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What type of a bear market are we going to see in the US markets?

January 27, 2016

Rick Ackerman and Doc kick off today with comments on the US stock markets. They are both in agreement that the markets have entered a bear market and it will be a grinding move down but their time frame is slightly different. We then also relate this bear market to how it will impact the commodities.

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53 Comments
    Jan 27, 2016 27:46 AM

    I love this early Rick and Doc. I could get used to it… they put the market in perspective.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:54 AM

    Apple should lose 50% from the recent peak price. I got out at 123. How many tweaks can they come with on their phones. Eventually you run out of apps and features and the competition matches each advancement. It lost over 50% back when it hit close to the 800 area. I had to buy back my big oil position in the pre-market and it us sharply now.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:22 AM

    Good commentary. Can’t disagree with anything said. And Apple cult? I am in the KER cult! 🙂

    Jan 27, 2016 27:23 AM

    I think this bear market could turn a whole generation off on ever investing in the conventional markets.

      bb
      Jan 27, 2016 27:54 PM

      Ebolan, you think the markets being criminal wouldnt be enough to keep them out?
      or their lack of cash?
      Last night I watched a market comentator showing charts of how much cash is on the sidelines by age.
      Older people feel they have no choice, young people see other options.
      The exposing of manipulation, libor, screaming of shortages, fines for unethical behavior etc etc
      Can ya blame them for being leary?

    Jan 27, 2016 27:29 AM

    Al:
    Thanks for the early show. Your question to Doc & Rick about the bear that’s coming should be an easy answer for a fundamentalist like yourself. We know it takes time for fundamentals to completely assert themselves. Thinking massive debt levels and the derivative nightmare that will eventually cave in. I believe Doc’s predictions are definitely in our future…….God help us all if Rick’s is anywhere near right.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:31 AM

    Doc’s 2 to 3 year bear makes perfect sense to me and is not at all a radical call, in my opinion.

    http://schrts.co/edbz8o

      Jan 27, 2016 27:41 AM

      For Rick’s case, btw, I think a good case can be made that the three tops of the last 16 years are part of one massive top that could result in a multi decade bear market (complete with convincing cyclical bull markets within, of course).

    Jan 27, 2016 27:34 AM

    Can the Dow take back the Fib fan?

    http://schrts.co/ba1fi8

    Jan 27, 2016 27:49 AM

    I think oil is today’s story.

    Has it bottomed or is this another head fake based on rumour and fake news?

    Jan 27, 2016 27:50 AM

    Down, down, down, down……..per Rick
    Driverless cars……just take a cab.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:52 AM

    I posted the otherday ….Iran was looking to place some orders with BOEING….along with Airbus……….for what it is worth..

    Jan 27, 2016 27:54 AM

    Doc…..The Claw has being saying that for year…concerning the CREDIT…………

    Jan 27, 2016 27:58 AM

    Anyone listening to the Jawboning………..is lost for sure………..almost to late.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:00 AM

    Great commentary guys………..appreciate……………the Claw

    Jan 27, 2016 27:11 AM

    Wow! Rick saying down down Down.. Doc saying a three year slow grind down.. I know it’s going to crash, but for The sake of America, I sure would like to see a big two month washout instead of a slow grind down. The washout makes more sense. But either way, it’s going to take the markets a long time to see these high levels. That ,I do agree for sure!

    Great comments today! ( reality )

    Jan 27, 2016 27:20 AM

    And while the US markets are crashing, the emerging markets and certain commodities are the place to be…
    Certain EMs and commodities have bottomed… !! /-:

    Nice bull hammer on Shanghai last night ( – ;
    All the BRICS have now bottomed!

      Jan 27, 2016 27:41 AM

      So far, the bounce in EEM and FXI have been very mediocre. I have to see how they close this week. Crash is still a possibility, IMO.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:51 AM

    Understood, but look at the risk everywhere else. The EMs and industrial commodities were the most beaten up. They can’t go down much further. Too oversold..
    There are buy signals on a lot of this stuff ( according to my technicals ) and some are just a frog hair away from a buy.

      Jan 27, 2016 27:55 AM

      Based on cycles, I happen to believe that oil can fall further into mid Feb time frame. If so, EEM can go down from here. Going down from ‘too oversold’ condition is like a crash. And that is why I think crash is possible.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:01 AM

    I agree about oil. I think it’s going down much further. So is gold and miners.

      Jan 27, 2016 27:20 AM

      Gary Savage thinks the gold miners will rally for 5 or 6 weeks.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:04 AM

    I like copper, steel, uranium and close on WOOD and LIT.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:26 AM

    OK, so we go into a prolonged Depression. That’s just below trend growth, right.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:23 PM
      Jan 27, 2016 27:42 PM

      Mark and I, were talking about this last night , from zerohedge article.
      Bill Holter , at jdsmineset has mentioned this several times…….but, he has a take on this last plunge….

        Jan 27, 2016 27:52 PM

        the amount in inventory…only amounts to about…$169mill(plus or min)……chump change…..Which means……..some might be getting or settling in fiat( gold) paper.

          Jan 27, 2016 27:56 PM

          Check these numbers ,because we were discussing that there were 72 tons, not 72,000 ozs…..if there is 1/2 that amount ,then the number is on $80mill….

            Jan 27, 2016 27:08 PM

            Just checked at Bill Holter last letter……….he is stating only…..$80mill ……this is really cutting it close……………..Looks like paper settlement by weekend….jmho

            Jan 27, 2016 27:10 PM

            COMEX IS OUT …………..will be the next news…………

    Jan 27, 2016 27:53 PM

    Dow is down 200 points but the miners I hold, both silver and gold, are all up nicely.
    I think this is positive for miners at least for today.

    Jan 27, 2016 27:03 PM

    I listen to Doc and Rick both and value their input but predictions are just predictions. Anything could happen at anytime to change or alter the movement in commodities especially the metals. I listen to the commentary for entertainment only. I will hold until the price is right or the crisis is over and then proceed to sell. Wait it out or give it to the estate…

      Jan 27, 2016 27:06 PM

      What do you think may happen in the year 2525? Should I buy, hold, or sell? 🙂

      Jan 27, 2016 27:43 PM

      BTW – Gator, just so you don’t take my sarcasm the wrong way, I was agreeing with your comments about the challenges of long-term predictions for a couple years out. To me that is very difficult to project,l and really is just an entertaining prediction. You can use Monthly charts and go back years and extrapolate out the timing band of cycles (like the 7 year CRB cycle) but a whole lot can change in a heartbeat in this big world.

      There are always market shocks and unforeseen elements that can pop in from out of nowhere, and will have everyone chasing their tails.

      For example I doubt there were many energy “experts” at $100 oil that would believe we’ve been down trading in the high $20’s and low $30s just 2 years later.

        Jan 27, 2016 27:37 PM

        Exc..got it…I find your posts both entertaining and educational..regards…

          Jan 28, 2016 28:48 AM

          Thanks. May you have a prosperous rest of the week. Onward and upwards!

    Jan 27, 2016 27:07 PM

    Sorry to have to comment on Rick’s AAPL comments re: dissing for a year. I recall several times in 2015 when Rick put a target of 145 on AAPL. Never heard him change the target.

      Jan 27, 2016 27:32 PM

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    Jan 27, 2016 27:30 PM

    Mr. Rick: “The direction is down, down, down, DOWN…. this is the beginning of Dark Ages, worse than the Great Depression..”

    One can never accuse Mr Rick of being a cuddly teddy bear about this market!