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Political Commentary re: The Finstein Show

Big Al
December 10, 2014

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For the record: We at the Korelin Economics Report do not condone illegal torture of prisoners.

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14 Comments
    Dec 10, 2014 10:37 PM

    I always appreciate Roger’s commentary but the documents MUST come out. It is important to shed a light on evil. I can’t believe there are officials or people actually defending torture. All this does is give a green light to everyone else. What a black mark on America and the “free” world.

    It is simple, if you lose the higher ground, you are wallowing in the pits. Aren’t we all better than this? There is no excuse. You can’t say you were following orders. Remember Nuremberg. People should be tried for this. They committed war crimes.

    I am looking forward to hear what Bob Moriarty has to say.

      Dec 10, 2014 10:22 PM

      I know what he is going to say. You will not be surprised.

    bb
    Dec 10, 2014 10:16 PM

    I wonder what the point of bringing this up now is?

    Good to see it brought to more of the average guys attention that it happening.
    Really tho, this torture has been known about for many years and the American people have done nothing to stop it. They havnt even wanted to talk about it.
    So, the discussion is a step in the right direction I think.

    I wonder when they address the Polish torture sites

    I wonder how many more exist that people really don’t know about.

    Dec 10, 2014 10:04 PM

    Finestein’s testimony just coincidentally was released as a diversionary tactic knowing what would be an exhaustive Gruber’s testimony before committee so that MSM could focus on old Bush issues of interrogation and not be complicit with the Dems in avoiding the pathology of Obamacare.

      Dec 10, 2014 10:08 PM

      Good point Marty!

    Dec 10, 2014 10:03 PM

    Saying this is an issue of Democrats versus Republicans completely misses what is really important. It is like arguing about the color of the car after it has run over you and you lay bleeding on the street. I think anyone who falls into this Dem versus Rep argument is being played.

    Focus on the torture. It is a crime. It shouldn’t have happened and it should never happen again. People need to be held accountable, whether they are Democrats, Republicans or whatever….

    I am sure there were people from all parties guilty of it. The US has to set an example as the self imposed leaders of the free world. If this goes right to the top, so be it. There is no credibility until they do so…..

    As it stands now, the terrorists have won. Even if it goes to the top, America will survive this but if nothing is done America loses any moral high ground it had remaining and becomes a joke around the world.

      Dec 10, 2014 10:10 PM

      I agree Paul W. But, I think that the Democrats have tried to turn it into a D vs R issue because of the timing.

      Remember what KER “on the record stance” is!

    Bob
    Dec 10, 2014 10:06 PM

    I would be interested in receiving a couple copies of Rogers newsletter. Thanks

      Dec 10, 2014 10:11 PM

      Please send me you e-mail address so we can take care of that. (alkorelin@gmail.com)

    bj
    Dec 10, 2014 10:33 PM

    Roger, it was wrong to end “the conversation 2 years ago”, period. This crap about never looking back is just political hogwash–and we here it every time either party takes back control. This torture issue is just the latest example of how we see government abuses laid to rest by the political elite with comments like ‘we must move on and face the problems before us’.

    The irony of course is that because we never hold those responsible for what they did, they are still there doing more damage or waiting their turn to do more damage when they regain control. In that regard, we have bipartisanship on steroids. Neither party ever wants to spend time undoing the damage done by the other–they’re K-Street masters will have not of that.,

    The political elite never want to prosecute their own because beneath the surface. Washington DC is one big incestuous family. First and foremost, they will protect each other from prosecution–the Keating Five comes to mind as but one simple example of how they insulate themselves from prosecution– maybe because they would all hang together if they don’t ‘hang together’.

    Even so, it’s never too late to hope for prosecutions of those who violate not only our Constitution and duly enacted statutes, but the Geneva Convention and international laws regarding war crimes. I sometimes wonder if the Berlin Wall didn’t come tumbling down because we won anything, but because we became so much them that there was no point separating us from the “Evil Empire”..

    Dec 10, 2014 10:53 PM

    I’ve endured mental torture every day for 2+ decades now….

    ….but today’s polite society call it marriage instead.

    cfs
    Dec 11, 2014 11:47 AM

    Feinstein is a corrupt political moron.

    Thank God she was not in power during world war II.

    She lies with ease.l
    Read last Saturday’s Wall Street Journal commentary by the ex-CIA directors and Deputy Directors.
    A western United States 9/11 equivalent attack was clearly stopped by information obtained.
    The Bali Indonesian attackers were caught because of the information obtained.

    If you don’t think the US is at WAR with the Islamo-Facists, YOU need to wake up, because clearly THEY HAVE declared war.

    cfs
    Dec 11, 2014 11:15 AM

    Also read the Geneva Convention. The US is NOT in violation.
    Those 3 cases of “enhanced interrogation” mnay disgust you, but they did NOT involve Prisoners of War; they invoilved caputured Terrorists.

    The planner of the 9/11 attack should not have suffered from simple waterboarding or sleep depravation, he should have been hung by the neck until dead. It was the information obtained from him that enabled the stopping of a western US repeat of 9/11 and the capture/killing by drone of the 17 terrorists who were planning that attack.
    I personally have problems with drone killings, but have absolutely no qualms of using sleep depravation to extract information.
    Compared with the deliberate killing of innocent civilians during World War II by both sides, any of the interrogation methods used by the US currently are nothing.
    Any country that is not prepared to accept the torture and or death of a minimal number of enemy people during a time of war does not deserve to win the war. Sorry, but that is how I feel.

      bj
      Dec 11, 2014 11:18 AM

      Interesting two post above CFS.

      1. Limiting enhanced interrogation to sleep deprivation is definitely an understatement of the facts.

      2. You say we are at war with the Islamo-Facists, but when we capture them you say they are not prisoners of war. Interesting dichotomy.

      (As a matter of fact, Congress haven’t declared war in over half a century. So am wondering about the court martials, etc that took place during the Vietnam ‘thing’ for misconduct on and off the battlefield regarding our treatment of the enemy–the definition of which was every bit as capricious as what’s going on today.)

      But on this we agree.

      Feinstein is every bit as corrupt as any politician–but let me add: no more than any other Senator..

      Also, those who did 911 need to be found and executed–just not sure who they were in all cases. You can extend that to any violent act against Americans on the high seas or open air space.

      Dare I digress: Funny that our good friends the Brits let the Pan Am bomber (terrorists) go free in the middle of BP’s negotiations with Libya, but when the deal fell apart a revolution pop up over there–and anarchy reins supreme over there to this day.

      BTW. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. We were hoodwink by the neocons into that one.
      Hope you not trying to carry water for the neocons because invading Iraq was probably the dumbest thing America has ever done with its military.It’s the SANFU that just keeeps on giving.