Continuing our discussion from yesterday with Dr. Gleb Tsipursky
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
So I understand you saying that you want to listen to both sides of the story. But Al, this is past the point of ridiculous. The “other side of the story” people have lied to us over and over again. Furthermore, they often are screaming (some quite literally) that we have to “do something”. Excuse me if I am no longer willing to listen to this “other side of the story” by people who have out and out lied to me. They don’t have my respect. They have to EARN it back and they don’t care to even try.
Regarding Syria: Some various lunatic leaders, suddenly make accusations (when they know sweet bugger all) and launch such smart and shiny missiles because they saw some BS on facebook.
And if anybody has any “super secret” evidence, I say Put UP or Shut UP.
There are a million things , I would like to say…….all of which has been said many times in the last 11 yrs……..I am not going to waste any one’s time …….done……
JohnM,
I am a bit confused, are you saying that the latest accusation of poison gas usage in Syria is false.
I just did the research and here is what I came up with:
International chemical weapons inspectors were due to start work on Wednesday examining the site of a poison gas attack the Syrian town of Douma pending a UN security check, Syria’s envoy to the UN said.
The ambassador, Bashar Jaafari, said UN security officers entered Douma at 3pm on Tuesday “in order to access the security situation on the ground” and if they deemed it safe, the work of inspecting the scene for evidence of chemical weapons use could begin on Wednesday.
The expected arrival of the fact-finding mission from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) followed several days of delay and accusations that the Syrian regime and Russia were stalling.
The OPCW’s headquarters in The Hague said it did not comment on operational matters in order to protect the security of its staff.
The attack last week, which killed at least 40 people, led the US, the UK and France to on Saturday against three targets in Syria, which the three powers said were designed to degrade the remaining chemical weapons facilities of Bashar al-Assad’s government.
The French president, Emmanuel Macron, said on Tuesday that the strikes on Syria had been carried out “for the honour of the international community”. France’s foreign ministry also said it was very likely that proof had disappeared from Douma, adding it was essential that the inspectors be given full access to the site.
Robert Fisk: “How could it be that Douma refugees who had reached camps in Turkey were already describing a gas attack which no-one in Douma today seemed to recall?”
Bigger picture, Israel Shamir puts the matter in reasonable perspective.
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/first-joust/
I still cannot support attacking a country with missiles prior to making a sound, evidence-based case (much less a highly dubious case presented by known serial liars), but fortunately Trump settled for a face-saving move.
I think it’s time to look into the trustworthiness of the OPCW. Most institutions are corrupted by the warmongers.
Note the references to the White Helmets in the Fisk article. Eva Bartlett and Vanessa Beeley have both made the case that the White Helmets are affiliated with the terrorists, and Fisk’s account offers further support to that view.
Thanks much for your response, GH.
I believe that I now understand you opinion.
I do appreciate your comment and the comments of all of the other folks.
Al:
You and all of the supporters of the attack are forgetting one tiny detail. The attack was “The Supreme Crime” and was illegal according to US law, according to UK law and a breech of international law. Congress wasn’t notified or consulted, the Parliament wasn’t consulted and the UN wasn’t consulted. Why is it that when you talk to the supporters, you don’t follow up.
It was an illegal attack on a false flag operation that a totally independent reporter said never took place. People died but they died from the smoke and dust and you know we don’t give a damn about that.
And again Bob, thank you for voicing your opinion.
It would help if you knew the law.
Even though the law is open, to some extent, to “interpretation”, there are facts that are not.
Some of us have attention and memories that out-live the lifespan of a flea.
The repeated evidence so many, many times indicates beyond any shadow of doubt that Hillary is an unindicted crook.
Yeh, but what is your opinion on the lack of poison gas usage or the use of poison gas. Please respond to this, CFS..
Thanks, Al
b, I believe half of your list is pure bullshit.
I am glad the US will act as world police, especially when it stops defenseless countries being overrun by bullies.
Is the US self-serving ? Unfortunately, yes, at times.
Do US leaders make mistakes? Unfortunately, quite often.
But do you really think the world would be better without US military actions?
Europe would be speaking German , and the rest of the world would be controlled by Communist dictators.
cfs, actually I thought there were a couple things on that list that would require investigation.
Such as “won with japan” 1937
allied in first war but opposed to the invasion of china so I dont understand that one.
But if my memory is any where near reliable I recall reading about just about all of it over the years.
Feel fee to point out whats not true, I would be interested to know.
Do I think the world would be better without US invasions/actions?
Yes I do.
On the other hand, when you look at history, there is always an evil empire, and maybe the evil one is just the one that wins.
We have been killing ourselves at least from the egyptians and hitittes.
Before that, if ya think the world began more than 5 thousand years ago.
Might just be a human thing.
I studied the Panama Canal history a longtime ago, but if I recall Panama tried to secede from Columbia that controlled Columbia, Panama and Ecuador at that time.
Chile seeing an opportunity came up and grabbed Panama City.
The US 1902 “invasion of Panama” consisted of the US sending a gunboat and kicking Chile out of Panama City. Panama gained its independence and allowed the French and Americans to build the Panama Canal, which financed the paying off of Columbian debt owed by the Panamanians to Columbia.
Many actions on your list were actions of groups of oppressed people or countries seeking independence, which sought the aid of the U.S. in obtaining their freedom, as opposed to real acts of aggression by the U.S.
Interesting cfs.
Well, the list does say interventions operations and instigations.
Doesnt provide back ground.
There is increasing evidence of at least one “forgotten” or unknown period of human “civilization.
The human brain clearly expanded about 60,000 years ago.
(Denisovans in Siberia)
Modern humans, possibly, if not probably did NOT come out of Africa.
There was clearly a flourishing Civilization in the Middle East (including Turkey) prior to the “flood” which occurred about 12,000 years ago.
There was an Australasia “civilization existing 20-30,000 years ago. (Just how advanced this was, we don’t really know yet. I’m talking of Gonung Pedang and other civilizations (possibly Atlantis) under the current sea level.
There are too many odd anomalies being discovered to believe we know the full history of humans on earth.
Thanks for your open mind b. You too are one of the good guys!
Civilizations prior to “the flood” is something we agree on CFS.
Europe speaking German. Pshaw. There wouldn’t have been WW2 if the Zionists didn’t drag the USA into WW1 in return for the Balfour Declaration, making the injust treaty of Versailles possible.
You do know, CFS, that Zionist Jacob Schiff, a Wall Street banker, funded the Bolsheviks?
What do you think of Perloff’s argument here?
https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4691-china-betrayed-into-communism
You’ve fallen for the fake history, CFS.
Note, for instance, that the US negotiator at Bretton Woods, Harry Dexter White, was a communist. As was FDRs companion at Yalta, Hiss. The US is far down the road to communism already, and the would-be dictators are in plain sight.
Considering that I have a lot of respect for you, b, I probably won’t. Some people just really piss me off!
Common, GH, the Jews played a role in the rise of Hitler. (which is what you are inferring) That i one of the stupidest things that I have ever heard in my entire life!
Its not stupid Al, the Jews themselves have been/are victims of the Zionists.
Remember the transfer agreement or Haavara Agreement.
6 million had to die to fulfill the requirement.
History & Scriptural Origin of the Six Million Number
By John “Birdman” Bryant
Have you ever listened to the Benjamin Freedman 1961 speech Al?
A lot of history isn’t what we have been taught.
And of course they had a role in the rise of Hitler. Look at the Jewish boycott of Germany in 1933, and the Jewish assassination of diplomat Ernst von Rath.
To say they had a role in Hitler’s rise is not to justify what was done, whatever the truth of THAT may be.
Funny thing, Al. Those who control the mass media write the history, and it turns out they haven’t been very honest.
“The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign and I betterly regret the favors I showed to prominent Jewish bankers”
~Kaiser Wilhelm II
“You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
~Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
https://biblicisminstitute.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/solzhenitsyn.jpg
Ya gotta wonder about history, what else do we think we know thats complete BS?
What else has happened we are not taught at all?
I just came across this book today, written by a famous Jew, on the topic. I haven’t read it yet, but it seems to be highly rated. Not available on Amazon.com, by the way.
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
by Gerard Menuhin
4.48 · Rating details · 23 Ratings · 3 Reviews
Have you ever asked yourself why the world won’t come to rest? Why your parents, grandparents or great-grandparents had to die in wars that never should have occurred in the first place? This book holds the answer . . .
Behind the scenes, events are controlled by a coterie of ethnic puppetmasters who work their marionettes in high places out of public view. How did this world get to the dark place it is today? Who could have stopped it and what can we do today?
The book consists of three sections. The first section concerns Adolf Hitler, and the real causes leading up to the outbreak of WWII.
The second section enlarges on the activities of the real culprits, provides a historical overview of their progress, their nature, their power over finance and the media, and the methods by which they achieved it.
The third section concerns the First and Second World Wars (what the author refers to as “the Second Thirty Years War”), their conception, funding and inescapable continuity; current laws against freedom of expression, and the evolution of the Orwellian state; the importance of U.S. support for the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War, and Communism’s significance in the plan; the true origins of the enemy; Palestine’s occupation and its fate as an example of our common fate; plus much more.
The text is interspersed with “Memos from Today,” that emphasize its relevance by citing current events.
Hundreds of quotes are included from a wide range of authoritative sources, original and translated. The last pages of this manuscript comprise conclusions and predictions.
The author is the son of the great American-born violinist Yehudi Menuhin, who, though from a long line of rabbinical ancestors, fiercely criticized the foreign policy of the state of Israel and its repression of the Palestinians in the Holy Land.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28277536-tell-the-truth-and-shame-the-devil
We must be somehow related CFS. More often than not I agree with you, but then everyone here knows that.
I hate to tell you this, Al, but what you and CFS have in common is a thorough brainwashing.
Being a product of public education, I cannot disagree with you Matthew. The only difference is that I do read a lot (admittedly some of it is probably slanted) and I do talk with a lot of people. I also have an open mind.
“Being a product of public education, I cannot disagree with you”
Me too, Al. It was actually a good education in science, math, english lit. But history, economics, politics? Criminal.
I’ve spent 23 years digging myself out through study. I try to remind myself how important it is to be patient with others, because we have all been subjected to this.
I believe Jews are subjected even more powerful brainwashing than the rest of us. See Yoav Shamir’s ‘Defamation’
CFS:
The illegal and stupid wars on behalf of Israel over the past 20 years are destroying Europe because of the refugee issue. Perhaps you would like to comment on this quote from 36 years ago?
Israel should aim to bring about the fragmentation of the Arab world into a mosaic of ethnic and confessional groupings. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation, would prove to be advantageous to Israel in the short term. Oded Yinon February 1982
Appreciate you personal opinion, Bob
Al:
What opinion? That’s 36 year old fact where the Zionists said exactly what they were going to do.
U.S interventions around the globe (interventions, operations, instigations)
1840 – invasion of Fiji.
1841 – genocide on the island of Upolu (Drummond).
1843 – invasion of China.
1846-1848 war with Mexico.
1846 – aggression against the New Granada (Colombia).
1849 – shelling of Indochina.
1852 – invasion of Argentina.
1853-1856 – invasion of China.
1853 – invasion of Argentina and Nicaragua.
1854 – the destruction of the Nicaraguan city of San Juan del Norte.
1854 – an attempt to capture the Hawaiian Islands.
1855 – invasion and coup in Nicaragua.
1855 – invasion of Fiji and Uruguay.
1856 – invasion of Panama.
1858 – intervention in Fiji, genocide.
1858 – invasion of Uruguay.
1859 – attack on the Japanese fort of Taku.
1859 – invasion of Angola.
1860 – invasion of Panama.
1863 – punitive expedition to Shimonoseki (Japan).
1864 – military expedition to Japan.
1865 – invasion of Paraguay, genocide, 85% of the population destroyed.
1865 – intervention of Panama, coup d’état.
1866 – an attack on Mexico.
1866 – punitive expedition to China.
1867 – attack on the Midway Islands.
1868 – repeated invasion of Japan.
1868 – invasion of Uruguay and Colombia.
1874 – the entry of troops into China and Hawaii.
1876 ??- invasion of Mexico.
1878 – attack on Samoa.
1882 – the entry of troops into Egypt.
1888 – an attack on Korea.
1889 – punitive expedition to Hawaii.
1890 – the introduction of troops in Haiti.
1890 – the introduction of troops into Argentina.
1891 – intervention in Chile.
1891 – punitive expedition to Haiti.
1893 – the introduction of troops into Hawaii, the invasion of China.
1894 – intervention in Nicaragua.
1894-1896 – invasion of Korea.
1894-1895 – the war in China.
1895 – invasion of Panama.
1896 – the invasion of Nicaragua.
1898 – the capture of the Philippines, genocide (600,000 Filipinos).
1898 – invasion of the port of San Juan del Sur (Nicaragua).
1898 – the capture of the Hawaiian Islands.
1899-1901 – war with the Philippines.
1899 – invasion of the Nicaraguan port of Bluefields.
1901 – the entry of troops into Colombia.
1902 – invasion of Panama.
1903 – the entry of troops into Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Syria.
1904 – the entry of troops into Korea, Morocco.
1904-1905 – intervention in the Russo-Japanese War.
1905 – intervention in the revolution in Honduras.
1905 – the entry of troops to Mexico.
1905 – the entry of troops into Korea.
1906 – invasion of the Philippines.
1906-1909 – invasion of Cuba.
1907 – operations in Nicaragua.
1907 – intervention in the revolution in the Dominican Republic.
1907 – participation in the war of Honduras with Nicaragua.
1908 – invasion of Panama.
1910 – invasion of Bluefields and Corintho (Nicaragua).
1911 – intervention in Honduras.
1911 – genocide in the Philippines.
1911 – the introduction of troops into China.
1912 – the capture of Havana (Cuba).
1912 – intervention in Panama during the elections.
1912 – invasion of Honduras.
1912-1933 – the occupation of Nicaragua.
1914 – intervention in the Dominican Republic.
1914-1918 – a series of incursions into Mexico.
1914-1934 – the occupation of Haiti.
1916-1924 – occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 – the occupation of Cuba.
1918-1922 – occupation of the Russian Far East.
1918-1920 – the introduction of troops into Panama.
1919 – landing of troops in Costa Rica.
1919 – war against the Serbs in Dolmatia on the side of Italy.
1919 – intervention in Honduras during the elections.
1920 – intervention in Guatemala.
1922 – intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 – intervention in China.
1924-1925 – invasion of Honduras.
1925 – military operations in Panama.
1926 – the invasion of Nicaragua.
1927-1934 – the occupation of China.
1932 – the invasion of El Salvador.
1936 – intervention in Spain.
1937 – won with Japan.
1937 – intervention in Nicaragua, state coup.
1939 – the introduction of troops in China.
1941-1945 – the genocide of the civilian population of Germany (Dresden, Hamburg).
1945 – nuclear attack on Japan.
1945-1991 – sabotage activity against the USSR. (Invasion of the airspace – more than 5000, parachute assaults –
1940, direct diversions, the total budget – 13 trillion dollars).
1946 – punitive operations in Yugoslavia.
1946-1949 – the bombing of China.
1947-1948 – Reconciliation of Vietnam, genocide.
1947-1949 – military operations in Greece.
1948-1953 – military operations in the Philippines.
1948 – military coup in Peru.
1948 – military coup in Nicaragua.
1948 – military coup in Costa Rica.
1949-1953 – attempts to overthrow the government in Albania.
1950 – punitive operations in Puerto Rico.
1950-1953 – intervention in Korea.
1951 – military assistance to Chinese rebels.
1953-1964 – security operations in British Guyana.
1953 – the overthrow of Mossadegh, who received 99.9% of the vote in the referendum.
1953 – Forcible deportation of the Inuit (Greenland).
1954 – Overthrow of the government in Guatemala.
1956 – the beginning of military assistance to Tibetan insurgents in the fight against China.
1957-1958 – an attempt to overthrow the government in Indonesia.
1958 – the occupation of Lebanon.
1958 – bombing of Indonesia.
1959 – the entry of troops into Laos.
1959 – punitive operations in Haiti.
1960 – military operations in Ecuador.
1960 – invasion of Guatemala.
1960 – Support for a military coup in El Salvador.
1960-1965 – interference in the internal affairs of the Congo. Support Mobutu.
1961-1964 – a military coup in Brazil.
1961 – a terrorist war against Cuba using bacteriological weapons.
1962 – punitive operations in Guatemala.
1963-1966 – coup d’état and punitive operations in the Dominican Republic.
1964 – punitive operation in Panama.
1964 – support for the coup in Brazil.
1964-1974 – interference in the internal affairs of Greece.
1965 – a coup d’état in Indonesia, genocide.
1965-1973 – aggression against Vietnam.
1966 – intervention in Guatemala.
1967 – Support for the coup and subsequent fascist regime in Greece.
1968 – hunting for Che Guevara in Bolivia.
1971-1973 – the bombing of Laos.
1971 – American military assistance in the coup in Bolivia.
1972 – the entry of troops into Nicaragua.
1973 – coup in Chile.
1973 – terror in Uruguay.
1974 – Support for the regime of Moboth in Zaire.
1974 – preparation of aggression in Portugal.
1974 – attempted coup in Cyprus.
1975 – the occupation of Western Sahara, the introduction of troops in Morocco.
1975 – interference in the internal affairs of Australia.
1975 – an attack on Cambodia.
1975-1989 – Support for the genocide in East Timor.
1978 – military assistance to the dictator, financing of the genocide.
1979 – Support for the cannibal Bocas.
1979 – military assistance to the rebels of Yemen.
1980-1992 – military presence in El Salvador, special operations, genocide.
1980-1990 – military assistance to Iraq. A million dead in ten years.
1980 – support and funding of the Khmer Rouge.
1980 – operation “Gladio” in Italy, 86 victims.
1980 – punitive operation in South Korea.
1981 – attempted coup in Zambia.
1981 – military pressure on Libya, downed two Libyan aircraft.
1981-1990 – Contra support, terrorism, genocide.
1982 – interference in the internal affairs of Suriname.
1982-1983 – attack on Lebanon.
1982 – Support for the genocide in Guatemala.
1983 – intervention in Grenada.
1983 – interference in the internal affairs of Angola.
1984 – two Iranian planes were shot down.
1984 – mining of the bays of Nicaragua.
1985 – financing of the genocide in Chad.
1986 – an attack on Libya.
1986-1987 – attack on an Iranian ship in international waters, the destruction of the Iranian oil platform.
1986 – financing and military support of social terror, seizure of natural resources.
1987-1988 – participation in the Iraq war against Iran, the use of chemical weapons.
1988 – financing of terror and genocide in Turkey.
1988 – the explosion of a passenger plane “Pan American” over Scotland. The wine was recognized in 2003.
1988 – invasion of Honduras.
1988 – the destruction of the Iranian passenger aircraft.
1989 – intervention in Panama.
1989 – two Libyan planes were shot down.
1989 – bombing in the Philippines.
1989 – punitive operation on the Virgin Islands.
1990 – the genocide in Guatemala.
1990 – Iraq’s naval blockade.
1990 – financing of the Bulgarian opposition ($ 1.5 million)
1991 – aggression against Iraq.
1991 – the bombing of Kuwait.
1992-1994 – the occupation of Somalia.
1992 – genocide and terror in the capture of the natural resources of Angola (destroyed 650,000 people).
1993-1995 – the bombing of Bosnia.
1994-1996 – terror against Iraq.
1994 – genocide in Rwanda (about 800,000 people).
1995 – the bombing of Croatia.
1998 – the destruction of a missile strike by a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.
1998 – the bombing of Iraq.
1999 – aggression against Yugoslavia.
2001 – invasion of Afghanistan.
2002 – the entry of troops into the Philippines.
2003 – actions in Liberia.
2003 – clashes with Syrian border guards.
2004 – the entry of troops into Haiti.
2004 – Attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea.
2008 – the invasion of Pakistan.
2008 – The war in South Ossetia
2011 – The war in Libya
2013 – The war in Syria
2014 – The War in Ukraine
2018 – Syria, Africa
On any particular incident there may be questions, yet over time we can see a person or nations character.
Personally, I dont believe a word the US government says, or their vassals for me, they have zero credibility.
Okay, I give up.
Notice that on the upcoming Weekend Radio Show there are only three segments of KER Politics and the fourth falls into the category of “What Al is buying”
Unless I have any reason not to continue in this vain, next week will be all “What Al is buying”
Dont give up Al.
People post some really interesting stuff.
Ditto………
REMEMBER >>>OWL……….you said we must hear from all sides.
I believe chlorine was used, not sarin. I await the report of the OPCW, however.
If Sarin was used, it will show up. Detection level sensitivity is incredibly good.
As to who used the chlorine, I do not know.
Logic would indicate it was probably not Assad forces.
It is highly probable, I believe, a stray bomb or shell hit some storage quantity.
Was Trump right or wrong in attacking?
That is a multi-million dollar question!
It was good it was a joint attack, US-UK-France, if there had to be an attack.
It showed US resolve to follow through after placing a red line, which will deter future action by Russia.
(However, it could trigger false action by rebels.)
Overall, I don’t believe Trump will act precipitously if/when any future chemicals are used.
I believe the Russians will try hard to produce evidence of what actually happened, and move heaven and earth to verify the cause of any future problem.
The attack appeared to demonstrate that Trump and Russia can communicate with each other and prevent future problems…..although there is a small possibility Russia will seek revenge. I hope not, especially as no Russian was killed, and the Russian port of Tartus was not attacked in any way. Russia will probably be happy with cyber-skirmishing.
Neither the US, nor the Russians needed to display use of full capability.
The Russian capability of electronic blocking is still unknown.
Although Mr. Moriarty will disagree, I see Iran much more of a problem than Syria.
I would prefer to let Israel handle Syria and not get the US involved. There is evidence that Israel has been attacking Iranian troops and positions in Syria. (e.g. mysterious explosions at Iranian arms stockpiles in Syria at night. It is clear Israel is very concerned about the presence of Iranians so close.
Israel’s *published* expansionist ambition guarantees Iran’s support of Syria and Lebanon in self-defense, because they know/believe they are the next target after those two.
If Israel enters Syria in a more obvious way, that is war with Iran as well, which Israel will only do if they know the US will get involved
Your “published” expansionism is not the view of the current government of Israel and you know it.
Yes it is CFS, its the Yinon plan and it will be followed to completion or the end of Israel.
The Yinon plan is so stupid a belief……It was a projection of obsolete British Middle East policy and thought at most.
If it currently exists, how will it work?
Because it is clear, within a couple of generations, Muslims will be beginning to control most of Europe, and it’s production and military power.
There simply aren’t enough Zionists to allow the Yinon plan ever to succeed.
Ah, CFS. So, you would have me believe that Israel’s threat to Lebanon and Syria should not be viewed by Iran as a threat? Or is Israel not a threat to Lebanon and Syria? Are we still entertaining the notion that the US is only in Syria to help the ‘moderate rebels’ overthrow ‘Animal Assad’, and that Israel isn’t really involved?
CFS:
You talk rubbish. Who were the two allies that the US was supplying arms to in the Iran Contra affair?
Easy Mexico and Israel (Bob’s two favorite countries!)
As far as I believe, the US presence in Syria has little to do with Israel, but is intended to destroy ISIS.
Trump has said he will withdraw US from Syria, once ISIS is defeated. We will see if that happens. I don’t know if it will, since I don’t often trust the word of any politician, I observe.
I believe Obama, as a Muslim-leaning traitor to the US, did not go into Syria to help Israel, but to impede Russian attacks on ISIS.
You need to do some more home work, concerning your first statement………jmo
Ah, so now the US wanted to defeat ISIS, but Obama was working against that effort. So all the blame is on that nasty Muslim-leaning traitor. Very convenient.
If Obama is Muslim, or Muslim-leaning, CFS, why did he nominate 3 Jews to the Supreme Court? Had his last nomination passed, it would have been 5/9 Jews. Is that what Muslim traitors do?
He was Alinsky communist, British-empire hater, above all.
Great question, GH. Thank you.
Obama singlehandedly allowed ISIS to make money off Syria’s oil? What about the military and the press? Why did they support him in such treason?
https://sputniknews.com/world/201512111031597006-us-daesh-oil/
They supported him purely and simply because it was the politically correct thing to do.
I guess, Al. But is that all? I can come up with multiple hypotheses.
If various groups colluded in allowing ISIS to finance itself while we were supposedly fighting them, shouldn’t that make us all stop, take notice, and get to the very bottom of the matter? But we don’t.
If there is treason involved, and we don’t investigate it, and no one is punished, have the American people lost, or won? Is their situation getting better or worse?
Why does our media blitz us with OJ, or Monica, Martha Stewart, or Trayvon, but not about apparent treason? Must there not be complicity in the mass media?
CFS:
The US Special Forces were training and equipping ISIS in Jordan. My nephew was part of it. If ISIS was ever the enemy there wouldn’t be 30 mile long convoys of crude being driven into Turkey. In 1968-1970 I would have begged for a target like that. It took the Russians a few aircraft runs to stop that in a hurry.
ISIS was created by Israel and the US and that’s really common knowledge.
But is what happened under the traitor Obama the same as what is happening now?
Is the dep state in control or the President or Congress or whom.?
oops, deep not dep
Officially, this is still Trump’s policy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-instructs-military-to-begin-planning-for-withdrawal-from-syria/2018/04/04/1039f420-3811-11e8-8fd2-49fe3c675a89_story.html?utm_term=.cd9bcafc6767
We will see how close it is to truth.
sgtreport and 9/11
Usawatchdog weekly wrap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eh4fO_DqZQ
OSU is a bought and paid for pro corporatism factory…This guy knows nothing that will matter or make a difference..He will be hired by corporations to argue their positions…I went to OSU…A mill for continuing elites control….
OSU has produced a massive mult-generational force of compliant medical doctors for instance..All alternatives driven out by medical boards…A true corporate killing machine..sorry, this is what I see!
I am glad you said that……….
right ootb…This guy is guarded insincere obtuse and too fancy…a paid for accredited professional bullshitter….he is the problem and not the solution…he needs a salary…nuffff
ditto again………you can tell that by the conversation, the guy can not keep on track…he was jumping all over the place.
Gotta disagree on this one, OOTB I thought that Gleb was pretty clear. I do think that he could have gone a bit deeper.
I am searching diligently in an attempt to come to some reasonable conclusion about “fake news”. Gleb discussed more of an ideal situation and unfortunately I don’t think that we are even close to making a determination because of the sophistication of the distribution of “fake news”
This is a complicated and frustrating situation for me, my man. It is difficult for me to keep emotions out of some of these discussions especially when some folks make personal affronts at me.
More on this later in an editorial which I have put together while I am at the hospital with Kathy.
Owl…….you will never know it all……..you will know in part……..
I am completely convinced that none of us will never know it all, OOTB.
Sound logic……from a PHD…..never going to happen….The brain washing in the Universities has been going on since 1913, …..The universities are a failure.
Morally they are bankrupt.
As always, OOTB, there are some exceptions to every rule.
Hoping you have a great day……stay strong…
Easy Jerry when you don’t have a choice.
Do not forget this is a National Walk out day……for the students….to protest gun violence, a planned program…….they should learn about the constitution and the federal reserve, and they might have a half way chance of staying alive.
Sorry for my “french” OOTB, my opinion regarding National Walkout Day? A crock of shit.
right ootb…This guy is guarded insincere obtuse and too fancy…a paid for accredited professional bullchitter….he is the problem and not the solution…he needs a salary…nuffff
The nice thing about our forum is that everyone can express his/her opinion without fear of censorship This will never change.
We are grateful for the forum.
I am not trying to be mean Al…He is the status quo crushing America in an inescapable prison of totally oppressive corporate driven profit cartels..example..OSU only teaches Keynsianism no Austrian economics exists per OSU…Feds fund economics departments that teach Keynsian stuff…nuff
I did not realize the lpr.
Appreciate your input.
Right Al…You need to attend Hillsdale college to be educated in conservatism and Austrian economics…It is like ‘the’ last man standing so to speak…Maybe get a guest from there on society corruption and lying propaganda relationships…my2
William Black confirms the substance of what you say, lpr.
He is in the economics department at a University in Missouri, maybe Kansas. He said it was one of the few, if not only, ‘heterodox’ economic programs in the entire country.
Look on the bright side. Al has created a new term here on KER.
A Gleb: When two or more people talk in circles for 20 minutes about a subject that can be summed-up in two or three sentences. [ gleb ]
Hard to disagree, Chartster.
OY GLEB!…..I go in circles…..But it gives me job security..lol
never tell the truth…rule one
rule two…what do you mean what do I mean
Ha! The truth, Abbot and Costello version.
Truths on first”.
I salute you for your focus on the theme of ‘Fake News’, Al.
It’s not a simple topic. Who is to say what is truth and what is not? What is the difference between fact and opinion, or is there one?
I’ll try to write up my thoughts on the matter in a succinct and articulate manner…
I apologize for getting over-emotional last week. I’m not sure if you saw my subsequent posts explaining my view. But it’s not that I think you advocate war, Al.
It is simply that the record couldn’t be clearer that the MIC regularly presents us with unbelievable stories, like those of Skripal and Douma, to justify more military action.
If we swallow their propaganda, then whether or not we want war, it will happen.
We need to be much more critical in our thinking, and much slower to initiate belligerent acts.
Related to fake news, surveillance and censorship.
Bro Nat is eccentric, but provides lots of food for thought.
See the clip from 0:20 – 1:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4il0Zgr6E
Using artificial intelligence and machine learning to create an
‘Online Hate Index’, to measure, ‘The growing amount of hate on social media.’
Does anyone else find this woman terrifying?
As if this isn’t being done to serve the agenda of those financing it. Just like Google, Facebook, and Twitter censoring conservative voices.
Anyone listening…I think Ker aka Al get incredible guests…Actually the guests describe what Ker is trying to unravel, which is truth…Very interesting questions being requested of guests…problem is that the guests given a chance always regurgitate the status quo lie…Of course we are lied to on a massive and on going basis….probabilities lie with IT being a lie…But some sources do exist trying to show truth ..like here
oh and another random thought…generally what these PhD types learn from engaging these sort of sites is how to be better at deception rather than pursuing truth as a goal…Not saying this fella is that way…But the system does require co-operation to keep your job
In 2018 there will be millions that have their ” moment “, the moment when they realize that their tinfoil hat-wearing friends where right about EVERYTHING…
How do we get a source that is free from bias in that location? That is a problem.
Do I believe the Russians? Possibly. How do I verify? I don’t know.
I could not find a manufacturer of smoke grenades closer to Salisbury than Reading.
There is a major UK Army base at Larkhill on the Salisbury Plain where tank exercises are held.
Also Nearby an airforce base at Boscombe Down also on the Salisbury Plain.
Many smoke grenades used by UK forces are Czech made!
This may make the Russian claim less credible.
This Is The Problem: Out of Top 100 News Outlets, Not a Single One Questioned Syrian Attack
no wonder, then, that:
Poll Shows Americans Support the Invasion of Syria, Reveals What Americans Misunderstand About that War
Well, I have never been in the camp of most people.
All wars begin with propaganda.
Of course they do GH. Thanks or the reminder
Gosh, with such unanimity of opinion, one might think all us dissenter here are just cranks.
But if we’re so incapable of investigating and thinking clearly, how do we survive in the markets?
Such lockstep on the part of the media screams ‘inverted totalitarianism’.
The current totalitarianism is more horizontal than vertical. The sheeple themselves are the ones enforcing all the stupidity/control that the elite want.
I was under the definite impression that most news outlets did have questions.
What You Need to Know About Historical Zionism – Video Compilation
There are people here that already know this, he is so clear and just makes it so easy to follow I thought it was pretty good.
Look, you guys. Evidence HAS to hang together.
You say US is under control of Jews or Zionists.
If that is true explain how refugees imported out of Syria by Obama were not Jews, were not Christians but 98% muslims.
You say the UK is controlled by Jews or Zionists, so how come most of the immigrants being allowed in are again Muslims?
I’m sure Israel would love to control the whole Middle East, but thinking something would be geat is quite different from actually making it happen or even trying to make it happen.
The overall plan, is for the Muslim to cause confusion, where by the sheeple will beg for order……NWO., keep it simple stupid for the sheeple.
CFS, take the time to watch what I posted.
I went shopping…It felt like I was going Gleb!..lololol
Al: I share your frustration in the search for the truth. Here’s some interesting reading on the first strike that trump made on Syria a year ago: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html