Minimize

Welcome!

S&P earnings and the GDPNow forecast drop

Cory
October 18, 2016

In this post I wanted to bring up a couple topics that I think are noteworthy investors and those watching the US economy.

1 – S&P 500 earnings for Q3 – Analysts are now predicting that Q3 earnings for S&P 500 companies will be positive! To kick off earnings season analysts were expecting a 0.7% drop in earnings. This number has been revised to an increase of 0.2% (click here to read the recent story over at Reuters). I know 0.2% is pathetic but it would end 3 consecutive quarters of declining earnings. This would be a positive change and very well could give some ammo to the bulls for stocks in the fourth quarter.

Also analysts are expecting earnings and revenue to increase in Q3 which would be the first time since 2014.

We talk a lot about how estimates have been consistently lowered before earnings are released and how this can trick the market into thinking things are better than they really are. Earnings per share data can be skewed because of share buybacks and “creative accounting” practices but overall if companies can start posting consistent earnings and revenue growth quarter after quarter I think we need to take note.

So far only 52 S&P 500 companies have released earnings so there is still a lot to prove. I am only saying that we need to remove any biases in regards to the market and watch the rest of the earnings roll in. If we close out earnings season in the positive (growth) then this could push the US equity markets higher into the end of the year.

2 – GDPNow significant decline – All you need to do is look at the GDPNow chart below…

Evolution of Atlanta Fed GDPNow real GDP forecast

What a pullback! Throughout the whole projection time frame, that started on August 1st, the GDP estimate has been lowered. Currently projecting 1.9% growth it is reasonable to assume the trend lower will continue before the actual GDP is released. This will further drive home the fact that we are in a slow growth economy at best! The only thing I can say on the flip side, is anyone surprised…

All I wanted to do in this post is bring up 2 factors that investor will be considering when investing. I understand that my conclusions to the 2 points above totally contradict each other for future market direction. The only thing I can say is that investors have been largely ignoring GDP forecasts when driving markets higher. Plus GDP growth has been constantly at low levels. The earnings growth this quarter (potentially) is a change in direction that I think investors can reference for justifying placing more money in the markets – which would make them run higher. Remember the earnings number especially is a short term driver and investors will quickly look forward to Q4 estimates.

I am curious to know what you think about the 2 points brought up above. Please share your thoughts on what these mean (if anything) for future market direction.

Discussion
23 Comments
    Oct 18, 2016 18:25 AM
      Oct 18, 2016 18:41 PM

      Interesting time to launch a silver fund. I did get into the Sprott Silver Fund some time ago and got out before I lost too much money.

    Oct 18, 2016 18:10 PM

    Off topic:

    Crony Communism: Hillary Clinton’s Game Plan For America

    “The goal of socialism is communism.” – Vladimir Lenin

    http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/crony-communism-hillary-clintons-game-plan-for-america

    (thanks to 321gold)

      Oct 18, 2016 18:48 PM

      Matt, play the game to win. Make enough to retire ASAP and move out to the middle of no where, Live happy in your last days. This is my game plan.

        Oct 18, 2016 18:08 PM

        Jason, that’s not a bad plan. In my book, the middle of nowhere has always been somewhere. 😉

        Oct 18, 2016 18:45 PM

        You know Jason, that is kind of what Kathy and I did. I wake up every morning and look up at the sky saying “Thank you again, God” And, I really mean it!

      Oct 18, 2016 18:44 PM

      Interesting but it is the same old story we have read and talked about so many times in the past.

    Oct 18, 2016 18:36 PM

    Matthew,
    I like PXT.TO
    YGR.TO
    AAV:TO
    RRX.TO
    Do you have any oil and gas juniors that you think will do well?

      Oct 18, 2016 18:09 PM

      Sorry Pete, I have none at this time. Thanks for sharing some of yours.

        Oct 18, 2016 18:17 PM

        No problem,Thank you Matthew.

          Oct 18, 2016 18:34 PM

          what’s wrong with XOM, CVX, SU, DVN, RDS.A ?

            Oct 18, 2016 18:49 PM

            Too big and heavy for me BB,Thanks.

        Oct 18, 2016 18:46 PM

        The industry will definitely come back, Matthew. But it is definitely not quite back quite yet.

      Oct 18, 2016 18:07 PM

      Pete:

      You didn’t ask me but I have one that has a bright future. Read what I said, look at the chart since then and decide.

      http://www.321gold.com/editorials/moriarty/moriarty070616.html

      Shining a Light on Torchlight

      I own a lot of shares including some bought much higher. My opinion is that $80 oil, it can be a $15 stock. I could be wrong but that’s how I’m betting. Big short interest

        Oct 18, 2016 18:51 PM

        I strongly disagree with your article, Robert. You have reached “guru hood”!

        Oct 18, 2016 18:22 PM

        Thank you,Robert Moriarty

          Oct 18, 2016 18:46 PM

          Pete,

          Are you referring to Bob’s recommendation?

            Oct 19, 2016 19:26 AM

            Big Al,

            I thanked Bob for posting the article/”recommendation”(Before i read it)
            I may or may not agree with articles i post or read on the blog.

            Thanks

    Oct 18, 2016 18:19 PM

    Just buy the two biggest, fascism benefactors–Amazon and Google, and you cannot lose.

      Oct 18, 2016 18:21 PM

      that should be “beneficiaries” not benefactors.

    Oct 18, 2016 18:38 PM

    GDP is a cooked up number but much more accurate than the completely useless jobs report which is just a projection based on what assumptions are plugged in. They changed the method of measuring not long ago when it was weakening too much. I have believed for quite a while that the real number may be negative.

      Oct 18, 2016 18:48 PM

      Of course, they changed the equation when they had to so that “the boat would stay afloat”.