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When will the bottom for commodities be in place?

January 19, 2016

Doc joins Al and Cory to chat focus on when he thinks the bottom for commodities will be in place. With gold steady today the mining stocks are getting hit which is not a good sign as we move through the week. As for oil, it continues to drag down almost everything.

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119 Comments
    PF
    Jan 19, 2016 19:50 AM

    Doc, are there any reasonable explanations for this? Silver is having a pretty good day, gold is flat, but the mining stocks are down anywhere from 5 to 10%. Yet another capitulation day for the miners.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:58 AM

    WOW
    Gold/XAU Ratio – 28.07. It was 3.3 in 2005 I remember.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:02 AM

    For short term traders, this is turning out to be another day of eye popping weakness. I am now guessing that this week would be a downer and the market may make a crashette event next week. My short term cycle is pointing down into Jan 28th but sharp down move could shorten that date to early next week.

    LPG
    Jan 19, 2016 19:05 AM

    Hope everyone is well,

    For those who missed it, GDX, GDXJ both made new lows today.

    Jordan Roy-Byrne had warned at the end of last week “Silver & Gold Stocks Dangerously Close to Breakdown”.
    So far, he’s been dead on.

    GL to all investing/trading.

    LPG

    Jan 19, 2016 19:14 AM

    I see that Intrexon (XON) fell to the 18 buck area very briefly last week before heading back up to over 25 bucks. (Apparently some news on a cancer gene treatment at a conference was responsbile for the spike.).

    The biotech etf IBB is at near 52 week lows also.

    Doc, do you have any thoughts on biotech stocks at the moment? Are we anywhere near a buying opportunity in this sector do you think?

      Jan 19, 2016 19:40 AM

      My off the wall guess is that IBB has another 20% to the downside and it may bottom in May this year.

      I will wait for Doc’s reply.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:22 PM

      Bio-technology is currently a broken sector as a whole. Technically, there is more pain going forward. I wouldn’t touch the sector unless there are stocks with some unbelievable stories. I’m staying away currently.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:29 PM

        I might add that XON will contnue to fall.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:41 PM

          Thanks Doc.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:20 AM
      Jan 19, 2016 19:25 AM

      This is a big streaming deal that Sandstorm is working on acquiring from Teck. This moves them into a new realm with more diversification and puts Sandstorm on the map a legitimate player in the streaming business.

      Check out the list of who they’ll have royalty or streaming agreements with – Royalty counterparties include Barrick Gold Corporation, Glencore plc (“Glencore”), KGHM Polska Miedz SA, Newmont Mining Corporation (“Newmont”), Kinross Gold Corporation (“Kinross”), Centerra Gold Inc. (“Centerra”), New Gold Inc. and Imperial Metals Corporation…as well as a pipeline of many exploration projects.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:54 AM

        Is this why TCK is rising from the $2.50 mark? (I was in hospital for a week so lost touch with a lot of things going on.).

          Jan 19, 2016 19:10 PM

          Teck is going to get a cash injection and that will help, but strangely enough a few of the commodity conglomerates were up today at the open and then fell throughout the day.

          On BNN they postulated that the Chinese growth just under 7% was the reason for at least some optimism (because there is still growth in the world’s second biggest economy), but this sentiment was tempered with concern because this was China’s lowest growth reading in years.

          BOB UK – Are you doing OK now and on the track to healing?

          Wishing you a speedy recovery sir.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:27 PM

            Ah, that explains it. (Does this mean that TCK is now almost at its bottom???)

            On the FTSE this morning all the miners – RIO, BHP, AAL, Glencore, etc, were up about 8% to 10% but they basically gave up most of those gains by the close. Most ended between 1.5% to 2.5% up.

            I suspect they all rose for the reason that you said – that China was still growing, although at a slower rate than it has in a long, long time.

            I was out cycling and got a sudden sharp stabbing pain in my left temple. Loads of spots before the eyes and my left side went numb for a while. I sat down, waited for the pain to subside for 15 minutes but when I got up the pain returned. This happened a few times.

            I got taken in and, over the course of a week, they did a CT Scan and an MRI. They also considered doing a lumbar puncture but eventually decided against that. All my other obs – blood work, cholesterol, blood pressure, sugar levels, etc, came back fine apparently.

            The docs were excellent and the scans came back clear. They are not sure what happened and have suggested that it might have been a severe migraine. Apparently you can get a migraine with such symptoms and, bizarrely, the pain can apparently subside when you sit down and return when you stand up. That is what the neurologist said.

            I have been home for a few days but feel very weak and a tad anxious but relieved that the scans were fine. I am looking at it positively as I feel that I have had a good check-up. I am 50 next week so I am hoping to make it 🙂

            Thanks for the kind thoughts.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:40 PM

            Wow. That sounds like a really acute migraine then. When you mentioned your left side went numb it sounded like a stroke for a minute. Well, I’m very happy your scans came back excellent and you’ll keep ticking. 🙂

            All the best to you.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:52 PM

            Yep, I was scared it was some kind of stroke. Petrified in fact. I have had one sided numbness before, years ago, during a panic attack when I hyperventilated but never had the pain before.

            They thought it might have been a bleed on the brain – the doc said not to worry if it was as they do about 3 of those a day – but the scans came back fine. They also were concerned that maybe some artery had a problem, perhaps from over-exertion, but the MRI did not show a problem. Bacterial meningitis was also considered.

            It wasn’t the best time of my life but I had excellent doctors investigating me and they instilled confidence. The NHS at its best.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:19 PM

        Excelsior,
        Very nice! Thanks for the post.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:25 PM

          It was mentioned awhile back on the KER that TCK and some of the other big commodity companies wouldn’t survive if commodity prices stay down for any length of time. The only way out for a lot of them would be to sell assets, particularly TCK. It looks like the beginning of survival mode.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:29 PM

            Yes sir…. it is Survival Mode for sure.

            I’ve posted a fair bit of news on all the asset sales and mergers over the last few months. It has been intensifying with the large commodity companies divesting assets in a big way as they try to manage their towering debt loads. Many mines, resources, royalty streams, and subsidiaries have changed hands the last few months. It’s hard to keep track of who has what assets now.

            The industry cleansing washout is finally happening. This is good thing for the longer term.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:31 PM

            I keep an eye on South 32 – the BHP Biliton spin-off – and was surprised to read that it is considering bidding to buy one of the companies that Anglo American is selling off.

            I would have though, at this time in the economy, that a company like South 32 would be wary of taking on more debt or spending cash to buy up more companies.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:55 PM

            Bob UK – I am thinking the same thing about South32. I posted that article when they announced that they were bidding on Anglo American assets. I figured it would be the other way around and that some other Major would acquire South32. Yes, a company of there size could be getting the deal of the century, or the recipe for failure if they can’t manage the debt from a transaction like this.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:59 PM

            Here’s that article again on South32 bid for the Anglo American $1 billion niobium and phosphate business in Brazil.

            BHP Spinoff South32 Said Interested in $1 Billion Anglo Sale
            Jesse Riseborough -January 13, 2016

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-13/bhp-spinoff-south32-said-interested-in-1-billion-anglo-sale

            Jan 19, 2016 19:56 PM

            I am having second thoughts now about South 32 for those very reasons.

            Their management may be super sharp or about to make an almighty mistake.

            Perhaps they are just going to bid as a means of trying to stop someone else bidding for them? The UK supermarket apparently is interested in another retailer, Argos, but I think that it is just a means of stopping Sainsbury being bought up.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:59 PM

            I meant, Sainsbury is bidding for Argos but people have long talked about Sainsbury being a target.

            Pretend to want to buy someone else to look stronger than you are as your SP falls? Maybe S32 is doing that?

            Jan 19, 2016 19:32 PM

            That’s an interesting idea Bob UK. Some companies may bid on another project (in a bluff) just to keep others off their trail, or from getting bought out themselves. I got the impression South32 was serious about their bid though.

            From the article above:

            “South32 has a strong balance sheet and will look at acquisition opportunities,” Chief Executive Officer Graham Kerr said in August.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:25 PM

          Cheers!

          Jan 19, 2016 19:19 PM

          I suppose the other way to look at it is if a company has a strong balance sheet some carpet baggers might try to take advantage of the current low SP to get their hands on the cash – although I thought South 32 had debt albeit a small amount of debt.

          By bidding for another company, if you have cash, you again make yourselves unattractive to the carpet baggers.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:44 PM

        SAND stock has been taken to the wood shed—I hate to say it but I love it since it’s on my buy list for the future.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:15 PM

          I have a small position in Sandstorm that I’ll be adding to in the future. I really have a ton of respect for Nolan Watson the CEO. Check out this older interview below:

          Sandstorm Gold defends streaming – Tue, Nov 3, 2015 – Nolan Watson
          http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=741471

          The most recent info (prior to this Sandstorm announcement of acquiring 56 Royalties from Teck) was that they have acquired a portfolio of 73 streams and royalties, of which 14 of the underlying mines are producing.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:30 PM

            Here is what their website says in an update today:

            Sandstorm has acquired a portfolio of 132 streams and royalties, of which 19 of the underlying mines are producing gold.

            YAMANA GOLD INC. – CHAPADA STREAM
            PRIMERO MINING CORP – BLACK FOX MINE
            FIRST MAJESTIC SILVER CORP. -SANTA ELENA MINE
            METANOR RESOURCES INC. – BACHELOR LAKE MINE
            TRUEGOLD MINING INC. -KARMA STREAM
            YAMANA GOLD INC. – CERRO MORO STREAM
            RAMBLER METALS & MINING PLC – MING MINE
            ENTRÉE GOLD INC. – HUGO NORTH EXTENSION AND HERUGA
            RIO TINTO PLC – DIAVIK ROYALTY
            MARIANA RESOURCES LTD. – HOT MADEN
            GLENCORE PLC – HACKETT RIVER
            KINROSS GOLD CORP. – LOBO-MARTE
            LUNA GOLD CORP. – AURIZONA ROYALTY
            GLENCORE PLC – BRACEMAC-MCLEOD ROYALTY
            COPPER MOUNTAIN MINING CORP. – COPPER MOUNTAIN
            YAMANA GOLD INC. – GUALCAMAYO ROYALTY
            NEWMONT MINING CORP. – EMIGRANT SPRINGS ROYALTY
            ALAMOS GOLD INC. – AĞI DAĞI AND KIRAZLI
            ANGLOGOLD ASHANTI LTD – MWS ROYALTY
            OREZONE GOLD CORP. – BOMBORÉ ROYALTY

            OTHER STREAMS & ROYALTIES

            *A net smelter return (NSR) royalty is based on the proceeds that a mining company receives after selling its product to a smelter or refinery.

            PROJECT OPERATOR LOCATION TERMS
            Producing Bachelor Lake Metanor Resources Canada 1.0% NSR
            Sheerness Westmoreland Coal Company Canada 5.0% GRR
            Thunder Creek Lake Shore Gold Canada 1.0% NSR
            Magmont The Doe Run Resources Corporation USA 1.25% NSR
            San Andres Aura Minerals Honduras 1.5% NSR
            Sao Francisco Aura Minerals Brazil 1.5% NSR
            Koricancha Anthem United Peru 3.3% @ $100/oz
            Altintepe Bahar Madencilik Sanayi ve Ticaret Ltd. Turkey 1.5% NSR
            Development Ajax KGHM Polska Miedz Canada 1.5% NSR
            Bradshaw Gowest Gold Canada 1.0% GSR
            HM Claim Kirkland Lake Gold Canada 2.0% NSR
            Keno Hill Alexco Resources Corp. Canada 25% NPI
            Prairie Creek Canadian Zinc Canada 1.2% NSR
            Ruddock Creek Imperial Metals Corporation Canada 1% NSR
            Gordon Creek Gordon Creek Energy USA 5.0% GOR
            Mt. Hamilton Waterton Global Resource Management USA 2.4% NSR
            Los Verdes Minera Alamos Sonora S.A. de C.V. Mexico 2.0% NSR
            Coringa Magellan Minerals Brazil 2.5% NSR
            Serra Pelada Colossus Minerals Brazil 2.0% NSR
            Don Nicolas CIMINAS Argentina $3/oz up to $2M
            Burhaniye Tumad Madencilik Sanayi Ticaret Turkey 2.0% NSR
            Öksüt Centerra Gold Inc. Turkey 0.5%-1.5% NSR
            Buffelsfontein Village Main Reef South Africa 1.0% NSR
            Advanced Exploration Barry Metanor Resources Canada 0.5%-1.0% NSR
            Blende Blind Creek Resources Canada 2.0% NSR
            Box Fortune Bay Corp Canada 1.5% NSR
            Eastern Extension BonTerra Resources Canada 1.0% NSR
            Fostung Duke Mountain Resources Canada 1.0% NSR
            Hart Northern Sun Mining Canada 1.0% NSR
            Homestake Ridge Homestake Resource Corporation Canada 2.0% NSR
            KM61 Stockport Exploration Canada 0.25% NSR
            Mel Silver Range Resources Canada 1.0% NSR
            Roc d’Or East Extension Integra Gold Canada 2.0% NSR
            Spectrum Skeena Resources Canada 1.65% NSR
            Ann Mason Entrée Gold USA 0.4% NSR
            Railroad Gold Standard Ventures Corporation USA 3.0% NSR
            Whistler Brazil Resources Inc. USA 2.0% NPI
            Paul Isnard Columbus Gold/Nordgold French Guiana 1.0% NSR
            Agua Rica Yamana Gold Argentina 0.25% NSR
            Karaagac Anadolu Export Maden Sanayi ve Ticaret Turkey 1.5% NSR
            Tac/Corak Cengiz Kaya Turkey 1.5%-2% NSR
            Tavsan (Red Rabbit) Ariana Resources PLC Turkey 2.0% NSR
            Akorade Castle Peak Mining Ghana 1.0% NSR
            Exploration Abitibi/Sarah Lake Commander Resources Ltd. Canada 1.0% NSR
            Argosy Great Panther Silver Canada 0.5% NSR
            Bermuda Stillwater Mining Canada 0.5% NSR
            Big Bulk LCT Holdings Inc. Canada 1.5% NSR
            Butterfly Lake North Arrow Minerals Inc. Canada 0.71% GOR
            Broulan Reef Goldcorp/Premier Gold Canada 2.0% NSR
            Cadillac Break Alexandria Minerals Canada 1.0% NSR
            Caramelia Huakan International Mining Inc. Canada 2.0% NSR
            CT Kreft Resources Ltd. Canada 0.75% NSR
            East My-Ritt Yamana Gold Canada 0.5% NSR
            Eureka Pacific Ridge Exploration Canada 1.0% NSR
            Fly Lake Rubicon Minerals Canada 1.5% NSR
            Gold Cap Pacific Ridge Exploration Canada 1.0% NSR
            Grenville Kaminak Gold Canada 1.0% NSR
            Hudson-Patricia Rubicon Minerals Canada 1.5% NSR
            Iron Horse Sokoman Iron Canada 1.0% GSR
            Justin/Hit Aben Resources Canada 2.0% NSR
            Lorrain Canadian Silver Hunter Inc. Canada 2.0% NSR
            Mainstreet Beaufield Resources Inc. Canada 1.2% NSR
            New Afton New Gold Inc. Canada 2.0% NSR
            Newman Madsen Pure Gold Mining Canada 0.5% NSR
            Pickle Crow PC Gold Canada 0.5% NSR
            Rossland Rossland Resources Inc. Canada 1%-2% NSR
            Seymour Lake Canadian Copper Core/Stockport Exploration Canada 1.5% NSR
            Skinner Sabina Gold Canada 7.0% NPI
            Slate Lake Rubicon Minerals Canada 1.5% NSR
            Snip 2 Colorado Resources Ltd. Canada 2.0% NSR
            Summit Lake Rainy Mountain Royalty Corp. Canada 1.9% NSR
            Ten Mile Creek Bernie Kreft Canada 1.5% NSR
            Tsacha Independence Gold Corp. Canada 2.0% NSR
            Waconichi Northern Superior Resources Canada 1.0% NSR
            Wernecke Newmont Mining/Kiska Metals Canada 0.8% NSR
            Windfall Lake Oban Mining Canada 0.5%-1.0% NSR
            Wrigley Devonian Metals Inc. Canada 2.0% NSR
            Ashby Alianza Minerals USA 1.0% NSR
            Aurora Carlin Resources LLC USA 2.0% NSR
            Bellview Alianza Minerals USA 0.5% NSR
            Big W Barrick Gold U.S. Inc. USA 3.0% NSR
            Cabin Creek McEwen Mining Inc. USA 10% NPI
            Cherry Creek McEwen Mining Inc. USA 1.5% GOR
            Columbia Alianza Minerals USA 1.0% NSR
            East Walker Alianza Minerals USA 1.0% NSR
            Fri Gold Alianza Minerals USA 0.5% NSR
            Horsethief Alianza Minerals USA 1.0% NSR
            Kobeh Alianza Minerals USA 0.5% NSR
            Lichen Silver Phoenix Resources Inc. USA 2.0% NSR
            Rain Premier Gold/ Newmont Mining USA 1.5% NSR
            Red Ridge McEwen Mining USA 3.0% NSR
            Shotgun TNR Gold Corp. USA 5.0% NPI
            Van Stone Equinox Resources (WASH), Inc. USA 1.5% NSR
            Cerro Prieto Goldgroup Mining Mexico 2.0% NSR
            Camporo First Point Minerals Honduras 0.4%-1.2% NSR
            Amapari Mineracao Amapari S.A. Brazil 3.0% NPI
            Cuiu Cuiu Magellan Minerals Brazil 1.0% NSR
            Rio Novo South Rio Minas Mineracao S.A. Brazil 0.75% NSR
            Sao Vicente Aura Minerals Brazil 1.5% NSR
            Gatita Compania Minera Potosi S.A. Peru 1% NSR
            Huajoto Alturas Minerals Corp. Peru 0.5%-1% NSR
            Mario Fortuna Silver Mines Inc. Peru 2.0% NSR
            Arcas Altius Minerals Corporation Chile 1.0% NSR
            Celeste Coro Mining Corp. Chile 2.0% NSR
            Pampa Lina Sierra Gorda Sociedad Contractual Minera Chile 0.3% NSR
            Kiskama Talga Resources Ltd. Sweden 1.0% NSR
            Masugnsbyn Talga Resources Ltd. Sweden 1.0% NSR
            Vittangi Talga Resources Ltd. Sweden 1.0% NSR
            Hasandagi Newmont Mining Corporation Turkey 2.0% NSR
            Muratdagi Kenz Enerji ve Madencilik San. Ve Tic A.S. Turkey 2.0% NSR
            Tombul Elazig Baskil Madencilik A.S. Turkey 2.0% NSR

            Jan 19, 2016 19:45 PM

            Sorry that list didn’t look quite that long when I was building it. Anyway, you can see that Sandstorm Gold (SAND) does have a few irons in the fire, so to speak.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:26 AM

      today….they were testing your number 1083……….but, it looks like 1088 is going to win…………….lol………….hope all is well……………………the claw

        Jan 19, 2016 19:30 AM

        Yes, I saw that. I did post this yesterday but you may not have seen it:

        On January 18, 2016 at 11:51 pm,
        Excelsior says:

        “FFM – it’s amazing. I just went to check on the price of Gold in the early morning and it is still $1088. OK I concede it is has definitely been a congestion zone…. 🙂

        Matthew, good work targeting it. I felt $1083 was going to be more substantial for a support zone, but it was violated along with $1088 last week. However, $1088 has been a consolidation zone where a sharp move out of it is likely.”

          Jan 19, 2016 19:41 AM

          Just wanted you to know I was think about your number …..which was trying to retrace to your number today. I should have said…”.it looks like 1088 is going to win again”…..lol

    Jan 19, 2016 19:29 AM

    OIL…………..28.38……down 1.04

    Jan 19, 2016 19:30 AM

    Mixed bag on the miners…….

      Jan 19, 2016 19:04 PM

      I would say that the overall direction from Miners is decidedly down today…..

      Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF (GDX)
      12.41 Down 0.68(5.16%) 2:59PM EST

      Market Vectors Junior Gold Miners ETF (GDXJ)
      17.08 Down 0.87(4.85%) 3:00PM EST

      Sprott Gold Miners ETF (SGDM)
      11.26 Down 0.80(6.63%) 2:56PM EST

      ALPS Sprott Junior Gold Miners ETF (SGDJ)
      17.26 Down 1.28(6.90%) 2:41PM EST

      Global X Gold Explorers ETF (GLDX)
      14.63 Down 1.38(8.62%) 2:58PM EST

      Global X Silver Miners ETF (SIL)
      15.29 Down 1.01(6.21%) 3:00PM EST

        Jan 19, 2016 19:13 PM

        I was checking the miners on kitco, and there looked to be a mixed bag at the time , but, your list of ETF’s ,does show a down direction. With your list of ETFs, it might suggest that stock selection is now very important. …..just thinking……….ootb

          Jan 19, 2016 19:26 PM

          Frank, stock selection at this point in time is the only way to go.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:35 PM

          Yes FFM CCF – You hit the nail on the head. Stock selection is now crucial, as the times to just throw money in an index fund for the general stocks, or an ETF in Miners has been over for the last year or so. Even within the winning stocks over 2015, many of them had a big surge, and then pulled back meaningfully, so buying and holding has been treacherous. In this environment, getting in, getting a return, and getting out using technical indicators has been much more rewarding.

          There will be a time where the general trend bottoms in PMs, and then commodities, where an investor could just bet on a sector, but for now, it is each individual company evaluated on their own merits in Gold/Silver, Oil, Uranium, Copper, Base Metals, Agriculture, etc…. Same for stocks in the general markets.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:35 PM

            I do still like doing short duration trades on the mining ETFs though, but prefer the 3x leveraged ones like JNUG, JDST for the short term trades with more movement.

            I also think that if a longer term investor starting dollar cost averaging into solid ETFs like GDX, GDXJ, SGDM, SGDJ, GLDX, SIL, SILJ, TGLDX that over the longer term 2-4 years they’ll be sitting pretty. Up above I was referring to a shorter term time horizon.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:10 PM

          EX AND DOC………thanks for the reply.. and thoughts.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:33 AM

    First Majestic Produces 16.1M Silver Eqv. Oz in 2015 (4.8M Silver Eqv. Oz in Q4); Announces 2016 Production Outlook and Cost Guidance
    VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA–(Marketwired – Jan. 19, 2016)

    http://www.juniorminingnetwork.com/junior-miner-news/press-releases/1082-tsx/fr/15679-first-majestic-produces-16-1m-silver-eqv-oz-in-2015-4-8m-silver-eqv-oz-in-q4-announces-2016-production-outlook-and-cost-guidance.html#.Vp6N9Pk7tFo

    Jan 19, 2016 19:02 PM

    I had an order filled for AXU as it plunged a few minutes ago. It now has a short sale restriction (SSR).

    Had a few other orders filled, too.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:06 PM

      Wow. That was quite a dip in AXU today.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:25 PM

      Matthew,
      That was a great read re James Madison.
      Thanks

        Jan 19, 2016 19:01 PM

        Especially, where it says……1781 ,1000 continental dollars was equal to one gold dollar.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:12 PM

    Al,
    We’ll get a bottom some time this year, but the bubble phase should take at least a couple of years to complete once the bottom is in.

    So don’t expect the big blowoff until late 2017 or early 2018 at the earliest.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:15 PM

      This is the move that stretches the rubber band far to the downside to setup the slingshot move back in the other direction. Markets have to have that before a bubble can start.

      As an example look at oil in early 2007, and stocks in 1998.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:19 PM

    Doc

    I’m in agreement with you on gold and the stocks. There moving down very aggressively here and I believe like you mention that a technical bounce will come as well as oil stocks but it will be a cat bounce into spring/summer and then the final push down into my long awaited fall. Election year will put a floor in gold either fall 2016 or first quarter 2017. Get ready to see closures/ bankruptcies and m&a. Final leg down sounds good to me.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:20 PM

    Well, as of right now the conventional markets can’t hold its morning’s gains. That as got to be discouraging for the bull.s

    It would seem this market has a lot further to fall even if it goes up in the short to mid term.

    But then again, what do I know. When I think I know the direction of markets I just read things like this. There are people with a lot more resources than I have and who are a lot smarter than I am who can’t get it right.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/david-einhorns-stock-bets-in-2015-were-so-bad-even-his-kids-offered-him-advice-2016-01-19?dist=countdown

    Jan 19, 2016 19:28 PM

    doc
    Matthew
    Brian
    Bill
    Shad
    Bird

    From a monthly perspective, what does the chart say to you regarding future of gold price and oil price? Further down or bottoms are in?

      Jan 19, 2016 19:47 PM

      My 2 cents on Oil is we are starting to grind along the bottom channel for prices where cuts in production will start showing up (however Iran is also entering the marketplace again canceling out some of those cuts in production).

      My prediction for Oil in 2016 is for the grind from the $27-$42 region to stretch out for a while, putting tons of companies out of business, exacerbating debt burdens, and eventually spilling over into a contagion effect in the financial sector with over exposure to energy. It will be painful to watch, as the market cleans house. It will NOT be a quick snap-back rally in Oil (not V-Shaped) in my opinion because there is too much supply to mop up. It will be an irregular U-shaped Oil recovery.

      Same for Gold on the slow grinding bottom and recovery for 2016. We’ve been discussing for days that $1088 seems to be a congestion and consolidation zone, and Gold will breakout hard in one direction from here. Damn, I just checked and we’re at $1088 again. Will Gold breakout or breakdown? It’s a coin toss for me, but I have positions on in a few miners to capitalize if it is a break out.

        cs
        Jan 19, 2016 19:31 PM

        Anyone have any oil stocks?

          Jan 19, 2016 19:57 PM

          One idea is what LPG mentioned in prior editorials. He really got me thinking when he mentioned playing some of the oil producing countries who’s economies are closely tied, and will have relief rallies when Oil does bottom, (like UAE, QAT, KSA, etc….)

          As for Oil I pretty much just use (UWTI) and (DWTI) to trade long or short spot pricing because they are leveraged and small moves in the spot price move them enough to get in and get out. I know other prefer the more tame (USO).

          If you like Oil-related ETFs: (XLE) remains my favorite, but I also trade (XOP) and (OIH), because I feel like those 3 hit most areas of the Oil patch. However there other other good Oil ETFs worth mentioning: (JJE), (DBE), (DIG), (GUSH), (OIL), (UCO)

          As mentioned up above, in this blog, I really feel like now is the time for stock picking for the best returns. Here is a list of individual Oil-related companies I’m watching and trying to pick a handful of winners from the bunch.

          Advantage Oil & Gas, PrairieSky Royalty, Raging River, Whitecap Resources, Peyto Exp & Dev, Bonterra Energy, Crescent Point, Delphi Energy, Gibson Energy, Enbridge, Precision Drilling, Torc Oil, Trican, Encana, Conch Resources, Pinoneer Natural Resources, Imperial Oil, Weatherford Int’l, Bolder Energy, Energy Transfer Partners, Marquee, Pioneer Energy, Husky Energy, Athabasca Oil, Renegade Petro, Cequence Energy, Pan Orient Energy, Comstock Resources, Divergent Energy, and Cameron (who is currently acquiring Schlumberg ….another company I was watching).

          Let me know if you have any thoughts on (producers, oil services, pipeline, storage, etc…) that should be on the radar.

          Best of luck to you in your investing.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:34 PM

            Shad and Matthew

            Thanks for your well thought out responses! Keep up the great work you guys do as well as the rest in here. It’s truly a treat to read what most of you post in here. There is no other site that compares and brings me the latest daily.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:45 PM

            Thanks Glenfidish.

            P.S. – 2 more Oil companies I’m adding to the watch list that just cut their dividends but are worth keeping an eye on for the bottoming in Oil pricing this year are Cenovus Energy and Freehold Royalties.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:44 PM

            Husky, Whitecap slash spending to cope with oil rout
            Jeffrey Jones, The Globe and Mail
            7:17 PM, E.T. | January 19, 2016

            http://www.bnn.ca/News/2016/1/19/Husky-Whitecap-slash-spending-to-cope-with-oil-rout.aspx

            cs
            Jan 19, 2016 19:54 PM

            Thanks Excelsior
            CS

            Jan 19, 2016 19:56 PM

            Glad to share CS. I guess I’m adding on 2 more oil companies to that list to dissect:

            Southwestern Energy and Antero Resources.

            Please let me know if there are any oil producers, explorers, services, pipeline, or related companies that you think may have interesting dynamics.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:19 PM

        Excelsior..& everyone else. This low oil price is having a huge impact on the fortunes of the top 1%, you can be sure “THEY” are not happy bunnies at the moment so they are thinking how are we going to get the price back up.
        Perhaps if we put the pressure on Turkey to stop them buying the Issis oil on the cheap, & then the icing on the cake would be to stir up a war between Iran & Saudi Arabia…..Sorry folks just speculation with an open mind.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:44 PM

          IrishTony – nothing would surprise me at this point. There are now chinks in the armor.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:08 PM

            Ex. As a foot note…As you may know China’s Pres. XI’S is on a three day visit to the region, first port of call Saudi..then Egypt..then Iran…Very telling Saudi first to find out their intentions , & then onto Iran to tip them off…IMO China will side with Iran, alongside Russia……& so shall the first be last , & the last be first.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:12 PM

      I hate to say it but the downtrend still has plenty of strength on the monthly chart. On the bright side, the downtrend is weak and getting weaker on weekly chart. Gold could surprise a few bears and skeptical bulls over the next 2-3 months. How it performs in that time, if it does rally, will tell us a lot about the likelihood of a new low in being in our future.

      http://schrts.co/YqceUk

        Jan 19, 2016 19:21 PM

        The daily chart is mixed:

        http://schrts.co/JoH6PX

        Look at that volume. The bulls were able to hold the 55 day EMA…

          Jan 19, 2016 19:22 PM

          And the 10 week and 600 week EMAs:

          http://schrts.co/a6Bgc2

            Jan 19, 2016 19:31 PM

            As long as gold can close January above the 150 month EMA, I won’t worry too much about a trip to the 200 month EMA.

            http://schrts.co/leHZDT

            Hey Shad, that 3 month EMA is pretty close to your number.

            Jan 19, 2016 19:40 PM

            Good charts and insights Matthew. I am also very interested in how January will close and how this will influence the longer term charts. We’ll see how it goes…….

    Jan 19, 2016 19:33 PM

    Jordan Roy-Byrne says dollar has to continue up before PM’s reach their final bottom. Scroll down on SGT.
    http://sgtreport.com/page/2/

    Jan 19, 2016 19:35 PM

    Based in the tear that Harmony Gold was on since early December, and now it’s rolling over. It could be a good bell weather stock to judge the bottom in these mining stocks. This could be it’s last big run down.

      bb
      Jan 19, 2016 19:14 PM

      Jordan RB seems to be agreeing with Doc, there are a few people thinking this way now.

      Market rule #9. When all the experts and forecasts agree – something else is going to happen.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:39 PM

        Doc and Jordan Roy-Byrne and often Clive Maund have been in agreement for about a year and half now. They are my 3 barometers for the general price of Gold, Oil, USD, general markets.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:26 PM

          Ex…IMO the DOC is the man to listen to….He knows what’s best for his patents .

            Jan 19, 2016 19:49 PM

            Yes, whenever I disregard the Doc’s advice, I get into trouble.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:30 PM

    Bird…Heavy…Frankie…etz…If you are still reading the site, I hope you are all well.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:48 PM

    Little chance left on any further rate hikes at least until the market is above 2080. Oil has the market by the balls.

      Jan 19, 2016 19:13 PM

      Paul…They may have to cancel any further rate rises , instead they may have to bring back QE.(if they ever stopped ) to bail out to big to fail …”OIL”.

        Jan 19, 2016 19:16 PM

        If I was a gambler & had the spare cash….I would go long oil, now.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:40 PM

          I’ll admit that I did take out a small speculative gamble on oil today near the close and bought some UWTI. If Oil hits $27 I’ll add some more. Just looking for a little bounce into the low $30’s to sell it back.

          Jan 19, 2016 19:12 PM

          I bought back my big position in BP today after selling last week.

    Jan 19, 2016 19:58 PM

    seems we’re crashing on all fronts on overnite futures. ‘guess the fed manipulators just don[t care this time round

      Jan 19, 2016 19:25 PM

      They’re out of bullets! Live Greg Hunter interview on Coast to Coast AM, right now on all of this mess!

    Jan 19, 2016 19:24 PM

    **** DOOMSDAY AHEAD FOR ASIAN MARKETS AND THE DOW AS MARKETS TUMBLE!
    Japan Nikkei down over 3% as Down Futures fall 255 points!

    Jan 19, 2016 19:22 PM

    ** MANY PEOPLE / INVESTORS WILL BE ANGRY WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING!
    Nikkei and Hong Kong markets down near 4% as well as Dow Futures down 300 points again!

    WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING…………THERE WAS WARNINGS!

    Jan 20, 2016 20:56 AM

    * All European markets down big! Dow Futures now down 358 pts!
    Topic’s market crushed, also down almost 4%………you are going to see a huge rise in the VIX when this market opens in the morning!

      Jan 20, 2016 20:06 AM

      Looks like gold and silver are a safe haven right now!

    Jan 20, 2016 20:23 AM

    * Like Obama…..Davos members all saying that the global economy is alright!

    Are any of them watching the news right now!

      Jan 20, 2016 20:19 AM

      Come-Come Mark….Did you think they were going to tell the truth , for a change.

      Jan 20, 2016 20:44 AM

      THE WORLD OF SPIN……………DAVOS …world leaders into the NWO……what a joke.

    Jan 20, 2016 20:02 AM

    Imo US dollar has a date with 1.02-1.05 very long term resistance trend line that has formed a head and shoulders formation. Will it complete by summer? Fall? I’m willing to say that I feel strongly enough, that once this pattern tops and dollar reverses, then and only then will gold release itself from the misery it has put many in for these past 4+ years. It’s always been about the dollar and safe haven has not yet completely abandoned it. The key is the dollar! I thought I would bring this up since there has not been much talk about it.

    Jan 20, 2016 20:03 AM

    1.02 is the 61.8 Fibonacci retracement of the 2001 – 2011 move down. I thought it was going to happen in Q1 last year when the dollar’s strength/momentum were very high. At this point, I’m not sure it can make it there before correcting.

    Since this global stock selloff began at the beginning of 2016, the USD is up about .33% while gold is up almost 4%. This is significant considering the environment.

    Monthly USD:

    http://schrts.co/Y6BM0y

      Jan 20, 2016 20:15 AM

      Dollar strength is getting sold lately. This chart of UUP that I posted last week shows what I mean:

      http://schrts.co/MssIbF

      Even today, the dollar is down along with stocks… again.

    Jan 20, 2016 20:10 AM

    Perhaps a new, short-term pattern is emerging.

    With the general markets down again, the mid-tier producers I own are ll doing well this morning (non-prodcuers and explorers, not so much)

    Claude + 0.0 %
    Kirkland Lake + 3.52 %
    Lake Shore + 3.2 %
    Klondex + 1.6 %
    Richmont + 2.9 %

    Jan 20, 2016 20:27 AM

    Wicked strange gold chart for past hour. Multi-testing the 1100. Maybe we see a short-covering rally that breaks 1110?

    Jan 20, 2016 20:35 AM

    In another example why gold is proven to be HATED, there have been NO MSM articles in 2016 that give gold credit as the most stable investment, so far, in 2016.

    Here sheeple, sheeple, sheeple …. come over here … see the pretty shiney thingy?

    Jan 20, 2016 20:16 AM

    Well, if something is going to happen with gold it will happen now @ 11:16 EST

    Jan 20, 2016 20:37 AM

    I think something is happening ……………up $15…gold that is……….retest 1111

      Jan 20, 2016 20:52 AM

      Wouldn’t it be fantastic if $1111 goes down in history as the exact moment gold started it’s new bull market. I’m a Spinal Tap fan.