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U.S. short sellers betting on Canadian housing crash: ‘An accident waiting to happen’

August 25, 2015

For our Canadian listeners this article is for you. There sure is a lot of coverage on the Canadian housing market especially in Toronto and Vancouver. Now that U.S. investors are getting short Canadian housing is it destined to crash all over Canada?

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VANCOUVER — Large Wall Street investors who made billions when the U.S. housing market collapsed in 2008 are now betting real estate values in Vancouver and other Canadian cities will crash, financial insiders say.

The hedge fund investors, known as short sellers, are betting against what they believe is a housing bubble in Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary and other Canadian cities. They believe Canadians hold too much mortgage debt, and that Canadian banks, mortgage insurers and “subprime” private lenders will lose money on unpaid loans when property prices fall.

“The cross currents are beyond crazy in Vancouver — it’s a mix of money laundering, speculation, low interest rates,” said Marc Cohodes, once called Wall Street’s highest-profile short-seller by The New York Times. “A house is something you live in, but in Vancouver you guys are trading them like the penny stocks on Howe Street.”

He says Vancouver real estate has reached peak insanity, and any number of factors could trigger a collapse.

Local real estate professionals predicted the U.S. investors are likely to lose their shirts betting against Vancouver property, which they described as a special market thriving on international demand.

But one Canadian housing analyst who advises U.S. clients, including Cohodes, said major investors are currently “building positions” against Canadian housing targets. They are forecasting a raise in historically low U.S. interest rates this fall will spill financial stress into Canada.

“All of the big global macro funds that were involved in betting against the U.S. in 2007 and 2008 and 2009, they’ve all studied Canadian housing for a few years,” said the Canadian analyst, who asked not to be named because of client confidentiality. “I know a number of them are shorting Canadian housing. It looks like an accident waiting to happen.”

This is although housing markets in Vancouver and Toronto have continued to rocket higher since international short-sellers started circling in 2013.

Short sellers use complex financial arrangements to make rapid profits when publicly traded stocks fall in value. In this case, they are betting against businesses connected to property and household debt. They are also betting against the Canadian dollar, because they believe it will decline significantly in a housing bust.

Most of these traders are employed by secretive New York investment funds that shy away from publicity, partly because they want to disguise how they lay their bets. A few though, like Cohodes, take the opposite approach.

He has come out of semi-retirement on his chicken farm in Northern California to make targeted bets against “subprime” Canadian lenders, who make loan to borrowers rejected by traditional banks.

The Canadian housing analyst noted short-selling bets against big Canadian banks have doubled in New York markets in the past several months. And the risk of a sharp housing correction connected to Canadians’ high household debt has risen since December, the Bank of Canada recently reported.

While short sellers point to Vancouver as the most extreme housing bubble in Canada, the analyst noted that some investors believe a massive flow of investment from Mainland China makes the market impervious to corrections.

Others speculate that if China’s economy slows dramatically, Vancouver housing will bust.

“Toronto sees some offshore money from China, but definitely Vancouver is in its own world,” the analyst said.

“Some of the guys that have timed this bet think that when China blows up Vancouver will blow up too, but I’m not sure that will happen.”

Discussion
10 Comments
    Aug 25, 2015 25:11 PM

    Canada, Australia and the UK – house prices in aall 3 are ludicrous. The UK did not crash in 2009 despite already being in an enormous bubble.

      CFS
      Aug 25, 2015 25:35 PM

      London, not the whole UK.

      You think housing is expensive in the UK, go to Germany.
      If you think Germany is expensive, try Luxembourg or Monaco.

    Aug 25, 2015 25:20 PM

    I think it will keep going on for some hot areas in Canada. Lots of people are renting or waiting to buy first house. Cannot see it will go much lower, if any.

    Aug 25, 2015 25:13 PM

    We are in a period of deflation, I know this sounds like a broken record but all housing is going down, Canada has not had it’s correction in Vancouver and Toronto but it’s coming but if you ask me California real estate is headed for big losses also.

    Aug 25, 2015 25:17 PM

    I believe that the central bankers have prevented for the moment an utter collapse. There is no gain saying the fact that the economic structure in China has cracked wide open. DT

    Aug 25, 2015 25:28 PM

    Not much chance of making a buck going short Canadian housing. Not least of which is because there are no instruments to sell short this market and the majority of risk is still on CMHC and not the Canadian Banks.

    Even if the banks stand to lose millions on homes in Toronto and Vancouver (the only true housing bubbles in Canada) it will still be a low likelihood to make good gains on bank stock falling because risk is spread across the country. In other words, don’t expect the rest of the country to experience a housing crash since they are not in a bubble and therefore the two major cities are only a percentage of overall portfolio risk.

    Third, we should anticipate that a market blow up in China will NOT end with a bust in either Vancouver or Toronto. Rather, capital outflows and flight from Asia will actually support existing home values at least initially. This is the opposite of what most people think who assume that troubles in China must automatically reflect elsewhere but who fail to consider capital flow dynamics.

    So unless those smart hedge funds and property shorters have come up with a novel way to short the Canadian Government and the taxpayer who supports the structure then they are probably going to be a little disappointed.

    At best their investment will bring modest reward. But Canadian real estate is hardly at risk the way US Housing was before and after the peak and the extent to which lending has been done to truly non-creditworthy individuals is nowhere near as severe as the US experience.

    Aug 25, 2015 25:51 PM

    When the stock market crashed in 1929, the real pain wasn’t felt by the public until at least a year later but this time The US is not the deciding factor China has brought us all down. I don’t believe that China will overtake The US, America’s ship still has time to turn around and China has lost it’s biggest advantage, cheap labor. DT

    Aug 25, 2015 25:31 PM

    In interviews, five real estate agents who primarily sell homes on Vancouver’s exclusive west side estimated that between 50 per cent and 80 per cent of their clients have financial ties to mainland China.
    http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/how-skyrocketing-vancouver-home-prices-are-fuelling-anger-towards-foreign-buyers

    Aug 25, 2015 25:34 PM

    China: The Largest Cheap Labor Factory in the World
    China is an advanced capitalist economy integrated into the World market. Wages for non-skilled labor in Chinese factories are as low as 100$ a month, a small fraction of the minimum wage in Western countries.

    The factory price of a commodity produced in China is of the order of 10% of the retail price in Western countries. Consequently, the largest share of the earnings of China’s cheap labor economy accrue to distributors and retailers in Western countries

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/china-the-largest-cheap-labor-factory-in-the-world/5431349

    Aug 26, 2015 26:31 PM

    Been hearing this for y e a r s…. I have been thinking the same but have been wrong. As long as Canada panders to China nothing is going to happen. Canada cannot get Chinese $$ in fast enough and could care less where is came from. Hongcouver, Chinada.