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Big Al
February 3, 2016

Trump calls for ‘new election’ after accusing Cruz of fraud in Iowa

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Donald Trump is accusing Republican presidential rival Ted Cruz of committing fraud ahead of Monday night’s Iowa caucuses, and he is calling for a “new election.”

“Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” Trump tweeted on Wednesday.

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30 Comments
    Feb 03, 2016 03:06 PM

    It really seems as if some one behind the scenes is pulling the strings on these muppets. Cruz did an extremely stupid thing and it will cost him the nomination. The public is sick of lying distrustful politicians and his actions have basically driven the nail in the coffin.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:12 PM

    As I understand it.
    First CNN erroneously announced that Carson was dropping out.
    This was tweeted out by one of Cruz’ staffers, without double checking.
    Cruz retracted the tweet later, but by then some precincts had voted.

    As regards Cruz being born in Canada, that is correct. But his mother was a US citizen, and so is Ted Cruz.
    As for Trump claiming that fact makes Cruz ineligible, that simply displays Trump’s ignorance.
    Cruz is a natural born citizen, subject to the laws of the U.S.A. at his birth.
    Clearly Trump has never read the Federalist Papers; nor is he familiar with other similar situations. E.g. Senator McCain, born in Panama, who ran for the presidency.

      Feb 03, 2016 03:46 PM

      Thanks for answering the disinfo with facts, CFS

    PF
    Feb 03, 2016 03:15 PM

    Cruz definitely played dirty in Iowa. Rubio is now the favorite to get the Republican nomination. Trump is phony and obnoxious.

      PF
      Feb 04, 2016 04:57 AM

      It’s not just about the Ben Carson issue. It’s also those misleading “voting violation” mailers that the Cruz campaign sent out.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:48 PM
      PF
      Feb 04, 2016 04:01 AM

      I do NOT believe that Trump genuinely cares about most Americans. I think he’s running for President mainly because he likes the attention and media spotlight, and to satisfy his enormous ego.

    Feb 03, 2016 03:07 PM

    Of course Cruz is going to retract the statement. He would be a real moron not to.

    I am not sure about the citizenship debate, is this an ongoing debate? I don’t think it is relevant because the security clearance necessary for president would clear any citizenship issues up. It would be a moot point. Citizenship is not up to the public to decide.

    The Cruz campaign is also taking heat for sending alarming mailers to the people of Iowa. It is enough to get the Iowa secretary of state involved. So this is evidence of dirty politics.

    I didn’t see any information the CNN stated Carson was dropping out of the race. That was the interpretation of the Cruz campaign staff on conversation about Carson returning home. Cruz is responsible for his staff and I can almost guarantee he knew all about this and more than likely, it was a strategy.

    The problem is the public is tired of politics. The general opinion has been that they are dishonest, dirty, and liars. Cruz has not only displayed that he is in bed with the bankers, but now he is already deceiving the public for his gain.

    Feb 03, 2016 03:13 PM

    Constant lurker here for some time.

    There’s getting to be more and more copy and paste crap to wade through these days. Much of it posted by “C Fleck”, rather than being labelled for the actual source.

    It would be better if the site kept to original material, as I for one will be visiting it less frequency due to the weaker signal/noise ratio.

      Feb 04, 2016 04:04 PM

      lookingin, Hello…We like lurkers here at KER….But we like them even more when they step inside & make a point that gets us thinking about how we go about things on the site…..So please quit lurking & join us in conversation….Cheers.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:13 PM

    Trump has brought the citizenship issue up every day.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:22 PM

    Cruz is being criticized, because his wife works.
    Cruz is being criticized for where his wife works.
    Cruz is being criticized for his wife taking out a loan, which was secured against her stock holdings!

    That is hardly Cruz being in bed with bankers!

    Perhaps you might wish to get some facts….

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/here-s-where-ted-cruz-s-gets-his-campaign-money-182038559.html
    one of many articles written on Cruz’s campaign financing.

      Feb 03, 2016 03:38 PM

      CFS,
      You are missing the point. It appears that you support Cruz and that is fine.
      The facts are simple and Cruz admits to them.
      The loans are required to be disclosed in the election process. Neither Cruz nor his wife disclosed this, for obvious reasons, as tarnishing his image or raising questions on his relationship with the bankers. He chose not to report them.
      After he was called on this, he admitted and amended the campaign disclosure. This is cut and dry. Dishonest, no matter how you slice it.

        CFS
        Feb 03, 2016 03:13 PM

        In fact, Cruz did report it in 2 out of the 3 places where he was required to report the loan, which was a fully-secured loan.
        It would, in no way, have tarnished his image.
        His wife was the borrower and was not required to report said loan at any time.

        I am not in favor or not in favor of Cruz. I just do not tolerate mis-information, deliberately and knowingly spread. or spread out of ignorance.
        I actually would prefer Carson, despite his naivety, which is a bit worrying. Carson has good moral values (since he became a neurosurgeon and is a quick learner; clearly much more intelligent than Trump, whom I find rather gauche and stupid.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:24 PM

    Big Al,
    What did Glen Down’s say about Banana Republics?

    Feb 03, 2016 03:07 PM

    Ted Cruz met his wife while both were working on the Bush campaign. His wife is an executive with GS and has worked with the CFR.
    So that should tell ya who they are… And Ted poses to not be establishment! Sham

    Article II section 1 of the constitution. You MUST be a natural born citizen of the US to become president. It’s completely clear!

      CFS
      Feb 03, 2016 03:33 PM

      Cruz ia clearly not part of the Republican establishment; why would you say he is?

        Feb 03, 2016 03:32 PM

        Read the above comment..??!

        And you “think” he’s ..not..??

        Wake up, bud

    Feb 03, 2016 03:18 PM

    The constitutional experts are saying the key words are natural and naturalize….
    Cruz is naturalized….per the experts……and not natural born. To be natural born, he had to be born on US soil.

      CFS
      Feb 03, 2016 03:48 PM

      Read the constitution…….
      Natural born citizen subject to the laws of the US…..i.e. He must be a US citizen AT THE TIME OF BIRTH. That NOT mean he has to be physically born in the US.
      It rules out naturalization, true.
      Cruz was never naturalized; he was a citizen from birth.
      Similarly for McCain

        Feb 04, 2016 04:14 AM

        Great topic.
        I see that you have addressed some of the questions concerning NATURAL AND NATURALIZED.
        US…..AND ……US of A.
        Common law…..and……admiralty law.
        As in all stories and half truths, what was, is not today.
        Since, the Supreme Court, has a hard time establishing facts from past to present, I see that the issue of Cruz is still an open debate…….
        By the way…..how does it feel to be an EX PAT., can you still vote.?
        Just having a good time , with a good debate…………respectfully…….OOTB

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:24 PM

    Precisely, Chartster, I suggest you read the Federalist papers to discover what was meant by the the phrase “Natural born Citizen” and the pdrase supercerceding that term. “subject to the laws of the united states”
    The first 5 presidents were born outside of the US; either because the US did not exist at the time they were born, or because they were born outside the physical land of the US.
    Remember, Louisiana and much of the Midwest and West were not part of the US as a country.
    “Natural born” was NEVER understood to mean “physically born in the actual country of” until the second half of the twentieth century.

    CFS
    Feb 03, 2016 03:30 PM

    Chartster, The Natural born current implied concept has actually not been tested by the Supreme Court. If interpreted in the way in which the idiot Trump wishes to use, it would mean that the children of the armed force members born while serving outside the country, or ambassadors and their staff, serving outside the country could not be eligible. This is an example where “legal” language does not coincide with ordinary english language.

    Feb 03, 2016 03:35 PM

    Non of the legal language is common law. It’s all admiralty law, and THat Is the Problem.

      CFS
      Feb 03, 2016 03:51 PM

      The Founding Fathers discussed the term.
      They did not want a naturalized citizen to become President, because of the possibility of divided loyalty.

    Feb 03, 2016 03:38 PM

    That’s why we do the ole Abbot and Costello ” who’s on first ” and zero gets done in this country. Everyone is bamboozled from the get-go.