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From Gary Christenson, The Deviant Investor

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April 8, 2015

Silver Projection From Crude Oil and T-Bonds

Crude Oil is the world’s most important commodity as measured by dollar volume and wars fought to control it.

T-bonds are debt in the world’s reserve currency – the US dollar.  The market is huge and important.

What do crude oil and T-bonds say about the silver market?

Examine the log scale graph of monthly crude oil and note the circled lows.

X-crude

Examine the log scale graph of monthly T-bonds and note the circled highs.

X-Tbonds

Examine a graph of the ratio of Crude Oil to T-bonds since 1983 and note the circled lows.

Ratio

There have been 6 significant lows in this ratio in 30 years.  They are important and marked with red circles on the graph.

Lows in Crude/Bonds Ratio             Corresponding Silver Lows

Mar. 1986                                           May 1986

Dec. 1993                                          Feb. 1993

Nov. 1998                                          July 1997

Nov. 2001                                          Nov. 2001

Dec. 2008                                          Oct. 2008

Mar. 2015                                           Nov. 2014

Note the log scale graph of monthly silver since January 2000, the approximate beginning of the commodities bull market, the post 2000 NASDAQ crash era, and the military buildup post 9-11.  I have marked the lows in the Crude Oil to T-bonds ratio with red lines and circles.

Silver

The bottoms in the ratio and the major silver market bottoms for the past 15 years coincide almost exactly.  Why?  Aside from central bank management and High-Frequency-Trading concerns, crude represents real commodities and T-bonds represent debt based fiat paper currency.  In simple terms it is a conflict between real commodities and paper debt.  Silver represents real value and a physical commodity so a bottom in the real/paper ratio (crude to T-bonds) is consistent with bottoms in silver.

Expectations For 2015 – 2016:

T-bonds made a 3 sigma move higher in March based on the monthly data through Friday March 27.  The crude to T-bonds ratio hit an 11 year low.  Lows for the last 20 years in that ratio have marked important lows in crude oil and also important lows in silver since 2000.  

Maybe this time will be different, but I doubt it.  Expect crude oil and silver to rally substantially in 2015 – 2016.  

Read:

Steve St. Angelo  Banking Cartel’s Real Enemy:  Silver

David Stockman  Mania is Getting Scary – Central Bankers

 Gary Christenson

The Deviant Investor

GEChristenson.com

Discussion
71 Comments
    Apr 08, 2015 08:47 PM

    I think we will see a further collapse in the price of silver as gold becomes more important, gold is the backstop forget about the old gold to silver ratio.

      Apr 08, 2015 08:53 PM

      Not too sure about that, Machine Gun!

        Apr 08, 2015 08:20 PM

        Silver is an industrial metal more so now then the past, when the economy is in paralysis due to loss of purchasing power all base metals including silver will suffer.

          Apr 08, 2015 08:32 PM

          Watch as The US realizes that the Asians are going to back their currencies with gold, what does anyone think Washington will do. The signs of change are everywhere, Washington will put themselves on a gold standard. If they don’t do it soon the power of the orient will become obvious for all to see.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:38 PM

            There is definitely a West to East migration that many have covered happening for a while. The US, Switzerland, and Great Britain have sold much of their gold coins, bars, scrap gold, and ETF gold to the East over the last few years. That gold will not see the light of day again, and when people in the West finally wake up one day and do want to purchase large amounts of Gold, they’ll pay a pretty penny for it.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:20 PM

            Here is a link to an interesting article from Mickey Fulp:

            Why Gold Stocks Still Suck

            http://www.kitco.com/ind/fulp/2015-04-07-Why-Gold-Stocks-Still-Suck.html

            The interesting thing to me on in this article was the part mid-way down, where they analyzed 7 top Major Gold companies: Agnico Eagle, Barrick, Eldorado, Goldcorp, Newmont, Randgold, and Yamana;

            What they found was that over the 11 year period from 2003 to 2013 that none of them had a track record of making enough revenue to cover expenses, and all of them had to seek financing from alternative methods to continue their operations with record gold valuations. It is very telling to how much some of the larger producers missed the mark during the dramatic rise in pricing.

            This also demonstrates why the average investor is not interested in the space, because the leaders in the sector did not make hay when the sun was shining.

    Apr 08, 2015 08:56 PM

    If I had a nickel for every chart that showed why gold or silver were at their bottom…

      Apr 08, 2015 08:52 PM

      Me too, Wiseguy

      Apr 08, 2015 08:11 PM

      Take it with a grain of salt, wiseguy. Gary Christenson is in the all-bull, all the time camp. He’s just a really optimistic guy where metals are concerned. And so far he’s been totally wrong so I usually ignore everything he writes. That helps keep the confusion to the minimum.

        Apr 08, 2015 08:17 PM

        Then you have the ones who are all bear on gold.

        Hmmm..wonder who that might be….

          Apr 08, 2015 08:47 PM

          That would be me, Heavy. And my record is pretty darn good (if i can puff up a few feathers). I have not relied upon the analysis of anyone during this four year bear decline which is another way of saying I seek my own counsel.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:25 AM

            I hear ya. Rather hold myself responsible for investment decisions and
            you can’t relay on analyst’s.

            Wait till the wheels come off. Not seen anything yet. There are a lot of
            dreamers here. 1970’s is not anywhere on the radar. Not now. The new
            paradigm is going to shock everyone.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:49 AM

            HH……..you are correct on the do your own DD., Most analyst do not know their ……from the hole in the ground. just my rant of the day…………..J

            Apr 09, 2015 09:59 AM

            J…..Not sure if I’m correct. We just have to suit our
            own tolerances etc. Blaming someone else is worse
            than me making any errors. I can kick myself but not
            able to get my hands on the clown.

            From this hole ..to you. : )

            Apr 09, 2015 09:16 AM

            ditto on set our own tolerance….

            Apr 09, 2015 09:18 AM

            Btw…..I am reviewing Ezek 38..and 35. 1-9

            Apr 09, 2015 09:19 AM

            Got some great comments from L. Feldick concerning the above.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:23 AM

            Prophecy is exactly as todays news presents itself.

            Whats he saying J….

            Start looking up. ??? Redemption is close.

            Thanks…

            Apr 09, 2015 09:26 AM

            check out PSALMS 89 20-37

            Apr 09, 2015 09:29 AM

            PSALMS 83

            Apr 09, 2015 09:32 AM

            I will thanks J..

            Personally I’m looking forward to be away
            from all the B.S. here.

            The world is a big liar. Wait till it crumbles.

            Its all walking in darkness the faith in the world.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:32 AM

            These will reference the beginning of where the US, will not be involved at the end, but RUSSIA and Israel. May take a longer time than one thinks , just because it is in the LORDS timing.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:33 AM

            J….thats because America is wiped off the map.

            One theory of many.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:33 AM

            HH…..YOU are completely correct……….walking in dardness.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:34 AM

            dardness to darkness

            Apr 09, 2015 09:44 AM

            J…What about walking in ..damness.

            Most do. Cursing and swearing.

            Recently met a so called Christian but
            after I got to know him he was using
            foul language abusive and using doctrines
            of demons.

            The biggest threat to our Salvation is so
            called Christians.

            Have no choice but to turn away. Its a very
            narrow road.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:30 AM

            You will know they by their Fruits…………

            Apr 09, 2015 09:42 AM

            they to them

            Apr 09, 2015 09:19 PM

            Exactly…J…

      Apr 08, 2015 08:35 PM

      funny wiseguy. But I see where he is going with the T-Bills versus crude as an indicator for a silver bottom. However, those are very long range charts he is using without much detail on the short-term, and it may take 3 more months for his theory to play out. I just tend to think in a month or so Silver may see lower prices yet/

      We’ll see how it all shakes out soon enough.

        Apr 08, 2015 08:09 PM

        There’s a lot of value in what Gary has put together here. Can anyone explain why that 3.61 standard deviation change should be ignored?

          Apr 08, 2015 08:18 PM

          For sure. I’m not ignoring it I wouldn’t have read the article my good professor.

          There is definitely value in it, but I was just mentioning it good for the larger pattern, but doesn’t isolate the timing of the silver bottom in a precise way; more of a general bottoming signal he is noting.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:24 PM

            For example, we don’t know that fall in crude oil is over, or if the bond market will go even higher. The ratio he points out is definitely at an extreme level though.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:54 PM

            After a move like that, I believe it could take extreme measures (QE) to keep bonds inflated —if that’s still desired.

            I would bet that big money is and has been exiting bonds as the Fed let them out at WAY above market prices (and stuck the dumb money with the bill).

            Apr 09, 2015 09:45 AM

            You are probably correct that some smart money is starting to exit bonds, to leave retail investors holding the bag. I exited TLT in the last uptrend in late March, but was amazed it had been trucking along as well as it did.

            Nothing shocks me anymore though, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see it do one more surge higher this year.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:46 AM

            Matthew….I think you are correct on the exit of big money from bonds.

          Apr 08, 2015 08:24 PM

          Sorry, didn’t mean for that to be directed at you; was just making a general statement.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:25 PM

            Right on. Well it is definitely food for thought.

            Apr 08, 2015 08:44 PM

            Btw, silver’s move-ending spike in 2011 was about a 3.5 sigma event, so it would seem to me that 3.61 in T-bonds is very significant.

            While we’re on the subject, the 1980 spike in silver was over a 15 sigma move while it was about 8 for gold. There’s been no secular top in the two metals.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:47 AM

            We’re getting “in the neighborhood” with Silver for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it hit one more lower leg down if the dollar spikes up past 100.39 and heads for the 110 blow-off top I am anticipated in May/June.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:14 AM

            So you see a new low for silver, below 14.15?

            Apr 09, 2015 09:26 AM

            Only if the dollar surges to the 110 level in the next 2 months. If it double-tops like some are postulating, then I think the low is in for Silver. As for Gold, I am still leaning the direction that the 1130 and 1140 levels will get tested in May.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:44 AM

            Thanks, I will count myself wrong if silver makes a new low for any reason.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:02 AM

            The action in the markets is so schizophrenic that it is hard to see what exactly is playing out at present, and people are reading into the tea leaves (charts/fundamentals/sentiment indicators) all kinds of different scenarios.

            As they say, many times your first initial thoughts are the ones to stick with if undecided, so I am sticking with my call for a dollar surge and commodity cycle low in May.

            I believe the Euro is a mess and the Yen isn’t much better, so this will bolster the dollar in the mid-term (2 months). In addition, the 4 year end to the Gold bear will likely coincide with this dollar blow off top, and it is possible that Silver could get dragged down in the commodity undertow if that plays out.

            Later in the year things like earnings reports in the Oil Patch/multinationals/miners, the effects of the new AIIB, and the Middle East abandoning the Petro-dollar should pressure the dolllar and allow commodities to start climbing back out in a U-shaped recovery (not a V shaped). Gold & Silver miners and Uranium should lead the charge out of the starting gate.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:15 AM

            The euro is definitely a mess, but I’d argue that enough of that mess has been priced in for now. Bearish sentiment and bets are at record levels. It’s similar to stocks in March ’09, bearishness and volume spiked; everyone who was going to sell, sold.

            If it makes a new low, I think it will be marginal and come with positive technical divergences.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:38 AM

            Well, a lot of the bearish expectations in the Euro are baked in at this point, but I don’t think people realize that it can get much worse. Right now most of the marketplace thinks the Euro will work out this Greek, Spain, Portugal, Italy mess. In my opinion it is a failed experiment, and if the Euro gets dismantled and all those countries don’t learn to get along, then the effects could roil the markets harder than what is currently priced in. Since the Euro is 60% weighted in the dollar basket, then this is what I think spikes the dollar.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:54 AM

            Definitely a failed experiment, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be held together for far longer than the bears think.
            I agree that if the dollar spikes it won’t be due to the dollar really going up but due to the euro going down. This is not just semantics, it’s the difference between fiction and non-fiction. This is why gold has not made a new low despite the fact that the USD soared another 15% since gold hit 1130. In my view, gold only suffered as much as it did because way too many investors put way too much importance USDX movements as if it is consistently a reliable measure of the dollar’s real value.

            So, if the euro melts down far more than I think it will, I believe that we will see the dollar and gold rise together (when this happens, it always means that gold is number one).

            Apr 09, 2015 09:04 AM

            Well I agree with all the points you just made Matthew. It is possible that in that kind of Euro meltdown, that Gold would go up in tandem with the USD as a safe haven.

            I guess, I am not expected the failed experiment of the Euro to collapse tomorrow, but I think the warning signs will bring us to Dollar Euro parity soon enough, and that will cause enough pressure on PMs to end the 4 year bear. That is the only real concern I have, and after that I’ll be bullish on PMs for the next 3-5 years.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:18 AM

            We’re in for a super major mega monster bull! For all you junior Mogambo Rangers out there, that’s an SMMMB. 🙂

            Apr 09, 2015 09:43 AM

            good one Matthew

            Apr 09, 2015 09:48 AM

            Matthew………..I AGREE ON THE SECULAR TOP..in the two metals…….

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:41 PM

    Latest Bill Holter podcast:
    https://youtu.be/HsXV2wJRj7o

    Apr 08, 2015 08:49 PM

    Many on this site deplore what is happening in The Middle East but the change in economic dominance is going to force the World back on the gold standard whether we like or not, kicking and screaming.

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:20 PM

    The bast*rd in the White house is taking us to war by his incompetence.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-aerospace-command-moving-comms-gear-back-cold-015320113.html

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:50 PM

    Greece demands $278million in reparations from Germany. (Having already settled the issue almost 50 years ago.

    All is not peaceful in Greece:
    https://youtu.be/RVEXxYmQ4Vo

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:58 PM

    Why did Greece not ask Russia to help?
    https://soundcloud.com/rttv/putin

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:10 PM
      Apr 09, 2015 09:49 AM

      This AIIB situation gets more interesting by the day, and the US is continuing to get isolated from its allies. Not a good sign for US, but it is the rise of the East.

    CFS
    Apr 08, 2015 08:40 PM

    Quote from Armstrong Economics:
    “…he Obama administration with hindsight may be equivalent with the Roman Emperor Gallienus who destroyed the Roman Empire in 8.6 years. He accomplished that stunning goal by wiping out the CONFIDENCE in government. Obama is accomplishing the same process in what appears to be two terms of 8 years….”

      Apr 08, 2015 08:21 PM

      America is ruined. PERIOD !!!!

      The world is going down with it.

      Sorry, everyone is on the Titanic.

      Mark My Words !!!!!!

        Apr 08, 2015 08:46 PM

        Dick Chaney says..O…is destroying this nation a few days ago.

        Military command center the Pentagon is relocating under the
        Colorado mountains.

        There’s nothing wrong. Texas and many other states listed as
        hostile.

        What’s really disturbing the majority are so comatosed when it
        comes to reality. Going off…I’ve heard this before all this doom
        and gloom. They can’t see because they are so badly brainwashed
        and in denial they become enraged.

        OPEN YOUR EYES !!!! For crying out load.

        Can you add ? …its outrageous. ..completely in a trance and dumbed down.

          Apr 09, 2015 09:59 AM

          Hello HH HOPE everything is going well….ya know….Chaney did a fine job of destroying the country himself…..,
          All the Military big boys are digging in ……..the Colorado Rocky Mountain High.,
          High on drugs, high on stupidity, high on moral degradation , high on stealing every last dime they can shift to the BLACK BUDGET. ……….best j.

          Apr 09, 2015 09:10 AM

          You too..J…hope you are doing great.

          Your precisely correct. Chaney did plenty of damage. O…is
          An atrocity compared to Chaney.

          America is ruined. The damage is going to hit Main Street soon.

          Excellent comments .J.. ..time though to face the music soon.

          Its going to get very ugly.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:21 AM

            What is interesting is during the BLACK plague….Dark ages 100 million people were wiped out., so Nuke could do the same thing very easily.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:23 AM

            I think this can tie in very easily with Ezekiel 35 and 38…..and still have humanity exist until it is TIME for the main event.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:21 PM

            Your right…J…

            And be ready. With the armor of God.

            Apr 09, 2015 09:04 PM

            ditto…brother

            Apr 09, 2015 09:44 PM

            You bet…J…

            Ha…fight the good ..fight.

            Not easy Bro !!!!

    Apr 08, 2015 08:06 PM

    Good interview with Overstock.com CEO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eaIVy9e23U

    Apr 08, 2015 08:47 PM

    Ever curious about the origins of the bathtub? Very interesting…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzrPigsqvZM