:
none could thou then find thee to undertake thy cause with us,
Save as a mercy from thy Lord; great, verily, is his favour towards
thee.
SAY: Verily, were men and Djinn assembled to produce the like of
this Koran, they could not produce its like, though the one should
help the other.
And of a truth we have set out to men every kind of similitude in
this Koran, but most men have refused everything except unbelief.
And they say, “By no means will we believe on thee till thou cause
a fountain to gush forth for us from the earth;
Or, till thou have a garden of palm-trees and grapes, and thou
cause forth-gushing rivers to gush forth in its midst;
Or thou make the heaven to fall on us, as thou hast given out, in
pieces; or thou bring God and the angels to vouch for thee;
Or thou have a house of gold; or thou mount up into Heaven; nor
will we believe in thy mounting up, till thou send down to us a
book which we may read.” SAY: Praise be to my Lord! Am I more
than a man, an apostle?
And what hindereth men from believing, when the guidance hath
come to them, but that they say, “Hath God sent a man as an
apostle?”
SAY: Did angels walk the earth as its familiars, we had surely sent
them an angel-apostle out of Heaven.
SAY: God is witness enough between you and me. His servants He
scanneth, eyeth.
And He whom God shall guide will be guided indeed; and whom
he shall mislead thou shalt find none to assist, but Him: and we
will gather them together on the day of the resurrection, on their
faces, blind and dumb and deaf: Hell shall be their abode: so oft
as its fires die down, we will rekindle the flame.
This shall be their reward for that they believed not our signs and
said, “When we shall have become bones and dust, shall we surely
be raised a new creation?”
Do they not perceive that God, who created the Heavens and the
Earth, is able to create their like? And he hath ordained them a
term; there is no doubt of it: but the wicked refuse everything
except unbelief.
SAY: If ye held the treasures of my Lord’s mercy ye would
certainly refrain from them through fear of spending them: for
man is covetous.
We therefore gave to Moses nine clear signs. Ask thou, therefore,
the children of Israel how it was when he came unto them, and
Pharaoh said to him, “Verily, I deem thee, O Moses, a man
enchanted.”
Said Moses, “Thou knowest that none hath sent down these clear
signs but the Lord of the Heavens and of the Earth; and I surely
deem thee, O Pharaoh, a person lost.”
So Pharaoh sought to drive them out of the land; but we drowned
him and all his followers.
And after his death, we said to the children of Israel, “Dwell ye in
the land:” and when the promise of the next life shall come to
pass, we will bring you both up together to judgment. In truth have
we sent down the Koran, and in truth hath it descended, and we
have only sent thee to announce and to warn.
And we have parceled out the Koran into sections, that thou
might recite it unto men by slow degrees, and we have sent it
down piecemeal.
SAY: Believe ye therein or believe ye not? They verily to whom
knowledge had been given previously, fall on their faces
worshipping when it is recited to them, and say: “Glory be to God!
the promise of our Lord is made good!”
They fall down on their faces weeping, and It increaseth their
humility.
SAY: Call upon God (Allah), or call upon the God of Mercy
(Arrahman), by whichsoever ye will invoke him: He hath most
excellent names. And be not loud in thy prayer, neither pronounce
it too low; but between these follow a middle way:
And SAY: Praise be to God who hath not begotten a son, who hath
no partner in the Kingdom, nor any protector on account of
weakness. And magnify him by proclaiming His greatness.
Bird, just to answer you, I attempted it, read lots and couldn’t get it finished.
To me it read like something from Arabian nights, I couldn’t understand how some of it could be taken seriously, when I got to the part where a man was rewarded with a bunch of virgin girls, I said, ok, why not? Then I found out the virgins had never been touched by man or geni, that was enough, I chucked the book.
Im not singling out Moslem, the same stuff is found elsewhere in popular western religions , its just hard for me to understand how anyone could consider seriously some of that stuff, and its even harder for me to read thru such “fantasy” when I know people actually study the stuff to worship it.
If I want fantasy the stories of Arabian Nights is pretty good actually
A thousand and one nights too I guess.
I guess to answer your question, I tried, but no.
Thanks for that BM. Very informative. Last para’s interesting because some Christians don’t see Jesus as ‘the Son of God’ in the literal sense that others do. Furthermore the word messiah in relation to Jesus means ‘an anointed prince’ rather than to infer that someone has the genetic make-up of God Himself! On put another way we may safely regard all humanity as being sons and daughters of God/Allah. Yes? I know I could be upsetting an applecart here with some of the seriously born-again believers. So I’ll speak softly! Ah well c’est la vie.
Hope you continue to stay safe., A
What little Islamic terrorism there may be is commanded by the Gods and grand masters of terrorism and genocide. Almost all the non Islamic terrorism and genocide is commanded by the Gods and grand masters of terrorism and genocide. Who are these Gods and grand masters? They are Jews and their Allies in Freemasonry. That is just the way it is.
Now if there were no Jews their cousins in the Islamic world would fill the void but right now the genocidal maniacs and terrorists in chief are headquartered in Tel Aviv, New York and London and they are well financed and protected by their colonial slave governments in North America and Europe. If those colonial slave governments were truly serious about fighting genocide and terrorism they would deport all the Jews and Muslims to the middle east and cut off funding, technology and diplomatic recognition from Jewish and Muslim countries. Also non whites ,Semites included would have to be banned from immigrating to Eurasia and North America on pain of death. If those countries make trouble over it then military sanctions could be implemented as a punitive measure. The freedom and independence of White nations must be safe guarded no matter what the cost.
I wish the natives of North America could do this to the WHITE Anglos for all of their hatred, their EXTERMINATION, their cowardly way to refuse to know their own history.
THE PROTOCOLS of the ELDERS of WASP – exterminate the men, use the females for pleasure, reproducing babies, take their territory, deport them to miserable locales until resources are discovered there and then uproot them again and kill them.
THE ANGLO WAY = THE SPANISH WAY = exterminate all and blame the Jew!!!
Is there a race the WHITE Anglo MURDERERS have not attempted to exterminate????
It is evident that the White Man In North America is slowly going the way of the dodo.
More and more do not want to have babies. They want to have tattoos and smoke their cigarettes and drink their alcohol. In parts of South East Florida, South West US, California, Texas, the Anglos is going the way of the dodo.
I am only stating fact. The invasion along the US South border, the invasion into Florida, the demographics, and in Anglo countries, there is a lack of above ground gold. Canada has a lot of below ground resources and oil so its currency is much better than the US currency. At least in theory. It will take a lot of $$$$ to explore and produce the gold and silver. Who will finance it? China, Russia?? and in the end they will be repaid in gold and silver.
The Anglo world is under attack. In less than 8 years, an Anglo American will NOT be selected first at Walt Disney or Miami Zoo or Sawgrass or Dolphin Mall. Those jobs will go to Latinos. Same for a lot of jobs at airline counters.
So you support white Genocide??
Anti-whites like you are a dime a dozen. Hypocrites. And promoting the evil you claim to condemn (when its convenient)
NO I do NOT support White genocide. I support outing the attempts at extermination by the Anglo while posting that Israel’s actions in Gaza are genocide while denying the genocidal acts of his own tribe.
White nations are commanded by Jews and Freemasons. Jews and Freemasons are in league with Lucifer and do not serve the interests of the God of the Bible or white people. Jews and Freemasons are anti white!
However regarding England, I will have to give it some thought
I gave it some thought.
Nuke it. Go for it. But first we must remove Richard Kemp, Douglass Murray, Melanie Phillips, a few more beforehand.
I will add that I would use the burnt out parts to light me cigar.
I know where I’d stick that cigar Johnny come lately.
Only veterans of the site get a voice, Reverend? I think we need a little new blood around here.
Totally agree BM.
do not count on it wetback the biggest ass kickn in the history of the world is sooner than you think mexico has done nothing but freeload and steal from the usa. all this pro mexi lying is just that.
After reading some of the discussions and considering the world; it appears that maybe the belief in original sin is quite appropriate. I’ve never seen such a disruptive world in my lifetime with disparate political systems/religious systems attempting to impose their wills for their own ultimately selfish ends. Truely, it appears that in many conflicts, increasingly, the means justify the ends. The globe is now a smoldering tinderbox. I wonder what wind of evil will ultimately fan its’ flames.
Richard, does having never seen such a disruptive world have anything to do with freer access to info? The internet maybe?
100s and thousands of years ago there were great wars going on pretty much every continent, but people never herd of them, today, the world is much smaller, a war in palistine might affect N.America for example.
My point of course, has anything ever changed?
Good people do good things
Bad people do bad things
Religon makes good people do bad things
dumb people do dumb things
religion has saved the Mexican/native American/muslim ect we will soon see if the bible is true. shall not be long. everyone is intitled to follow whom they want. do not cry on anyones shoulder but your own.
Einstein once mentioned for a genius he sure did dum things.
I think its human nature.
We will soon see if the bible is true?
There is lots of “true” in the bible, and lots of hogwash if you ask me and 1/2 truths too.
One true thing for example would be Moses commiting the genocide, we know this from archeological digs, but the story is told by the victors of course, a 1/2 truth is the story of Noah, it happened, but there were thousands of boats, the landmass is also confused, the Noah story is for kids I believe, but it happened.
Just my opinion I guess.
As for the hogwash, let each decide for themselves, the Moslems believe in Genis for example, so who knows what is in the bible for Christians to believe?
Hello, Richard.
An important part of being successful in the market is being able to apply critical thinking to discern reality from holographic vatican/CIA gov mafia propaganda lies. You and especially Bob Moriaty did this, and that was the reason I tuned in. But reading the comments here, it strikes me how many commentators lack this ability of critical thinking and indulge in the propaganda fed to them and the malice that results.
I warned Al about his Jew-baiting. But he insists in indulging nazis like “Andrew de Berry (Rev)”. Now he’s got the mental cases out in force.
Best to step aside and leave them to their sordid fate.
I’m out.
I cannot post on this topic anymore either. It is pointless tail chasing and not so subtle racism and hatred being expressed. Honestly, I think the topic drives more people away from the site than it attracts.
Jesus, thanks for the post. I often don’t get “ensnarled” in issues where there are no winners. I see the point of both sides and there are good p thinking and positions not recognizing legitimate points of our antagonists. The important thing is when discussing contentious issues is to respect the people you disagree with and not make the dialogue personal. In complicated situations like the Israeli/palestinian issue, there are no winners and will be no winners since both sides have elements that are extreme and often may control the will of the “silent majority”. There are certain people that don’t want resolution but want to impose their will—-that implies no solution.
“Jew=Baiting”?
Glad you are stepping out!
OUR MIGHTY LORD GOD CHRIST JESUS IS…..
GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
And when my Great Savior Lord God Christ Jesus returns this time.
He is returning with…..GREAT POWER AND GLORY !!!!!!
His kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven.
Exciting times are coming for those that believe.
We will pass from here into eternity if you are a believer.
GODS FREE GIFT. This is no time to lose your inheritance.
You never want to lose your inheritance regardless.
Amen HH. I’m wondering if ‘Jesus’ and Johnny come lately are one and the same. Anyway ‘Jesus’ says he’s out. Bird says the same. Interesting times on Al’s site as much as anything. But you’re right HH, irrational rage/hate is what we can expect to see in these ‘end’ times. People eaten up by rage and terror – all terribly sad.
I totally agree brother Andrew.
The world waxes cold in the final days.
I’m sure you don’t have many fears. God
is in control.
HE’S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS.
Thats a song. Instead of all this hate we should
be singing it.
Anyway brother, the new world to come will be a
party for eternity.
OUR BLESSED HOPE ANDREW !!!! And a brand new Aston Martin. ; )
Yes, wroom, vroom away – heaven’s gonna be such bliss after all the lunacy now going on. Divine contempt from hereon out!
A place like a heaven would be boring as all get out.
Andrew…zoom..zoom…we gettin out of here. ..lol
bb….thats why there is a hell God doesn’t want you
to be unhappy.
We send ourselves to hell, not God.
You have my blessing
bb Not if there’s a few Aston Martins parked up there!
+1 Rev
Best to you,
LPG
Thanks pal.,A
The US is a third world country, a country of catch phrases, with a holy than thou attitude still intent on telling the rest of the world what is the best for them? Just Incredible.
give a crap what you want
Does nobody talk about gold anymore?
Matthew not here but when he returns he’s always happy to discuss gold.
So stick around !!!!! Patience my friend. ; )
Yeah sure, that gives me no confidence at all. He has cute charts but they fail to deliver again and again. The choir of adoring gold lovers eat his stuff up though. There is no accounting for how many losses some gold buyers can take before they finally just cash out in exasperation. But they need a cheerleader. All religions need a choir director and a songbook to follow.
Happy days are here again BM.
And brother Andrew is in the middle of it all.
A BIG LOVE TRIANGLE !!!!!
Regarding Matthew. He’s not only the best gold analyst on this
site, he could possibly be the best renowned expect in the world.
Maybe that’s going over the top but he knows his gold business.
OK….. ; )
Agree 100% HH. Besides like your good self Matthew’s an absolute gentleman. I’ve written to Al to say some of the other lunatics on this site are the ones who need banishing…not yourself. lol. Mind you when you get removed from a site shows we’re no longer teacher’s pet!!! lol. A
Just my opinion Andrew, but I would like to see more varied opinions, I gotta say I really appreciate the input on PMs etc, but this kinda thread I feel “breaks the bordum” at times, and there are so many diffeant opinions about the religious stuff, I find them interesting.
The guy that scares me the most is you.lol, I have not liked any religions as you might have been able to tell, but what scares me about you is you have givin me a clue or two that I might fall into a “Christian” category.
Obviously I am going to look for any evidence to dispute that. lol.
But I don’t find anyone that should be gone, wish their were more varied ideas around.
Gold is in decline this morning. Is that what you mean by happy days? 😉
bb we’re all travelling hopefully. Quite likely there are many far better people than me out there who aren’t Christians! lol again. Best, A
Birdman,
Hope you are well!
Jody D
Many thanks Jody. Doing about as well as can be expected. What are your thoughts about peak people (overpopulation)? I brought the issue up yesterday because the chart on population is such an easy one to read in my opinion. I am convinced we are marching directly into an inevitable correction although I have no idea when it will arrive. My suspicions are that the declines will begin with the next major pandemic (long overdue) and accelerate from there on afterwards as ethnic and resource wars become more dominant themes. Nobody wants to discuss this though. They are pretty much in denial that chart behavior can also be applied to people! Fact is, what goes up always comes down again. How it happens does not even matter, only that it is almost a rule of nature that excesses always correct back to their averages of sustainability. Our human population crash cannot be avoided therefore but only forestalled. Complexity dictates the limits to how long the inevitable can be held back and it is why large wars are such a risk because what is inherent in them is that reliable systems tend to break down as conflicts increase.
Here is a nearly perfect example of what the end of “Peak People” looks like. (For those who are wondering, it will not resolve itself as a bell curve!). Basically it is the same as any other chart that has grown exponentially and gone parabolic.
In the aftermath, a decline of major proportions has taken place and balance is restored as the excess of the past has been reduced back to sustainable levels that match a long term trend line.
History will probably record a chart similar to this one after the population bubble has burst. This is not theory. All bubbles eventually burst. All parabolic moves mean-revert. Excesses in one direction are resolved by excesses in the other.
Some may not accept the idea. That is too bad because they only delude themselves given the knowledge we all possess regarding the shape and development of parabolas and curves. Any good technical analyst can look at the population curve of today and probably come up with a reasonable estimate of when the peak will actually arrive. I am betting we have less than 50 years on the clock.
What do you think?
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Jim Rogers says all parabolic moves end badly!…………For a fascinating read into the mystery of bubbles and parabolic moves, I have an older article to link. It is commentary from the legendary Jim Rogers dated April 20, 2011 almost literally on the date that silver peaked.
In a brief interview on Financial Survival Network, Jim said he did not believe gold or silver were yet parabolic. We know differently in retrospect however and the charts are quite clear using 20/20 hindsight.
At the time of his interview though, Jim felt that triple digit silver was still lying ahead. So how is it that one of the worlds savviest investors could not see a parabola when it was staring him in the face and how is it he could not sell at the top?
His comments offer just a hint as to why NOBODY will be prepared when the population bubble bursts and might help us understand how parabolas can baffle even the experts. It is not just that they cannot recognize the shape of the curve for what it is (but more to the point), that they don’t even believe a bad event is even possible!
Maybe they think technology will save us. A close inspection of the chart however reveals it was actually technology that got us in the pickle in the first place. Just note when steam power, the cotton gin, vaccinations, modern medicine and the combustion engine were introduced. At each point our population took a rocket ride up.
Jim Rogers says all parabolic moves end badly, gold & silver are not yet in a bubble (!)
http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=52256&t=1&cg=4
So markets are forward looking. The investors who make up the group that determine what happens to daily price levels are some of the savviest people alive. It takes a unique ability to look at current data and information and then extrapolate what that means into the future that makes a good trader great.
So how will the population collapse motivate the best minds?
Those of you on the sidelines need to carefully watch what is happening in the agriculture sector in the coming few years. I am not the only person who has made observations on the state of the global population boom nor am I the first to attempt to model and analyze the outcomes.
I believe select agricultural land with water resources and timber will see a boom market. I think communal organizations will see a resurgence similar to those we witnessed during the 1960’s and 70’s. And I think these will be formed for the most part secretly or by collections of people who keep their real business to themselves.
Every single person who reads the posts on this topic that I have left in the last few days knows in his heart I am close to correct about how this bubble will burst. None of us here is stupid. All of us read charts and appreciate the energy constraints of the globe and the resource limitations in conjunction with a rapid burst of growth in humanity.
We all understand exponential math (or should) and not one amongst us would even be surprised that this is a topic we should be giving serious consider. Why? Because we have all given it thought already. We already know how this plays out.
Call it the Four Horsemen and the Apocolypse if you like. The plot is simple. There is an aggressor or a disease we call conquest. It is followed by the horses of war, of famine and then of death, Too dramatic? Why should it be? That is the essential theme that has run throughout history already but it is one that has been forgotten during this long period of peace and development we have all enjoyed.
For those of you who doubt I am serious I suggest you go back and look at the Pop curve once again. Try projecting it out in time and draw your own conclusions. How far do you think it will run before it terminates? Thirty years? Forty Years? One hundred years?
Your guess is as good as mine.
I do like the idea of the…POP CURVE…. lol
Then comes. WHACK A BUBBLE……
Get the heck out of the way….lol
Good one HH. Ha! We should be laughing if this was not so obvious a chart. I am not even a doom and gloom type but I totally get the Preppers these days after reviewing the data. Now I appreciate better why they are all buying water filters and solar systems. When the population POPS there won’t be anyone around to keep the lights on anymore. Running water will be a luxury enjoyed by people living next to a creek and if you don’t know how to do your own dental work you could die of a rotten tooth like they did in the old times (you know…like in Grans days last century). Anyway, no big deal. Make peace with the maker I suppose. We all gotta go sometime.
Well Bird, I’m just cruisin, embracing as much humor as I can, keeping
my chin up….
AND WHEN …WHACK A BUBBLE SHOWS UP….who knows when.
In the meantime …Gotta keep enjoying my life.
At least Bird, you know how to get out of your own way.
Writing is there on the wall staring at us in the face.
BTW….your posts are incredible and …MUCHO GRANDE…informative.
Quite frankly, I don’t know how you do it.
If its a secret, thats OK….I have a few myself.
A wild guess…maybe you are eating a lot of WHEATIES..
Breakfast of Champions…lol.
Well, keep it up ….Champ. ; )
With bananas makes a great breakfast!
Well thanks HH. Until I saw your post I actually thought I was just talking to myself. Everyone here just wants to talk about Gaza lately. To a Moth, every bright candle looks like it is the sun and so they rush towards it and circle the flame until they burn themselves out. I guess news really does drive sentiments sometimes!
Trust me Bird, you don’t know the half of it!
Your welcome Bird. Its so difficult to comment sometimes
to posters comments here there are so many posts. Also
I can’t seem to leave either. Once I come in, its takes several
days to exit.
You posted the Koran yesterday. Up until yesterday I had no
idea what it said. Not even a clue just something about having
20 virgins one day after this life. lol…not even certain regarding
that.
Anyway, I do appreciate all the wealth of information you post
and all the gifted thoughts from you that is posted.
Even on this last post to me. EXCELLENT’E !!!!!!
Well, MUCHO GRANDE.. MAN !!!!!!! lol….seriously though
; )
Yes brother Andrew.
Its maybe unfortunate but I’m a bad person and never want to think
of myself as anything good. I learned a lot with through my strife and
relationship with The Lord. My pastor who is a man of God made me
realize who I really am. Many years ago he said and admitted he was
a bad person. I told him, no way. You pastor who spends his time in
prayer meetings for those in need. Took me a few years to realize that
I’m not anything good. Long story but regarding Matthew he has been
so patient with being debated on this site. All his posts regarding debates
and with JJ too. Matthew excels in leadership. He’s not a follower. Key
to being successful with investing.
Catch you on the rebound… ; )
And you’re probably off to the next party…Andrew. lol
Party hearty..
Looks like you got your hands full now Andrew.
bb has a few questions.
BTW…bb… Christianity, religions …if it isn’t about the love for all people
and the love for Jesus ….its New Age or a form of a cult.
Brother Andrew is correct walking in Jesus ways.
My thinking is different than your HH, you have this idea of “love for Jesus” ok, my way of thinking is “love is the fabric from which all realities are woven”.
I see Jesus as talking about the same thing others have been saying for thousands of years before Jesus walked the earth.
For me, Jesus isn’t the point, its what he talked about, his story has been repeated many times, its h story that is the point.
I understand, that whenever this story plays out, the main characters become the focus of a rligion
(submitted and shouldnt have)
the main character becomes the focus of a religion, but its the story.
Why would it be told to us over and over if there wasn’t something to it.
The deception of the religions is things like, “the only way” etc.
This causes people to miss the point and allow psychopaths to take advantage.
Just how I see it, I do not take anything away from Jesus, I also attribute more to him than other people. At least that’s what I have found.
Calling him, giving him, the powers of a “god” to me, is missdirection.
BB….JESUS IS OUR GREAT AND HOLY SAVIOR.
Need to start with that first. If that part is rejected
there is nothing more to discuss. It’s cut and dried.
Appreciate your posts but forgive me the foundations
of the world comes from The Lord.
You have my blessing bb. ; )
Also brother Andrew,
My only objective here with all the struggles on this site for me
anyway was to clean it up. Matthew couldn’t post without constantly
being attacked.
The site moderators can cut my cord anytime they like. Not perfect by
far but I will continue to defend what I believe is ethical. Calling people
names and demoralizing others is not a place to be. I am guilty myself
only to give these posters a taste of their own medicine. In the name of
cleaning up the site.
Best wishes and blessings to you always brother Andrew. ; )
I understand your thinking HH.
Sure cant say I agree.
Be a real drag tho if everyone were the same.
Well bb, stay out of trouble.
My concern is ending up in a bad place for eternity.
I’ve already done enough damage in my life. My sins
are covered.
Anyway, we should.never like/embrace sin. We can all
have different character and I agree.
Be good !!!! : )
So true bb. That would be a real drag. Like you I refuse to join anybody’s religious party and start singing from hymn books and chanting along with brainwashing themes. So much bullsh*t that was made for weak minds who can only get direction from outside because nothing of substance generates internally. If I had to choose though…better to be a priest than a parishioner.
I tend to agree with you Bird, but people gotta believe in something, I think all roads lead to Rome, as they say.
I like to think that eventually, everyone finds peace.
As for this “lifetime” lol, I would just like to find a few more profitable stocks.
Or an imam BM?!
If I were head of the Church of England….I would make you kneel and kiss the ring.
Isn’t that someone who’s anal BM?
You mean SO anal. You need to capitalize the word SO to sound properly Gay I think.
Common Bird!
Bird you really must try and grow up. If as I’m supposing you’re in your seventies your schoolboy vulgarity suggests you’ve got a serious problem.
Maybe I misunderstood your humour, Andrew. I thought you were being funny.
I think we should nuke the world then we can all hold hands and dance and sing in heaven……………….come on
Those where the good ole days of love and peace.
Not anymore. Its drive by’s, war and hate.
Good you tube video. DA JA VU !!!!!!! ; )
As of today, gold is almost dead center its 2014 trading range but it is tightening and getting ready for a big move. But will that move be up or down? As the commodity sector keeps falling the question that begs to be answered is if gold will join the pack in declines or will it abruptly break out to the upside.
Perhaps the major commodities are all close to reversing and going higher…..or maybe they will keep falling. There is an outside possibility that resource prices staying flat or remaining on a bearish trend will be the fuel that feeds higher corporate earnings next year.
We cannot rule anything out. If we can conclude that stock markets will push higher in 2015 after the price correction which is currently in play concludes then we must also consider that lower input costs for production will play a role in those rising stock prices. And that could be a negative for gold as it will take an unusual set of circumstances to see it break free from the sector as a whole and fly alone.
Maybe commodities that have gone down will stay down quite a lot longer than even I believe. Maybe we are already in a commodity bear but do not yet know it with certainty because the popular view is that gold and silver will resume their bull trend. For some resources, these falls have gone longer than three years already.
Does anyone really know for certain what lies ahead? 1000 dollar gold or 1400? You decide.
Oh, I certainly agree. Even Rick R. said if war breaks out in the M.E.
taking down Dubai center of gold buying gold could plummet.
Always a wall of worry though. I’m done buying anything gold. I’m
at the bottom. Backed up all the Mack trucks and even the freight
trains.
Unless its micro mini juniors for a few cents a share.
Gold is not my focus for new investment money. Uranium stocks
are dirt cheap. Coal stocks are breaking out. Russian stocks are
a bargain. Not to friendly on that trade. Corn is a buy. Wheat as
well.
ALWAYS ANOTHER TRAIN COMING THROUGH THE STATION.
Just a ton of opportunities with so many sectors out there.
I’m invested in gold but who cares with all the other opportunities.
Its redundant. !!!!! screw gold. lol…you can buy cow patties as long as you bank $$$$$$$
AS THE ITALIANS WOULD SAY……FORGET ABOUT IT. !!!!!!
I’ve been taking advantage of Coal & Uranium stocks selectively also HH.
It may well take awhile before paying off…but worth a speculative punt imo.
Cheers.
Skeeta…EXCELLENT’E….
Personally, I’m not into buying anything after a market has moved up.
Gold has moved up and thats it for me. Not into any risk whatsoever.
Would not short gold or go long right here. Not into shorting. Unless
euphoria really sets in. Not selling anything gold either.
Uranium trade is in stage one base bottom at bargain prices. Must be
patient but it looks very promising and very little downside. This is on a
scale 1 to 10….a strong 8.5 or higher investment opportunity. Doesn’t
get much better than that.
Coal stocks are already breaking out and would wait for a pull back to
close to bargain prices again before purchasing.
So whatever you’re doing is purdy much a bulls eye. Patience required
as you know.
No guarantees but you can’t invest risk free in anything but buying
at bottoms is very reassuring. Otherwise my capitol stays in the bank.
I never chase anything. Its all about patience and waiting for the opportunity
to come to you.
Good job Skeeta…hope you paid bargain prices for your coal stocks.
Cheers and a big salute to you !!!!! ; )
A punt into the unknown Skeets.
Al, you are a genius! Economics boring? Gold, silver and pm stocks going nowhere? Throw in religion and politics and the posters come out of the woodwork!
Have to keep the numbers up………good for business………..
Bet the numbers are down and falling. Gold is such a stooges asset class lately. Most of the adoring gold fans have long since abandoned the site and gone back to polishing golf balls or whatever it is they do for a living.
As well they should have, the hangers in have missed a fantastic bull.
Recognizing a change in fundamentals is not an easy thing to do.
If you shorted ,,,,like some say they have,,,,,they are smiling……..:)
The Three Stooges made fortunes.
So did Bozo The Clown.
ITS NOT ALL BAD !!!!!!
We need MOE OF AL, to guide us out of this mess………
You getting more ideas from your daughter!
You tink ? Jerry….
Maybe we should talk sometime….lol
I was joking on Moe………..Yes, I agree we should talk sometime.
Hello Moe, …….Larry, told me to do that, ……..Best Curly
Jerry. ……you missed by a long shot ..
I’m Bozo The Clown. lol
that is why they call me the LONG..
Jerry…..
I never thought of that….lol
Maybe we can discuss sometime… ootb…
Always a classic…Jerry…. ; )
HH……ootb…………..out of the box……………
Ha ha Jerry….
Classic….
Then ..the Coinland report….
Awefully creative….
I need a price on a MS67 PCGS OR NGC 1795 FLOWING HAIR DOLLAR.
Ha ha…..how many millions lol….
HH……..I know you have been To Heritage ….there are some coming up for auction, from one of the great collectors , which will be over the next 18 months.
The Flowing Hairs , and Large cents……..are a favorite in any condition…….especially if in limited supply.
Did you buy anything from the NEWMAN COLLECTION
HH…NOTE…..Not sure of the grade on the Flowing hairs….since there are only about 7 known on the Higher scale………I am not sure there are any MS 67…but, like you said , going to take some deep pockets.
Ya Jerry I thought this thread would pass on…lol
Anyway, Heritage auction is an outstanding firm.
Not pro active right now at all Jerry. Newman
Collection I was aware of though. I recieve all
their emails on sales etc.
I absolutely love all the early stuff. Thats all I would
ever buy. Could write a book on all the great early
coins. I mean it would be a very long story to cover
here.
On the flowing hair dollar I mentioned ms 67 because
not sure if any exist. Wouldn’t be too hard to find out
but it was my dry humor again. No need. Anyway, 1794
I know they don’t exist if my memory is worth anything.
I really enjoy that market with these beautiful coins. Its
a pain though dealing with the business acquiring/liquidating
very rare piece’s. Anyway, you know how it is out there.
You have to play dealer to get any deals and thats a pain too.
Anytime you want to discuss the hobby I’m all ears. Some
of the later date proofs in PROOF 70 are also fun to view.
Very long term holding you can’t lose. Its a very cyclical
business. Putting together sets is the best way to insure
success.
Fun hobby…Jerry….fun hobby
Technically speaking………to cover our case, in the event a dealer is reading……
Flowing Hair is 1793 only………….94-96 are Liberty Cap,….( this way it looks like we are
on top of the markets)………lol……………..
btw………do you collect currency?
Not actve anymore Jerry for a decade. Was involved
in Numismatics for over 20 years.
My memory now is shot regarding the dates. 1794 or 3.
Then you have a reeded edge too I believe.
Rarely meet anyone that knows anything about Numismatics
though. Its fun conversation only with The Amazing Jerry.
I got of it because of the pain negotiating, acquisitions and
liquidating. Way to much work.
I love looking at great coins though. Appreciate the beauty.
Not many can. Especially ole blondie…zip
nada ..lol gone with the wind …….
Hey..Jerry we have our own private thread here ..lol
The cone of silence….not too shabby. No noise.
Enjoy your conversation as well,…….
I still have an interest in coins and currency, …a lot of history in both.
Been collecting over 50 yrs. never sold anything but, 5 buffalo nickles to
shop keeper in Charleston SC., she was selling new quarters, and I thought
I would help her expand her line of interest.
You are correct, love to look at cartwheels in a proof coin, and mirror like coins, something rare , people just do not understand.
Thanking the Lord for your presents, and your conversation, you are truly refreshing
Wow Jerry…50 years never sold anything…
You are amazing. Not your average breed of cat.
SALUTE…even though I don’t drink but apple or orange juice. lol
Also thank you for the wonderful words too. Not only that Jerry
for brotherly fellowship and good friendship that is rare these days.
I told you, long time ago…YOU ARE THE M.F. MAN…..lol its true
though Jerry out of the highest respect.
Much better Christian than I…..as well.
Anyway, really enjoy numismatics on the high quality
pieces. Wreath cents are cool. 1793..all early gold.
High proofs like you said and beautiful to enjoy.
List is long including really rare seated dollars. Use to
attend the Long Beach shows. Knew all the big dealers
and they liked my business. Never told them but never
liked them at all. Business tactics and thats one reason
I’m gone. Several but don’t like catching wrong doing and
then dealing with it.
Richest blessing to you brother Jerry and hope we can remain
good friend’s. ; ) won’t be posting on the forums but will check
back here if you want to communicate. You know me by now ..lol
I love posting just no time. Got no debates either. Golds got one
direction and no need to do anything but cruise.
I believe it is the fanatical fridge of all religions who give the rest of the monotheist around the world a bad name, be they Muslim, Jew, Christian or the varies religions of the Far East.
In a more perfect we would abide in peace with one another and let God be the judge. Yet, because religions are based on blind faith and distinguished primary by ritual, the followers (especially the uneducated or brainwashed) of the various religions are easily manipulated under the auspices of God worship by those who actually worship money and lust for power. So it is that much of the human suffering today in the Middle East has very little to do with God, and more to do with oil–and the riches that come to those who control it.