Pretty typical reporting. As I told Tony, I will start reading The Russian Times as it has to be better than some of the hard core crap that other sites spew oiut that does nothing other than piss people off.

I will say CFS thatr you do back your submissions up with evidence and I certainly appriciate that a lot.

“We are barely at the start of the next ice age and it may not be obvious for decades.”
If we are at the start of the next ice age, what is causing it, and why is the average temperature of the earth warming and not cooling?

“Weather can happen quickly, but climate take decades to be obviously changing.”
Yes, people confuse climate and weather quite often.

“The only theories to correctly correlate with data involve the magnetic fields of the galaxy, sun , earth and other planets”
I disagree. The average temperature of the earth very clearly correlates to the CO2 concentration the atmosphere. I realize that correlation is not causation, but we have a lot of logical chemistry to explain why it does.

“Probably the first observable significant change will beflow changes in the Northern Atlantic.
This change, however, will have little to do with CO2, but solar radiation jmpacting polar temperatures.”

One thing that indicates the Sun is not causing global warming is looking at the amount of solar energy that hits the top of the atmosphere. Since 1978, scientists have been tracking this and there has been no upward trend in the amount of solar energy reaching our planet. If the Sun were responsible for global warming, we would expect to see warming throughout all layers of the atmosphere, but what we actually see is warming at the surface and cooling in the stratosphere. This is consistent with the warming being caused by a buildup of heat-trapping gases near Earth’s surface.

The data from nasa can be found here.

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/

“Other observable changes will probably be ozone decreasing concentrations in the upper atmosphere; again due to solar radiation, not fluorocarbons.”

What would cause the ozone to deplete?

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-ballot-harvesting-probe-starts-some-critical-election-evidence

https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/07/joe-bidens-outrageous-dishonest-anniversary-speech/

The polling results were so successful after senile Joe’s recent speech, that Nancy gave the go-ahead for a state-of-the-union speech on 3/1/22…….Joe’s fist.

Well, happy New Year, b…and here’s what some of the criminals have in store for us…

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-more-aggressive-israel-lobby-is-coming-in-2022/

Yupper EB,

The U.S. is dominated by christians and warmongers, both bend over backwards for Israel.

Europe shows signs of getting tired of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians but the americans are far from concerned.

Cant see the corruption ending any time soon.
I recently read an article of the corruption in the navy, horrendous, explains vessels like the Zumwalt class and Ford.

Ex, have you read the Kennedy book?

No, but I’m aware of it, and have seen segments of it highlighted, as well as seen him outline many points in interviews he’s done. Of course he was immediately attacked and the ad hominem smear campaigns began before he even released it. Such is the state of modern day shoot-the-messenger, rather than debate the merits of the points made, that is the new normal in public discourse.

Even though it’s 480 pages it’s well worth reading even if you only read part of it. (Plus, it’s only 2.99 for the electronic version.)

Page after page of mind blowing outrages that are very well documented. The medical industry, pharma and government corruption and their evil will bend your mind. This book should start a revolution.

Anecdotes are funny, and unreliable. The chicken pox vaccine is over 90% effective at preventing chicken pox. Assuming you are in the US. There are between 3 and 4 million cases every year in the US, 90% of which occur in young children. This means that 400 000 US citizens over the age of 4 contract chicken pox.

How many US citizens are there? The chances that two fully vaccinated adults in the same household would both contract chicken pox is so astronomically small. You should buy a lotto ticket.

As for the Covid vaccine, it too is not 100% effective at preventing infection, however it has proved to be very effective at preventing death and severe disease.

Of course holding something to a 100% effectiveness standard is ridiculous. Almost nothing in life is 100% effective. Seatbelts, helmets, condoms, car seats, and parachutes, but most of us would probably still use these things despite that fact.

There was only a .06% chance of dying from Covid prior to anyone getting vaccinated which is a very small chance, and mostly limited to high-risk individuals. Said another way, people already had a 99% chance of living even if contracting covid = no reason to shut down businesses, schools, and society. The numbers for those in a car accident are nowhere even close to that survival rate, so the comparisons to seat belts are as much apples and oranges as they are ridiculous.
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The vaccines are sooo far from 100% effective in stopping both the spread of covid and the contraction of Covid that it would be laughable if it wasn’t the reason people are being blocked from entering buildings or losing their jobs over. Nobody expects perfection, but it’s not even close… by a landslide. For Omicron the last stat I saw was 30% effective. That is not remotely worth taking on the risks of all the well-documented health issues that arise from the vaccines themselves, especially in those under 70 and with low morbidity rates.
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If it is so damn good and effective, then why do the vaccinated care if there are some that are still unvaccinated?
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If it is so damn good then why are outbreaks surging in places (like the 100% vaccinated cruise ships and nursing homes as an example, where you completely missed the point). The point being that even if the whole planet got vaccinated tomorrow, it would not stop the spread of covid, or even slow it down much. It is definitely not worth the draconian measures we are seeing governments around the world implement, or the hypocritical prejudiced response to unvaccinated and creating 2 classes of citizens (something we heard all summer of 2020 these people were supposedly against).
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The stats in both the UK and Israel (both highly vaccinated populations) show overflowing numbers in hospital emergency rooms clearly show higher percentages of vaxxed (in every age group) with covid than with unvaxxed (counter to the disinformation about it being primarily unvaxxed in the US and Canada). If there was honest reporting in North America, and if there hadn’t been 2 years of censorship, deplatforming, and silenced doctors, nurses, scientists, and individuals all under the pretext that any dissenting view is “misinformation” then maybe there would be more sanity and less fear porn around the reported cases (which are problematic for many other reasons and how hospitalizations “with covid” or deaths “with covid” are reported in the first place). This completely warped statistical blundering of how many covid numbers there are, and the squashing of any dissent or evidence-based research stating otherwise is all conducted by Big Tech/Big Pharma/and Big Government because inconvenient truths may lead to the ultimate cardinal sin of people having legitimate “informed consent” and weighing the risks…cough (I mean the terrible sin of “vaccine hesitancy” – we simply can’t abide by that now can we?) Meanwhile, we hear straight up lies that the vaccines are both “Safe” (oh really) and “effective” (ooooh really??). 😉
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It is sad that the prevailing political narrative is to violate individual liberties and take away freedom of choice when it is clearly not stopping the spread, infection of covid, or even hospitalization, despite the warped and massaged numbers paraded around as factual “news” in North America. What happened to all those vocal and idealistic pink-hatted #MyBodyMyChoice freedom fighters demanding the government stay out of their lives and bodies, when it is every bit as germane to not having their
body autonomy infringed by an authoritarian government on this area? Crickets from their defenders when the government overreach doesn’t fit their narrative. Tragic comedy.
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Conversely, there is hardly any sincere reporting as to the dangers and mountain of evidence piling up on vaccines or remdisivir. Simultaneously actually safe and effective therapies like monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, hydroxychlorquine are squashed as “disformation” and reporting is incredibly skewed and disingenuous. The dangers to youth of getting the vaccines far outweigh any slight edge they may provide in staving off death for something they already have more than a 99% of surviving. In addition, studies show the risks are 4-5 fold higher for those that already have natural antibodies and then get the jab, but to publish those studies is heresy against the new mainstream vaccine religious fervor, and thus grounds for deletion and cancel culture.
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People should have the choice to take whatever steps they wish, but government mandates for vaccines with their own glaring health risks and that are only mildly effective at best is government overreach and illegal. If people are so bulletproof with vaccines then they should not be concerned about those that are not. It’s that simple.

Walensky Dodges on How Many U.S. Covid Deaths Are Actually Caused by Covid
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Caroline Downey – Sun, January 9, 2022
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“During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, CDC director Rochelle Walensky failed to clarify how many of the 836,000 U.S. patients whose deaths were attributed to Covid in the last two years had underlying medical conditions.”

“How many of the 836,000 deaths in the U.S. linked to Covid are from Covid or how many are with Covid but they had other co-morbidities. Do you have that breakdown?” anchor Bret Baier asked.

“Throughout the pandemic, public-health officials have harped on the alarming fatality rate of the virus but have not clarified whether Covid death record-keeping reflects accompanying risk factors that may have been present in victims.”

“Walensky’s lack of awareness of the specifics of the Covid death breakdown is consequential because Democratic governors and politicians have used the argument of the virus’s lethality to justify sweeping social restrictions and with them the erosion of civil liberties. A higher count of people who died with Covid rather than as a result of it could suggest that blanket policies were and are improper for addressing the pandemic, given that those afflicted by other illnesses may be disproportionately affected over otherwise healthy individuals.”
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/walensky-dodges-many-u-covid-171416244.html

Latest UKHSA report shows Vaccinated accounted for 82% of Covid-19 Deaths & 65% of Hospitalizations in England over the past 4 weeks
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The Expose’ on October 22, 2021
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“The ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 42’ was published by the UK Health Security Agency (formerly Public Health England) on Thursday, 21st October 2021 and it shows that the vast majority of Covid-19 hospitalisations between September 20th and October 17th were among the fully vaccinated population.”
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https://tinyurl.com/2e732tfu

A Look Inside Israel’s Recent Coronavirus Outbreak
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By Aspen Pflughoeft – Jul 20, 2021
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“The first country to reach vaccine herd immunity has seen a recent rise in cases among vaccinated people.”
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“Israel — the poster child for COVID-19 vaccination and the first country to reach herd immunity — has seen a recent rise in cases. Recently, most of the people testing positive are vaccinated, reported The Washington Post.”
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“The trend has brought a slew of questions about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines and the implications of new strains for future outbreaks.”
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“Countries with high vaccination will see mostly vaccinated people getting ill from COVID,” wrote Arieh Kovler, a political analyst, on Hat Tip.
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“The people who are not testing positive in the current outbreak are those who have had COVID-19 previously and recovered.”
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https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people

Dangers Of Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination
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October 5, 2021
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“The world is indebted to Whitney for producing the evidence that inoculation with mRNA injection brings high risk of health injury and death. ”

“The governments that encourage and coerce Covid inoculation are mass murderers who should be tried and executed for their crimes against humanity,” writes Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, a leading American political economist, author and regular contributor to The Herland Report.

“We are seeing a level of malevolence that we haven’t seen in the history of humanity!” Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Author of The Zelenko “Early Treatment” Protocol that saved thousands of Covid-19 patients.

Did the regulators at the FDA know that all previous coronavirus vaccines had failed in animal trials and that the vaccinated animals became either severely ill or died?

Yes, they did.

Did they know that previous coronavirus vaccines had a tendency to “enhance the infection” and “make the disease worse”?

Yes.

Did Dr Anthony Fauci know that coronavirus vaccines had repeatedly failed and increased the severity of the infection?

Yes, he did. (See here: Fauci on ADE)

Did the drug companies conduct any animal trials prior to the FDA’s approval that would have convinced a reasonable person that the vaccines were safe to use on humans?

No, they didn’t.

Did they complete long-term clinical trials to establish whether the vaccines were safe?

No, there were no long-term clinical trials.

Did they conduct any bio-distribution studies that showed where the substance in the injection goes in the body?

They did, but the data was not made available to the public.

Do the contents of the vaccine largely collect in various organs and in the lining of the vascular system?

Yes, they do.

Do large amounts of the substance accumulate in the ovaries?

Yes.

Dangers of Covid-19 mRNA vaccination: Will this effect female fertility and a woman’s ability to safely bring a baby to term?

The drug companies are currently researching this. The results are unknown.

Does the vaccine enter the bloodstream and collect in the lining of the blood vessels forcing the cells to produce the spike protein?

Yes.

Is the spike protein a “biologically active” pathogen?

It is.

Does the spike protein cause blood clots and leaky blood vessels in a large percentage of the people that are vaccinated?

It does, although the blood clots are mostly microscopic and appear in the capillaries. Only a small percentage of vaccinees get strokes or suffer cardiac arrest.

Should people be made aware of these possible bad outcomes before they agree to get vaccinated? (“Informed consent”)

Yes.

Did the FDA know that Pfizer had “identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease, including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease, as an important potential risk”?

Yes, they did, but they did not demand that Pfizer fix the problem. Here’s more:

“The FDA noted that Pfizer, “identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease, including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease, as an important potential risk”.

The EMA similarly acknowledged that “vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease” was “an important potential risk… that may be specific to vaccination for COVID- 19”.

Why neither regulator sought to exclude such dangers prior to emergency use authorization is an open question that all doctors and patients are entitled to ask.

Dangers of Covid-19 mRNA vaccination: Why medical regulators failed to investigate the finding that large vaccine particles cross blood vessel walls, entering the bloodstream and posing risks of blood clotting and leaky vessels is yet another open question again.” (“Open Letter to the EMA and European Parliament”, Doctors for Covid Ethics)

Did the drug companies vaccinate the people in the placebo group after the clinical trials in order to conceal the difference in the long-term health outcomes between the two groups?

That is the conclusion a rational person would make.

So, they nuked the trials?

Yes.

Did the FDA largely shrug-off its regulatory duties and abandon its normal standards and protocols because

a– It wanted to rush the Covid vaccines into service as rapidly as possible?
b– It knew the Covid-19 vaccine would never meet long-term safety standards?

We don’t know yet, but the adverse events report strongly suggests that the Covid-19 vaccine is hands-down the most dangerous vaccine in history.

Is the FDA rushing the “boosters” without proper testing?

Yes, it is. Here’s a clip from author Alex Berenson’s latest at Substack:

“Pfizer basically hasn’t bothered to test the booster AT ALL in the people actually at risk – it conducted a single “Phase 1” trial that covered 12 people over 65. The main Phase 2/3 booster trial (beware efforts to cover multiple “phases” of drug research at once, you want it bad you get it bad) included no one over 55.

No one.

As in NONE.” (“Are you kidding me, Pfizer, volume 1 gazillion”, Alex Berenson, Substack)

Have the boosters been modified or improved to meet the changes in Delta variant?

No.

Is there any additional risk in taking a booster-shot after already taking two experimental gene-based vaccines in less than a year?

Considerable risk. Here’s more from the Doctors for Covid Ethics:

“Given that booster shots repeatedly boost the immune response to the spike protein, they will progressively boost self-to-self immune attack, including boosting complement-mediated damage to vessel walls.

Clinically speaking, the greater the vessel leakage and clotting that subsequently occurs, the more likely that organs supplied by the affected blood flow will sustain damage.

From stroke to heart attack to brain vein thrombosis, the symptoms can range from death to headaches, nausea and vomiting, all of which heavily populate adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines.

As well as damage from leakage and clotting alone, it is additionally possible that the vaccine itself may leak into surrounding organs and tissues. Should this take place, the cells of those organs will themselves begin to produce spike protein, and will come under attack in the same way as the vessel walls.

Damage to major organs such as the lungs, ovaries, placenta and heart can be expected ensue, with increasing severity and frequency as booster shots are rolled out.” (“Open Letter to the EMA and European Parliament“, Doctors for Covid Ethics)

So, it’s the double-whammy. On the one hand, the booster will perform largely like the original vaccine, penetrating cells and forcing them to produce spike protein which, in turn, generates blood clots and leaky blood vessels.

And, on the other, the newly-produced S proteins trigger a damaging immune response in which the complement system attacks and destroys the cells that line the inside of the blood vessels.

Every additional booster will intensify this process weakening the vascular system and increasing the clotting. If the Doctors are correct in their analysis, then we could see a sharp uptick in all-cause mortality in the heavily-vaccinated countries in less than a year. Cardiac arrests are already rising.

Here’s another question that’s worth mulling over: Was there any reason for the regulators at the FDA to think that these problems would not arise following the launching of the vaccine campaign?

No. They should have known there would be problems as soon as they saw that the vaccine did not stay in the shoulder as it was supposed to.

Dangers of Covid-19 mRNA vaccination: The vaccine wasn’t supposed to enter the bloodstream and spread across the body leaving billions of spike proteins in its wake. (The spike protein is a cytotoxin, a cell killer. It is not an appropriate antigen for stimulating an immune response. It is a potentially-lethal pathogen that poses a threat to one’s health even if it is separated from the virus.)

Nor was the vaccine supposed to trigger Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE) which is the condition we hinted at above when referring to “vaccine-associated enhanced disease”. Here’s a brief explanation:

“ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not.”

“Similarly, mice who were immunized with one of four different SARS-CoV vaccines showed histopathological changes in the lungs with eosinophil infiltration after being challenged with SARS-CoV virus. This did not occur in the controls that had not been vaccinated. A similar problem occurred in the development of a vaccine for FIPV, which is a feline coronavirus.” (“Is the Coronavirus Vaccine a Ticking-Time Bomb?”, Science with Dr. Doug)
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https://christianitytruthcom.wordpress.com/2021/10/05/dangers-of-covid-19-mrna-vaccination-a-must-read-article/

Heart inflammation in teenagers, young adults may be a possible side effect of mRNA COVID-19 vaccination
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by Jahnavi Sarma – HealthSite.com – May 24, 2021
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“There have been varied reports of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines since countries across the world started mass inoculation of citizens. Till now, blood clots that are the apparent side effects of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been widely reported. Of course, minor side effects are expected, and experts have also said so. But there have also been severe reactions to COVID-19 vaccines, some of them fatal. Now, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is investigating reports of heart inflammation in teenagers and young adults after taking mRNA vaccinations against the COVID-19 disease. ”
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https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/heart-inflammation-in-teenagers-young-adults-may-be-a-possible-side-effect-of-mrna-covid-19-vaccination-815364/

Data: Covid Vaccines Cause More Covid Cases per Million and More Deaths per Million
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By Steve MacDonald – January 9, 2022
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“Hat tip to Steve Kirsch for the headline and the links. He has shared a report that looked at COVID cases in 145 countries, including the United States, and The Jab™ did not fare well if the point was to reduce infections, spread, and death.”
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“The statistically significant and overwhelmingly positive causal impact after vaccine deployment on the dependent variables total deaths and total cases per million should be highly worrisome for policy makers. They indicate a marked increase in both COVID-19 related cases and death due directly to a vaccine deployment that was originally sold to the public as the “key to gain back our freedoms.”
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Local vaccine clinics at public schools in New Hampshire are bypassing or ignoring not just complete informed consent before administering an experimental drug but bypassing state privacy laws.

From local pundits to Health Officials, to Governors, members of Congress, and the President, falls and misleading information has resulted in millions of injection without proper informed consent. As Mr. Kirsch notes as well, they lied. “The vaccines are making this worse, not better. This is why we are not getting ourselves out of the hole.”

“And the White House has just announced that they are changing their messaging. It will no longer be their policy to beat COVID. They now plan to sell the idea that we have to live with it. I take that to mean they know the promise to beat it was never realistic and that the ongoing failure of their plan is bad for them politically.”

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https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/01/data-covid-vaccines-cause-more-covid-cases-per-million-and-more-deaths-per-million

Worldwide Bayesian Causal Impact Analysis of Vaccine Administration on Deaths and Cases Associated with COVID-19: A BigData Analysis of 145 Countries A Preprint
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Kyle A. Beattie – November 15, 2021
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“Policy makers and mainstream news anchors have promised the public that the COVID19 vaccine rollout worldwide would reduce symptoms, and thereby cases and deaths associated with COVID-19. While this vaccine rollout is still in progress, there is a large amount of public data available that permits an analysis of the effect of the vaccine rollout on COVID-19 related cases and deaths. Has this public policy treatment produced the desired effect?”
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“Results indicate that the treatment (vaccine administration) has a strong and statistically
significant propensity to causally increase the values in either y1 or y2 over and above
what would have been expected with no treatment.”
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https://tinyurl.com/2fbhjh7c

President Biden: “If you are fully vaccinated, you no longer need to wear a mask.”
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CSPAN – May 13, 2021
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“I want to be clear about the CDC is say…. The CDC has concluded that fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting Covid-19. Therefore if you are fully vaccinated, you no longer need to wear a mask.” – President Biden
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https://youtu.be/4SkzTa8HRDk

Passengers Test Positive For COVID On Fully-vaxxed Royal Caribbean Cruise
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By Mark Lungariello – June 10, 2021
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https://nypost.com/2021/06/10/passengers-test-positive-for-covid-on-fully-vaxxed-ship/

Nursing home reports Covid outbreak among ‘fully vaccinated residents and staff’
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Irish Times – Wed, Sep 1, 2021 Liam Cosgrave
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“Laurel Lodge in Longford town suspended visits after ‘14 to 15 cases’ cases detected.”

“A spokesperson for the privately run facility confirmed the outbreak this afternoon and said all necessary public health protocols were being taken.”

“They confirmed all of the cases identified were among residents and staff who are fully vaccinated.”
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nursing-home-reports-covid-outbreak-among-fully-vaccinated-residents-and-staff-1.4662128

CDC Data on Covid Vaccines: Over a Million Adverse Reactions, 21,000+ Deaths
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Thursday, January 06, 2022
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y Infowars.com Thursday, January 06, 2022
Adverse reactions to Covid-19 vaccines have officially topped 1 million cases, according to CDC data which also reports over 21,000 deaths.

“Additionally, the data, compiled for the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, revealed over 3,400 miscarriages by pregnant women and over 35,000 people permanently disabled.”

“Furthermore, over 110,000 people ended up in the hospital due to their adverse reactions to the shots.”

“The data was updated on Dec. 24. Reports to VAERS are voluntary, meaning that there’s likely far more unreported cases.”

“Which leads to this question: Why is the federal government pushing Covid-19 vaccines so hard given the number of adverse reactions, deaths and miscarriages reported above?”
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https://www.newswars.com/cdc-data-on-covid-vaccines-over-a-million-adverse-reactions-21000-deaths/

PART 2: Dr. Peter McCullough on Omicron Realities and VAERS Reports on Vaccine Injuries and Deaths
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American Thought Leaders – Jan Jekielek
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“Previously, in part one of our interview with Dr. Peter McCullough, an internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist, we discussed the full body of evidence on COVID-19 treatment, including a preventative method that may have stamped out COVID-19 in Bangladesh. McCullough was the principal author of the first paper on early COVID-19 outpatient treatment involving multidrug regimens.”

“Now in part two of our interview [Part 1 can be found HERE], we discuss Omicron, why asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly rare, and what McCullough is seeing in the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). How accurate is the VAERS system and how many reports of injury or death are directly attributable to the COVID-19 vaccines?”
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-peter-mccullough-on-omicron-realities-and-vaers-reports-on-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths_4188071.html

I cannot reply for some reason to your several comments so I have to reply here. I see you’re a “copy and paste info spammer”. I find this to typically be a bit of an underhanded way to have a conversation with someone but none the less I will address some of your points.

“There was only a .06% chance of dying from Covid prior to anyone getting vaccinated”

Now first you should clarify here is you are talking about your absolute risk or the risk of dying after contracting Covid. This is an important distinction. If you’re talking the case fatality rate, it will of course depend on when you look this up but you said prior to vaccines, and at that point it was right around 2%, in the very beginning it was higher since doctors didn’t have much information on how to treat it.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Now, let’s go with 1% just to give you the benefit of the doubt and make the math easier. If you were boarding a plane and you knew that for certain 2-3 people would die during the flight, should you consider that acceptable? It’s only 1% after all.

“which is a very small chance, and mostly limited to high-risk individuals.”

Yes, small risk, but humans are really bad at assessing risk typically. Also, saying that those who are dying are “high-risk” is just another way to say that you do not value the lives of people over a certain age, or with certain medical conditions. I find that repugnant personally, but I suppose you’re welcome to your own opinions. I hope you remember how you feel now when you reach a “certain age”.

“Said another way, people already had a 99% chance of living even if contracting covid = no reason to shut down businesses, schools, and society.”

If you’ll read back on my original comment I didn’t actually say anything about shutting anything down. I commented on your exceedingly unlikely to have actually occurred chicken pox anecdote.

Again with the 99% thing. You sure do seem to like to downplay the value of human life. 1% of the US population is about 3 million people. None of them matter though if their old or have a health condition right?

“The numbers for those in a car accident are nowhere even close to that survival rate, so the comparisons to seat belts are as much apples and oranges as they are ridiculous.”

What numbers? The absolute risk from dying in a car crash is about 1%.

Funnily enough, you increase your chances of surviving a car accident by about 50% if you wear a seatbelt and only about 90% of people do. Those numbers sound familiar. I’m sure the 10% that don’t wear seatbelts feel happier because they have their freedom right? Can’t tell them what to do.

“The vaccines are sooo far from 100% effective in stopping both the spread of covid and the contraction of Covid that it would be laughable if it wasn’t the reason people are being blocked from entering buildings or losing their jobs over.”

Again, I never commented on this. We were talking about a chicken pox vaccine and herd immunity and now you’ve gone down this rabbit hole. Why? Are you triggered?

I find this virtual verbal diarrhea to be tiresome. One cannot present tens of different arguments that each would be worthy of a lengthy discussion one after another. It’s a lazy way to try and feel superior. I do not have time to talk about vaccine mandates another time. It seems we have somewhat opposing views.

“Nobody expects perfection, but it’s not even close… by a landslide.”

Apparently you do.

“For Omicron the last stat I saw was 30% effective.”

30% at preventing infection or 30% at preventing severe disease, or 30% at preventing death? You need to quantify your statistics here and when you do it’s a really good idea to acknowledging the fact that the data we see to far is preliminary. It is unethical and disingenuous to draw a conclusion so early.

The vaccines have been shown to be highly effective against severe disease and death. Though the omicron variant so far appears less fatal than the initial strain and delta it is still preventing severe disease and death.

Let’s take the plane analogy. You’re getting on the plane and you are offered something that with give you 30% protection against being one of the 2 or 3 dead on that flight. You taking it or no?

“That is not remotely worth taking on the risks of all the well-documented health issues that arise from the vaccines themselves, especially in those under 70 and with low morbidity rates.”

There are absolutely no “well documented” health risks associated with the vaccines, and in any case, you are not quantifying that risk. There are risks every time you eat a meal but when we talk about risk we must quantify it otherwise it is meaningless. Again with the low morbidity rates thing. 1% isn’t that low. That’s 3 million US citizens.

“If it is so damn good and effective, then why do the vaccinated care if there are some that are still unvaccinated?”

Well for a number of reasons. These include the cost of their ventilators and other hospital care. The fact that they are taking up beds in hospitals at the expense of others. The fact that the vaccines are not 100% effective and some people cannot be vaccinated. Additionally, they are variant factories. Viruses mutate in infected people. The more infected people the more it mutates.

“If it is so damn good then why are outbreaks surging in places (like the 100% vaccinated cruise ships and nursing homes as an example, where you completely missed the point).”

Where did I completely miss the point? How many people died from Covid on those ships? How many people died on the first cruise ships with Covid at the beginning of the pandemic?

“The point being that even if the whole planet got vaccinated tomorrow, it would not stop the spread of covid, or even slow it down much.”

Actually it would.

“It is definitely not worth the draconian measures we are seeing governments around the world implement, or the hypocritical prejudiced response to unvaccinated and creating 2 classes of citizens (something we heard all summer of 2020 these people were supposedly against).”

Again, this is another topic. I’d like to stay on topic if possible.
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“The stats in both the UK and Israel (both highly vaccinated populations) show overflowing numbers in hospital emergency rooms clearly show higher percentages of vaxxed (in every age group) with covid than with unvaxxed (counter to the disinformation about it being primarily unvaxxed in the US and Canada).”

This is evidence that you have been tricked by statistical manipulation unfortunately. Sorry to say it. Im not going to go through all the numbers with you because I simply don’t have the time right now but I’ll give you the big clue you need to look for. You have to consider the percentage of the population that is hospitalized first. If the majority of the population is vaccinated and the numbers of people in the hospital are the same (since I know you love percentages so much) calculate the percentage of the vaccinated population in hospital and then compare that to that number to the percentage of unvaccinated people in the hospital. Further, it’s a good idea to consider that age is a risk factor for Covid and as such, the oldest are typically vaccinated at a higher rate than younger people and unfortunately the elderly are still more likely to need hospital care even if they are vaccinated. Looking at the average age of these two groups might also tell you something.

“If there was honest reporting in North America, and if there hadn’t been 2 years of censorship, deplatforming, and silenced doctors, nurses, scientists, and individuals all under the pretext that any dissenting view is “misinformation” then maybe there would be more sanity and less fear porn around the reported cases (which are problematic for many other reasons and how hospitalizations “with covid” or deaths “with covid” are reported in the first place).”

Sorry but I don’t have time to entertain some of this. You made a bunch of claims here with nothing to back them up. I don’t subscribe to the “global depopulation conspiracy” crap and again that’s a completely different topic. Also, you seem okay to rely on the percentages presented above so…

“This completely warped statistical blundering of how many covid numbers there are, and the squashing of any dissent or evidence-based research stating otherwise is all conducted by Big Tech/Big Pharma/and Big Government because inconvenient truths may lead to the ultimate cardinal sin of people having legitimate “informed consent” and weighing the risks…cough (I mean the terrible sin of “vaccine hesitancy” – we simply can’t abide by that now can we?) Meanwhile, we hear straight up lies that the vaccines are both “Safe” (oh really) and “effective” (ooooh really??). 😉”

I find your use of statistical blundering ironic. And again I don’t care to debate the tin foil hat stuff at this point. It’s good to stay on topic during a conversation when possible.

“It is sad that the prevailing political narrative is to violate individual liberties and take away freedom of choice when it is clearly not stopping the spread, infection of covid, or even hospitalization, despite the warped and massaged numbers paraded around as factual “news” in North America. What happened to all those vocal and idealistic pink-hatted #MyBodyMyChoice freedom fighters demanding the government stay out of their lives and bodies, when it is every bit as germane to not having their
body autonomy infringed by an authoritarian government on this area?”

Ohh I would love to explain to you why this is not even close to the same thing. Again, though that’s not the topic today is it?

“Crickets from their defenders when the government overreach doesn’t fit their narrative. Tragic comedy.”

You get crickets because it’s not even remotely close to an accurate comparison.
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“Conversely, there is hardly any sincere reporting as to the dangers and mountain of evidence piling up on vaccines or remdisivir. Simultaneously actually safe and effective therapies like monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, hydroxychlorquine are squashed as “disformation” and reporting is incredibly skewed and disingenuous. The dangers to youth of getting the vaccines far outweigh any slight edge they may provide in staving off death for something they already have more than a 99% of surviving. In addition, studies show the risks are 4-5 fold higher for those that already have natural antibodies and then get the jab, but to publish those studies is heresy against the new mainstream vaccine religious fervor, and thus grounds for deletion and cancel culture.”

Again, off topic. Something for another day perhaps.
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“People should have the choice to take whatever steps they wish, but government mandates for vaccines with their own glaring health risks and that are only mildly effective at best is government overreach and illegal. If people are so bulletproof with vaccines then they should not be concerned about those that are not. It’s that simple.”

This is classic regurgitated anti-vax propaganda with so many unsubstantiated claims in one sentence. I see how anti-vax folks do this on the regular.

I welcome a productive and respectful debate with you in the future if you can stay on topic.

1) I wasn’t spamming and provided plenty of statistical based evidence in the links provided (which I wouldn’t have even posted if you hadn’t kept pressing the issue.
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2) Who are you to decide what is “on topic” and off topic. It’s pretty telling that you conveniently side-stepped a number of the points raised, but felt like reposting them, and saying they weren’t on topic (your opinion, and your’s only). In addition, some of the articles and links provided presented plenty of logic, data, and info but you were too lazy to read, or too quick to dismiss info that didn’t fit your narrative. Hilarious that you cherry picked what you felt the “topic” was… and was not. It’s a discussion, and if you really wanted to debate the merits of the points raised, you don’t just dismiss them as “anti-vax” “tin-foil hat” or “not on topic”. That is merely ad hominem attacks, ducking, and dodging, but thanks for offering nothing of substance back in your reply.
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3) Sorry, having body autonomy and the government not dictating what one can do with their own body is the exact same argument in #MyBodyMyChoice from a philosophical and individual liberties standpoint.

(and spare me the this choice is different in that it may affect the safety of others BS, as double-vaccinated and boosted people are clearly still spreading and contracting the virus, so that isn’t a logical rationale for it being different). With the Delta and Omicron variants, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus more so than the unvaxxed – as per the Dr. Peter McCullough interview shared for review [I mean “spammed” according to you] 😉 The point being this is every bit as much of #MyBodyMyChoice, and to state differently is the height of hypocrisy just because it conflicts with a competing mainstream nonsensical narrative.

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4) Again, the vaccines in people under 65 only give people a 1% edge over unvaccinated, so no logical reason to force mandates on most of the public. It should be an individuals choice, and if someone is vaccinated they should not be policing others to do the same as they have on their vaccine condom. Not to mention the vaccine mandates have been challenged and struck own repeatedly in court as unconstitutional. In addition, employers asking is a complete violation of HIPPA law which was all the rage on protecting personal medical information, but now employers are straight up asking for personal medical data. People that are OK with this intrusion into people’s medical information have violated that privacy and one of the main reasons for those confidentiality rules.
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It is sinister to force people to take an experimental therapy to keep their job, or to enter a restaurant, sporting event, concert, or venue. No government or medical body should be telling people what medical treatment they have to have with their own body period. It is each individual’s body, and each individual’s choice, and those #MyBodyMyChoice proponents for women’s reproductive rights, that feel this is different (when this is quite a bit more life-threatening and introducing the risk of death or injury from vaccines) is the height of hypocrisy.

There are now clear and documented health risks in over 1 million people injured, and estimates from several scientific and peer reviewed journals of around 180,000 deaths, as per the research Dr. Peter McCullough shared in the interview posted above (oh, I mean “spammed” – haha! whatever). People got out-raged at preventable school shootings, or a cop shooting one person, but where is the outrage on so many harmed shooting up “vaccines” that didn’t have near enough testing, have more injuries than all other 70 vaccines in the entire history of the VAERS system.
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Try listening to the full Peter McCullough interview and the information disseminated in his talk, and the other information shared, before responding back with your main stream fear-based “we’ve got to get everyone vaxxed, and if you don’t agree you’re a tin-foil hat anti-vaxxer” narrative and spam. I already told you I wasn’t an antivaxxer when my Chicken Pox vaccine failed to work as advertised, and I’ve had vaccinations for TB, Tetanus, and Measles. I’m not “anti-vax”, I’m anti “This Vax”. There is a clear difference for anyone with 2 brain-cells to rub together.

I took quite a lot of time to reply to all your points and now the comment doesn’t show. I’ll wait a while to see if it shows up. This site is really bad. Why doesn’t it function properly?

The site works fine and is working for everyone else just fine. If you don’t like this site, don’t like the information shared, and just want to whine and insult, then why not go to another site you like more? Pretty simple solution.

No. It doesn’t work for everyone obviously.

Are you insinuating that you don’t like my contributions? Maybe if I share more “natural news”? Hahahaha.

I guess I’ll respond again and hope it works this time.

Haha! Now you are the one in a tinfoil hat spinning conspiracy theories, but whatever… hopefully you can have a “breakthrough post” against all odds…. Haha! 😉
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It sucks doesn’t it when you have a complication with something everyone else says is fine….?

Now, where have I heard about that kind of problem before….. ? LOL!

If vaccines no longer are “effective at preventing transmission of the virus,” then vaccine mandates make no logical sense, and there should not be unconstitutional government overreach, nor should Biden be issuing executive orders forcing businesses to make sure their employees are vaccinated. Here’s a clue, the vaccines are not stopping the spread, so stop with the mandates, as they haven’t worked, aren’t achieving anything but creating two classes of citizens and hurting small businesses. Despite the virus and people’s reactions to it becoming politicized and a one-track solution being incredibly polarizing, it isn’t for the government or media or whining fear mongers to decide what every single person does with their own human bodies. It should ultimately be an individual’s choice in the medical treatment they seek. Period.

Ex, The vaccines contain part of the spike protein.
This part of the spike protein stimulates some specific antibodies that appear to half a half-life in blood of about 6 weeks. i.e. half have gone in 6 weeks.
This is why the vaccine is first given as two shots, and then needs boosting regularly.

Understood CFS, and those spike proteins introduced, and then reintroduced in follow up shots and boosters, only cause more damage in the human body, and that guarantees someone is exposed, where they may not be exposed at this point to Covid, and if so the natural immunity is more effective, and longer lasting. Also folks forcing other to get vaccinated that already have natural immunity are 4-5 times more likely to have a health complication with a jab or follow up jabs (as Dr Robert Malone clearly outlined in his recent interview on Rogan and backed it up with data).

So with all this as the backdrop, then why even force individuals to go there and take those kinds of health risks by putting in more spiked proteins? Mandate’s aside, for young people, an in particular teenage and early 20’s and 30’s men, have far more health risks, and are being put in far more danger with the vaccines than they are catching Covid-19.

It’s also all missing the glaringly obvious point that if the vaccines aren’t stopping the transmission of the new variants (like has been shown in both Delta and Omicron) then there is no point in forcing through the already illegal vaccine mandates.

The point of the decried mandates in businesses or college campuses, or anyone foisting a “mandate” on fellow citizens to get these experimental mRNA vaccines crammed into peoples bodies, is because they wanted to stop people from spreading to others, and that is not working. The whole boogeyman was that without vaccination, there would be a “pandemic of he unvaccinated” spreading to all the good people that were vaxxed. That has turned out to be complete horse dung, and vaccinated people are still spreading the virus like crazy, and make up 60-80% of the hospitalization cases in the UK and Israel as linked above, so it isn’t the unvaccinated clogging up the emergency rooms now.

The reality is that the vaccines may assist the elderly or other high health risk individuals is just fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s a one size fits all solution, and they should be the ones seeking protection. For everyone else with 99.4% chance of not dying, then the governments and Big Pharma and Big Tech that want to do their part out of “compassion to others” should have been more focus on therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, and treatments like monoclonal antibodies rather than running with the narrative that the only solution was 100% vaccination. If they had focused on therapies, Dr. Peter McCullough (an expert on the topic), believe there would have only been about 150,000 deaths versus 800,00 (even though the numbers paraded around as facts are quite flawed with all the ways other deaths were counted, as has been discussed and demonstrated on here many times).
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People need to stop conflating what may help the highest risk individuals in society, with the right path for the rest of society, and give up the insane breach of individual liberties that is the whole idea that the government can mandate this experimental health proceedure.

Great question: “When does the emergency end?”

It’s hilarious to ask these power hungry tyrants in power when they are going to give up their “emergency” powers… be it governors, the Sleepy Joe issuing executive orders, or in this case the gross overreach by OSHA in demanding that businesses mandate jabs or lose their livelihoods. [This of course, all while OSHA is allowing sick vaccinated worker, that are also spreading and contracting covid 19, to stay on board these companies] The hypocrisy and fear-porn emergency will never end as long as they can keep the sheeple transfixed in fear and trying to virtue-signal and self-police their neighbors and coworkers. This period of time will be looked back on in the future as a disgusting display of misused power and erosion of individual liberties.
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‘When Does The Emergency End?’: Amy Coney Barrett Grills Pro-Vaccine Mandate Biden Admin. Lawyer
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Forbes Breaking News – Jan 8, 2022
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“At a hearing yesterday, Justice Amy Coney Barrett questioned Elizabeth Prelogar, Solicitor General of the United States, who was arguing for OSHA’s vaccine mandate.”
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https://youtu.be/eGBxl2Fx14M

Then again, we do now have a new mutant big baddie to contend with… Deltacron… dunh duh duhn….
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Deltacron’ is a new strain of COVID-19 and not a lab error, Cypriot scientist says
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Bloomberg New – Georgios Georgiou – Jan 10, 2022 • 1 hour ago
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“Leonidos Kostrikis says the recombinant form of Delta and Omicron arose from ‘evolutionary pressure’. A Cypriot scientist has defended his discovery in 25 patients of a new strain of COVID-19 that combines characteristics of the Delta and Omicron variants.”

“The higher Deltacron infection rate among the patients hospitalized for COVID-19, compared with non-hospitalized patients, rules out the contamination hypothesis, said Kostrikis, a professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus and head of the Laboratory of Biotechnology and Molecular Virology.”
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https://nationalpost.com/news/world/deltacron-is-a-new-covid-19-strain-and-not-a-lab-error-cypriot-scientist-says

In my experience, most police officers in the U.S. carry guns.
Several weeks ago I posted in this forum the only (as far as I know) audio of the Babbit incident. It supposedly claimed a warning was audible. Despite listening repeatedly, I could not make out any warning.

What offensive weapons was Ashli Babbit carrying?

I thought she was completely unarmed. Right? Where is the outrage for the police offer killing an unarmed veteran? People got outraged for a number of felons and criminals in the midsts of crimes that were shot by officers and burned downtowns, looted totally unrelated businesses, burned down precincts, and committed plenty of violence in those people’s names.
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It is tragically funny how when it’s politically inconvenient all their altruism for victims of police violence and injustice goes right out the window… but not really surprising as hypocrisy is their default.

Ashli Babbitt was not part of “an armed mob”
FACT: The only persons charged among those arrested with a weapon offenses had pepper spray, and a flag pole.
I consider pepper spray, carried by women as a defensive weapon.
and the flag pole was a stick more than a pole.
From the Senate hearing:
During the hearing, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin asked Jill Sanborn, assistant director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, “How many firearms were confiscated in the Capitol or on Capitol grounds during that day?”
“To my knowledge, we have not recovered any on that day from any other arrests at the scene at this point,” Sanborn said. “But I don’t want to speak on behalf of Metro and Capitol Police.”

An article on the conservative website Gateway Pundit — which was cited on the website of conservative commentator David Harris Jr. — carried the headline: “Another Democrat-Media Narrative Goes Up in Flames: FBI Official Admits No Firearms Were Confiscated by Law Enforcement at Capitol Riot.”

It is my belief that at least one BLM member in the Capitol Grounds was shown on video with a firearm, but not arrested.
I also believe some of the 28 FBI operatives who entered the Capitol building were armed, but none were arrested.

I didnot answer before, because the “screaming death threats” facetiously made the uestion irrelevent.

If someone burst through my window, I would retreat into my hall.
, where my gun cabinet is in a coat closet, some 16′ from the living room . If forced to fire, my shotgun has buckshot in for pumping. My first shot would be to the lower body, not the head or neck. At 16′ the scatter pattern is almost the width of the hall, I have never owned a hand gun, but used to be fairly proficient on an M1A1 , a long time ago..
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She was part of an armed mob chanting death threats.

Pure bull sh*t. Take that lie somewhere else, buddy.