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Here’s what the bottom of markets look like

September 17, 2015

Gary kicks off today with his comments of what bottoms look like in markets. He is saying the best move today is not watching the markets when things get volatile after (and possibly right before) the Fed announcement.

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    Sep 17, 2015 17:33 AM

    FWIW I too will no longer post here whats the point?

    I’m at a blog that’s 100% technical but I had to be invited by a member and provide charts for two weeks to be excepted, I can’t invite anyone until a year passes.

    There are blogs out there that only deal in making money and religion is never ever a subject or politics or manipulation (nobody cares) I’m a chart junkie so I’ll crawl back to the site where technicals rule over bull sh!t OPINIONS

      Sep 17, 2015 17:40 AM

      now now

      Sep 17, 2015 17:49 AM

      What blog is that?

      Sep 17, 2015 17:03 AM

      Don’t worry folks, I ain’t going anywhere… Anybody here like NSRPF(Jay Taylor’s favorite stock) ?

        Sep 17, 2015 17:08 AM

        JJ thinks he is leaving us, but no one leaves here anymore than they leave the Hotel California or the Roach Motel. We are trapped! Abandon all hope ye who enter herein.

          Sep 17, 2015 17:38 PM

          “Roach Motel” Mr. Barzini?

          Common man!

          I personally enjoy your comments, by the way!

            Sep 17, 2015 17:15 PM

            Al, as you live in Washington you may not have seen the Roach Motel ads for a contraption that you put on the floor. Roaches check into the Roach Motel but they never leave. Those who live down south in roach country know those ads. Perhaps I should’ve said the Bates Motel instead. I assume we’ve all seen Psycho.

            Sep 17, 2015 17:19 PM

            Now, that was an interesting movie!

        bb
        Sep 17, 2015 17:09 AM

        No offence to Jay but at one time he was espousing san gold.

        Dan
        Sep 17, 2015 17:20 AM

        YES

          Dan
          Sep 17, 2015 17:20 AM

          BB..YES I like NSRPF

            Sep 17, 2015 17:51 AM

            Hi Dan and Bonzo Barzini –

            I’ve not really followed Novo Resources. What aspects do you find appealing about their project, management, share structure, potential takeover target, etc..?

      Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

      I think this a great site. I stopped going to other blogs long ago as you have some of the best expert advice right here and it helps make sense of the market so you don’t end up making panic decisions. Rick focuses on short term trading profits while Gary focuses on the short to medium term. Doc always a lot of sense and predicts things quite accurately. Chris is a great common sense guy who makes you think about the big picture.

        Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

        +1

        Sep 17, 2015 17:19 AM

        +1

        Sep 17, 2015 17:22 AM

        +1

        Sep 17, 2015 17:37 AM

        Good thoughts Paul L!

          Sep 17, 2015 17:43 AM

          +1
          I will try to post two charts per week but Listener can’t open them …

        Sep 17, 2015 17:40 PM

        thank you Paul L!

      Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

      original jj – you are sounding hurt. We all feel hurt or down at time… or downright depressed… best to shrug, drop your shoulders, take a deep breath and try to forget about anything that is hurting you.

      I can tell from your posts that you feel passionately about things… and I suspect that you would miss posting here as much as many others would miss you if you stopped posting here.

      I think with any internet site the thing to do is to pause for thought, count to 100 and then go make a cuppa before posting… We all say things, or have things said about us, online that can look far more harsh in print than perhaps they would face to face. I have lost count the number of times that I said stupid things online. I probably could win an award for doing so.

      As for the general world event stuff… I quite like it. There are some sinteresting people posting on here and it is great to hear their views on things. I can miss all the American political stuff thought but, ssssh, don’t share that with any of the Americans here 😉

      Remember, life is just a game that nobody wins so just, every now and then, drop your pants and slide on the ice.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

      original jj says, “I believe you shouldn’t be allowed to share what you believe.” That, ladies and gentlemen, is nonsense. What makes more sense is this: Al is the master here, he will decide what should be posted or not, because it is his blog.

      Dan
      Sep 17, 2015 17:24 AM

      as a NON technician here I could understand your frustration… i tend to focus on fundamentals!!

      Sep 17, 2015 17:51 AM

      Try Investor Hub

      Sep 17, 2015 17:10 PM

      THis is a wonderful SITE…..AND THANKS AL AND CORY FOR THE GREAT JOB AND HARD WORK YOU DO DAILY……………………….OOTB

      Sep 17, 2015 17:37 PM

      Sorry to see you go.

      I personally enjoy the give and take. Speaking of “take” I had to take HH off for good as some (unfortunately too many) of his comments were simply not acceptable.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:51 AM

    No follow-through on gold today.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:42 PM

      Certainly was SB Dave!

    Sep 17, 2015 17:14 AM

    42% in two days for AXU:
    http://schrts.co/Ddbav2

      Sep 17, 2015 17:22 AM

      I’ll bet you’re sorry you sold that 3%, eh?
      😉

        Sep 17, 2015 17:29 AM

        I am, but that didn’t stop me from selling more today. 😐
        I’ll get my shares back though. Maybe not at a better dollar price but I am confident they will be cheaper relative to the juniors I bought with the proceeds.

        Rebalancing is a good idea but speculators have to be careful not to overdo it and should have a core position that is left alone.

          Sep 17, 2015 17:42 AM

          I use a very similar approach Matthew. There are times where I buy a big position to hold for a once and done “trade”, but normally I tier into a position over time on the way up or down in price. Then I sell into strength in a tier out approach. Many times, I’ll continue to hold a core position at a much lower cost basis after executing this approach and roll the proceeds into another asset that is more undervalued.

          Good heads up on Alexco Brian. I missed the move, but have had some nice gains in a few of my other mining stocks. Longer term, I’ll likely have about a dozen good Silver mining companies in the mix with my other investments, and Alexco will be one of the silver companies I own for the next bull run.

            Sep 17, 2015 17:46 AM

            Just as a heads up:

            Streaming companies have been doing more and more deals to get financing to the mining community, and I’ve been watching more larger sized deals being done. I agree with Rob McEwen that streaming deals may impact the mining company’s future profits, but you got to admit that the Streaming companies are filling the void left by sparse capital available to move projects forward. Longer term I still love the streaming company business model.
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            Glencore In Streaming Talks Over Peru And Chile Mines – Reuters
            Thursday September 17, 2015

            http://www.kitco.com/news/2015-09-17/Glencore-In-Streaming-Talks-Over-Peru-And-Chile-Mines-Reuters.html

      Sep 17, 2015 17:23 AM

      Did you get in? Where do you think is a good target? Or is this one of your long term holds that you have held for a while?

        Sep 17, 2015 17:41 AM

        I was already in and bought a lot on the scary down days below .30. My best price was .25 or .26 (it’s fuzzy now).
        If you’re nimble you can probably trade the move up, otherwise I would just hold until the indicators start to turn.
        It is overbought on the daily chart but looks like it is going to trend higher, possibly much higher, before consolidating or correcting. I will lightly fade the whole rise until it looks untenable. Then I will consider selling heavily. A substantial core position will be held through thick and thin, probably for years.
        http://schrts.co/HbKFe5

          Sep 17, 2015 17:48 AM

          Welll done sir.

          Sep 17, 2015 17:04 AM

          Btw & fwiw, what I consider a “substantial” core position varies from one situation to the next based on many factors. It’s usually not less than one-third of my original position and often one-half to two thirds.

            Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

            For me it is 30-50% of my original position that I’ll leave in core, but as you say….it differs from asset class to asset class, and is company specific for me in how I want to “weight” my private EFT. 🙂

            Sep 17, 2015 17:24 AM

            I always use my experience with GORO to highlight the risks I am sometimes willing to take. I started buying in ’06 at around $1.30 and had to average up (I hate that in this sector) to an average price of about $2.30. It reached just above $6 before the fall of 2008 hit and I sold nothing. On its plunge back to $2 I bought a little more (the details are now vague as to the amount and price). By the middle of 2010, it hit $10 and I finally sold enough to take back my initial investment (production started on July 1st that year). The vast majority of the rest was sold in the mid $20s but a little was sold in the teens and a tiny amount above $30.
            So I kept a roughly 75% core yet still had a free ride since I waited for a quadruple before taking my capital back.
            I’m tempted to try it again now that GORO is $2.50 again and still paying a monthly dividend.

            Sep 17, 2015 17:28 AM

            Thanks for sharing that story. It reminds me to hang onto maybe a larger positions on my winners but also take some profits into the strength. Yes a few on here have mentioned GORO a few times somewhat recently. I’ll have to give that a look see…

            Sep 17, 2015 17:46 AM

            You had to be laughing about waiting almost 4 years to take my so-called “free ride!”

            Sep 17, 2015 17:11 AM

            Yeup….that’s a long wait… but it was free in the end….

      Sep 17, 2015 17:04 AM

      There was a press release, but is just another astonishing drill result.

      Alexco Drills 5 Meters (True Width) of 7,462 Grams per Tonne Silver (240 Ounces per Tonne) at Bermingham, Along With Other Significant Silver Intercepts

      But the CEO makes a readable, understated claim at the end:

      “The discovery of this open ended, very high grade silver and gold bearing zone within the Bermingham area may be a game changer for the future of Keno Hill. Clearly, grades ranging from approximately 0.8 kilogram to more than 7.0 kilograms per tonne of silver with up to 2 g/t of gold over sizable true widths in several drill holes is a significant discovery. Although Keno Hill is historically known for the presence of local high grade zones, the style and tenor of this discovery is consistent with zones often associated within the largest and highest grade silver deposits in the District. Simply stated, this is a relatively shallow, very high grade discovery in the immediate neighborhood of large, high grade silver deposits; namely the adjacent Hector Calumet, Elsa and other historical deposits.”

      Sep 17, 2015 17:28 AM

      I’ll bet JJ’s charts did not predict AXU’s 40% rise the last 2 days, but we did discuss AXU 3 days ago and liked it.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:15 AM

    I think the Fed will say it is too early for a rate hike and they need more time to review future improving economic data to decide for a possible hike in December or early next year of 25 basis points. The market is just not high enough. We need to be close to 2100.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:21 AM

      ditto

        Sep 17, 2015 17:22 PM

        This is way off course but wanted to mention it….
        The name frank frank reminded me of a new hot dog restaurant that opened in central Florida called “franks a lot”…scantily clad waitresses in gay 90’s outfits…17 different hot dog dishes…

          Sep 17, 2015 17:29 PM

          One hot dog dish is enough for me unless we are talking brats!

            Sep 17, 2015 17:02 PM

            Who is frank frank……….?

            Sep 18, 2015 18:09 AM

            It’s getting confusing because we had Franky (now Xing Xang), Frank From Moscow, and now frank frank. He also said “Ditto” like CCF.

            Sep 18, 2015 18:12 AM

            Let’s change the name of the blog to Speaking Frankly…..

    Sep 17, 2015 17:21 AM

    Silver is looking better than gold but let’s see if the Fed’s decision keeps it that way.
    http://schrts.co/smWxef

    Sep 17, 2015 17:21 AM

    Burkina Faso coup: Compaore ally named ruler
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34276807

      Sep 17, 2015 17:56 AM

      Does this affect your thoughts on True Gold Mining in any way? I’ve been interested in nibbling at a position, but mentioned in our past discussions I was concerned about the political environment there. It may be a non-issue for True Gold though.

      Just curious as to your thoughts on potential implications.

        Sep 17, 2015 17:09 AM

        Based on my shallow understanding of the situation and a decent understanding of the price action, no, it doesn’t affect my opinion negatively.
        I got several buy orders filled today and am considering trying for more.

          Sep 17, 2015 17:25 AM

          Sounds good. Thanks Matthew.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:28 AM

    5.7 % yield on AT&T and it did a nice dip today.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:37 AM

    I am going to put a buy in on ECA today. Gone from about $22 down to about $5 in the past year. I am averaged in at $14.5, Chart looks like a buy at $7.55,

      Sep 17, 2015 17:42 AM

      Jason, not sure you trade or hold. This company has big debt and it cannot change its negative cash flow yet, not for a long time. It might be take over target though.

        Sep 17, 2015 17:51 AM

        The fantasy trade for a quick flip would have been to buy on the way up at $6 and sold at $7 for 15% profit.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:53 AM

    Hmm. I am waiting to see what happens after Aunt B. announces her interest rate hike. Some think oil might go back down and if that happens I might be able to get in at a better price towards the end of the year.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:36 AM

      Yellen is Aunt B. Funny.

        Sep 17, 2015 17:38 AM

        I still like Mother Felon = Yellen = Mother Fellen = MF = 🙂

          Sep 17, 2015 17:50 AM

          lol Made my hay fever feel better. Thanx!

    Sep 17, 2015 17:04 AM

    Exactly what I wanted to see.

    Important to watch now.

    Holding rates at zero should scare the market. Very important next 1-5 days in here.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:04 AM

    KUDOS to Gary Savage on being the only one of the 3 guests to predict no interest rate rise yesterday.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:07 AM

    It must ruffle a few feathers that Peter Schiff was right again. Bill Bonner was right too. No one that I know of was as certain as those two that the Fed would not raise.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:07 PM

      Yes , Peter Schiff is right again. He has unique capability to judge what government will do. He also say there will be another QE later. Let’s wait and see.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:12 AM

    On yesterday’s market wrap…..Gary said the Fed would not raise. Nice call.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:30 AM

      Yes he did; good call Gary.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:15 AM

    Dollar just fell to 94.88 to below the 200 day as expected. Oil and gold on the way up. I added more gdx today.

      Sep 17, 2015 17:28 PM

      I might buy JDST if it gets down around $7 for a short flip.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:19 AM

    Yep…also the miners are rallying nicely. I think the others pundits must of had their charts upside down. I wouldn’t call the last month sideways to down on the miners. I’ve got some nice gains now. Thanks Gary!

    Sep 17, 2015 17:40 PM

    Gary, nice call yesterday. You are not a hindsight guy. Keep up with good work.

    Sep 17, 2015 17:51 PM

    Andrew Hoffman on FSN says mining industry has nowhere to go but down. 12 mins 19 secs into interview: People’s thoughts please.

    http://tunein.com/radio/Financial-Survival-Network-p415063/

      Sep 17, 2015 17:10 PM

      Agree, in a longer term

      Sep 18, 2015 18:00 AM

      Andy and Andy ………always a good listen to…… “)

    Sep 17, 2015 17:36 PM

    if he sells bullion then whats he talking about….

    Sep 18, 2015 18:14 AM

    Agree Agatha – btw Ned Schmidt on the same site says precisely the opposite. Gold and PM stocks should take off by year end.