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The leverage between gold stocks and gold remains very low

July 19, 2016

Dan Oliver, founder and President of Myrmikan Capital joins us for a special editorial today to look at the leverage between gold and gold stocks. We pull up the 20 year HUI:Gold chart (below) and note that even with the +120% move this year we are still at the near bottom of the range.

We also discuss the factors that Dan sees driving the actual gold price in the future. Here’s a hint… it has a lot to do with debt around the world.

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HUI to Gold

 

Discussion
7 Comments
    CFS
    Jul 19, 2016 19:34 AM

    Precisely so! I could not agree more.

    But, of course, there is a natural pace to things; it’s time for a sideways move first.

    CFS
    Jul 19, 2016 19:47 AM

    It appear to me Japan was pumping money again into the system last night.
    It must be their turn.

    Those darned rules in Europe seem to be a problem and are impeding pumping money in to support Italy’s banking system. That could be where the first black swan takes off from.

    CFS
    Jul 19, 2016 19:16 AM

    The European Union on Tuesday launched dispute proceedings against China in the World Trade Organization.
    After similar action against China by the U.S. last week, the EU announced the move alleging China’s measures violate WTO rules, distort the market and unfairly favor Chinese companies.

    “We cannot sit on our hands seeing our producers and consumers being hit by unfair trading practices,” said EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom.

    The EU said China imposes duties and quotas on 11 materials it exports to the EU. They include graphite, cobalt, chromium, magnesia, antimony and indium, among 20 raw materials considered “critical to Europe’s economy.”

    The move sets off a 60-day period where the two sides can hold consultations and try to resolve the issue, after which the EU can seek an external ruling if no deal is reached.

    The EU filings noted China controls two-thirds of the world supply of graphite, which is used for lubricants and in steelmaking; it’s the world’s top producer of cobalt, which is used in rechargeable batteries, thanks to deals with third countries; it produces 78 percent of antimony, which can be used for flame-retardants for plastics and aircraft; China produces half of the world’s refined indium, which can be used in flat screens.

    Jul 19, 2016 19:27 AM

    Good chart. After reading Stewart Thompson’s article on 321Gold this morning and seeing the chart of XAU/Gold (http://www.graceland-updates.com/images/stories/16jul/2016jul19xau1.png) I wondered to myself how much the HUI/Gold ratio would resemble his chart. I wonder if Dad read his article ? Matthew posted the chart I’ve included in your interview with Rick this morning.

      Jul 19, 2016 19:20 PM

      I like Stewart’s chart because it is quarterly so it provides a really big big-picture view of things. In my own charting, I like to use the HUI, GDM, and XAU but the XAU is the oldest, most diversified and has the most exposure to silver by far.

      XAU top 30 components:

      # Company Name Security Symbol
      1 AGNICO EAGLE MINES AEM
      2 ANGLOGOLD ASHANTI LT AU
      3 BARRICK GOLD CP ABX
      4 BUENAVENTURA MINING BVN
      5 COEUR MINING, INC. CDE
      6 ELDORADO GOLD CORP EGO
      7 FIRST MAJESTIC SILVE AG
      8 FREEPORT MCMORAN FCX
      9 GOLD FIELDS LIMITED GFI
      10 GOLD RESOURCE CORP GORO
      11 GOLDCORP INC GG
      12 HARMONY GOLD MINING HMY
      13 HECLA MINING CO HL
      14 IAMGOLD CORPORATION IAG
      15 KINROSS GOLD CP KGC
      16 MCEWEN MINING INC. MUX
      17 NEW GOLD INC NGD
      18 NEWMONT MINING CORP NEM
      19 NOVAGOLD RESOURCES I NG
      20 PAN AMER SILVER CORP PAAS
      21 PRIMERO MINING CORP PPP
      22 RANDGOLD RES LTD GOLD
      23 ROYAL GOLD, INC. RGLD
      24 SANDSTORM GOLD LTD. SAND
      25 SEABRIDGE GOLD INC SA
      26 SIBANYE GOLD LTD SBGL
      27 SILVER STAND RES SSRI
      28 SILVER WHEATON CORP SLW
      29 STILLWATER MNG CO SWC
      30 YAMANA GOLD INC AUY

    Jul 19, 2016 19:42 AM

    Dan, not Dad.