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This speech restored my confidence in President Trump

Big Al
September 21, 2017

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    CFS
    Sep 21, 2017 21:25 AM

    Trump was certainly less capable of delivering a well written speech than Ms. May, not that I agreed with all either of them said.
    However, I do believe talk and argued reason is preferable to military conflict, which is and should be a last resort.
    I see nothing wrong with fighting a war to win, however, once conflict may become inevitable.
    There is nothing wrong with not instigating a war that one cannot win; in fact, such behavior is desirable, no matter what bluff is involved.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:04 PM

      I agree you CFS.

      I was also heartened to see that Chinese banks will no longer do business with North Korea.

    AJ
    Sep 21, 2017 21:26 AM

    Trump threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea. I asked 8 experts how worrisome that is.
    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/20/16340392/trump-north-korea-unga-totally-destroy-speech

      b
      Sep 21, 2017 21:00 PM

      Trump threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea. I asked 8 experts how worrisome that is.
      why would ya need an “expert” opinion?
      the guy has threatened to kill 25 million people, classic evil,

      what more could you possible need?

        Sep 21, 2017 21:13 PM

        b and AJ can we agree to disagree.

        I believe that Kim Jung un is now aware, as is China and Russia, just how serious we are when it comes to dealing with a very real threat.

        Chinese banks responded today by ceasing to do business with North Korea.

        I, being a very strong Christian, abhor the idea of killing anyone.

        Do you agree that Kim Jung un is as dangerous today as Hitler was in the late 30’s and early 40’s. If not, let’s have an unemotional discussion about that topic.

          b
          Sep 21, 2017 21:21 PM

          do you watch whats going on AL?
          seriously.
          N Korea is not the “threat” the U.S. is.

            Sep 21, 2017 21:32 PM

            Here are some comments and, by the way, thanks for this dialog.

            In terms of having the ability to totally destroy a country, you are, of course, correct. At this moment in time only the U.S. ; Russia; and, maybe China have the ability to do that on a really major scale.

            But let’s look at it this way. Arguably North Korea has some pretty advanced technology. Now, if they share (or sell) that technology to someone else the results would eventually be quite negative.

            As an example, let’s assume that a small Islamic country the leadership of citizens of which actually believed that their religion teaches them that Israel does not have the right, according to their God to exist.

            Take it one step further by assuming that a “weapon of mass destruction” was within their arsenal and they used that weapon to attack, as an example, Israel or Lebanon. In the event of that action, the world as we know it would certainly not cease to exist, but there would be millions of people killed.

            Nuclear weapons represent “serious stuff”. Should the U.S.; Russia; and, China be the only powers of true consequence to be able to have that advanced technology ?

            Well, maybe not, but Kim Jung un has certainly demonstrated that he is willing to flaunt that technology in an irresponsible manner .

            Forget the language of our “Jersey brawler” President and ask yourself if the road the executive branch is taking with North Korea does not make sense.

            And while you think about that ask yourself, “what has happened to date? Have we sent any troops into North Korea? Have we dropped any weapons? Or, have we simply taken action to try and convince the leaders of that country that the world is not going to stand by and allow Kim’s actions to actually come to fruition.

            b
            Sep 21, 2017 21:15 PM

            NK could sell their tech. ok

            Could Pakistan sell it? Their Muslim.
            Maybe we should invade them.

            Didnt Israel get caught selling tech?

            Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons …
            https://www.theguardian.com › World › Israel
            (only 1 example)

            Should we invade Israel?

            Guess I just dont agree with the thinking.

            Ask myself whats happened to date?
            Lets ask ourselves how many countries the US has invaded and how many NK has invaded.(do we need the lists?)

            NK has the right to defend itself and has reason to believe they need the ability to do so.
            Right now, their strategy is simply to make another american invasion upon them more costly that it is worth.

            Switzerland used that strategy for a few hundred years I believe, and it worked quite well.

            Sep 22, 2017 22:58 AM

            Al:

            As an example, let’s assume that a small Jewish country the leadership of citizens of which actually believed that their religion teaches them that Arabs living in that does not have the right, according to their God to exist.

            You are starting to show your bias. The Jews do not have the right to loot, rape and kill the people who have lived in Palestine for 5000 years unless they believe in some really sick god.

          b
          Sep 21, 2017 21:22 PM

          Do I think Kim is as dangerous as Hitler was?
          How can you come up with a question like that?

          I think the madness of crowds has kicked in.

            Sep 21, 2017 21:36 PM

            b, I would simply ask you to examine the conditions in North Korea that its citizens live under.

            b
            Sep 21, 2017 21:53 PM

            Im not a N Korea fan.
            But there is no way NK comes close to the threat Hitler did.

            To consider that a person would not understand Hitler came close to ruling about 1/2 the world.
            Nothing else like that had happened since Genghis Khan.

            NK is not in the same league.

            Sep 21, 2017 21:45 PM

            You are absolutely correct Bob, but you know that. I simply believe that this case is quite possibly an anomaly. i realize that you do not respect the U.S. and that is why you guys are now living in Switzerland.

            One question I have for you” “do you support anything that the U.S. has ever done.
            You have make millions of dollars out of our country.

            You remind me of Peter Grandich who made millions of dollars promoting Canadian questionable stocks and then, on the record, lambasted Canadian promoters.

            Takes all kinds, I guess.

            Sep 22, 2017 22:59 AM

            B&Al:

            You both are looking at trees and missing the forest. Stalin was far worse than Hitler and he was our buddy.

            Sep 22, 2017 22:04 AM

            Al:

            You are a hoot. I have next to no American companies that I work with. The vast majority are Canadian. How is it that you believe I make millions of dollars out of the US? I don’t make anything out of the US.

            I left the US because it is committing suicide and it’s pretty obvious if you just look. Next thing I know you are going to be joining Antifa and looking to hang people who make money. Are you really jealous of people who succeed?

            Name a single war the US has been in during the last 15 years that you spoke out against and I supported.

            GH
            Sep 22, 2017 22:39 AM

            Al, don’t mistake a disrespect for our corrupt leadership with a disrespect for the US.

            In a time of such dishonesty and corruption, the loudest critics are those who love their country the most.

            b
            Sep 22, 2017 22:42 AM

            Nope, Im not Bob, the comparison was Hitler and Kim.
            People jump to comparing “bad” guys to Hitler

            And..you are right of course, I wish people would “compare” nazi economics a little more, its actual proof A Jackson was right and W Wilson was really stooopid.

            b
            Sep 22, 2017 22:49 AM

            Gotta agree GH I used to visit the states regularly, really enjoyed and had alot fun with american people.
            I cant stand their government tho and I wish those americans were better informed, seemed they knew football, hunting etc pretty good tho.

            But that deep state, the neocons, unadulterated evil.

          Sep 21, 2017 21:49 PM

          Wow…good thing I didn’t weigh in on this one…

            Sep 21, 2017 21:37 PM

            Trust me Mr. T, I will talk with you “totally off the record” on this subject.

            b
            Sep 21, 2017 21:42 PM

            cfs, people dont like reason and or intelligence.
            notice the number of views.

            But its a good vid.

            Sep 21, 2017 21:08 PM

            No fair…………….lol

            Sep 21, 2017 21:09 PM

            No fair……was meant for OWL>….

            Sep 22, 2017 22:25 PM

            Bob M.

            Absolutely no point in getting into a pissing match. If you are inferring that I did not have a successful career, by the way, you should look at my tax returns.

            I am simply saying that people who love the U.S. and, more importantly its people, do more than bitch and leave. They try to make a difference.

            I would like someone to tell me that our forrum is not making a difference.

          Sep 21, 2017 21:19 PM

          Sorry but the real threat is the united states. (COMMON SENSE) China will never really help on this issue, because this is a proxy between the u.s and china.

          Sep 22, 2017 22:55 AM

          Al:

          Pretend you are Trump and Steve Bannon is correct that 10 million people in Seoul will die in the first 30 minutes of any conflict, list all your military options.

          If you haven’t figured it out yet, there are no viable military options.

          When you walk into a bar and start running your mouth about how tough you are and 20 Hell’s Angels start walking towards you all swinging chains, it would be a really good idea to shut your mouth and realize you have no options other than that.

            Sep 22, 2017 22:28 PM

            I have to ask you Robert, has American taken any military action so far against North Korea? Do you honestly think that would ever happen.

            By the way, I really love our dialog!

            Sep 22, 2017 22:40 PM

            Al:
            There are times I wonder if you understand what you are saying. When you walk into a bar and start talking tough, that’s when you have started creating a problem you may not have a solution to.

            Let me be 100% clear. The options are either figure out how to work with North Korea or WW III and perhaps the end of mankind.

            Would you agree war games on the border of NK are military action? Of course the US has taken military action and of course fatso feels threatened.

        PF
        Sep 22, 2017 22:10 AM

        Trump is obviously bluffing and speaking in hyperbole like he often does. These are the strategies that he has used throughout his business and now political career.

        Kim is also bluffing as well. Two blowhards barking at each other.

          b
          Sep 22, 2017 22:53 AM

          Kim is not bluffing, he intends to defend N Korea.
          He is far from fool enough to attack the U.S. but he will defend vigorously.

            PF
            Sep 22, 2017 22:36 AM

            The stock market thinks both are bluffing.

            Kim will not do anything unless he is attacked. And Trump won’t make any pre-emptive attacks.

            b
            Sep 22, 2017 22:35 PM

            Looks like your right PF.

          Sep 22, 2017 22:29 PM

          Many thanks for the opinion, PF.

          You obviously have a strong ego and really no need the approval of others. My hat is off to you!

      Sep 21, 2017 21:05 PM

      Most of those ‘experts’ have gotten us into this mess where an immature toad dictator is threatening USA with hydrogen bomb. Back in 1999, citizen Trump was warning about North Korea. Back then those ‘experts’ were busy jacking off in their office. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGCV1FLtkQ

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2017 21:35 AM

    OFF TOPIC: Cryptos; VERI

    Reggie Middleton’s Keynote Address at the E3 SME Global Business Conference at Harvard University

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksYLDeBHTwA

      Sep 21, 2017 21:41 PM

      Okay,CFS.

    AJ
    Sep 21, 2017 21:35 AM
      Sep 21, 2017 21:42 AM

      ‘me first’ or ‘America first’??? Stop lying, the freaking USA Today. You are losing any remaining credibility. Trump is the President of the United States. He is not some idiotic ‘citizen of the world’.

        Sep 21, 2017 21:21 PM

        Jay, as I responded to to AJ, I did not hear President Trump say that.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:20 PM

      AJ, I did not hear that at all. I heard him say just the opposite.

    b
    Sep 21, 2017 21:44 AM

    Trump’s UN Speech

    Paul Craig Roberts

    I listened to part of Trump’s UN speech this morning. I was so embarrassed for him and for my country that I had to turn it off.

    I wonder if whoever wrote the deplorable speech intended to embarrass Trump and inadvertently embarrassed America as well, or whether the speechwriter(s) is so imbued with the neoconservative arrogance and hubris of our time that the speechwriter was simply blind to the extraordinary contradictions that stood out like sore thumbs all through the speech.

    I am not going to describe all of them, just a couple of examples.

    Trump went on at great length about how America respects the sovereignty of every country and the people’s will of every country, and how the US, despite its overwhelming military power, never tries to impose its will on any country. What was the administration thinking, or can it think? What about Yugoslavia/Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Crimea, Ukraine, Venezuela, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, just to mention countries in the 21st century that have been subjected to US military attacks, government overthrows, and removals of political leaders who did not conform to US interests?

    Is it respect for the sovereignty of countries to force them to support US sanctions against Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela? Is it respect for the sovereignty of countries to impose sanctions on the countries? If this is not imposing Washington’s will on other countries, what is?

    Is it respect for other countries to inform them that unless they do as they are told, “we will bomb you into the stone age”?

    I heard Trump complain that the UN Human Rights commission had as members countries with the worst human rights records of our time, and I wondered if he was talking about the United States. Clearly, Trump, the speechwriter(s), the State Department, the National Security Council, the US Ambassador to the UN, indeed the entire administration, do not think that the endless slaughter, maiming, orphaning, widowing, and dispossessing of millions of peoples in many countries, producing waves of refugees, comprise human rights violations.

    The arrogance conveyed by Trump’s speech is unprecedented.

    After assurances that America respects everyone, Trump then made demand after demand and threat after threat against the sovereignty of Iran and North Korea, demanding that the rest of the world back him up.

    Neither country is a threat to the US. Unlike the US and Israel, Korea has not been at war since 1953. Iran’s last war was in the 1980s when Iran was attacked by Iraq. Yet both North Korea and Iran are subjected to constant threats from the US. At the UN Trump threatened North Korea with destruction, and Washington is telling more lies about Iran in order to justify military action.

    Here is what former Secretary of State Colin Powell says about how carefully Washington thinks about other peoples:

    “We thought we knew what would happen in Libya. We thought we knew what would happen in Egypt. We thought we knew what would happen in Iraq, and we guessed wrong. In each one of these countries the thing we have to consider is that there is some structure that’s holding the society together. And as we learned, especially in Libya, when you remove the top and the whole thing falls apart . . . you get chaos.”

    That’s what Washington does. It brings chaos to tens of millions of peoples, destroying their lives and the prospects of their countries. This is the behavior that Trump described as American compassion for others. This is what Trump says is respecting others and the sovereignty of their countries. Washington dresses up its crimes against humanity as a “war on terror.” The tens of millions of slaughtered, maimed, and displaced persons are merely “collateral damage.”

    This is why the US is considered the greatest threat to peace. International polls show that the world regards the US as a much greater threat to peace than North Korea and Iran. Yet Trump described the US, universally regarded as the greatest threat to the world, as the great protector of peace. Has there ever been a greater disturber of peace?

    One wonders if the rest of the world, especially Russia and China, got Washington’s message. Washington’s plan for UN “reform” is a plan to turn the organization into another instrument of US foreign policy, like NATO and the EU. The message that Trump was sent to deliver to the UN is that henceforth the UN is expected to support Washington’s foreign policy agenda. Opponents to Washington’s war policy are to be isolated and lumped together with the bad countries as defined by Washington.

    In other words Washington accepts no limits on its unilateralism. This means war for every country that does not accept Washington’s hegemony.

    THIS SPEECH RESTORED MY CONFIDENCE IN PRESIDENT TRUMP?
    I gotta ask how?

      Sep 21, 2017 21:00 PM

      Paul Craig Roberts is a queer bird.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:22 PM

      No disrespect to Mr. Roberts, I simple heard a different speech than he did.

        b
        Sep 21, 2017 21:25 PM

        It would seem so Al.

        Sep 21, 2017 21:35 PM

        I can see how a great deal of his base heard what they wanted to hear in this speech. Hope dies hard.
        I heard contradictions, and with all due respect to you Al, and hypocrisy in this speech that I think was written by a committee with the purpose of shoring up the base.
        There are many who have written pieces disparaging this speech and the thinking behind it. PCR is one and he has become more vehement the last year or two as I think his despair about America’s course is making him shrill. Gilbert Doctorow (an early Trump supporter) also wrote a readable piece.
        Here is one that I largely agree with. A link instead of cluttering up the comments section: http://www.theblogmire.com/president-swamp-throws-a-bone-to-his-delusional-supporters-then-threatens-to-kill-25-million-people/

          Sep 21, 2017 21:51 PM

          Thanks John M.

          Call me an optimistic but silly old man. I still have hope.

          Any comments on Clinton’s latest book? Remember she was the alternative.

            Sep 21, 2017 21:49 PM

            I may not be as old as you but I’m closing in. I don’t fault you for your optimism or your hope.

            Reading the excerpts of Clinton’s “I, Victim” on line is enough (I’m trying to be polite). As the alternative, we likely would be counting mushroom clouds by now.

            Trump’s election bought us some time but more importantly it has forced the “powers that be” to show their faces, their agenda and what they are willing and capable of doing. It’s time to stop kidding ourselves and say no to the koolaid.

            Al, whatever Trump is doing and saying now bears little resemblance of what he campaigned on. Perhaps circumstances have changed and perhaps he has more information but if so, he should speak truth of why as he seemed to during the campaign. This idea of “you can’t handle the truth” doesn’t cut it.

            Otherwise, I have to conclude that two pieces of his anatomy that he may have less need of are on ice in a locked box in a vault in Langley.

            Korea, Iran, Venezuela……. just Kabuki theater to keep the masses distracted. Sorry, just the way I see it

            Sep 21, 2017 21:34 PM

            BIG AL. LOL.Dont change the subject.With all due respect, you’ve been put in your place. I

            GH
            Sep 22, 2017 22:40 AM

            Exactly, JohnM!

    Sep 21, 2017 21:01 PM

    Nobody has the Balls to talk the FRAUD BANKING SYSTEM ! And the PRISON is Coming !!!!

    b
    Sep 21, 2017 21:02 PM

    anyone with intelligence today might seem so.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:24 PM

      b, as you are aware I respect your opinion.

      Please clarify your comment. thank you

    b
    Sep 21, 2017 21:32 PM

    On September 21, 2017 at 12:02 pm,
    b says:
    anyone with intelligence today might seem so.

    this got moved, it was in response to On September 21, 2017 at 12:00 pm,
    Jay Linn says:
    Paul Craig Roberts is a queer bird.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:48 PM

      Thanks b.

    CFS
    Sep 21, 2017 21:52 PM

    I could help but think…..
    John Adams would be turning over in his grave if he saw what the US had become.
    With its high taxation….
    With its controls everywhere and loss of individual freedoms…..
    with its ruthless interference in other countries…..
    with the cronyisn ubiquitous among the “professional” governing class….
    with the payola and corruption pervasive in Washington, D.C……
    with interference of State’s Rights….
    with warrantless spying by the NSA….
    et.c, etc.,…..
    wi

      Sep 21, 2017 21:53 PM

      Agreed, Professor.

    b
    Sep 21, 2017 21:48 PM

    What they (Trump and the neocons) are doing over there is madness.

    The neocons are insane and it looks like we were deceived by Trump.

    The elections are meaningless, ment only to entertain the masses.

      Sep 21, 2017 21:55 PM

      Now Bob, that is a comment that I completely agree with

    GH
    Sep 21, 2017 21:25 PM

    Wow. This speech was surreal. It amounts to a blueprint and an ultimatum for the completion of the NWO.

    In the beginning, he espoused many noble ideals. Maybe he believes in them. But ‘we’, the US, are not practicing what he’s preaching. What prospect is there that we will do so? This was all coded language saying ‘fall in line, sovereignty is operating within our framework’. The bankers, etc. want to complete their global empire.

    He at the same time condemns the North Korean leadership for inflicting suffering on their people, and immediately follows it with a threat to slaughter them all.

    The speech is full of whoppers and inversions of reality, but here are just a choice few:

    “The people are sovereign.”
    “…where all nations can be sovereign, prosperous, and secure.”

    “our citizens have paid the ultimate price…battlefields where our young men and women have fought” ALL OVER THE WORLD “it is an eternal credit to the american character that we did not seek territorial expansion or attempt to…impose our way of life on others…”

    “It has turned a wealthy country with a rich history and culture into an economically depleted rogue state whose chief exports are violence, bloodshed, and chaos.”

    “It is a massive source of embarassment to the UN that some governments with egregious human rights records sit on the UN Human Rights Council.”

    “”America stands with every person living under a brutal regime.”

    Is this a sea change in the way things work? Did the Donald defeat the Deep State?

    “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. ‘Rocket Man’ is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. The United States is ready, willing and able. But hopefully, this will not be necessary.”

    Totally destroy North Korea. For what? Having defensive capability? Does anyone believe North Korea wants war? Ridiculous.

    The speech wasn’t quite as objectionable at the end, but in all it was rubbish.

    Sep 22, 2017 22:30 AM

    Al:

    Since we are getting down to brass tacks let me point something out to you that you seem to have ignored.

    You and I are of a similar age. We were born in the mid-1940s and came of age in the 1950s and 1960s. I don’t remember seeing you in Boot Camp when I went through in 1964 or in flight training in 1965 and 1966. I must have missed you when I was flying in North Carolina in 1967 and 1968 and somehow we never managed to cross paths during the two years I was flying combat in Vietnam.

    I took an oath of office, first as a private in the Marines and then again as a Marcad and as a 2nd Lt to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. When I left the Marines in 1970 nobody ever told me that I no longer had to support the Constitution so I sorta presumed I was still under an obligation. The people who wrote that oath of office recognized that the potential did exist that it was certainly possible that the enemies of the Constitution might be domestic, not just foreign.

    I have stood up, I have spoken out and I have even written a book saying how we have gone wrong and what we need to do. I have taken very unpopular positions secure in the firm belief that I earned the right to be critical.

    You had the same opportunities that I had in the 1960s. You did not earn the right to be critical. It was handed to you by guys like me who put our asses on the line in the mistaken belief we were fighting in support of our country. We made a mistake then, Vietnam was never an enemy of the United States and all we were doing was fighting to provide dividends to Convair and Dupont.

    The US is not the world’s policeman and those traitors in the US who are doing their level best to destroy the Constitution and the country are the real enemy.

    You can stand up and speak out any time you want but you do not have the right to be critical of someone who fought for your right to do so. I earned my rank, you were handed yours.

      Sep 22, 2017 22:32 AM

      +1

      GH
      Sep 22, 2017 22:31 AM

      All due respect, Bob, we all have a right to an opinion.

      I respect your bravery in fighting for your country, and even more for recognizing your error and speaking out about it. But I don’t buy that fighting in error means you have more right to an opinion than others, though obviously your opinion carries more weight b/c of your experience.

      When they tried to recruit me at age 16, for some reason I was lucky enough to see through it. I thought…’hmm, kill or be killed on someone else’s orders? Not too appealing. If everyone had my attitude we wouldn’t have all these wars.’

      One of the best decisions I ever made. I’m proud of it, and I won’t be silenced b/c I didn’t serve.

        GH
        Sep 22, 2017 22:35 AM

        I think I missed your meaning, Bob.

        Yes, if one believes that constant warfare by the US is somehow a force for good in the world, and supports more of the same, then they ought to have participated when it was their time.

        Sep 22, 2017 22:33 PM

        GH:

        Al felt I am unAmerican because I am critical and I don’t live under the police state it has become. Those who are not critical are the unAmerican people.

        The draft dodgers and peaceniks were responsible for ending the Vietnam war and I have giant respect for them.

      Sep 22, 2017 22:38 PM

      When you feel threatened Bob, why do you have to lash out?

      You have no idea what I did in the early days of Vietnam.

      Truth be told, I signed up for ROTC and the program was dropped after my junior year. I am on record to the Draft Board as saying that I had no problem with serving in the Military. I was reclassified when my first wife had our daughter Kim.

      I did rethink my position when my best friend in the world came back from Nam and told me his story before, I believe, that he committed suicide.

      Look at the facts before you throw stones and tell people that they do not have the right to speak, please.

        Sep 22, 2017 22:31 PM

        What I said was you didn’t earn the right to be critical of those who did earn it. The most patriotic thing a citizen can do is be critical of his government when it is wrong and all these stupid wars fought on behalf of another country are simply wrong and unconstitutional.

        The US is a mad dog totally out of control. None of what government is doing would have been approved of and most citizens are like you, they soak up the propaganda and nod their heads when their leaders speak. We have a civil war and coup d’tat in progress and yet most are silent.

        You didn’t serve, I did. And I earned the right to be critical.

          b
          Sep 23, 2017 23:50 PM

          Some people dont understand that Bob, they see criticism as something an enemy would do.
          These people have bought the neocon, zionist thinking imo.
          critical thinking, is not encouraged.

    Sep 22, 2017 22:24 AM
      Sep 22, 2017 22:52 AM

      Revelations and Zachariah 13:9…..looking for trouble….