KER Politics – Thu 26 Sep, 2019

Ukraine likely to pursue the cases that Trump urged on President Selensky in a controversial phone call last July.

KYIV, Ukraine—The Daily Beast has learned from an influential member of Ukraine’s parliament, from one of the country’s prosecutors, and from a center combating corruption that the government here is likely to pursue the cases that President Donald Trump urged on President Volodymyr Zelensky in a controversial phone call last July. But not the way Trump intends, and not necessarily to the detriment of Trump challenger Joe Biden.

The investigations and possible prosecutions, if they happen, would take place in the context of a new law signed by Zelensky just before his departure for the United Nations General Assembly in New York, where he is expected to meet face to face with Trump for the first time.

In Kyiv, there are widespread hopes that the reforms will help Zelensky, a former comedian who played a corruption-fighting president on television, deliver on his campaign promise to clean up Ukraine for real. A new team of independent prosecutors is supposed to re-open investigations of past cases and answer questions about the corruption in post-revolutionary Ukraine over the last five years.

During much of that time, investigations were launched against various powerful oligarchs, then quietly shut down when, it was widely assumed, the prosecutors were paid off. As a result it has been hard to know if the investigations were justified or merely launched for purposes of extortion.

“We are trying ultimately to re-set the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine, to speed up the reform,” Kirill Timoshenko, deputy head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday. In accordance with the new law, all Ukrainian prosecutors will go through a process of recertification. The number of prosecutors will be cut down from 15,000 to 10,000. Timoshenko said he could not comment on specific cases and could not say more about Zelensky’s agenda for the meeting with Trump on Wednesday. 

Valentin Nalyvaichenko, a former head of Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency and a member of Ukraine’s parliament, says he expects the corruption case of the Burisma gas company—two cases were opened and dropped by various prosecutors over the years—to be revisited. Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, was a board member. 

Joe Biden is now Trump’s leading opponent in the 2020 U.S. presidential elections, and both Trump and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, have been working to find dirt on Biden in Ukraine. 

“Ukraine’s parliament is planning to hold hearings about the various corrupt schemes.”

Nalyvaichenko said his country will be best served by pursuing an investigation related to Burisma’s alleged multi-million-dollar corruption deals, not because of Trump’s pressure but because Ukraine wants to know the truth about its own corruption, whether the founder of Burisma, Ukraine’s ex-minister of natural resources Mykola Zlochevsky from 2010 to 2012, had paid to quash the earlier investigations into the way he acquired gas licenses.

In an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast, Nalyvaichenko said Ukraine’s parliament is planning to hold hearings about the various corrupt schemes. Nalyvaichenko, who is a member of the opposition Fatherland Party, serves in a parliamentary group focused on U.S.-Ukraine relations.

“I am going to support President Zelensky’s initiatives to have new investigations by a new team at the law-enforcement agency,” Nalyvaichenko said. This would include inquiries into the actions of previous prosecutor generals, Yury Lutsenko and Victor Shokhin. “I am convinced that Zelensky will say in New York that these are our domestic investigations, we are going to figure them out on our own.” He added, however, “We’d be happy to cooperate with the FBI.”   

Prosecutor Sergiy Gorbatyuk investigated the founder of Burisma company, Zlochevsky, for three months in 2016, until Prosecutor General Lutsenko made a decision to drop the probe. First, Lutsenko took the case away from the investigators, then closed it down illegally, Gorbatyuk told The Daily Beast on Tuesday.

“There would not have been any question [about pursuing] such cases today, if Lutsenko did not interfere in the investigations,” the prosecutor said. “I hope that with the change of management at the prosecutor general’s office, there will be no illegal interferences and this case as well as other probes will be investigated strictly in accordance with the law.”

“We are going to see some big former decision makers behind bars very soon, I have no doubt.”
— Ukrainian sociologist Irina Bekeshkina

  1. On September 26, 2019 at 11:00 am,
    CFS says:

    Trump supporters might say. “Ukraine, Please investigate crimes of Joe and Hunter Biden.”
    Anti-Trumpers would say. “Trump just asked Ukraine to help him in the next election.”

    What you perceive depends on where you stand politically.

    • On September 26, 2019 at 11:51 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Or , If , you are making money on the ignorance of the sheeple………..
      The Ukraine deal , Trump is getting hoodwinked by the neocons again…..
      ciashadwogovt plants…….
      I posted earlier the connection of the on going Odessa George Webb…..some really need to get a handle on this one…..otherwise kiss your america apple pie,,,bye, bye…

  2. On September 26, 2019 at 11:19 am,
    CFS says:

    What is clear to me:
    Trump has EVERY LEGAL RIGHT, indeed, an obligation to request investigations into alleged crimes by Americans.
    Trump does not necessarily have a right to ask for help in an up-coming election, by threat of duress.

    But what you “see” depends on where you stand politically.

    Given the actual statements of Joe Biden, it is a self-admitted crime, and Trump HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION.

    Given Un-substantiated information leaked about money flows to Hunter Biden (and Joe Biden) there is substantial corruption that needs investigation.

    Given the explicit powers given to the President in foreign policy under the Constitution it appears to me Trump has every right to send ANY person (includingGuiliani) to investigate foreign policy illegalities of past and present, which might have a bearing on current foreign policy.

  3. On September 26, 2019 at 11:32 am,
    pardu says:

    The focus by the media and the dems is a mis-direction from the real issue and that issue is mentioned in the telephone transcript. When Trump asked about “Crowdstike” and the server that may still exist in Ukraine that is what the dems don’t want to come out. “Crowdstrike” apparently is the effort of a Ukrainian, backed by Russia, who hacked into the DNC server. The server was requested by the FBI for forensic study to see what happened, but Debbie Wasserman Schultz wouldn’t let the FBI have it (it is probably destroyed). Why didn’t they let the FBI examine it? The Ukrainian, baked by Russia, in question may have much information about the Russian collusion hoax and the connection with the Hillary campaign and the DNC, both of whom payed Christopher Steele for the phony dossier.

    Could it be that this mis-direction is an attempt to head off any more talk of the project “Crowdstrike” and the corruption there? The focus is all on Biden and his son and their alleged connection with a corrupt Ukrainian Oligarch and the disappearance of the 1.8 billion given to Ukraine for energy industry stability, which disappeared into one of the Oligarch’s personal banks. The Dems may be willing to sacrifice Biden (who they don’t necessarily want to win their nomination) by keeping the focus on him and not on Crowdstrike, hoping to also take down Trump by innuendo and disception, and lies.

    It is as though the ship is sinking for the Dems and the rats behind the dossier, the collusion hoax, the FISA abuse, etc. are coming out of the woodwork and scrambling to avoid scrutiny and potential adjudication. This reads like a very good spy thriller novel, only it is real and doing great damage to Trump and the nation, all in order for the deep state to maintain its power structure and those who support the deep state. This will undoubtedly turn out to be a battle royale. Hopefully all of the truth will come out and then let the chips fall where they may.

    • On September 26, 2019 at 11:52 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Ditto…..Pardu………well said on the 1st paragraph……….

      • On September 26, 2019 at 11:54 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Most here do not know anything about Crowdstrike……..I almost can guarantee you…

  4. On September 26, 2019 at 12:43 pm,
    Chartster says:

    Good comments, Pardu.

    The Ukrane saga with crowd strike and the multi government coup attempt will be the last straw. Trump asking for the crowd strike server is not grounds for impeachment. The deep state has a lot to loose this time. And trying to change the structure of government is sedition.
    This is where the gloves come off. I guess these folks got a lot to loose given the extreme desperation of committing sedition.
    Let the 100,000 plus sealed indictments become, unsealed!

    • On September 26, 2019 at 1:11 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      George Webb……..covered this before anyone was talking about……..

      • On September 26, 2019 at 1:14 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Been following George for the last several months……..and he has been spot on…
        He has been doing research on this for three or four years….

  5. On September 26, 2019 at 1:14 pm,
    AJ says:

    The Swiftboating of Joe Biden

    Biden seems unelectable now with the smear campaign working. Warren will be next.