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November 12, 2015

Rick Ackerman joins us to chat about move continued downward moves in the US markets, gold and oil.

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    Nov 12, 2015 12:00 AM

    Thanks Rick, waiting for the bottom. The miners at some point will bounce…hope its in my lifetime lol…

      Nov 12, 2015 12:19 AM

      Nobody will tell us there is a bottom. Historians are the ones who can pin point the bottom.

    bb
    Nov 12, 2015 12:24 AM

    Up or down from here. lol
    I guess its how we go up or down that counts.
    Looking like its down tho, but it has looked that way for a looong time now.

    Rick your 800 is lookin good to me, when we get there is the question, I like Docs 2016 doldrums timeframe.

      Nov 14, 2015 14:44 AM

      I think it’s possible for this year but probably more likely next year. Maybe down to 1000 this year then another dead cat bounce that’s more sideways than up before a big fall to the 800s.

    Nov 12, 2015 12:41 AM

    My model to show $WTIC = $25-27(25.25)

    Nov 12, 2015 12:53 AM

    Good call on the declines. Gold prices did NOT make a new low. The low previously was $1072.32. The price low TODAY was 1075.

    It appears the GLD is being ravished on presumed interest rate rises, in order that the ETF coughs up some more gold bars to the PBOC. The low today was a new low for the ETF, which means that’s a warning to stay away from ETFs promising to keep up with the gold price.

      Nov 12, 2015 12:57 AM

      $1075.70 to be exact via Rueters.

        Nov 12, 2015 12:49 PM

        That was what I was thinking as well FranSix. I first checked gold charts on Kitco (I know I’m a sellout), and saw the low at $1075 today, and on Yahoo at $1075 and some change….

        I believe intra-day on July 24th people reported $1071-$1073 intra-day lows depending on their trading platform and when they were watching. Sometimes blips happen that don’t show on a particular platform, or a number gets stuck on a platform but not on others. [I use 3 charting platforms and see that quite often].

        I’ve been using the range of ($1071-$1076) as the July 24th low in Gold, because I hear so many commentators and financial sites reference different numbers. The closing price I saw that day was $1076, with an intra-day low of $1073 in Scottrade, and $1072 on Yahoo. So $1072.32 sounds awesome because it right there in that zone.

          Nov 12, 2015 12:31 PM

          Stockcharts price flag.

            Nov 12, 2015 12:23 PM

            I just saw a low today on the daily Yahoo Finance chart for Gold of $1074.20.

            Hopefully this link will work:

            http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GCZ15.CMX+Interactive#{“showSma”:true,”smaColors”:”#cc0000″,”smaPeriods”:”200″,”smaWidths”:”1″,”smaGhosting”:”0″,”showEma”:true,”emaColors”:”#009999″,”emaPeriods”:”200″,”emaWidths”:”1″,”emaGhosting”:”0″,”range”:”1d”,”allowChartStacking”:true}

    Nov 12, 2015 12:55 AM

    Great comments by Rick. Thank you.

    Nov 12, 2015 12:59 AM

    I have $1000 as the bottom of the trading channel on my chart. I think it is going to the 800s.

    Nov 12, 2015 12:04 AM

    I have a feeling that the bottom can drop out here as in April 2013. There was an abortive rally just before the $1590 to $1320 crash, like this latest puny rally that Rick has just mentioned. There is no upside.

      Nov 12, 2015 12:05 AM

      There are 10 red bars in a row on the silver chart:
      http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/gallery.html?s=%24SILVER

        Nov 12, 2015 12:07 AM

        Price objectives on stockcharts.com standard point and figure charts are $891 for gold and $3 (yes, 3!) for silver.

          Nov 12, 2015 12:41 PM

          $3 silver..WHAT..are they tripping out on LSD.

            Nov 12, 2015 12:46 PM

            HA,HA,HA………..AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN.

            Nov 12, 2015 12:03 PM

            I will sell my house and buy all the silver I can if it gets to $3. Then eat LSD to celebrate!

      Nov 12, 2015 12:52 PM

      To many guys are frozen in their tracks…..waiting for some guru with a new chart to show them the way…………..

    Nov 12, 2015 12:20 AM

    From Lawrie Williams. Lawrie points out that SGE withdrawals are the equivalent of yearly mine supply. The ONLY SOURCE for the PBOC to withdraw that much gold into its foreign exchange are the gold ETFs. There is NO GOLD at the COMEX!

    They are draining ETFs for all they can cash and carry and ETF shareholders are literally the bag holders and NOBODY is the wiser.

    Nov 12, 2015 12:44 AM

    Check out that 1 year S&P chart. 🙂

    Nov 12, 2015 12:59 PM

    THIS GAME IS OVER AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN GO ANOTHER FULL YEAR WITH ALL THIS FRAUD! This junk done sunk……..it’s over!

    Nov 12, 2015 12:02 PM

    BALTIC DRY INDEX CRASHING IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER…….DURING THE CHRISTMAS SEASON,WOW! We’re done!

      Nov 12, 2015 12:35 PM

      What the heck is a Baltic Dry Index?

        Nov 12, 2015 12:43 PM

        Jason….Its a BDI.

          Nov 12, 2015 12:56 PM

          😉

            Nov 12, 2015 12:02 PM

            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            Baltic Dry Index 1985–2013

            The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) is an economic indicator issued daily by the London-based Baltic Exchange. Not restricted to Baltic Sea countries, the index provides “an assessment of the price of moving the major raw materials by sea. Taking in 23 shipping routes measured on a timecharter basis, the index covers Handysize, Supramax, Panamax, and Capesize dry bulk carriers carrying a range of commodities including coal, iron ore and grain.”[1]

            Historical origin[edit]
            In 1744, the Virginia and Maryland coffee house in Threadneedle Street, London, changed its name to Virginia and Baltick, to more accurately describe the business interests of the merchants who gathered there. Today’s Baltic Exchange has its roots in a committee of merchants formed in 1823 to regulate trading and formalize the exchange of securities on the premises, which by then had moved to the Antwerp Tavern.[2] The first daily freight index was published by the Baltic Exchange in January 1985.

            How it works

            Every working day, a panel of international shipbrokers submits their view of current freight cost on various routes to the Baltic Exchange. The routes are meant to be representative, i.e. large enough in volume to matter for the overall market.

            These rate assessments are then weighted together to create both the overall BDI and the size specific Supramax, Panamax, and Capesize indices. The BDI factors in the four different sizes of oceangoing dry bulk transport vessels:[3]

            The BDI contains route assessments based only on time-charter hire rates “USD paid per day per Metric Ton”. Fuel (=”Bunkers”) is the largest voyage dependent cost and moves with the crude oil price. In periods where bunker costs fluctuate significantly, the BDI will move more than the shipowners’ realised earnings.
            The index can be accessed on a subscription basis directly from the Baltic Exchange as well as from major financial information and news services such as Macrobond Financial, Thomson Reuters and Bloomberg L.P..

            Importance

            Most directly, the index measures the demand for shipping capacity versus the supply of dry bulk carriers. The demand for shipping varies with the amount of cargo that is being traded or moved in various markets (supply and demand).

            The supply of cargo ships is generally both tight and inelastic—it takes two years to build a new ship, and the cost of laying up a ship is too high to take out of trade for short intervals,[6] the way you might park a car safely over the winter. So, marginal increases in demand can push the index higher quickly, and marginal demand decreases can cause the index to fall rapidly. e.g. “if you have 100 ships competing for 99 cargoes, rates go down, whereas if you’ve 99 ships competing for 100 cargoes, rates go up. In other words, small fleet changes and logistical matters can crash rates…”[7] The index indirectly measures global supply and demand for the commodities shipped aboard dry bulk carriers, such as building materials, coal, metallic ores, and grains.

            Because dry bulk primarily consists of materials that function as raw material inputs to the production of intermediate or finished goods, such as concrete, electricity, steel, and food; the index is also seen as an efficient economic indicator of future economic growth and production. The BDI is termed a leading economic indicator because it predicts future economic activity.[8]

            Another index, the HARPEX,[9] focuses on containers freight. It provides an insight on the transport of a much wider base of commercial goods than commodities alone. HARPEX is regarded as a Current-Activity Indicator, because it measures and charts the changes in freight rates for ‘container ships.’ Container ships typically carry a wide variety of finished goods from a multitude of sellers. These are factory output goods headed for retail markets, at the other end of the supply chain.[10]
            Other leading economic indicators—which serve as the foundation of important political and economic decisions—are often measured to serve narrow interests, and subjected to adjustments or revisions. Payroll or employment numbers are often estimates; consumer confidence appears to measure nothing more than sentiment, often with no link to actual consumer behavior; gross national product figures are consistently revised, and so forth. Unlike stock and bond markets, the BDI “is totally devoid of speculative content,” says Howard Simons, an economist and columnist at TheStreet.com. “People don’t book freighters unless they have cargo to move.”[11]

            Significant levels

            On 20 May 2008, the index reached its record high level since its introduction in 1985, reaching 11,793 points. Half a year later, on 5 December 2008, the index had dropped by 94%, to 663 points, the lowest since 1986;[12] though by 4 February 2009 it had recovered a little lost ground, back to 1,316.[13] These low rates moved dangerously close to the combined operating costs of vessels, fuel, and crews.[14][15]

            By the end of 2008, shipping times had been already increased by reduced speeds to save fuel consumption, but lack of credit meant the reduction of letters of credit, historically required to load cargoes for departure at ports. Debt load of future ship construction was also a problem for shipping companies, with several major bankruptcies and implications for shipyards.[16][17] This, combined with the collapsing price of raw commodities created a perfect storm for the world’s marine commerce.

            During 2009, the index recovered as high as 4661, but then bottomed out at 1043 in February, 2011, after continued deliveries of new ships and flooding in Australia.[18]
            Though rebounding to 2000 on 7 October,[19] by 3 February 2012, the index made a new multi-decade low of 647 on a continued glut of dry bulk carriers and decreases in orders of iron and coal.[20]

            On 18 February 2015 the Baltic Dry Index reached the historic low of 509.[21]

        Nov 12, 2015 12:35 PM

        The Baltic Dry Index is all washed up… 🙂

          Nov 12, 2015 12:57 PM

          funny.

          Nov 12, 2015 12:47 PM

          You must be smoking something! The BDI says it all about the U.S. and world economies!

    Nov 12, 2015 12:34 PM

    Sounds like Rick has a lot of people trying to contact him on Skype….

    I like his term, short squezieness….I’ve been feeling rather squezie lately….

    Nov 12, 2015 12:53 PM

    Head and shoulders, MACD heading down, and broken support on the S&P.