The Right to Bear Arms
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!979 deaths by guns
w.germany 42, sweden 21, switzeland 34, great britain 8, japan 48, canada 52, U.S.A. 10,728. no correlation to gun laws tho, lol.
I dont like the idea of people owning guns but sometimes I would like to own one myself, have never needed one tho.
In california, some polititians or mayors (san bernadino) have told their people to arm themselves and keep doors locked, no police to protect them, wonder how long till the military hit the streets.
benb….hello,,,,here is one for ya….1979 deaths in automobiles….52,093,now are we going to stop driving….lol….
Hi Jerry, I think the point of the #s I put up was that in countries with restricted fire arms the deaths by firearms are alot lower than the U.S. with the “right to bear arms”.
Automobile deaths will most likly be the same in every country with automobiles, but personally I could care less, I think eventually tho in the states people will need to carry weapons to keep themselves safe, in canada we dont need to do that. Maybe we should be.
With the police forces being laid off and lights going out I can see american cities getting very dangerous places to be, especially if enough people get hungry.
Not that I go to the states as I see it as a police state but if I did live there I would want to be armed to the teeth and my property protected in other ways as well, maybe depends where ya live tho.
Hello benb…..you know I was joking with you…..I agree, that the number of deaths by guns,,,is high in the usa…most likely,,,because we can still have guns….I would agree, some of the misfits should not have guns,
I think Dennis brought up a good point , concerning the constitution and the rights of the citizens to have guns equal to the govt, particularly with the present situation with the banksters, and the present and past admistrations since Eisenhower….
Do not be affraid to come to the USA…, there are some great places, which are safe, if you know were to go……and what to watch out for…..
Do you do any fishing up there….I have not been up to canada for several year, but, always had great luck in the fishing department…..
Hi Jerry, yes I see you joking sry to come across otherwise.
Rights are kinda funny, I think George Carlin is right, we have no rights other than “right this way” Personally, I dont like guns, people get hurt with them around,
but today, I figure any informed individual that believes in liberty should own one or two. Unfortunatly owning one isnt going to do any good, when “our owners” as George Carlin figured out we have and Jim Sinclair has now identified, to do whatever they please, us owning a gun isnt going to make 1 iota of differance. imo
I used to love going to the states, Vegas inparticular, I love good sinnin, good food alchol gamblin and women, the shows were pretty good too. but since I realised its a police state its forget it for me, altho I am probly kidding myself as Canada is most likly just a satalite now.
I used to fish alot when I lived on the coast but not any more, oceon is differant than lakes for me. Maybe some day.
John, it would be interesting to see snapshots in time of differant countries.
Great fishing in Canada, In the Box. Even I know that!
Guess why we live out in the “sticks” benb!
From Scientific American, http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=deaths-from-avoidable-medical-error-2009-08-10, “Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation.
So, are we to get rid of the doctors…
Great comment, Jeff S
Big Al
I wonder though…what would those statistics be for each respective nation at snapshots in time like 1850, 1900, 1950, 2000? (if they were available, which they almost certainly aren’t to the average person…perhaps national archives are published). My very subjective guess is the rate of deaths by guns has skyrocketed in the US in only the last 30 – 40 years. I could write a (dubious) thesis on it, but I think such a death toll is a reflection on the net effects of two or three generations’ worth taking less and less personal responsibility, in a society built on the premise that individuals would have to take responsibility, lest it all fall apart.
Still, the statistics are telling a story.
What I think is really a telling story is where gun violence is the highest and by whom!
Benb, in 1980, the U.S. had 24.6x the population of Sweden. So on a relative basis, there were 517 gun deaths there. To this day, Sweden has a high rate of gun ownership. In Switzerland, ALL males are REQUIRED to keep fully automatic firearms at home. With the exception of Japan, I think guns were still easily obtained in 1980 in the other countries you mentioned.
You are ignoring the socioeconomic drivers of crime. For instance, why is it that there is much more gun violence in cities with the strictest gun laws -like D.C.? In Wyoming, where everyone is armed to the teeth, gun crime is very, very low. I know that many will simply say that “an armed society is a polite society” but I don’t totally buy that either. In Wyoming there are a lot of hardworking, hard-drinking, low income people. One of the towns I lived in had a population of about 900 and 3 drive-through liquor stores. Altercations were fairly common, yet no one ever went for their guns. I think this is due mostly to the kind of values that are still taught at home there.
A couple years ago, I had access to detailed information about foreclosures nationwide (for just $600/year), and Wyoming had a tiny fraction of the numbers found nearly everywhere else -even per capita. If you were to subtract Denver/C.Springs, Colorado was very low too. What does this have to do with guns? Old time values. Invariably, it was metro-area collectivists who got in the most trouble financially. The people with the most “education” and highest pay made the dumbest, most irresponsible mistakes. Little do any of them realize, to this day, just how unsophisticated they were/are. They continue to look down their beaks at people who fared much better by exercising common sense and humbly living within their means. Yes, the government and the big banks dangled the carrot, but it was mostly city slickers who took the bait -the same segment that is much more likely to stick their nose in other people’s business and plead with their congress-critters to DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!! when something scares them. They are educated, but they know nothing. Oh yeah, and they want your guns. They do NOT believe in personal responsibility. Modern liberals are babies just looking to blame someone for anything that displeases them. They don’t care about physical laws, yet they claim to care so much about nature. They have no time for studying cause and effect. Nothing is ever their fault. Randy Marsh is typical…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpZbXjnx0U
I almost forgot, even temperature plays a role. It turns out, all the southernmost metro areas see a spike in violence each summer.
And finally, I would question the source of your numbers. They probably came from an entity that wants global disarmament. There’s a lot of cover to be found in cooked stats, just look at the inflation or employment numbers.
Hi mat, i got those #s from max kaiser site. maybe “cooked” i have no idea, i just think with more guns around there are more people killed with guns. just common sense to me. As I said I dont like guns really.. but sometimes they are needed of course. But even tho I dont like them I think people are going to need them, the american society is really close to falling apart or so it seems to me, I really would not want to be in california cities for example when the rest of the police are laid off.
Oh, just a comment about killings changing with the weather, probly changes during full moons too.
Isn’t it really sad where we have come to as a society, benb?
What a great comment, Matthew!
Thank you!!
Gun Town Georgia – in 1982 Kennesaw GA passed a law requiring a gun in every home.
NYTs and CNN predicted the ‘wild west comes to Georgia’ instead the town became Mayberry USA. Below is a link considering Kennesaw with an Illinois town which banned guns. Which town had a lower crime rate with rising population and which town had higher crime rate with a declining population.
If I was a criminal I would case a joint and look for the easiest target.
Maybe we should ban psychiatry and antidepressants.
http://voices.yahoo.com/firearm-ownership-mandatory-all-households-1418143.html?cat=17
when you go south….you know they are packing…..and I bet there are less deaths by guns in ga.sc,nc.fl.(north fl). than other parts in the north….
There are less psychiatrists in the south as well.
Years from now psychiatry will be seen similarly as we see the Medieval Barber today.
History is filled with people who are held in high esteem being discovered to be without merit. Today our problem is we give homage to people with a white coat stethoscope and/or diploma. In many instances they amount to a prestigious corner office occupied by an empty suit. Whatever happened to “first do no harm”?
There are less psychiatrist, because, they know everyone is crazy….., plus, they are not going to pay for something they already know…..(btw,,,I love the south) oh, I forgot to mention, besides , they are still fight the war,….it is just that the yankees ,don’t know it….
Dennis my man, have you been hitting the hooch again? Or did one of those bad ol’ psychiatrist types diagnose you nutso in the gutso way back when? I mean, come on what does psychiatrists have to do with civilian assault rifles in the household?
Read my comments on The Weekend Show.
That’s great!
My take: Guns dont kill people…people kill people. Each person has the ultimate responsibility to survey the surrounding around them (family, friends, situation, THEMSELVES – to determine if the environment is stable and conducive to have weapons around the premises AND that they are properly stored/secured to balance protection and safety. I have other safety measures in my home….I will leave it at that.
Big Al,
Try mixing crown royal maple with real maple syrup, brown sugar and orange marmelade. Use this to baste the ham during and after cooking. Your guests won’t care what the rest of the meal tastes like. Tried it once and it was great.
Regards.
Gator,
Be careful not to mix alcohol forums and gun forums.
Bad mix!
Crown Royal Maple is great, but a little sweet for me.
Hate to show my “street level taste in rye” but I really like Weisers Ten Year!
Cut and pasted from a back and forth on The Weekend Show which belongs here, to wit:
On December 16, 2012 at 11:51 am,
Dennis M. O’Neil says:
Constitutionally the Second amendment was more about the citizens’ aggregate protection against an oppressive government. It was less about home and personal defense than it was about the anticipation that governments tend to become oppressive and that the citizens needed a balancing recourse. In 1790s early America debated vigorously whether or not a national standing army would be allowed to remain. The Second Amendment was an allowance for a standing army to remain post Shay’s Rebellion. This was the context of the Jefferson quote so often referenced in this forum:
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
You then have to understand the army of the day had muskets and the farmers had muskets. The Second Amendment was one of the many checks and balances framers put in place to keep government in check. This was a day where self-defense was a given. People dueled to protect honor. There was no need to protect your right to hunt or carry a side arm as it was accepted a given like you had a right to breathe the air around you. It could be logically argued we have more of a right to a machine gun than we do a pistol. It may be counter-intuitive but it is true the Second Amendment was intended to keep government in check.
Stick with this AL……. a 1939 case about basically a sawed off shotgun:
United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) – The Court stated in part:
“In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.”
The court reasoned that if the shotgun was commonly used militarily it would have been afforded greater protection…..not less as popular opinion commonly believes. Constitutionally, it is correct to say that the more the weapon is commonly used in a military setting the more 2nd Amendment protection given to the citizen to own said weapon. We have more of a right to own a machine gun than we have a right to own a pea shooter.
I think our society needs to promote people who are hero’s, and heroines, somewhat like they did in the 1930’s, cartoon characters like “Little Orphan Annie, Flash Gordon, Jack Armstrong, Tarzan, Tom Mix, Buck Rogers, and yours truly DT.
It’s good for young people to see others who aid decent folk, and not glorify others who seek to destroy. DT
DT…..Great com men t………..Tom Mix….now, that is really old….
I agree Jerry…That was a great comment Mr. Tracy!!!
I am getting a bit overwhelmed with wizards, vampires and zombies.
I remember the movie Bonnie and Clyde was cutting edge because the viewer identified with the criminal and was directed to be sad when they met justice.
Today the identification with the deviant character is common place.
Mr. Tracy you made me think which my wife says is difficult to do.
DTand Dennis……today is the anniversary of THE BOSTON TEA PARTY….DEC.16,1773,
instead of tea….the dollars are being dumped……,
Exactly, Jerry…exactly..great comparison!
I like the idea DT, thing is kids see what going on, they are on the pewters regularly,
how do they know who to trust? firemen they can trust or ER people but police can be questionable, and governments? The sports guys end up being drugged etc,
hard to find heroes today. Ron Paul gets my vote and they shut him down pretty good. How many kids saw that? Not so easy growing up today maybe.
How would RP..look in a Batman cap and cape
That, benb, is a great comment! I agree completely with you.
Amen, Machine Gun, Amen!
How about the right to sell raw milk.
I am watching a streaming documentary on Netflix titled ‘Farmageddon’
As I began typing near the end of the flick Ron Paul appears giving insight.
When you go to select a movie sometimes you are pleasantly surprised.
Mr. OTB the participants in this film are the equivalent of Tea Party tea throwers.
The film makes the USDA look like what government is….unnecessary!
Thanks Dennis M, I will definitely watch this one.
What happened Friday was a wake-up call. Do we need more wake-up calls?
It is NOT guns that are killing innocent people — it is lunatics who are using them for evil purposes. Such people have been conditioned from cradle to grave to act violently (via television, video games, etc.) and so rather than banning guns, the powers that be should be banning violence in movies and video games for they are numbing society to carnage of all types. This is the clearest indicator to me that the entire gun grab is a scam — they [the powers that be] are not trying to get to the root of the problem (they are putting the proverbial bandage on a fatal wound).
bentnail…..the govt..does not want to get to the real issue,,,if it did it would expose them for what they are…..
Agree completely, Bentnail!
By the way, great to have you back!
Bill Hicks on Handguns Crime in America – Rodney King Trial (Video …
This is just to show another point of view, I tried to put up a link, its a short u tube.
Nice to see an example of a shooting spree ending sooner rather than later tho.