McCain got a battle ship named after him……I hope it sinks in the bay of pigs…(of course all members should get in the life boat.and no deaths occur)

If , he was distributing coke a cola……then he got what he is giving everyone else.

What’s really funny is how so many people have no ability to recognize bs when it hits them in the face. Sane people know there’s a problem when the whole scam is kicked-off with the fear-mongering of a politician who’s in cahoots with Goldman Sachs to shakedown the public. Sane people don’t ignore the blatant hypocrisy of the scam’s leaders and paid promoters. Sane people know what evidence of fraud looks like and knows there’s plenty of it.
The government’s calls to jail “deniers” should set off alarm bells in anyone with an IQ over 85 since only lies need such protection. Scientific and truth are clearly in the crosshairs when the government subsidizes only one group of scientists and threatens to jail the rest.
Then there’s the common sense issue. What kind of idiot believes that such small changes would be catastrophic to life on earth when there have been periods of much greater warming in the past?

How is it possible that so many fall for the likes of Bill Nye, the fake science criminal guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znPwjfbNh8

The whole scam is about control and nothing more. The push for electric cars is part of that control.

The push for Electric Vehicles is multi-faceted and is searching for a way to break the dependence on hydrocarbons for vehicles, and instead to electrify the whole transportation network from trains to buses to cars to bikes.

For many countries the push to electric vehicles really deals much more around targets of cutting down on smog and improving air quality. That is why China went after Electric Buses first to try to make a dent in their terrible air quality.

Regardless, that growing sector is going to need raw commodities to keep manufacturing the vehicles, batteries, or various inputs and improvements needed to the Energy grid, and I’m happy to look for extractive companies able to capitalize on the growth trend.

Tesla’s long term viability is questionable and its success so far is due to government support (cronyism).

Free markets liberate the maximum number of people by making life as cheap as possible and decentralizing power. Governments do just the opposite and pushing/forcing electric cars on society is consistent with that.

As for China’s smog, that can be dealt with without going electric if they choose to —Western cities already have. Catalytic converters work very well.

The electric car:
-cuts almost no CO2 (of course, that’s a good thing)
-costs taxpayers a fortune
-generates more air pollution than traditional gasoline cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU

The War on Cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Lo0ieyQtQ

Matthew – Those are interesting videos and they raise some good points calling into question some of the assumptions around Electric Vehicles, but they are not without their own propaganda points and misinformation as well.

They make the case that Electric Vehicles are “Coal – powered” and for some parts of the world that will be the case on a certain percentage of vehicles depending on the power inputs. However, their numbers are quite skewed, because they left Nuclear Power completely out of the equation, and they made calculations that all power that was not Solar/Wind was therefore… Coal, which is wrong, because there are also Nat Gas plants, Biomass plants, and Hydro power in utilized in both the US and all over the globe.

This premise that EVs are almost all coal powered is not accurate and is just as slanted as the views on the other side. Yes, there is a fair bit of coal still contributing to the US energy grid, but Nat gas and Nuclear in particular with Hydro, Solar, and Wind as growing contributors are also powering the EVs and the modern world. Obviously it is a mixed energy input, and that greatly affects their assumptions on the Carbon footprint used to calculate their totals. Coal will only continue to be phased out over time thus further reducing the delta on the CO2 emissions and economics of EVs, yet they act like everything is static in the energy sector, (which couldn’t be further from the truth).

Also, Oil companies and Auto plants have had their fair share of government subsidies and tax advantages over the years, just like Tesla or other automakers are now receiving. The government was just as involved in in gas guzzlers from the PetroDollar to auto Bail Outs, so there is 2 sides to that coin for sure.

Look how much money we have spent on the military in the past through today to ensure our Oil interests. This enormous military expense dwarfs any of the subsidies that Electric Vehicles are receiving and then some.

They then point out at the battery components are mostly dangerous rare earth products, but in fact most of the batteries are made of Nickel, Copper, Cobalt, Lithium, and Manganese. Only incredibly small (if any) rare earths are utilized and it depends on the type of battery. Those elements are mined responsibly in many jurisdictions, so the argument that their construction is more dangerous to the environment than traditional autos is way off base.

Next they make the point that most Electronic vehicles have ranges less than 100 miles, and base all their numbers on that. Clearly that is not the case and those numbers are very massaged. Many EVs have ranges far beyond that now, and they are improving on this every year, and will only continue to expand the ranges:

> 2017 Tesla Model S – Driving Range: 335 miles
> 2017 Tesla Model X – Driving Range: 295 miles
> 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV – Driving Range: 238 miles
> 2017 Volkswagen e-Golf – Driving Range: 126 miles
> 2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric – Driving Range: 124 miles
> 2017 BMW i3 – Driving Range: 114 miles
> 2017 Nissan Leaf – Driving Range: 107 miles
> 2017 Kia Soul EV – Driving Range: 93 miles (I bet they break 100 miles range next year)

In summary, there are clearly huge assumptions that many wacko environmentalists make about the how “green” or efficient or environmentally friendly EVs are — no doubt about that. However, conversely, super-slanted videos like these tow have their fair share of disinformation. What is most noteable is that beyond jumping to their own convenient and erroneous conclusions, there is also an underlying hidden assumption that there will be no further innovation in the technology.

Prices and economies of scale will come down, and there are dozens of battery plants being built and car companies making the transition beyond just was Tesla is working on. Tesla steals the headlines, but it is a far bigger trend in motion than just one auto company or GigaFactory. The trend is happening for a multitude of reasons, and it is a complex issue, but the EVs are coming whether people like them or not, but gasoline powered cars aren’t going to be phased out suddenly either.

It is definitely an interesting investing theme, and there is far more to Energy Storage and mobile energy in Battery form, than simply EVs anyway. The backup power for Solar & Wind or mobile off-site business power are huge growth areas. Laptops, Tablets, Smart phones, Power tools, Farming Equipment, Mining equipment, drones, etc… are all utilizing battery power regardless of the EV debate.

The only constant is change….

Ex, the bottom line is, Tesla couldn’t have done it without a lot taxpayer money and the gov was happy to it to them. The government wants to force electric on everyone because it further centralizes its power not because of this idiotic AGW scam.

Only the economically illiterate (90+% of the people thanks to Keynesian brainwashing) might believe that the gov knows better than the market and the market for EVs isn’t there yet without government help. Remember, whatever the government subsidizes, you get more of. That includes Teslas, fake science, and poverty – to name just three.

P.s.- The videos I posted had nothing to do with my views. I found them just yesterday to include with my comment for the tidbits that were good.

Correction: “…the gov was happy to GIVE it to them.”

Yes, I do agree with you about government subsidies pushing things on the people, but my point above is that they did the same thing with the Auto industry for decades. Also, look at the tomfoolery around the politics of the PetroDollar and the huge government bail outs of US auto companies back in 2008 and 2009 that wasted US tax money interrupting the free market system. If it truly was the free market system, without government interference, then those US auto makers would have gone the way of the Dodo.

Again, think of all the Massive amounts of money spent on the military industrial complex chasing after our Oil interests for the last few decades in the Middle East. That blew exponentially more tax money to keep the fossil fuels game going and the money they’ve given to Tesla pales in comparison.

U.S. military spending is not an appropriate analogy. There is an obvious legitimate market for oil whether the U.S. loses its grip on it or not. It remains the single most important commodity. (Silver arguably comes in second.)

The auto industry bailout (which Ford did not need) is also not a good analogy since it nothing to do with the real market for vehicles. It was cronyism for sure since the public was looted to prop-up their bad decisions but, absent the gov’s guarantees, sound business practices would have kept problems to a minimum. Henry Ford didn’t need the gov to get going. That’s the difference.

So, the industry would not have gone the way of the Dodo, just the GM and Dodge Dodos would have.

Yes, I didn’t mean the whole auto industry, just the companies that had not executed, and were bankrupt, and should have gone the way of the Dodo, if the free markets were allowed to operate on their own. Those businesses were bailed out at the taxpayers expense, and I see little difference in the thievery between that and subsidies.

As for the for the wars for Oil, I never said anything about Oil being abandoned. My point was that the huge amount of taxpayer money spent on military efforts and proxy wars, all with the aim of securing Oil for American businesses and to keep the costs at the pumps reasonable, was a huge drain on the average citizen and equates to theft through taxation to fund those military operations. Sorry, but I see very little difference in huge swaths of money that our government has thrown at keeping the auto industry afloat and “managing” the oil/gas prices, versus the subsidies electric cars are getting.

The lobbyists and paid for politicians (and the laws the pass) haver been just as prevalent with gasoline powered cars for decades, and so the latest efforts to underpin EVs are just the latest in a long history of cronyism, as it relates to the transportation and energy sectors.

I am as fine trading Platinum & Palladium or Oil stocks to support that industry as I am trading Lithium, Cobalt, Copper, and Nickel miners for the EVs. They are all extractive industries, and supply & demand fundamentals are there to support their future expansion.

Re: “I see little difference in the thievery between that and subsidies.”

Of course, there’s no difference at all if we are talking about the theft. But my point is that Tesla couldn’t have been successful without huge amounts of taxpayer money because, in the real world, the business doesn’t work. The same has never been true of the auto industry as a whole.

Note that the big banks also needed bailouts in 2008. Is that because banking doesn’t work in the real world? Of course not. Like the auto industry, the banking industry simply operated with the knowledge that it could socialize its losses after leveraging to the moon to privatize the largest possible profits. They responded to reality as they knew it. That’s the moral hazard that’s built into the system.

You’re missing my point with your oil talk as well. Whether the U.S. is securing oil for its citizens or power over the rest of the world, or both, has nothing to do with my point. Oil is an economic industry that does not need propping up.

Matthew it would appear we are discussing different points here, but I’ll reply to a few of the points you raised (only it will take a few posts due to the 1 link limit without going to moderation for a day):

1) I was categorically against bailing out BOTH the Auto companies and Banks that had failed. If is business fails it fails and the free market equalizes those industries by competition, innovation, and supply and demand.

In reference to your statement question:

“Is that because banking doesn’t work in the real world? Of course not.”

I would disagree. There are banks that run bad business and fail all the time…. So YES, Banking often fails in the “Real World” and none of them should be “Too Big to Fail”.

https://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

I mentioned that the regular auto industry had been subsidized for decades, because it has. There are many times the governments desire for more Auto sales and GDP numbers caused to take many actions that subsidized, or allowed insane tax breaks to the Auto sector to stimulate consumer demand and increase exports.

That isn’t supposed to be a controversial statement and the cronyism has been EXACTLY the same ilk of political pressure and taxing citizens to throw Big Auto a bone for a long time.

Your responded.

“Tesla couldn’t have been successful without huge amounts of taxpayer money because, in the real world, the business doesn’t work. The same has never been true of the auto industry as a whole.”

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Here is a succinct response on the subject:

How much does the U.S. subsidize the automotive industry?

“Direct subsidies are limited to environmental issues (paying tax rebates for EVs).

Indirect subsidies are varied in number and application. Oil, which powers most automobiles, is subsidized by billions per year. So without the oil subsidies, the car market would crash.

A number of protective measures are in place to help US manufacturers over foreign makers, but those protections aren’t subsidies, and they are ineffective when the foreign makers have local factories.

As the US has bailed out the US makers with direct subsidies before, the implied “too big to fail” gives a direct benefit to the makers, as they are a lower credit risk if the US government steps in to cover shortfalls, as they have before and can easily do again. So though not a direct subsidy, the implied backing of the US government keeps their operating costs lower than they would otherwise be.”

As for the Oil discussion, I can think of few areas where the US has intervened so openly in the pricing mechanism for its citizens, or manipulating trading partners, or most importantly in using military force (and burning through Trillions in tax money on the military industrial complex) to secure ongoing supply channels.

This is obviously to keep the Auto industry propped up. If gas cost $8 a gallon many would ditch their cars for public transport, would car pool, would work from home, or multi-car families would drop down to 1 auto. This would CRUSH the auto industry, so the government, lobbyist, politicians, and process is designed to keep the pricing down and Americans buying more cars.

BTW – If “Cash For Clunkers” was a huge subsidy to the American consumer to ditch old cars and buy, buy, buy new cars and support the crashing auto industry back in 2008 and 2009. (All the tax payers expense of course)

You wrote:

“You’re missing my point with your oil talk as well. Whether the U.S. is securing oil for its citizens or power over the rest of the world, or both, has nothing to do with my point. Oil is an economic industry that does not need propping up.”

Yeah, I never said anything about propping up Oil. It has over 3000 uses (especially in chemical, paint, plastic, and lubricants). That was NEVER my point. The point was the PetroDollar politics and war for the sake of Oil all to keep the cost goods for Americans (often at the detriment to the rest of the world).

Geez Ex, you’re still completely missing it. Of course businesses of all kinds fail! You’re focusing on bailouts within legit sectors that don’t need government help no matter how much cronies might claim otherwise. Tesla needed massive help just to get started. The auto and banking industries can absolutely be successful in a free market if they had to be. Not Tesla.

I’ve never once disputed that Tesla couldn’t be in business without the subsidies, and we are in complete agreement there.

Where we differ is that I just don’t see it as any different that all the other auto companies that would have failed without the government’s hand in the cookie jar, without them manipulating domestic gas prices, and the auto industry has been propped up at a number of periods of time in this country. My point is that it is just more of the same….. and there were times (as referenced above as recently as 2008-2009) where US auto makers would have been out of business without the government bail outs…. So they had FAILED as a business and could not stand on their own 2 feet.

Those companies needed the government handout to get ramped back up because their business was over. Other companies were struggling, and so they launched “Cash For Clunkers”. How is that not government intervention and propping up markets and companies so they wouldn’t fail? I just don’t see that as any different than subsidizing Tesla while it is getting ramped up (with the exception of EVs being new technology versus an old technology). The 2008 and 2009 GMs were new just like the Teslas are, and GM was failing, so the government kept them in business so they could improve efficiencies at their plants and rightsize their operations.

In addition I tire of discussing just Tesla, as they are only 1 company and the majority of domestic and foreign auto makers are phasing over into EVs as well. As I mentioned earlier, Tesla may steal the headlines, but they are NOT the whole Electric Vehicle market, nor anywhere close to it. I’m more interested in the trend in the entire sector and not obsessing over the actions of just one company.

After following the EV industry every week for years, it often irks me that people place a disproportionate importance on Tesla and what Elon Musk is doing. Elon is NOT making all those Electric Buses or millions of E-Bikes in China. Elon and Tesla are not supplying all of Asia or Europe or the US for that matter with all the EVs. That would be like analyzing the entire Gold industry by what happens to Goldcorp or Barrick. It’s a big world out there and EVs are only a part of the Battery Tech market in first place.

Bottom line, the emergence of Electric Vehicles would have happened without Tesla, and will happen even if the government subsidies went away (albeit at a slower pace).

The interest from dozens of Auto and Tech companies in creating new EVs speaks just as much to the spirit of innovation, the trends in technology (GPS, Radar, laser scanning, computers, etc…) and for many it is seen as a means (for better or worse) in easing pollution concerns in major population centers.

I just don’t buy that the ONLY reason is so that the government can control us all and take away our freedom through gas-powered vehicles. (although I agree they’ll do as much to control things as possible….. but they do that in every sector from Food and farmland to medicine and healthcare).

It just the same old tune with government trying to steer the ship, but this is merely an idea whose time has come and not all the reasons are about control was my original point.

GH, Thanks…..I learn a little more every day. Is that not what living is about?

GH – Good points today. Thanks for the link.

Quite so, CFS. We have a great information exchange here 🙂

Oops–I got that wrong about the black areas on the previous map. This map is more informative:

http://earthenginepartners.appspot.com/science-2013-global-forest?hl=en&llbox=10.05%2C-8.83%2C116.17%2C80.73&t=ROADMAP&layers=layer0%2C10%3A100%2Clayer9%3A100%2C6%2Clayer12%2C2%3A100

We agree, CFS. I said it’s a good thing that the electric car cuts almost NO CO2. Proponents claim that it does cut CO2 and (for once) it’s a good thing that they are wrong.

There are some interesting charts and thoughts from Franklin Sanders (the Money Changer):

https://ceo.ca/index?5feb37bfb7b5

Agreed. The first place to start with water is the source, and then go look into whether it is a true spring, river, well, aquifer, public water source, or filtered plant water.

People just look at the pictures or the name/slogan and think “hmm this looks healthy.”

🙂

Haha!

And they pay less than $3.50/1 million litres for the water they extract in Ontario and around $2.25/1 million litres in b.c.

Wonder where the political kick back go to…..

Distilled water is also good for keeping the cells of your car battery charged, but it is also considered “Dead Water”.

I could see adding in supplements to it, but believe filtering tap water is the easier solution and it cuts down on buying all the bottles or gallon jugs constantly at premium prices. Many people spend more per gallon or liter on water than they do on gasoline but seem to think nothing of that. People are great…..

Yeah, to drink distilled water exclusively I would think one would need to distill it oneself. Preferably with a unit that lends itself to off-grid distillation.

Interesting point on ‘dead water’.

It seems there’s still a lot we don’t know about water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDoOlX9Fn0

Distilled water is pure water. There’s no need to add anything to it. If store-bought, just filter it to remove VOCs.

Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water

“The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state.

I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.

Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.

The ideal water for the human body should be slightly alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like

calcium
magnesium

Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.

Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.

Water filtered through a solid charcoal filter is slightly alkaline. Ozonation of this charcoal filtered water is ideal for daily drinking. Longevity is associated with the regular consumption of hard water (high in minerals). Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water.”

http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm

What Are the Dangers of Drinking Distilled Water?
by Barbaraa – Jun 18, 2015

> Mineral Deficiencies

“Drinking distilled water robs your body of its natural source for many minerals essential to good health. This results in mineral loss in the body with increases your risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, hypertension, coronary artery disease and premature aging.”

>> Tooth Decay

“Because distilled water does not contain any fluoride, dentists are beginning to see an increased number of cavities in young children who drink bottled water. Consumers believe bottled, distilled water is safer than the water supplies in their local communities.”

>>> Electrolyte Imbalance

The WHO and others studied the use of distilled water and found that because it is stripped of all minerals it can cause electrolyte imbalances in your body. Your body will leach electrolytes from your tissues in order to add them to the mineral free water you are drinking. This is necessary so that your body can function normally and eliminate waste. If the water redistribution process in your body is not functioning properly, you may experience fatigue, weakness, headache, muscle cramps and an abnormal heart rate.”

http://www.livestrong.com/article/372479-what-are-the-dangers-of-drinking-distilled-water/

ditto…….”distilled water is pure water” (per Matthew)

I’m not sure how “pure” is the issue. See the two above articles. Just drinking distilled water is not a healthy idea. Filtering out tap water is a MUCH better solution, it is also pure, but doesn’t leech electrolytes out of your body.

Your body needs micro nutrients, they are almost as important as getting the right amount of vitamin D. Drinking distilled water will only rob you of the hardest to get nutrients that are much harder to obtain today because of the depletion of our soils by continued agricultural methods and not allowing the earth to replenish itself.

Mercola is ok on many topics but not this one. No one is going to “die early” (lol) from drinking pure water. A healthy diet is all you need for the minerals that you really need. People can research it themselves if they are interested.

GREAT POST………thanks………

Bottom Line…………I am not going to drink public tap water………. 🙂

Btw, why would the WHO and Livestrong tell the truth about drinking distilled water when both want you to consume fluoride? (Distillation is the only way to remove all fluoride.)

There are plenty of filtration systems that remove the fluoride from tap water, along with chlorine, agricultural run off, sediment, pharmaceutical chemicals, and micro organisms in the water. (trust me I am no fan of fluoride, as it accelerated my thyroid issue, so I’m very aware…. Not to mention I have new age friends that tell me it will block my 7th chakra pineal gland activation with the divine… 🙂 )

Nobody is saying to drink the tap water straight out of the faucet, but filtering it and then refilling water, makes it just as pure as distilled water, without having to keep buying it.

Again, if people had a home distillery that would be good, and yes they can supplement the vitamins and nutrients their body needs (because you won’t get everything you need from the cardboard… I mean food being served at restaurants or in grocery stores today – where the soil it grows in has been depleted of most of the trace elements and micro nutrients).

My point, is that I don’t have to go buy bottled water (but do once in a while out of convenience) because for the last decade I’ve had a whole house filtration system, and a quality reverse osmosis system. Whether I’m boiling noodles or filling up a container of water for the day, it is is just as quality as distilled, and I don’t have to go keep buying jugs of distilled water every week.

Ex, I doubt that reverse osmosis will remove 100% of fluoride.
I never buy bottled water either and do not drink from plastic – even bpa free plastic (although I’m sure some types are perfectly safe).

https://myaquanui.com/2015/11/18/what-is-the-difference-between-reverse-osmosis-ro-and-distilled-water/

Fwiw: The Benefits of Drinking Distilled Water

https://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/PDFs/vivian-goldschmidt-the-benefits-of-drinking-distilled-water.pdf

“The unencumbered and subtle negative charge in distilled water attracts
the positively charged acidic waste products and helps flush them out of
the body. Perhaps this is why another common myth about drinking
distilled water is that it causes essential minerals to leach out of the body,
but nothing could be further from the truth.”

Thanks for those post Matthew, and it does help me to look at Distilled Water in a new light, and the critiques of distilled water may be on shakier ground than I realized.

It’s so difficult to wade through all the competing vantage points in health articles, but I did review the links you posted, and found a link to another site where an individual can by a home distilling unit. Not THAT I may have an interest in.

I think I’m going to fill this distilling unit with water that has already been through a reverse osmosis filtering process first. (Double-filtered) 😉

This may be one of the next things I order:

https://myaquanui.com/shop/aquanui-10g-water-distiller/

With regards to Fluoride, there are many Reverse Osmosis filters that absolutely do remove it. Again, lots of conflicting info out here, but I was promised the unit I have does, along with Chlorine and a number of other chemicals in my water supply.

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Does Reverse Osmosis Remove Fluoride?
by MICHAEL JUDGE Last Updated: Feb 20, 2014

According to a 2008 University of Nebraska guide, reverse osmosis can remove many typical impurities from water. These include dissolved minerals such as calcium and magnesium, as well as solid particles and pesticide contaminants. The guide states that RO systems will remove fluoride ions from water. This guide also notes that RO units can be configured to produce enough fluoride-free water for an entire household, and recommends that a reliable water treatment dealer be consulted to choose and install the most appropriate system.”

http://www.livestrong.com/article/527125-does-reverse-osmosis-remove-fluoride/

I don’t know what your needs are, but something like this might do it for you and save you money:

https://www.nutriteam.com/stainless-water-distiller-glass-collection.html

(I am not affiliated with any of these companies and have no financial interests in them of any kind.)

Thanks Matthew. Yes that more compact unit might work to kick things off, but I do require large quantities of water, so I still like the big unit for the house.

Man, I am super thirsty after this conversation…… 🙂

I’m still undecided on this Reverse Osmosis versus Distilled water issue, so I went with an Alkaline water with trace minerals included (lol).

I’ve actually been buying these lately to supplement my other water intake:

http://getblk.com/index.php/what-is-blk/

People sheeple wonder why they are sick……they listen to doctors….. 🙂

Interesting discussion on distilled vs otherwise cleaned water, guys. As Ex says, at times there is so much conflicting info it’s hard to know what’s right, which is why I used my weasel words ‘Some would say…’

I do think it is important to assure the quality of one’s drinking water, and it’s much better not to breathe chlorine fumes while bathing. But I imagine that a number of different approaches, if properly done, yield perfectly acceptable results.

Worth a mention that the mass medication of the populace with fluoride, which is of questionable benefit to teeth at best, and has a variety of ill effects (e.g. suppressing the thyroid gland), is a crime against all of us.

Fluoride is worse than everyone thinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7BqFtyCRJc

Just don’t light a cigar after drinking……. 🙂

😮

Then there’s Monsatan water, for those low in sulphur and glyphosate.

See what researchers found when they tested a bottle of Fiji Water against a glass of tap water.

Is bottled water REALLY all that bad?

by Maz Ali

http://www.upworthy.com/see-what-researchers-found-when-they-tested-a-bottle-of-fiji-water-against-a-glass-of-tap-water

Hawaii……
https://www.pricefalls.com/product/hawaiian-springs-water-15x2535oz-/190218839?source=GoogleShopping&medium=cpc&term=&content=PLA&campaign=844202533&gclid=CjwKCAjww9_MBRAWEiwAlaMJZu4TTn_DNkrsrI7T7z1Amp-iTejsfopPlz6w_iPv0R6Bm6P93o_4tRoCrLwQAvD_BwE&ad=198347690399

Ahh I see – Hawaiian Springs…… Are they changing their name to Fuki Water?

Kuki Water….no…..but they should…..

Personally I have a whole house filter that takes out most of the calcium, sediment, fluoride, chlorine and hardness of the water for cooking, and washing purposes. Then we have the triple filter membranes that do the reverse osmosis under the sink for drinking water. We use resealable containers or bottles free from BPA, Chromium, and Arsenic.

It’s been paid off for years and provides 90% of the drinking water in our house.

Once in a blue moon we’ll pick up some electrolyte water or alkaline water for camping, road trips, or a back yard gathering.

Ever Upward!

Just one more………reverse osmosis…….covered in this article/podcasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVnXzGaD68M

opps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVnXzGaD68M

Yes, I’ve seen so many presentations just like that and agree that many bottled waters are just public taps that use reverse osmosis to purify the water. As he points out, reverse osmosis is not without a few challenges, but it comes down to knowing what components are in the filters, how often one changes them, where they are stored, etc… It is still far better than just drinking the public tap water. I have an additional filter on our showers and it really helps with the chlorine/fluoride and not inhaling those in gas form while taking a hot shower.

I’ve been to an insane amount of water seminars where it is focused on alkaline water (where reverse osmosis is more acidic), so I supplement with some locally produced alkaline water, or use if for recovery after a night out drinking. I’ve also seen electron spun water, UV treated water, magical clay filtration, and on and on. I drank it all….. loved it all…… burped and then when home.

** If I had my way the water would be boiled and cooled, then filtered through reverse osmosis, then negative electron spin, then alkalized, then UV treated, then blessed by a mystic from each major faith in the world, then put into a Himalayan Sea Salt mug and then hugged by Amma the Hugging Saint.

So far I’ve got the filtration part going….. Still a long way to go for the perfect water.

Ditto…..on the tap water…….

good idea, which I have done on the shower water…..

** I’ll pass on the Hugging Saint……….. 🙂

‘recovery after a night out drinking’

How to Hack your Hangover

https://blog.bulletproof.com/alcohol-without-the-hangover-bulletproof-partying-business-networking/

GH – Good article and I have utilized a number of those suggestions like the Activated Charcoal, B vitamins, N-Acetyl Cysteine, but also just drink the straight Nopal Prickly Pear Cactus juice, and really have benefited most be kicking off a bender with some Dihydromyricetin.

Dihydromyricetin As A Novel Anti-Alcohol Intoxication Medication

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3292407/

GH – Here is the Dihydromyricetin I’ve been taking for the last year or so that really helps out:

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Dihydromyricetin (Hovenia Dulcis Extract) Scientifically Proven to Prevent Hangovers (Naturally Obtained from the Oriental Raisin Tree) 30 Capsules 300mg

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dihydromyricetin-Hovenia-Dulcis-Extract-Scientifically-Proven-Prevent-Hangovers-Naturally-Obtained-Oriental-Raisin-Tree-30-Capsules-300mg/473676164?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=9585&adid=22222222227080829748&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=193194495961&wl4=pla-304541273216&wl5=9013144&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=115794467&wl11=online&wl12=473676164&wl13=&veh=sem

Dihydromyricetin — that’s a new one on me, thanks Ex!

GH – It’s been a big help to me on nights where I’m going out with the guys (anticipating the aftermath before I even go out…. hahaha!)

There’s a controversial new double blind study that shows hangovers can be reduced by more than 99% by avoiding alcohol. I know what you’re thinking and I couldn’t believe it either but the results were conclusive.

Funny Matthew. That is a shocking revelation!

I’m curious though about the 1% of people getting hangovers that haven’t had anything to drink. Placebo Hangovers?

That’s exactly my guess.

Placebo Hangovers would suck. What is the point of the dehydration and whiskey shits if you aren’t at least going to have an engaging social interaction and frivolity the evening before?

I mostly drink for pleasure, taste, and good company & conversation these days, but usually limit it to 3 drinks or less on a weekend night.

However, if it is a concert, or wedding, or friends party where I feel things may get a bit amped up, then I load up on B-Vitamins, Prickly Pear Cactus, and that Dihydromyricetin and try to eat regularly throughout the evening. I haven’t had a bad hangover in quite some time using those disciplines on the front end, and of course drinking quality WATER. (lol)

BTW – My water choice tonight is a bit unconventional in that it isn’t Distilled or Reverse Osmosis – It’s underground GeoThermal 🙂

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Yes, the governments of the world were helping the Big Oil companies do so = Cronyism.

ditto

Ever wonder why we have a Sect of State from the OIL Biz……..

Bingo!

William Engdahl gives a persuasive account of the70s oil crisis in his ‘A Century of War’…I imagine he has a YouTube video on it

THE DEEPER STATE GOVT

I see no sign of a top other than the very unscientific “feeling” that such a move can’t go on much longer. Such charts are very dangerous for both the longs and the shorts. It can and probably will come down very hard (temporarily) even without any negative news BUT it might double again (or more) first!

Love it AJ, and I was going to bring that up, but didn’t want to launch into a large discussion or get people all riled up that feel they need to defend their personal belief systems. Since you posted it though, it is funny to note some of the silly questions from people like “why haven’t we heard anything back on our radio transmissions yet?” Just that question is laughable considering the minuscule distance our communications have traveled through space and the large time periods that would be necessary for a return call once other beings would respond (if they did via radio). The technology in spacecraft and travel of beings traveling at tachyon speeds or using wormholes or folding space, are beyond this radio signal test in first place.

In addition, most records are that beings visited quite a long time ago, and the archaeological records that have been unearthed, that don’t conveniently fit in the establishment timeline, are swiftly pushed to the side or ignored. When mythology from around the planet in various cultures talks about giants walking the earth, or shining ones, or god riding on dragons (spacecraft) or chariots on fire, or magical (think technological) weapons, etc… coming down an interacting with humans, or creating man in their image, those are tossed out as myth (often by people that believe angels and demons are coming down and interacting with humans instead 😉 )

Regardless just like there seems to be a consensus in many cultures about large floods in the past (and clearly their various and older cultures all didn’t descend from Noah and his kids) there are just as many references to the gods coming down and interacting with people in older societies.

If you then pile on all the waves and waves of sightings (both military and civilian) regarding modern day visitations, it far more sane to assume we are not alone out of the billions of galaxies out there. That’s an encouraging thought, because if humans are the only “intelligent” life, this would be a dismal universe indeed. 😮

Yeh look, if the dollar were to accelerate downwards into the 80s, I think that would help. However the dollar has been weak of late yet gold and silver continue to muddle around in this range weve seen for much of the year. This is why I feel the need for a fresh catalyst. Whether that is fear or worry driven, fundamental change, news release from a “big wig” advocating the benefits of PMs or any other hypothetical, Im not sure.

Not being a long term participant in the PMs market, Im still learning this caper. New developments continue to surprise me. The continued bear however does not.

Excelsior, do you think precious metals have a bigger effect on the base metals or vice versa?

Interesting thoughts Ozibatla. Yes, the PMs didn’t really respond much to the dollars recent fall, and it is not uncommon for the metals and greenback to travel in tandem, so they can go up and down together.

It is possible a new catalyst will be needed, like you say. However, sometimes with price movement a good fundamental driver isn’t always present. (it sounds counter intuitive because we crave cause/effect relationships). Gold and Silver could just start gradually moving higher, as general tension mounts globally, but then pick up momentum as the robo selling begins. Quite often price movement seems to defy all logic, but then people will work on assigning the fundamental retroactively as to why something like Oil or Bonds or the Dollar rises or falls. Pundits on news outlets scratch their heads in confusion, but latch on to a plausible explanation to be able to point their finger at something concrete. In following stocks or sectors it often really is just price action and the algos that trade them starting a trend based on momentum, or exhaustion of sellers, or price targets achieved, and then all the institutional and retail investors pile in putting more fuel on that trend. Then everyone scrambles to find out “Why did that happen?”

As for PMs versus the Base metals, I fell they can run separate from each other, but don’t feel that either sector really leads the other.

If the dollar gets really strong it can pressure all commodities, but then Gold and Silver are Precious Metals with different drivers and they act like an alternative currency or alternative to the currencies. PMI and CPI number may give things a nudge, or Fedbabble or political events may nudge a bit differently, but the interconnected web of all financial asset classes make it challenging to figure out which string is pulling what. That’s where charts, cycles, seasonality, analogs, and sentiment readings help smooth out all the noise.

Dr Copper is usually the driver in the commodity space, and OIl can affect the the commodity indexes due to it’s heavy weighting. Zinc is running on it’s own fundamental supply shortage/ demand peak. Metals like Nickel, Tin, Iron, Lead tend to move based on industry growth or inflation. There are also Lithium and Uranium that are energy related, and may track separately from the larger commodity space. The Soft Commodities also march to the beat of their own drum, but if commodity ETFs and Funds turn up due to the other ingredients, then they’ll benefit in tandem. Still an individual commodity like corn or coffee or sugar or soybean can do it’s own thing.

As a result, I pick the sectors I want to follow, am cognizant of large fundamental shifts in the resources supply/demand picture, but ultimately drill down into specific companies and what may drive them higher from a fundamental or technical picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJVpihgwE18
We got to get out of here……….

Sam the Sham the Pharaos – Wooly Bully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE_MpQhgtQ8

Same point was made today on bnn commodities. Hate when everyone is agreeing….might be time to sell soon

About five years ago I was in Buffalo New York to see The Martin House. I couldn’t get into the main building because it was under extensive renovation, it was absolutely stunning. It is now totally renovated at a huge cost because they took their time to do it right, now they are working on Graycliff house which was Darwin Martin’s summer home just outside of Buffalo. Martin’s wife liked the summer home better because it allowed more light to enter and she had a vision problem. Frank Lloyd Wright thought of everything. When it is finished I would like to travel back to New York State. Buffalo has the distinction of being in the top seven cities having the best architecture in the world.

A lot of people do not know much about Wright, …..as you said he thought of everything, even building the furniture for the homes…..total concept……way ahead of most architects and builders.

I use Frank Lloyd Wright drink coasters. Yep…. he thought of everything. 🙂

Better save um…….they will be worth a mint…… “Falling Waters” was his adventure into clean water…….. 🙂

Maybe he will take time off today and look at the sun……

Looking for a eyes burning Eclipse Rally…… Get it while it’s hot…..