Was the action against Soleimani by the U.S. justified?

Opinions from all over the world are across the board. Here is what Big Al; Jim McKinney; and, Frieda think.

  1. On January 4, 2020 at 9:06 pm,
    cfs says:

    I’m sure the U.S. could have killed Solemani at any time in Iran.

    they DID NOT.
    At no time has the U.S. seriously considered that kind of action.

    On the other hand, when Soleimani landed in Baghdad, the U.S. struck , taking out two cars and killing 2 Iranians and 5 Hezbollah-related men. No reported civilian casualties.

    Ask yourself WHY was Soleimani in Baghdad ?
    Do you seriously think he was on vacation or visiting friends ?

    I believe he was there to support a further attack on the U.S. Embassy.
    I can’t prove it, but does it not make complete sense ?

    Why kill Soleimani ?

    He was THE person who introduced and was in charge of supplying IEDs to Iraq.
    (and also to Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon.)
    I do not believe he was actually in charge of supplying rockets to Hezbollah, but I could be wrong about that, and it is Iran that supplies the rockets, which are used to attack Israel, and such rockets were used even today (yesterday local time) to be fired into the Green zone just North of Baghdad where U.S. troops are.

    Death toll of U.S. personnel in overseas (predominantly due to IEDs is, I believe, standing at 608. (I quote from memory, but will correct if wrong)

    Incidentally, both Clinton and Obama were offered opportunities to take out Soleimani, who has been around creating mischief for 40 years, and both Presidents procrastinated on making any decision until the opportunity was lost. Clinton never did decide; Obama eventually said “no”, despite using drones routinely in other situations. (Even killing American citizens.)

    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:22 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:

      The Soleimani murder is going to allow everyone to determine which category they fall into, fool or patriot.

      I quote from a brilliant article about the murder which could easily lead to WW III and lots of unthinking people frankly think that’s just a wonderful idea. I think WW III is a really bad idea.

      “Anyone who just accepts US government assertions about the need for military force without a mountain of independently verifiable proof is, to put it nicely, a complete f#cking idiot.”


      • On January 5, 2020 at 9:14 am,
        Big Al says:

        Morning Bob,

        I believe that your points would be made more effectively if they were made by quoting verifiable facts. You are an intelligent man and I know that you could do that very effectively.

        Simply calling someone a F#cking idiot is an absolutely worthless action.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 11:04 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:


          That was a quote from the article and it was a brilliant article. I didn’t say it. If you had bothered reading it you would have known that.

          • On January 6, 2020 at 4:51 am,
            Marty says:

            Someone/ owner who has tolerated Kitco displaying inactive quotes , often at times 6 hours to a full day behind an active quote in some/all gold/ silver/ USD quotes, on 321gold.com thoughts should / could be dismissed as too casual for consideration. I’ve been waiting 2-3 years to make this pronouncement. Yes, I was a Vietnam vet as well.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:05 am,
      Big Al says:

      Good Morning CFS, Thanks for this response. I certainly don’t approve of killing another human being and that decision on my part is a direct result of my Christian faith. Drawing on examples from the Bible, there does appear to be times when that horrible action occurs. Simplistically speaking I note that it occurs when “crimes against humanity” are committed.

      My understanding of aspects of the Muslim faith leads me to believe that “radical Muslims” do condone “crimes against humanity” Examples that come to mind include decapitation of journalists as occurred in the past. Killing of people who disagree with them by “radicals” and the obvious example of Jihad condoned by Religious leaders.

      If these actions occurred in the confines of their own spheres and not in all of humanity I would not have this view as I believe that a person can engage in any action that he/she desires as long as that action does not affect another human being detramentally.

      I realize that some within this Forum will disagree and I welcome their rational as I learn from listening to others with an open mind.

      I will be staying home all day today and will respond to all comments to the best of my ability.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 5:51 pm,
      Jim M says:

      CFS – I meant to say we proved we could get the most powerful man in Iran if desired – you are right, no one did it before, but we could have. I know, I did that for a living.

      This is a monumental shift in strategy – a bold, direct pressure and threat campaign to disrupt and bankrupt Iranian influence – it is dangerous, but is causing tectonic shifts in power – it may or may not work, but it won’t make it any less stable (investors figured that out today,) that it has been – and we are energy independent so who cares?

      It may be an actual way out of the morass. So what if we leave a smoking hole where the IRGC and Ayatollahs once stood? Most Iranians want to live in peace, have a job, and integrate back into the world order – spontaneous, grass roots protest in the last year have shown it. Iranian people don’t want a war any more than most Americans. The ideological leadership are gasping to maintain power. It won’t work in the long run.

      For the idiots out there claiming Iran is a normal country with misunderstood intentions – maybe they should look a little deeper at their religious police, their actual government structure, judicial system, security apparatus, external support to named terror organizations, and the amount of funding and research they have put into their nuclear program (for a country some of the largest energy reserves in the world).

      Poor Iran, maligned since the fall of the Shah and taking US diplomats as hostages for 444 days. We deserved it, right? Wrong

  2. On January 4, 2020 at 9:09 pm,
    cfs says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:24 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      The “hundreds of American deaths” line you hear regurgitated by everyone from Trump to Elizabeth Warren actually refers to Iraqis defending themselves from an illegal US invasion with some training from Iran. The claim that Iran was behind Iraqi bombs is without evidence and wouldn’t matter if it were true; claiming the inhabitants of an invaded nation don’t have the right to defend themselves is absurd, regardless of where they got their weaponry.


    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:19 am,
      Big Al says:

      I fthink that these numbers will be “taken to task” because of the source and also because a lot of folks will respond by saying that American troops should not be in those theaters.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 11:07 am,
        Robert Moriarty says:


        I am certain you would consider it a minor technical issue but we were in both Syria and Iraq based on lies and there is no legal reason for use to be there other than to be a lap/attack dog for Israel. This is exactly what the Yinon piece suggested happen 38 years ago.

        And the article made the perfectly valid and logical statement that if US troops were not there, they would face no danger.

  3. On January 4, 2020 at 9:15 pm,
    cfs says:

    The correct number for U.S. military deaths in Iraq was corrected to 603.
    That was the number I quoted yesterday or the day before, and the Military Times has corrected their reporting.

  4. On January 4, 2020 at 9:43 pm,
    CFS says:

    Big Al, answering your question from Hour 2 earlier today:

    I don’t have a lot of history of using Summit news.
    When the Drudge Report went wobbly last year I looked for other news aggregators.
    And SummitNews was one I found.
    They do have an email free Newsletter that delivers headline news, which I signed up for.

    Contact information
    Owner and Data Controller
    Summit News, C/O 93Media Partners Global, LLC
    7301 RR 620 N, Ste 155-283
    Austin, TX 78726

    Owner contact email: help@summit.news
    website: https://summit.news

    I hope this is the info you need, but I’m ignorant of their actual news structure as to whether they merely aggregate (which I think is the case) or actually have some employed reporters (which I’m dubious about)
    I do note Paul Joseph Watson has written editorials for them.

  5. On January 4, 2020 at 9:58 pm,
    cfs says:

    Big Al, I answered the question about Summit News on hour 2.

    Note their website is summit.news
    not summitnews.com, which is a Colorado news station.

    Summit.news is based in Texas, with phone numbers given in my answer on hour 2: politics

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:23 am,
      Big Al says:

      Many thanks for taking the time to answer this particular question of mine.

  6. On January 4, 2020 at 10:50 pm,
    cfs says:

    Think about the following:
    when you hear Democrats criticize Trump over the death of Soleimeni.

    (And you wonder about my generally low opinion about politicians ?)

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:28 am,
      Big Al says:

      i followed the link. I have always pretty much shared your opinion on some of our politicians. My opinion on this stems from discussions that I had in the past some of the politicians who I did respect.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:27 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      Those who have actually fought in wars as opposed to staff officers or professors who know the price of everything and the value of nothing recognize that when you commit an act of war it is traditional for the party attacked to fight back.

      It’s how war works. Defending yourself is what any reasonable person would do.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 9:30 am,
        Big Al says:

        Interesting, Bob, you always go back to pointing fingers at two of our valuable contributors.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 11:12 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:


          If you had a vote you would find that most of the board share my point of view. I provide links and facts, they provide opinions.

          Another war in the middle east for Israel would be beyond stupid and please don’t try convincing anyone that this is not a war for Israel because it is and we know it.

          Sheldon Adelson said six years ago that the US should drop a nuke in the Iranian desert just to show we could. That suggestion is a war crime all by itself.

          Trump assassinated the general on orders from Sheldon Adelson and look for the Jewish led impeachment to fade away now that he has gotten the message and if you don’t believe it was Jewish led, look at the list below
          Congressman Brad Sherman, Jewish
          Tom Steyer, Jewish
          Congressman Steve Cohen, Jewish
          Congressman Elliot Engel, Jewish
          Congresswoman Nita Lowey, Jewish
          Congresswoman Elaine Luria, Jewish
          Congressman Adam Schiff, Jewish
          Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Jewish
          Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, Jewish
          Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, Jewish
          Ambassador Gordon Sondland, Jewish
          Congressman Jerry Nadler, Jewish
          Attorney Daniel Sachs Goldman, Jewish
          George Soros, Jewish
          Dr. Fiona Hill, Jewish
          Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin, Jewish
          Former Deputy National Security Advisor Charles Kupperman, Jewish
          National Security Advisor John Bolton, Jewish

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:38 pm,
            b says:

            I have definitely noticed fewer contributors since Al has been in full support of cfs and Mckinny.

            I for one sure miss GH.(course I miss bird) Others stopped posting too tho,
            ootb for one, always good for christian bible deciphering. But gh had great info and intelligent perspective.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:00 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Is it a crime for me to support CFS and Jim. The Bird, by the way is a good man in my opinion. He left our comment section over three years ago and that was significantly prior to the presence of Jim.

            Regarding OOTB, I consider him to be a good friend and I understand that he and his family are now spending time in Florida. He also has made numerous comments today and recently.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:59 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            thanks for the compliment b…………appreciate…..

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:47 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Owl…….as I also, consider you a friend…..

  7. On January 4, 2020 at 11:14 pm,
    cfs says:

    Trump’s actions in attempting to warn Iran over retaliation over Soleimani’s death worry me.
    I am concerned he is backing himself into a corner and will not have the humility to back down if confronted. Sometimes it is necessary not to create conditions for escalation.
    I believe it was highly appropriate to assassinate Soleimeni, but the Muslim world is probably divided over the issue. It seems foolish to further aggravate the situation and lock in more enemies, perhaps just to save face.
    The U.S. has shown it is powerful; that the Trump administration is not the weak Obama administration….let that sink in, before escalating the situation. Then further escalation might be unnecessary. Warning or threatening Iran accomplishes little directly; they would not overtly attack the U.S., but probably use some indirect attack anyway.


    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:36 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      For much of the last 20 years I have believed that the US attacking Iraq based on nothing more than a mountain of lies coming from Israel would be the dumbest political act in US history. Thousands of American kids died for Israel as the war destroyed US credibility around the world and bankrupted our country.

      I will admit I was wrong. For the US to kill the #2 guy in Iran and make the claim that it was to prevent war is easily the dumbest event in US history. Take my word, even you will eventually get it.

      This was universe class stupid.

      I was in a war and the biggest surprise to me was the first time someone shot at me intending to kill me. Not kill Americans, but to kill me. Poor innocent me.

      When you attack people don’t be real shocked if they fight back. When you are utterly clueless about war as you appear to be, don’t be real surprised when your country gets its ass kicked.

      We have platoons of pampered, pompous princes of the Pentagon non of whom have ever won a battle much less a war. The US was worse off after every single war we have fought in the last two decades and there are some so brain dead that they still don’t understand that doing exactly the same thing time after time and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 3:26 am,
        Temple says:

        The Orange Wonder should put his fat orange arse on the front lines…Pompeo and the rest too — https://babylonbee.com/news/people-who-tweet-in-support-of-foreign-wars-to-be-automatically-enlisted-in-armed-forces?fbclid=IwAR2NNG6n84yAimbi_2ky_nTCFY_v8irz20bmwrv1_F1lVZu1Fj8Uq2NqNoM

        And that goes for the rest on this neoconservative site who are ga-ga for war. Too bad this is not a site that sticks to the foreign policy of the Founders.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 6:10 am,
          Ebolan says:

          Here’s an article that might interest you and your subscribers.


          • On January 5, 2020 at 6:13 am,
            Ebolan says:

            The people of Iran are not our enemy. They share the same abominable foe and deserve our solidarity. They must know that the citizens of America are ignorant of who rules them, and that decisions made using our flag are not made by us.

            In the name of the existence of our people and the future of our children, and even broader in the name of humanity, we must ensure that this will be Judah’s last war.

            Only then can we all be free.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 7:20 am,
          Temple says:
        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:47 am,
          Big Al says:

          Morning Chris,

          I believe that what you are saying regarding “not sticking to the foreign policy of our country’s founders is, in a sense, very correct. As you should be aware from our numerous past conversations, I personally do believe in sticking to that “foreign policy”

          I ask you to read the first comment that I made about 90 minutes ago in response to the first comment made on this issue by CFS.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:39 am,
      Big Al says:


      Bob does have a point about a potential WW3. That however depends on the potential actions of the Russians and Chinese.

      You have to admit that this is predicted in the Bible.

  8. On January 4, 2020 at 11:24 pm,
    cfs says:

    We know Trump suffers from exaggeration tendencies……has Pompeo caught the disease?


    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:53 am,
      Big Al says:

      I would agree that he does appear to suffer from “exaggeration tendencies”

  9. On January 5, 2020 at 1:05 am,
    CFS says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:56 am,
      Big Al says:

      Mr. Celente stands a chance of being correct on his prediction. I really like him, but I really hope that he is not correct.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 3:15 pm,
        Chad says:

        Mr Celente was really upset at the end of the show. Was breaking up, I never heard him so upset. Hope this all blows over and no more blood is spilled.
        The World is crazy!

  10. On January 5, 2020 at 1:18 am,
    irishtony says:


    Watch this podcast from the Duran….Some very interisting facts about Suleimani.
    For what its worth , i think they made a very big mistake , taking him out in Iraq.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 1:41 am,
      cfs says:

      As you know theDuran is Russian sponsored out of the UK…..not exactly un-biased.

      The Democrats may allege Trump colludes with Russians, but any sane person knows Russia colludes with Democrats, not Trump.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 1:55 am,
        irishtony says:

        CFS…Yes i am aware of the fact that the Duran is Russian sponsored , but they give us a different slant on the news , not just what the mainstream media hogwash put out every day in the West……..

        not exactly un -biased….Then you state Reuters is a fairly un-biased newa source..
        HaHa…..Do yo know who owns & controlls Reuters…..do some homework.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 2:05 am,
          cfs says:

          Just for you Irish:


        • On January 5, 2020 at 2:09 am,
          cfs says:

          Reuters is a newsfeed service, which makes it less biased than a newspaper, and last I check it was Canadian with French ties, not American controlled.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:10 am,
            Robert Moriarty says:


            You do understand the basic but important difference between the messenger and the message, right?

            You and Jim M need to finish that logic course even if it’s only by correspondence. You both demonstrate a total inability to think for yourself. It’s not illegal you know, you really should try it.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 7:47 am,
        Ebolan says:

        Robert, all good arguments, indeed, and the truth, of course.

        But if you went into an insane asylum armed only with good arguments and the truth would you change anyone’s mind?

        I hate to say it but we are probably wasting our time here.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 8:35 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:


          “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

          The sin of doing nothing is the deadliest of all the seven sins.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:14 pm,
            Matthew says:

            Evil is ignorance distilled so it’s easy to see that the ignorant masses give the power brokers their teeth.
            GH quit commenting here many months ago because he found out that facts are no match propaganda.

            “Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it.” — Henry Ford

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:09 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Great comment Matthew, Thanks for the posting!

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm,
            b says:

            True EB, but Bob is right too.

            The places that might have a chance to reach people are those new aps the young people use.
            They get a post they like to go to millions of people in a few days, here? What? a few thousand at best?
            Metal investing is a niche market.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 10:14 am,
        Big Al says:

        Being sponsored by the Russian certainly should raise some eyebrows.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 11:44 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:


          See my comment to CFS. Who cares about the messenger? Read the message, there is a difference. Saying something is suspect because the Russians have something to do with it sounds like warning of the boogie man.

          If you watched Duran as I know you did not, you would have found it great reporting and thinking. Who cares who paid for it?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:15 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Thanks Bob for this particular comment. I did listen to the audio in the link since it did not contain any video. If you comment back that you recommend that I become familiar with Duran, I certainly will.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm,
            cfs says:

            The Duran has been around a long time….several years, usually commentating on European affairs.
            As is typical with much Russian propaganda they report a lot of truth, as long as it supports a Russian position.
            They report more truthfully than the fake media, however, the subtlety comes in what they omit.
            Over the years of watching, I believe they try to sow seeds of discontent, that people accept as “the truth”. They rarely report incorrect facts. Their interpretation of “facts” is what is debatable.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 1:35 pm,
          Robert Moriarty says:


          The link to the Duran Video was posted above by another poster. If you watch it I think you will realize I pretty much get it and CFS doesn’t. Duran points out that the general was actually a fairly minor person in their armed forces, only important because he headed the Quds forces. His real sin was to have trained Hezbollah who defeated the IDF when they invaded Lebanon in 2006. For that Israel wanted him killed.


          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:44 pm,
            Big Al says:

            I am not able to play this video. I have to assume that I have to pay for the service first. Do you have any idea what my problem is in this particular case?

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:13 am,
      Big Al says:

      I have to say, Mr. Irish, that the future holds the answer to the question of was this a very big mistake.
      A portion of the Muslims (and please not that I say “a portion”) have been poking the world for a long time with some of their actions. This poking has resulted in a very divided international society.

      To call the actions of those opposed to the “Radicals” wrong is a valid point. But then again what about the deplorable actions of the Jihadists. To me these actions demand retaliation.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 10:17 am,
        Big Al says:

        Sorry Irish, I meant to write “note” and mistakenly wrote “not”

  11. On January 5, 2020 at 1:35 am,
    cfs says:

    Celente was mistaken in saying Iran had not threatened the U.S.
    e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-guards-idUSKCN1SG0PX

    Reuters is a fairly un-biased news source.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 1:55 am,
      cfs says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:20 am,
      Big Al says:

      Thanks CFS for bringing up this point as it is correct. The propaganda that is being spread in social media (like this site) is going to get heaver and heaver.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:21 am,
      Miklo says:

      Reuters in-biased? Are F kidding me?

      Sometimes I really wonder whether one should take you seriously or not.
      Son, do some research on who own Reuter’s and then come back for more sane and adult discussions.
      I’ll give you a hint, if you’re not able to think for yourself:
      (((Reuters))) owners reside in The City of London and their family creast is a Red Shield. They dropped not long ago from the London Gold Fix!

      • On January 5, 2020 at 10:27 am,
        Big Al says:

        Here is the scoop on Reuters:


      • On January 5, 2020 at 2:26 pm,
        Matthew says:

        Exactly right, Miklo.
        Al, wikipedia is no more credible than the MSM. It too serves the leftist-globalist agenda.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 12:15 pm,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      I know you are counting on people accepting your statement at full value without reading the article but that article makes it perfectly clear that Iran has repeated again and again that they will respond when they are attacked. Saying you intend to defend yourself is not a threat unless you are some sort of Mossad water carrier spreading disinformation.

      In case you missed it before, the Iranians are perfectly capable and willing to defend themselves including warning aggressors that they will pay for their aggression.
      That is a promise, not a threat.

      But you knew that all along, didn’t you?

      • On January 5, 2020 at 1:08 pm,
        Big Al says:


        To me most of these comments are irrelevant since the Iraq Parliament has stated that it wants the U.S. to leave the country. Perhaps I am being simplistic, but it seems pretty cut and dried to me since I read and posted today’s article posted in The Wall Street Journal.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:36 pm,
      cfs says:

      I am hearing Democrat criticism of lack of consultation.
      What a joke, when John Kerry has previously reported he is in good contact with Zarif, the Iranian Foreign Minister.
      To not think about a leak is a real laugh.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:40 pm,
      cfs says:

      Even Schumer states that Trump has had several opportunities to kill Soleinei when Schumer asks “Why now?”

      The answer is that Soleimeni was in Baghdad, not for no reason.
      I believe U.S. intelligence knew why.

  12. On January 5, 2020 at 1:44 am,
    irishtony says:

    War , (what is it good for ) .
    Edwin Starr—-Got it in 1969……We all need to get it today .
    Send this link to everyone you know , post it on twitter & facebook & everywhere else ,
    We need people singing this song World Wide .


    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:21 am,
      Big Al says:

      I believed it then and I believe it now Mr. Irish!

  13. On January 5, 2020 at 2:56 am,
    AJ says:

    Trump vows to hit 52 Iranian targets if Iran retaliates after drone strike

    ‘Iranian culture’ – threatening to destroy archeological and religious sites, monuments and museums, the national archive, mosques? Madness.

  14. On January 5, 2020 at 6:06 am,
    Ebolan says:

    The Goyim are brainwashed fools who will bankrupt themselves and sacrifice the lives of their kids for the Zionists. The Goyim are nothing but brain dead Zionist tools. And if you don’t believe that just listen to the fools in this blog. Was the action against Soleimani by the U.S. justified, they ask? What an asinine question.

    Bubbly Nuttyyahoo and his pack of Jewish jackals have a deal you cannot refuse and it’s going to cost you a fortune. So get back to work tax cattle. Your government masters have a large bill for you to pay. And remember, no matter how much you pay, it will never be enough for the Israeliars.

  15. On January 5, 2020 at 6:31 am,
    Chartster says:

    Soleimani was in Iraq to take over Iraq with Iranian influence of a majority Iraq government through intimidation, meanwhile killing along the way. However, Soleimani was a puppet for the Rothschild / Rickefeller / Western European oligarch axis.

    The oligarchs have controlled the oil, weapons, government officials and the people since the CIA coup in 1953. They’ve used Iran and Israel to destabliize the Middle East since the end of ww2. Yes that’s right, the same people controlled both countries!

    You Jew (and Muslim) haters are as duped as the people you call brainwashed.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 6:42 am,
      Chartster says:

      The oligarch families ARE the Iran state oil company.
      Soleimani was in charge of the oil and weapons [ for them ]

      Uh yeah, it’s good he is gone. It’s a massive Game Changer…!

      • On January 5, 2020 at 7:43 am,
        Ebolan says:

        Game changer, indeed.

        For decades the Zionists have been trying to get Uncle Sucker into a war with Iran.

        And that means American kids will be horribly maimed and die. And of course the American taxpayer will get to pay for it all. I remind you Iraq has already cost at least a trillion.

        And this Soleimani hit lights that fuse. How is that good?

        • On January 5, 2020 at 8:05 am,
          Chartster says:

          Do you realize how many deaths the man is resins le for all over the Middle East?
          He was working ‘with’ Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. And ‘they’ are responsible too. Trump obviously isn’t working that ‘perpetual war’ plan.

          C’mon Man..it’s like you’re defending Jack the Ripper!
          Snap out of it..

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:07 am,
            Chartster says:

            Resins le = responsible. 🙄

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:07 am,
            Ebolan says:

            How are more American kids dying and the American taxpayer having to pay trillions more a good thing? Please answer that?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:22 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            If, TRUMPER………Loved the USof A……….He would
            1.End the FED.
            2.Cut the military in 1/2, and bring EVERYONE HOME.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:24 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            The DUMB ASS, needs to get a handle on the CONSTITUTION………

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:24 am,
            Ebolan says:

            Hey Jerry, how you been?

            I tell you Jerry, we must be gluttons for punishment! 🙂

            I tell ya Jerry, Danth’s law sure applies to me! 🙂


          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:26 am,
            Ebolan says:

            Don’t worry, Jerry…I’m sure we’ll see young Jared grab a rifle and head off to Iraq soon. Young Kushner isn’t too old to pull a trigger you know. 🙂

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:30 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Hello EBO,
            Hope you had a great Christmas, and Holiday…

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:31 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            I am down in South Florida,….the new third world country…..
            enjoying the season, ….lol

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:44 am,
            Ebolan says:

            the new third world country…..

            I tell you Jerry, there’s no escaping it.

            The same criminals getting us into all these wars are sending hordes of third worlders our way. What’s the meme? Invade the world/invite the world?


            Their objective is to destroy the middle class, western culture, and take away what’s left of our freedom and money.

            And the idiot sheeple in this country will cheer them on. Just look at some of the comments in this blog.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:52 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Ditto EBO……
            I have been listening to Webb, the last 65 days…….
            He has a real handle on the USA, since WW2.
            Until people get a clue, we are doomed……..for sure.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:48 pm,
            Cfs says:

            Are you sure Mnuchin isn’t trying to kill the monetary system to create a new system without the Fed, using Gold-backing or SDRs or Cryptos ?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:53 pm,
            Matthew says:

            Hey Jerry, I was worried about you. That might have been your longest break in ten years!
            Your comment at 8:22 is dead on.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:06 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Matthew……..thanks for the thought……..
            Yes, it was the longest time gone from this site, in the last 10 yrs.
            been busy, doing some other work on the insiders,cia trash….

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:02 am,
          Chartster says:

          Who said there was going to be another war?
          You, CNN?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:09 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            CNN……..nut jobs……..Can Nutty Nuts…..

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:11 am,
            Ebolan says:

            Right now more American kids are being sent to Iraq and other parts of the Middle East as cannon fodder. And it’s going to cost us a fortune in tax dollars.

            How is that good? Answer the question.

            Or do you with your 5D chess nonsense deny that’s happening now?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:48 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            EBO,……check out the cartoon below…….I think this sums up Trump…….JMO

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:31 am,
      Big Al says:

      Chartster, that is one of the more plausible comments that I have read on this particular issue.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 11:28 am,
        Chartster says:

        Thanks, Al.
        Strip away the bs news and do a bit of research and it all becomes clear.
        Today’s example of bs news:
        The Iraq parlement voted to make the US troop withdraw from Iraq. It was the sheite head Iranian faction. The Sunih and Kerds were not present. Iraq is in interim government status and can’t make law right now. (bs news including Fox News)

        The fact is, that the gulf cooperative council is routing-out all cabal-backed people throughout the Middle East right now. What Trump is doing, is bringing sovereignty to Iraq and Iran. Which eventually will get the Middle East peace agreement done.
        Donald Trump is doing the heavy lifting to bring peace.

  16. On January 5, 2020 at 7:27 am,
    Dick Tracy says:

    How would America feel if they had foreign troops on their soil physically dividing their country for 66 years as is the case in Korea. Then turn to the Middle East what right do Americans have to impose their beliefs by force on others. America still has troops stationed in Germany since The Second World War, that’s 75 years ago. The world now sees The US as the bully, but it took a long time because their propaganda machine has almost completely fooled the entire public. Now the wheel has turned and some people are waking up to “Who is the real aggressor”. America should try the olive branch by bringing their troops home, but they can’t even begin to see the folly of their ways. DT

    • On January 5, 2020 at 7:44 am,
      Ebolan says:

      I’d feel pretty good if a foreign government knocked off Pompeo or Bolton.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 8:00 am,
        Ebolan says:

        Here’s Pompeo in his own words, admitting to criminal activity in your name, with your tax dollars. And he’s laughing about it and bragging about it…calls it glory.


        And of course, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. He and his ilk have been murdering people all over the globe for decades with your tax dollars and in your name.

        They are murderers, pure and simple, no one can deny it and if they do they are brainwashed sheeple.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 10:33 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Some just do not get it, YET……….hope they wake up…….

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:46 am,
      Big Al says:

      It is very difficult, if not impossible, not to agree with you comment, Mr. Tracy.

      Aren’t we living in a wonderful world?

  17. On January 5, 2020 at 8:20 am,
    cfs says:

    Don’t you guys realize the very ACT OF SOLEIMANI ENTERING IRAQ creates a difference in the situation? The U.S. was tracking and monitoring his communications….That is how they new which cars to hit with a drone strike after all.
    If the U.S. had any intelligence that Soleimani was about to organize an attack on the U.S. (e.g. The U.S. Baghdad Embassy), that makes him A TOTALLY VALID TARGET.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 8:21 am,
      Ebolan says:

      All of this warmongering is costing the American taxpayers trillions.

      How much are YOU willing to pay for all this?

      • On January 5, 2020 at 8:22 am,
        Ebolan says:

        And are you willing to send your kids or grandkids off to kill and be killed for it all?

        • On January 5, 2020 at 8:40 am,
          irishtony says:

          Nice to see you lost boys , back on the site….Hi Jerry…Hi Ebo.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 8:55 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Hello IRISH………
            Had to post today, ……There are really some LOST BALLS IN HIGH WEEDS ….lol

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:20 am,
            Ebolan says:

            Irish, I wish we were in a pub having a brew instead of arguing with fools!

    • On January 5, 2020 at 8:42 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      Would that still be true if the government just made it up?

      Would the assassination be worth the lives of 50 American kids?

      Would the assassination be worth the lives of 5,000 American kids?

      Would the assassination be worth the lives of 50 million American lives?

      What price are we willing to pay?

      If American troops weren’t in Iraq and Syria no one could kill them.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 8:57 am,
        cfs says:

        I don’t know the whole truth, Mr. Moriarty. I suspect neither do you.
        I do believe Soleimani was a major Quds officer and was responsible for IED use supply and use against U.S. troops.
        (Have you not previously complained that the U.S. doesn’t fight to win? Do you think Trump might be a different kind of President?)
        As I have stated, I do not have access to U.S. intelligence, do you know U.S. information given out so far is false?

        Is the assassination of Soleimani worth 50 American kids Probably not, but it just might have stopped the death of 50 American military personnel. Have you considered that possibility?
        The U.S. under Trump has repeatedly expressed its desire to withdraw forces from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, are you calling Trump a liar? What is your specific reason to believe Trump is not telling the truth? In my observation he is one of very few politicians that appears to do what he says (even if criticized as being blunt and abrasive) and keeps his promises (to the extent that he is able to).

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:16 am,
          Ebolan says:

          Is the assassination of Soleimani worth 50 American kids Probably not, but it just might have stopped the death of 50 American military personnel. Have you considered that possibility?

          So instead of assassinating some Iranian general lets bring the troops home. Save lives and besides in case you haven’t noticed Uncle Sucker is $21 trillion in debt with hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities. This country can’t afford all the warmongering. With your half-brain can’t you understand that?

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:22 am,
            Ebolan says:

            Sorry, it’s 22.7 trillion. I forgot the frugality of the District of Criminals! And that includes Orange Man, King of Debt!

        • On January 5, 2020 at 1:03 pm,
          b says:

          cfs”… are you calling Trump a liar? What is your specific reason to believe Trump is not telling the truth?…”

          When has the United States government told the truth about anything?

          President John F. Kennedy’s assassination?
          Robert Kennedy’s assassination?
          Martin Luther King’s assassination?
          The Gulf of Ton k in?
          The USS Liberty?
          Saddam Hussein’s “Weapons of Mass Destruction”?
          Assad’s Use of Chemical Weapons?
          Iranian nukes?
          The destruction of Libya and G a d d a f i?
          Russian invasion of Georgia?
          Russian invasion of Ukraine?
          Russia gate?
          Impeach gate?

          It is easy to add to this list.

          Trumps lies

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/10/14 › president-trump-has…
          President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims …
          Oct 14, 2019 – The report accurately captured the content of Trump’s call and many other … In fact, his most repeated claim — 218 times — is that his border …

          If you don’t like this one, there are many others to choose from.

          The question should not be what makes Bob believe Trump and the neocons are lying, but what makes you believe they are telling the truth?

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:40 am,
      g wiltek says:

      This is a new chapter in warfare by and large. If the us can target and hit individuals, so can others.
      If I was Iran, I would target persons responsible.

      Fancy a holiday in a Trump establishment??

      • On January 5, 2020 at 1:07 pm,
        b says:

        I heard a report that Iran is offering 80 million for Trumps head.
        Didnt say what currency tho.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 1:54 pm,
          cfs says:

          That was a while ago.
          I think it was just one way to thank Obama for his U.S. Dollars

          It was US $ 80 million…..not even cheap Canadian dollars.

          Maybe Trump just heard Soleimani was behind that !

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:07 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Please elaborate on this CFS as I could not find a source for the circumstances surrounding General S’s actions. I have to say that the plot really thickens if, in fact, he did fight other terrorists.

            Sorry but I am very confused right now!

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:49 am,
      Big Al says:

      I would like to see our country release that information if it does exist, CFS.

  18. On January 5, 2020 at 8:21 am,
    cfs says:

    oops…..new > knew

  19. On January 5, 2020 at 8:42 am,
    cfs says:

    Do you, ebolan, understand:
    1. what the U.S. and its allies would be like if the U.S. and its allies were incapable of defending themselves?
    2. I am NOT advocating war.
    3. The point I have been making regarding the preemptive strike on Soleimani, BECAUSE HE ENTERED IRAQ? His landing in Baghdad was a game-changer.
    4. U.S.action in assassinating Soleimani may have nothing to do with Israel, per se.
    (Just because he was killed could be independent of the U.S. support for its ally Israel, even though it probably helps Israel.
    (I,obviously do not have access to U.S. intelligence information, however, I am prepared to give my country the benefit of the doubt, even while I criticize its politicians over other facts.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 8:48 am,
      Ebolan says:

      Put your money where your mouth is. Write a nice big check to Uncle Sucker to pay for it all! You can make the check out to the US Treasury then post a link to an image of it on this blog. Or better yet, grab a rifle and get your ass to Iraq along with Jared, tout de suite!

      • On January 5, 2020 at 9:05 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        First clue……….the MIC……..and Congress ……has taken over……..

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:06 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Congress……is the WHORE…..

      • On January 5, 2020 at 10:59 am,
        Big Al says:

        Eddy, you seem like a decent person who totally disagrees with what is going on throughout the United States and the rest of the world. There is certainly nothing wrong with disagreement because that’s what we are all about.

        I am very sad that I cannot give cogent answers to any of the discussions we are commenting on here in our Forum. I do find that inability to be incredibly frustrating.

        I want to stress that I believe that there is some truth stated by almost all of you.

        That truth is expressed, for the most part, quite succinctly and I personally am very frustrated by the current situation as it makes me realize just how stupid most of the world is.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 11:20 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:


      You win wars by fighting only wars worth fighting. Any war worth winning is worth fighting. Any war not worth winning is not worth fighting.

      And after this latest stupidity the US will find we have no allies. The UK and Germany have already condemned the assassination. The UN has pointed out that it violates international law and just as a minor aside that no doubt no one will care about because no one gives a damn about US law, the use of assassination is forbidden by US law as well.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 11:59 am,
        cfs says:

        I agree with almost all you stated Mr. Moriarty.
        I cannot find a specific law yet forbidding assassination under these specific circumstances.
        I believe the location makes a substantial difference legally and technically.
        I would be most grateful if you could cite the specific part of US Code of which you claim Trump has violated. Thanks

  20. On January 5, 2020 at 8:46 am,
    irishtony says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:07 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:


      • On January 5, 2020 at 9:27 am,
        Dick Tracy says:

        Jerry, I’m glad to see you have been staying out of trouble, I wish I could say that for Irish. LOL! DT

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:32 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Hello Dick,
          Glad to have finished my jail time…….
          I notice the ratings were down, and thought I needed to kick off the New Year with a bit of spirit……….lol

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:39 am,
            Dick Tracy says:

            It’s the spirits that get a lot of folks in trouble, Guinness is a witches brew that’s why I drink Moosehead. Anyway, welcome back! LOL! DT

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:46 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Ha, Ha…….good one……I do like a dark brew….(sometimes)……lol

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:10 pm,
            b says:

            Good 2 c u back Jerry.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:37 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Thanks…….to all you guys…….
            Always glad to be missed……
            Appreciate all the work everyone puts in on a daily basis.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:45 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Many thanks for your efforts also, Jerry.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:54 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            You are welcome,OWL……and thanks for the platform…….to vent our thoughts……..

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:25 am,
      Ebolan says:

      I’ll bet my testicles our rulers will NOT take the hint!

    • On January 5, 2020 at 11:03 am,
      Big Al says:

      Yes, Mr. Irish, I know that the Irag government has condemned our action. Now, the big question is: “Where does the U.S. go from here?” The answer to me is “home” and I think that we should stay “home” until we are actually threatened.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 12:06 pm,
        cfs says:

        It is not clear to me the “condemning actions” of some in Iraq is as reported in U.S. media, Big Al.
        The situation is more complex and subtle than is reported as “America GO HOME.”

        • On January 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm,
          cfs says:

          You do realize that Soleimani was previous designated formally as a terrorist.
          You do realize Soleimani was leading a Hezbollah attack on September 27, in which an American died, which would also label him as an active combatant.
          Either or both designations probably alter whether legally his death is an assassination with legal sanctions under the law.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:18 pm,
            b says:

            CFS, you do realize that sanctioning Iraq and invading is a terrorist act dont you?
            Are you proud of the 500 thousand children we killed in Iraq or the people that did it?
            Did you clap for them and cry “thanks for your service?”

            Are you proud we follow the Yinon plan so obediently?
            or just that we make such wonderful dogs?

        • On January 5, 2020 at 1:10 pm,
          Big Al says:

          Maybe so CFS, but I simply take it as a simple fact.

  21. On January 5, 2020 at 9:09 am,
    g wiltek says:

    USA has no business in the ME. It really is as simple as that. And on top of it, USA has lied time and time again so whatever reasons they give for this attack cannot be believed, unless you are really brainwashed.
    The truth is that US is behaving as a world stage terrorist, The best funded, the best equipped and the deadliest terrorist on this planet of ours.
    I think this murder is a major mistake. I have no sympathy left for Trump or the government, including almost all of the opposition. (with two exceptions). They are simply a bunch of thugs. Sorry to say.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 9:18 am,
      Ebolan says:

      “…unless you are really brainwashed.”

      The people of this country are far more brainwashed then the people of the former Soviet Union. At least those people knew their government was a piece of sh*t and let it collapse.

      The people of this country are nearly as brainwashed as the people of Jonestown, Guyana.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 9:26 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Jimmy Jones was from Indiana……lol……

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:27 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          The Professor is from Indiana……lol
          oops…….so, am I…………lol

          • On January 5, 2020 at 9:29 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            One difference,…..my family is not…….lol

        • On January 5, 2020 at 9:28 am,
          Ebolan says:

          And they drank the kool aid…just like the Ameroconned Sheeple drinking that neocon kool aid.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 12:26 pm,
      Big Al says:

      G Wiltek,

      Please see my comment above to Irish Tony. After you read it, my frustration should show through to you.

  22. On January 5, 2020 at 9:16 am,
    cfs says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 12:29 pm,
      Big Al says:

      If that is the case, CFS

      • On January 5, 2020 at 12:46 pm,
        Big Al says:

        Here is a direct quote from The Wall Street Journal with today’s date:

        “Iraqi Parliament Votes in Favor of Expelling U.S. Troops
        Vote poses a pivotal test to American forces that have been instrumental in the defeat of Islamic State

        The Iraqi parliament on Sunday backed a resolution urging Prime Minister Adel-Abdul Mahdi to rescind Iraq’s invitation to U.S. forces. PHOTO: HANDOUT/REUTERS
        By Isabel Coles
        Updated Jan. 5, 2020 1:34 pm ET
        Iraq’s parliament voted Sunday to expel U.S. troops from the country, after the killing of an Iranian general put the country at the centre of an escalating conflict between its two key allies.

        The nonbinding resolution urges Prime Minister Adel-Abdul Mahdi to rescind the invitation for U.S. forces that Iraq called upon for help after Islamic State overran around one third of the country in 2014.

        Addressing the session before the vote, Mr. Abdul-Mahdi advised parliament to support the motion, saying that the two countries’ priorities had diverged and that the U.S. had violated Iraq’s sovereignty with the strikes targeting Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani and top Iraqi paramilitary commander Abu Mahdi al-Mohandes. Mr. Abdul-Mahdi resigned as prime minister last year and has since presided over a caretaker government, meaning the decision to evict U.S. troops might fall to his successor.

        Lawmakers during and after the session chanted: “Out, out, occupier! No, no to America! No, no to Israel!”

        Some politicians and analysts said that in order for foreign troops to be expelled from Iraq, a law would have to be presented by the prime minister or president and pass a first and second reading in parliament, at which point the U.S. would receive one year’s notice to depart. Because the current cabinet is in caretaker mode, it can’t initiate such legislation, those politicians said.

        What do you think will be the result of the vote in Iraq’s parliament? Join the conversation below.

        But others said this didn’t apply because the U.S. presence is based on an exchange of letters rather than a formal agreement. “In any case, the constitution, laws, processes have been ignored so many times before that it really doesn’t matter to focus on technicalities,” said Sajad Jiyad, managing director of Baghdad-based think tank Bayan Center. “It’s a case of will the government be bold enough to take the initiative, or does it want to draw this out and pass the buck around?”

        In television interviews that aired Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that Mr. Abdul-Mahdi was serving in only a temporary capacity, and was acting under the influence of Iran.

        “He’s under enormous threats from the very Iranian leadership that…we are pushing back against,” Mr. Pompeo told Fox News Sunday. “We are confident that the Iraqi people want the United States to continue to be there to fight the counterterror campaign.”

        Abbas Kadhim, director of the Iraq initiative at the Atlantic Council, said the vote is very significant in terms of both symbolism and substance. “According to the U.S.-Iraqi agreements, it can take up to a year to fully dissolve the engagement, but given the circumstances, the process will be significantly quicker, if not immediate,” he said.

        The U.S. strike in Baghdad that killed the Iranian and Iraqi commanders as they left Baghdad International airport has brought into the open a long-simmering confrontation between the U.S. and Iran and weighed on ties between Baghdad and Washington.

        Though it has no legal force, the vote casts further doubt on the future of the U.S. troop presence in Iraq and the continuing campaign against Islamic State at a time when the militants are seeking to regroup after being defeated militarily.

        Threats to the U.S. presence in Iraq have already undermined that campaign.

        The U.S.-led coalition on Sunday said it had paused the training of Iraqi security forces and support for Iraqi operations against Islamic State as it braced for new attacks in the wake of Gen. Soleimani’s killing.

        Iran’s vow to retaliate for the killing of Gen. Soleimani has stoked fears of wider conflict across the Middle East, where the slain commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards foreign wing cultivated a network of proxies that could be activated to strike U.S. interests.

        “Hard days and nights are awaiting them,” said Yahya Rahim-Safavi, former commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and senior adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in a speech quoted by state television. “The Americans must leave West Asia [the Middle East] in disgrace and defeat”.

        On Saturday, rockets landed near two Iraqi bases where U.S. forces are stationed, causing no casualties but serving as a reminder of the increasingly hostile climate for American troops. Kataib Hezbollah has given Iraqi security forces a deadline of Sunday evening to move at least one kilometer away from bases where American troops are stationed, urging military commanders not to allow their soldiers to serve as “human shields” for the U.S..

        The events have demonstrated the growing power of Iran-backed groups like Kataib Hezbollah, which Iraqi security forces have been unable to prevent firing rockets at bases housing U.S. troops.

        “We have increased security and defensive measures at the Iraqi bases that host anti-ISIS coalition troops,” read a statement from the U.S.-led coalition confirming Saturday’s attacks on Baghdad’s Green Zone and Balad air base, located about 40 miles north of the capital.


        Thousands March in Iraq for Iranian Commander Killed in U.S. Strike
        Trump Warns of Further Strikes If Iran Retaliates
        Pompeo Says Europe Should Rally to Support U.S. After Strike
        The U.S. has around 5,000 troops in Iraq as part of an international coalition that stayed on after Islamic State was defeated militarily to help prevent a resurgence of the group and to train Iraqi security forces.

        Shiite political leaders who control a majority of seats in the Iraqi parliament condemned the killing of Gen. Soleimani as a violation of sovereignty, but some also have misgivings about the growing dominance of Iran-backed factions and see Washington as a necessary counterweight to Tehran’s influence.

        Along with many Kurdish and Sunni lawmakers, they worry that a withdrawal of U.S. troops would enable a resurgence of Islamic State and lead to Iraq’s isolation. Most Kurdish and Sunni lawmakers boycotted Sunday’s parliament session despite threats from the Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah militia, which had ordered all members of parliament to attend. The only representative of the Kurdish political parties was the parliament’s second deputy speaker. Even so, the quorum of 166 was reached.

        Of the 167 lawmakers present in the 328-member parliament, all voted in favor of the motion, according to parliament member Mohammed Taqi Amerli.

        “The next step is for us as the parliament is to monitor how the government implements this bill,” said lawmaker Mohammed Shoya al-Sudani, adding that it must begin immediately.

        Get a daily, guided tour of the best scoops and stories in The Wall Street Journal. Sign up for The 10-Point newsletter.

        Other pro-Iranian lawmakers said their next move would be to shut down the U.S. embassy.

        Iraq’s Foreign Ministry summoned U.S. Ambassador Matthew Tueller on Sunday, denouncing the U.S. attack as a violation of the coalition’s mission to fight Islamic State and train Iraqi security forces in coordination with Baghdad.

        Earlier, national security adviser Robert O’Brien said the U.S. would be “very disappointed” if the Iraqi parliament were to make a decision opposing the U.S. presence. “We’ve invested a lot in the future of Iraq and the friendship that we have with the Iraqi people, so we’re looking forward and hopeful that we’ll have a good relationship with Iraq going forward,” he said.

        A senior State Department official said the U.S. had been working with its allies in Iraq to prevent the vote taking place, characterizing the killing of Gen. Soleimani as supporting the sovereignty of Iraq against Iran.

        The Iraqi government faced a choice, the official said, as to “whether they want to be an Iranian satellite state or whether they want to be a sovereign nation-state of good standing in the international community.”

        Tensions between the U.S. and Iran escalated sharply after American officials blamed Kataib Hezbollah for a rocket attack that killed an American contractor. The U.S. struck back at the militia, killing more than two dozen of its members in multiple airstrikes near the Iraq-Syria border.

        Supporters of Kataib Hezbollah and other Iran-backed groups then stormed the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, prompting the U.S. to send military reinforcements.

        U.S. officials said the strike on Gen. Soleimani was part of attempts to deter imminent attacks against American personnel in the region. The architect of deadly Iranian shadow wars throughout the Middle East oversaw a campaign that killed hundreds of U.S. and coalition soldiers in Iraq following the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

        In his address to parliament on Sunday, Mr. Abdul-Mahdi said he had been due to meet Gen. Soleimani at 8:30 a.m. on the morning he was killed as he left Baghdad International airport. Mr. Abdul-Mahdi said Gen. Soleimani was carrying Iran’s response to a message Iraq had conveyed on behalf of Saudi Arabia aimed at easing tensions between the two countries in the region. The prime minister didn’t disclose the exact content of the message.

        President Trump on Saturday renewed threats to hit back at Iran “VERY FAST AND VERY HARD” in the event of further strikes targeting Americans or U.S. assets.

        Meanwhile, Mr. Mohandes’s body was flown to Iran with Gen. Soleimani’s corpse for DNA testing because their remains were mixed up by the force of the strike.

        —Dion Nissenbaum and Jessica Donati contributed to this article

        Big Al says: “This article proves to me that the U.S. simply must leave Iraq.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 12:54 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Never should have been there to begin with………..MIC in complete control.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 1:01 pm,
        cfs says:

        I always try to go to original sources as close as possible, as you know, I hope, bu now.
        Reporters, usual coming from humanities backgrounds tend to not be extremely careful about precise use of words.
        I don’t always get it right, but it appears to me Iraqi parliamentary action was more a knee-jerk reaction needed to not antagonize Iran, as much as it was to condemn the U.S.
        I suspect the long-term reaction might differ.
        I am not a Middle East expert, that’s for sure.
        But many copywriters are as dumb as rocks and report what they are told to report; as opposed to the truth.

  23. On January 5, 2020 at 9:24 am,
    cfs says:

    It is interesting to note that the wording of the resolution, as I read it in translation, appears to address Turkey equally with the U.S.
    I would note that the U.S. does not have forces sufficient to expel Turkish forces and I’m pretty sure Iraq does not either.
    I’m sure Turkey and Hezbollah will ignore the resolution. I don’t know about the U.S., but expect it to withdraw slowly, as it intended anyway.
    I wish Iraq luck at avoiding being conquered by Iran within a few decades.

  24. On January 5, 2020 at 9:43 am,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    This is all you need to know about the administration of the USA.
    Watch the cartoon………….

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:30 am,
      cfs says:

      That originated from Chris Martenson’s website: a site that has been calling for the collapse of the U.S. for 3 years, 4 years, ? Great insight and timing so far !

      I expect Iran to either attack a U.s. naval vessel, or a U.S. diplomat in a soft area. e.g. Europe.
      I do not expect a WW III.
      But what do I know?
      I do look at original sources as much as possible, not opinions (everyone has one), and use my own critical thinking.
      I try to have the courtesy to answer direct questions asked of me and am totally prepared to debate with logic.
      I simply ignore insults, as hurtful as they may be, because insults tend in my experience to be used when a person has lost objectivity and reason.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 10:36 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        I think you might have lost the idea………….
        How is the cartoon characters , any different to the present day characters at the WHITE HOUSE and Congress, MIC, CIA, FBI,IRS, FED……

        • On January 5, 2020 at 10:40 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:


          • On January 5, 2020 at 10:42 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            PS…….there is no insult here……Please do not distract others from the cartoon….thanks

          • On January 5, 2020 at 11:30 am,
            cfs says:

            OK, I watched the first half of the cartoon again, and have the same opinion.
            It was, indeed, relevant to the Founding Fathers in the way in which they set up the Constitution.
            The power of taxation is given to CONGRESS, not the President.
            The power to spend money is given to the HOUSE, not the President.

            I do not see the relevance re: Trump…..he is NOT handing out wealth to supporters.
            Perhaps the biggest relevance is where the cartoon advises a New Monarch to remove all key supporters of a previous regime from his new administration. Trump certainly failed to heed that advice.

            Were you aware Congress SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED the President to spend up to $150,000 in a one-off covert action?
            (I gave the citation in law for that a few days ago in this forum)
            I assume, but do not know, the President acted in killing Soleimani possibly under that authorization.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:02 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            The cartoon has a character……posing as the Money Man(Treasury/Banker)…..
            The Fake Fed…..is the money changer.
            Why, did TRUMP, pump up the military budget, why does he continue to allow the
            FAKE FED, to pump in more FAKE DEBT…..
            TRUMP…….handed out money via the increase in military spending to over $750BIllion.
            Since the inception of the CIA, rogue cia, the MIC has been in control…..the rogue CIA, has over 400 companies, running the USA, the middle class, is lost……..the Govt is blotted.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:12 pm,
            Big Al says:

            No question about it Jerry, the National Debt if increasing at a very rapid rate. That fact has significantly more negative implications than anything discussed here about General S.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:26 pm,
            cfs says:

            And who authorized the budget, which include some of Trump’s requests and denied others, OOTB ?

            It was CONGRESS, not the President.
            The President is not a monarch or a dictator, as much as you might wish to label him such.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:01 pm,
            Big Al says:

            He may not be a monarch or a dictator, but he certainly is a forceful individual.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            The cartoon clearly……..shows………all need to cooperate, in order to get what EACH WANTS……..Trump is part of the con….
            Until I see the arrest ……..and the END OF THE FED……..nothing will change.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:55 pm,
            b says:

            The americans and Israel have been supporting isis from its beginning as well as al qaeda and their allies.

            I have shown more evidence than I can recall here. Always ignored I got tired of doing so.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:22 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Ditto b……..agree ….sometimes you wonder……I am hoping some people that do not post , but, read catch on……

        • On January 5, 2020 at 12:44 pm,
          cfs says:

          Let’s examine Trump’s motivation for killing Soleimani…..

          Do you really think Trump wants to start a war ?

          Or Do you think Trump wanted to eliminate a thorn in the side of Lebanon, Syria, Israel and Iraq, and American ground troops ?

          (We reportedly have proof of Soleimani’s led terrorist acts in all the countries above.)
          The timing was caused by the opportunity, in my opinion.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:46 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Side distraction………….JMO
            Three Thousand more troops to the Front………..MORE MONEY FOR THE MIC

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:52 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Impossible to disagree with you, Jerry!

          • On January 5, 2020 at 12:55 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Please reply with source of the proof that we have of Soleimani’s led terrorist acts in all the countries above”

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:22 pm,
            b says:

            Soleimani fought ISIS and AL Qaeda etc

            That alone made him an enemy of the U.S. its vassals and Israel.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 1:53 pm,
            Big Al says:

            This quote represents verification to your statement: Soleimani was the face of armed resistance against ISIS in Iraq and Syria and contributed in a big way in defeating ISIS, said an expert wishing to go anonymous. Last year Soleimani had also slammed Pakistan for its failure to control terror groups on its soil that targeted Iranian Revolutionary Guards group.

            Read more at:

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:00 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Really puts a different slant on this doesn’t it b!

          • On January 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm,
            b says:

            The americans and Israel have been supporting isis from its beginning as well as al qaeda and their allies.

            I have shown more evidence than I can recall here. Always ignored I got tired of doing so.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 12:43 pm,
        Big Al says:

        I completely agree with your comment as explained in the final paragraph.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 10:55 am,
      Ebolan says:

      9:38 “Corruption is not some kind of petty crime but rather a tool of power in democracies and dictatorships.”

      Wish the sheeple would learn this!

  25. On January 5, 2020 at 12:24 pm,
    Chartster says:

    Why does the fed not have oversight of the banks? Why does the treasury have oversight of the banks now? Why is the treasury controlling the repo market? The fed has to fund the banks bonds. Does the fed control monetary policy? No]
    The fed is done. Most just don’t know it, yet.
    Most think the repo operation is QE, cause they have no clue of what QE or the repo actually is.

    Trump has spent over 2 trillion on national defense using fiat currency. If / when we go to the gold standard, that debt will be off-set. Now wouldn’t that be brilliant!? (Yeup)

    • On January 5, 2020 at 12:42 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      The Fake Fed. has control of the banks and the money , …through FRAUD….I think the Frank Dodd Act did away with the oversight of the FED. (heard that within the last month)
      The Treasury is part of the FRAUD…..who is the Treasury Sec. ,…part of the Cabal.
      The Fake Fed……has to fund the bonds, of overspending of inflation cause since 1913 Act.
      The bonds are being bought back, after a few days to avoid the legal obligation, through a middle man, marking up the bonds…..read this at zerohedge last week.,

      • On January 5, 2020 at 12:50 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Where is the Audit…….where is the Accounting ……..how about Fasbe 56……

      • On January 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Where is the Audit…….Where is the accounting……..How about Fasbe 56…….

    • On January 5, 2020 at 1:02 pm,
      Big Al says:

      The FED definitely had control over the Bank of which I served on the Board of Directors for over twenty years!

      • On January 5, 2020 at 1:19 pm,
        Chartster says:

        Key word, Al. (had)

  26. On January 5, 2020 at 12:59 pm,
    Chartster says:

    The fed is done. They have zero control of anything.
    There has been massive cleanup at the treasury. Indictments, arrests and firings galore.
    Mnuchin knows many facets of finance and markets. He’s qualified for the job for sure. I think he’s doing the right thing, but you never know because of some of his past dealings.
    I guess time will tell. But for now, he’s doing a good job.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 1:08 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Where is the clean up info to be found?
      …….concerning the indictments, and arrest and firings galore…..
      I would like to read about it……..as always appreciate your info……

      • On January 5, 2020 at 3:59 pm,
        Chartster says:

        This girl on Twitter had a great thread with all the background info and things going on at the treasury. It was a few months ago when I read it. I have no idea where to find it. It was fascinating though. She did a great job!
        Made me feel better about Mnuchin.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 4:24 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          thanks for the followup………

    • On January 5, 2020 at 1:09 pm,
      cfs says:

      I agree with you Charster.

      I wish I knew whether we are in a deliberate calculation, however, to break the current monetary situation with defaults etc. or to force a change to gold or SDRs or cryptos, or whether they are just kicking the can for as long as possible to pass the mess to the next administration.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 2:19 pm,
      Matthew says:

      Chartster, the facts show that you are completely delusional. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Fed is “done” and has no control. And sorry, the $60 billion per month in Treasury purchases IS QE and it is pathetic that you only disagree because Trump is the POTUS and not Obama.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm,
        Chartster says:

        I know for a fact this is Not QE.
        QE was the takedown of the middle class in this country. It was a complete fraud and theft. I could explain it in great detail, but won’t.
        This ‘plumbing of the system’ is ..way different than you think.

        I’m a huge Trump supporter because he is the best president this country has ever seen.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 3:06 pm,
          Matthew says:

          No, you can’t explain in great detail because you are 100% wrong. Conjuring “money” out of thin air to buy treasuries is QE by definition as it suppresses interest rates and puts new money into the system thereby robbing society, especially savers.
          Stop with your mind-boggling imbecility already.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 3:45 pm,
            Chartster says:

            I can tell you are clueless to what QE was then, and what’s going on right now. But that’s ok, your a good resource investor. So you got that going for you (which is nice).

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:21 pm,
            Matthew says:

            Wrong again. You obviously don’t have significant assets invested for income because you’d probably get it if you did.
            The stock market has risen in lockstep with the Fed’s steeply growing balance sheet and that should be all you need to know.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:24 pm,
            Matthew says:

            Ok, here it is again because my comment is “in moderation” limbo:

            Your comment is awaiting moderation.
            Wrong again. You obviously don’t have significant assets invested for income because you’d probably get it if you did.
            The stock market has risen in lockstep with the Fed’s steeply growing balance sheet and that should be all you need to know.

        • On January 5, 2020 at 3:11 pm,
          Matthew says:

          Your terrible track record on gold is consistent with your fairy tale beliefs.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:08 pm,
            Glenfidish says:


            Are you able to pull up the call by character in $600/800 gold back 6/8 plus years ago! The guy was totally off and was instrumental in scaring many investors here along with bird.

            Character you hold no credibility in my books.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:09 pm,
            Glenfisish says:

            I meant charster

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:18 pm,
            Matthew says:

            No, I don’t have that call of his but I remember it. Don’t forget that Doc was also calling for much lower gold right at the bear market lows (along with many others). He said it would be range bound from $950 to $1100 for 2016 and in January ’16, was sure that it would not be materially higher by May (it went $200 higher).
            On January 13, 2016 at 11:27 am,
            RICHARD (DOC) says:
            Ronnie, time will tell. I do know that by May we won’t be much higher then we are now.

          • On January 5, 2020 at 4:32 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Old Bird……was calling for $690 or $680, before he flew the coop….
            I will always remember him when I told him about the Monsanto scam, and the gmo bean.
            and he said no way, that he knew for a fact, I was wrong……NOT…..lol

  27. On January 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm,
    cfs says:
  28. On January 5, 2020 at 3:04 pm,
    cfs says:
  29. On January 5, 2020 at 3:07 pm,
    cfs says:

    Interesting (or not)

    Coming out of UK…..
    Suggestion that most probable retaliation by Trump, if necessary, against Iranian retaliation will be a hit on Iran oil refineries.
    (To further cripple Iranian economy)

  30. On January 5, 2020 at 3:15 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Gold blasting off………….$1576…………..hello…….
    How about some more QE not…….lol

  31. On January 5, 2020 at 3:25 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:
    • On January 5, 2020 at 4:59 pm,
      John Kruschke says:

      Hi Jerry.
      Good to see you back.

      • On January 5, 2020 at 5:02 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Hello John…………Thanks……appreciate …….Hope all has been well with you….
        Glad to see you are still around…..

  32. On January 5, 2020 at 3:48 pm,
    BDC says:

    Iran and honest Americans have a common enemy: the U.S. Government.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 4:37 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      ditto…….sad but, true…….
      it is worst than most can imagine….

    • On January 5, 2020 at 6:19 pm,
      cfs says:

      The best government is least Government.

      However, a Government is created by the people and permitted to continue to protect the god-given rights and freedoms of the citizens.
      It is our fault that through personal greed we allow the government to become corrupt and we tolerate the corruption.
      For years, Governments have bought votes using the citizens own money by redistribution of wealth through taxation.
      For years the rich have bought politicians and gained favors in return, and we have tolerated it.
      who is to blame ? Look in the mirror.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 9:52 am,
        BDC says:

        Oy Vey !!

  33. On January 5, 2020 at 4:21 pm,
    cfs says:

    We can attack the White House itself, we can respond to them on the American soil. We have the power, and God willing we will respond in an appropriate time,” MP Abolfazl Abutorabi said on Sunday, according to Iranian news agency ILNA.

  34. On January 5, 2020 at 4:23 pm,
    cfs says:

    We can attack the White House itself, we can respond to them on the American soil. We have the power, and God willing we will respond in an appropriate time,”said Iranian MP Abolfazl Abutorabi, according to Iranian news agency ILNA.

  35. On January 5, 2020 at 5:00 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Gregg M……..Sunday Night pre market………

  36. On January 5, 2020 at 5:40 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Webb……….for those who want more info. on Iran………and the corrupt cia.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 5:59 pm,
      Ozibatla says:

      Rumours are swirling that Iran has put an $80million bounty on Trumps head. Things are escalating quickly here. Im not suggesting we sit on the precipice of a major conflict…Yet! But there is some real concern to come out of these developments. The flight to safety in gold is a good indicator of current sentiment around the world at present.

    • On January 5, 2020 at 8:06 pm,
      Ebolan says:

      Why isn’t CFS following this Webb stuff?

      • On January 6, 2020 at 7:11 am,
        irishtony says:

        EBO….Because cfs doe’s not like the truth , backed up by facts , it interferes with his agenda.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 8:05 pm,
        cfs says:

        Webb is long on opinion; short on provable facts.

        He uses guilt by association, not evidence.

        He uses innuendo, not substantive proof of anything.

  37. On January 5, 2020 at 6:41 pm,
    cfs says:

    At therisk of some Anti-Semitic or anti-Christian rant, this PDF is the logic or stated justification for pre-emptive strikes:


  38. On January 5, 2020 at 6:49 pm,
    cfs says:

    This is the relevant Article of the United Nations:


  39. On January 5, 2020 at 6:52 pm,
    cfs says:

    I have not found anything in the U.S. Code that prohibits Trump’s actions (of course, subject to interpretation.) and I assume, by virtue of his silence, the intelligent Mr. Moriarty has not either.

  40. On January 5, 2020 at 7:15 pm,
    cfs says:

    Contrary to statements made in this blog, the repo situation had been ameliorating since year’s end,
    however, it would not surprise me if the Middle East unrest sparks an increasing repo problem.

  41. On January 5, 2020 at 8:45 pm,
    Chartster says:

    I wonder if Jim has a comment about this Mind-Blowing article.


    • On January 6, 2020 at 11:58 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      GREAT ARTICLE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 12:00 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        January 5, 2020

        Trump Gambit To Destroy Saudi Arabia Sees Iran Raising Blood Red Shiite Battle Flag For First Time Since Middle Ages

        • On January 6, 2020 at 12:01 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          According to this report, yesterday the Ministry exhaustively explained that the over 1,300-year-old conflict existing between Muslim peoples and the West is based on the Islamic division of the entire world into two separate and distinct parts–Dar al-Islam, for the Muslim peoples–and Dar al-Harb for everyone else whom must be forced into submission—a division of the world corrupted by the Sunni monarchy of Saudi Arabia when they betrayed Islam by willfully becoming a part of what is known as the US Petrodollar System—a system mandating that oil can only be bought with US Dollars and enforced with American military power—the catastrophic consequences of which has cost millions of lives—most particularly over the past nearly 20-years when Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela were all attacked by the US and its Western allies and brutalized because they all refused to take US Dollars for their oil—otherwise known as Petrodollar Warfare.

  42. On January 5, 2020 at 8:56 pm,
    b says:

    This is a good one for the brainwashed to ignore.
    For everyone else its nice to see this kind of vid coming out.


    What you’re not being told about the conflict with Iran…

    • On January 6, 2020 at 7:06 am,
      irishtony says:

      b…..Fantastic link…..Cary Wedler…Sure knows how to drop a truth bomb…
      Perhaps Trump should try it sometime………….Fat F#CKING CHANCE.

  43. On January 6, 2020 at 3:48 am,
    Miklo says:

    Bob, I think its quite meaningless to address CFS on important issues.
    Every time you or Matthew write something he dodges the questions or statements, he never answers them. That is an old suppression technique. He throws a lot of garbage in the air and hope it sticks. Either that or he is extremely uninformed/has an wicked agenda.
    Of course you are absolutely right about the controllers. Everyone who denies that is either a sheep, stupid or a stooge.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 6:40 am,
      irishtony says:

      Miklo….You are bang on about cfs, when things get too hot for him, he then started dropping lots of links , which are normally off topic , in otherwords he tries to change the subject . It would appear that Big Al fawns over him , not sure why maybe its because he has managed to pull the wool over his eyes . I believe most on her see right through him….also is some entidy paying him to spend so much time on here defending Isreal & the Jews ?…………..who knows.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 7:52 am,
        cfs says:

        You are mistaken, as usual. Irish. I actually have a life and am not always on line.
        No one pays me anything except U.S. social security.

        THe spelling is “entity”, perhaps you could put me into touch with one such.

  44. On January 6, 2020 at 4:11 am,
    Mark Matia says:

    Jim McKinney’s discourse on Iran’s threats toward Israel are really silly and shows just how blind americans are when it comes to the military and foreign policy. Israel is Iran’s enemy and bellicose talk always emanates between enemies – didn’t threaten North Korea and others in similar manner? The US military is the supreme bully of the world and especially the middle east. The US military has destroyed Iraq and other countries in that region and when there is push back our military and politicians declare the perpetrators to be terrorist and condemn them as butchers. What’s the body count of civilians in Iraq? Remember the wicked witch Albright stating on TV that the death of as many as 500,000 children in Iraq was “worth it”?

    Wow the US military can kill with impunity but anyone that resists is a butcher!

    • On January 6, 2020 at 6:48 am,
      irishtony says:

      Mark M…..The milatery brainwashing …with Jim …is very strong.
      Iran is only the enemy…Because Isreal say’s so…..Their Yinon plan is not working out as planed…It died with Syria…………..Screw them.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 7:37 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        I was going to add some to your comments…..but, I have already been long winded on this blog the last few days…….. 🙂

  45. On January 6, 2020 at 7:28 am,
    mark matia says:

    I agree Irish, the members of the US military for the most part are brainwashed and those that can see the truth are probably afraid to speak out for fear of being demonized. Trump declared he was going wipe North Korea off the map but when our enemies speak with military bravado they are immediately denounced as terrorists. This is obvious to see for people with eyes to see.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 7:35 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:


    • On January 6, 2020 at 8:33 am,
      Jim M says:

      Wouldn’t it be nice if the world was so black and white. Sitting behind a computer in a safe place, one can say anything about anyone.

      I am amazed at the comments of this site, the lack of objectivity, the lack of civility, and the hate against people who have different views or experiences. Sad, really, that so many intelligent people can be so blinded by their own bias.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 9:20 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Can’t say anything Jimmy, or you might wind up in KerJail………. 🙂

        • On January 6, 2020 at 9:26 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Jimmy , there are a lot of kind and giving people on this site…..you just have not been here long enough to find that out. Most people who have been here for a long time, like to hold people accountable for info. Most are looking to make money, and find out the truth concerning the world around us. When the fakes are found out, or something does not jive, there are inquiry. And of course , not everyone see things the same way…..JMO

          • On January 6, 2020 at 9:31 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            there is not are……..see to sees

          • On January 6, 2020 at 9:38 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            How about giving us your take on the CIA……..

        • On January 6, 2020 at 9:56 am,
          b says:

          Dont see getting anything other than pro Israel warmongering Neocon Zionism from Jimmy Jerry.

          • On January 6, 2020 at 10:05 am,
            Matthew says:

            Major General Smedley Butler and General Patton both found out that the military is no place for critical thinkers.

          • On January 6, 2020 at 10:12 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Ditto, and double ditto…………….. 🙂

          • On January 6, 2020 at 11:01 am,
            b says:

            When I did a short time in the army I was 100% brainwashed, so much so the guys said so on a regular basis.
            I was 18 yo, so I understand this brainwash, (a little bit) it took years to over come it.
            I can understand how some people never would.

            Those people are so gung ho they are blind to their evil.
            Feel sorry for those that wake up, as we know, dealing with it can cause some people to kill themselves from it.
            Hard for a decent person to live with it when/ if their eyes open.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 10:21 am,
        irishtony says:

        TUT-TUT…Mr Mc Kinney shame on you .
        You & the Frieda woman took part in this podcast & then 243 comments in , you decide to make a comment , & Fredia made none . You & fredia SHOULD have had the decency to reply to some of the very good comments that were made after listening to you , Al & Freda…….Al on the other hand took part in the debate…Well done Al.
        Al.. perhaps in the future you should ask your guests to show respect to the many people who post comments under the podcasts…to at least address some of the comments.

  46. On January 6, 2020 at 7:46 am,
    cfs says:
  47. On January 6, 2020 at 10:39 am,
    irishtony says:

    I SHALL POST THIS AGAIN….This is what i wrote 10 minutes ago it went to the moderator & was taking down.
    TUT-TUT …Mr mc Kinney…243 comments in & you decide to comment . The comments on here were in reply to a podsast , that Al , You , & Freda took part in . We on here took the time to listen to said postcast , & then took the time to comment . You & Frieda , on the otherhand did not have the common curtisy to reply to any of those comments…..Shame on the pair of you.
    Al..On the otherhand addressed a lot of the comments…Thank You AL.
    AL…Perhaps in the future you would ask you Guests to reply to some of the comments made by people on this blog…..

    • On January 6, 2020 at 10:43 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      I bet you do not get a comment……from any of the three……… 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • On January 6, 2020 at 11:20 am,
        irishtony says:

        Hi Jerry….I just had to put that up there.

        • On January 6, 2020 at 11:25 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Hello Irish……….I agree with you……my friend….
          Check out the first three min. of Webb below…..

          • On January 6, 2020 at 11:26 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            This backs up your statement below……..

  48. On January 6, 2020 at 10:52 am,
    cfs says:


    In my experience there is a reason some bias may be better described as “blind prejudice”.
    Ignorant people can be enlightened; but people with blind prejudice simply have closed minds, or is it closed simple minds.

    If they can’t see Soleimani was a “bad” guy, a really bad guy, they are, indeed, blind.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 11:02 am,
      irishtony says:

      cfs…….He was no worse…Than the Neocons in the US.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 11:22 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      You only see what is above the water line………….

  49. On January 6, 2020 at 1:28 pm,
    b says:

    cfs”… are you calling Trump a liar? What is your specific reason to believe Trump is not telling the truth?…”

    When has the United States government told the truth about anything?

    President John F. Kennedy’s assassination?
    Robert Kennedy’s assassination?
    Martin Luther King’s assassination?
    The Gulf of Ton k in?
    The USS Liberty?
    Saddam Hussein’s “Weapons of Mass Destruction”?
    Assad’s Use of Chemical Weapons?
    Iranian nukes?
    The destruction of Libya and G a d d a f i?
    Russian invasion of Georgia?
    Russian invasion of Ukraine?
    Russia gate?
    Impeach gate?

    It is easy to add to this list.

    Trumps lies

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/10/14 › president-trump-has…
    President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims …
    Oct 14, 2019 – The report accurately captured the content of Trump’s call and many other … In fact, his most repeated claim — 218 times — is that his border …

    If you don’t like this one, there are many others to choose from.

    The question should not be what makes Bob believe Trump and the neocons are lying, but what makes you believe they are telling the truth?

    Any response cfs?

    What makes you believe Trump is telling the truth, or the U.S. government?

    • On January 6, 2020 at 7:12 pm,
      cfs says:

      Why don’t you accuse Trump of Lincoln’s assassination?

      It makes as much sense as including the assassination of Kennedy.
      Or anything else that was on your list.

      The American government is not a monolithic immutable Government.
      Judge Trump by HIS WORDS, HIS ACTIONS.
      Don’t throw up straw men or try to use guilt by association, even most kids don’t fall for such puerile logic.

      • On January 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm,
        b says:

        Sounds like your miss reading again cfs.
        The question is when has the government told the truth?
        I point out the # of lies Trump has been telling.

        The question is, considering how often he is lying how can you know if he is telling the truth now?

        He, nobody has provided any evidence to show that he is.

        Looks like another false flag to create yet more war and since there is no advantage for the U.S., who might it be for?

  50. On January 6, 2020 at 5:23 pm,
    Jim M says:

    b, it’s not the “government”, it is the thousands of people that make up the “government” with all their personal opinions, variations of facts, political agendas, financial agendas, and a hungry media trying to capitalize on each of them.

    There is no one truth, just thousands of views – often driven by bias and lack of information.

    Trump is not the all seeing eye, nor was Obama – the differnece between the two, one want to get America back to some past place of power, the other wanted to give it away to a greater “global” good.

    Democracy is ugly, the alternative is what many think they want until they get it – a “Great Leader”, because power corrupts.

    I don’t want to get into discussions with those unwilling to listen – It is pretty easy to tell when I would be wasting my time.

    OOTB, As for the CIA – the most overrated organization in history – and – unchecked, and in the wrong hands, the most dangerous.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 7:23 pm,
      cfs says:

      I respectfully disagree Jim.
      There is absolute truth.
      Whether it is ever fully told or admitted is something different.
      We may never know the reasons behind actions or the feelings in the hearts of men,
      but those involved know why they are doing whatever they did.
      Mere observing mortals, like you or I, look at what is reported from many sources and use logic, hopefully without bias, to build up a best guess as to the truth.
      As more reported facts or observations come in, we make adjustments to our picture of the truth to make a best fit to all the accepted data.

      • On January 7, 2020 at 12:10 am,
        Jim M says:

        I agree there is absolute truth – my point was that no one in D.C. actually knows it all.

        And I agree more information, and an open mind, allows better choices.

  51. On January 6, 2020 at 5:31 pm,
    Jim M says:

    Clarification – Trumps wants to get America back to some former greatness and place of power; Obama and his intellectual elite believed America did not deserve to be in that place, and were handing it over to China and corporate globalists.

    Where do you align? I chose America. With all its faults, it has brought the world its greatest successes in human history.

    • On January 6, 2020 at 7:43 pm,
      cfs says:

      I align with no one.
      However, I will give my country, U.S. of A., the benefit of the doubt until reasonable evidence proves that would be a mistake.
      That is what I believe is correct Patriotism.
      Trump gets good benefit of the doubt from me at this point, because of his track record.
      He is outstanding in history compared to other Presidents in that he has actually kept as many of his promises as he was able.
      I do not agree with all his policies, but I am prepared to accept his faults (e.g. overspending) because I hope he might correct spending later.
      I keep a much closer watch on military technology than most on this blog
      and understand why he is creating a space force.
      I understand why he is increasing military capability, allowed to fall under Obama.
      I may not agree exactly with his choices, but I understand politics and having to grease he palms of influential politicians, and wheel and deal to actually get things done.
      I may not like that, and I may criticize, but I understand why he does things. (or keep on searching for answers until I do.)

      • On January 7, 2020 at 12:14 am,
        Jim M says:

        You can’t always get what you want, but if you try some time, you might just find, you get what you need.

        What Ann Coulter and some of the folks on this blog don’t get, it ain’t easy to run this big ‘ol mess of a country – but still, there is hope for a better future with the Constitution as a guide, and a fighter as a leader. Those old bald white guys were blessed by God.