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Doc says the move today is simply a flesh wound for the gold market

April 15, 2014

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    PG
    Apr 15, 2014 15:04 AM

    Just an observation but here goes. I have been tracking Gold bullion for the past few years and Gold has been bottoming within one month on either side of a Majro Bradley Turn date. Next MBTD is July 16th, so expectation is that we see a bottom between Jue 16th – August 16th. I will keep using this method till it stops working.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:14 AM

    Silver is now at 19.50. This was the Doc’s target a week ago. Would like to get Doc’s forecast on this one now. If things have not changed silver should be due for a bounce.

      Apr 15, 2014 15:30 AM

      DGHH; in fact I mentioned that we would see that silver price almost 4-6 weeks ago. I also mentioned we would see the gold price down around $1660-$1670. I continue to believe that. As gold moves lower it should tend to drag silver down with it but I don’t see silver taking out its intraday low of $18.75 at the end of December, 2013. Now if gold really looks like it’s ready to fall off a cliff, then all bets are off—-I’ll be sure to mention that if my charts start to forecast that possibility. At he current time the charts are not forecasting that possibility. Hope that helps. I might mention that I bought SLV today—not investment advice.

        Apr 15, 2014 15:34 AM

        It appears we may have a little further move down in the next 2-3 days but then should get a bounce.

          Apr 15, 2014 15:24 PM

          Agree Richard. More downside ahead. The longs will get scattered like buckshot at stray cats.

        Apr 15, 2014 15:52 AM

        Do you mean 1260-70 for gold? I think you accidentally wrote 1670

          Apr 15, 2014 15:00 PM

          I stand corrected—-I guess I got a little exuberant there.

        Apr 15, 2014 15:54 AM

        Doc you better hope the lower trend line created off SLV’s June low and across the Dec-Jan-Feb lows which comes in around $18.60 holds! or that’s a technical breakdown with a close below, that trend line has held since June 2013…Good Luck!

          Apr 15, 2014 15:06 PM

          Original, you’re right on about that. I’m watching that closely. In fact, I mentioned recently that we have 3 major technicals coming into play the next 4-6 weeks +. 1. A longterm downtrend line that has been present for 11/2 years 2. A 50 week MA that is coming down to intersect pricing 3. A pennant formation we’ve been in since the fall of last year whose apex we’re fast approaching. What’s interesting is that I believe we have the middle of May to the end of May to establish our lows in the PM markets and that’s just where we’re approaching the 3 technicals I just mentioned. And then let the fire works begin on whether we break down or break up. My gut (not my technicals at this time) tells me we break to the upside. Here’s hoping.

            Apr 15, 2014 15:18 PM

            Good stuff Doc as I didn’t think you were going blind lol…yes keep an eye on that trend line.

            Doc there are two issues unfolding imo one today with the World Gold council report on China demand and at what point do the producing miners look to hedge the gold and silver production….that is another negative imo as the miners will be looking for protection IF key gold levels fail to support…hedging could come back in a big way?

            Apr 15, 2014 15:20 PM

            can you show us those three charts? Do you expect the same break for SLV to the upside? Target?

            Apr 15, 2014 15:27 PM

            Goldman; the chart I’m particularly paying attention to is the silver chart—-since the gold/silver ratio is pretty high right now, I believe the odds are that silver will lead the way for gold.

            Apr 15, 2014 15:31 PM

            Original, you’re correct about the hedging. It’s felt the average “all in costs” for silver miners is about $18.00-$19.00; the average “all in costs” for gold is about $1200.00. I think shareholders would crucify managements of companies that would hedge in a big way at this time. These “all in costs” are one factor for maintaining (floor) pricing close to the levels we’re currently at.

            Apr 15, 2014 15:37 PM

            Thank you I added 100 contracts calls SLV Jan 2016 strike 19 this morning at lows to add to my all in bet of another 900 contracts, same date and strike. It could be a very good or very bad next 20 months.

            Apr 15, 2014 15:38 PM

            Really Doc??? investors who have mine management that lock in $1300 gold would be upset vs doing nothing and sub $1200 comes into play…..its all about making shareholders money isn’t it?

            On the flip side if management is as bullish as the to da moon gurus why not hold back production and sell into higher pricing?

            bb
            Apr 15, 2014 15:06 PM

            jj ask Ed Steer why miners don’t hold back.

      Apr 15, 2014 15:27 PM

      $19.61 now which is about 3 hours since your comment came in.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:15 AM

    Diss is keeping the price under control ! FRAUD and CORRUPTION ! 24 / 7 !

    Apr 15, 2014 15:16 AM

    Gold is not going anywhere. It is just biding its time. If you have time great…if not, well find the time to hang on. I sound like a friggin broken record…it is very true!!! When reset comes you will be either on the right side (hard assets/wealth preservation) OR wrong side (US dollar denominated financial-paper assets) It is pretty simple. That is all you really need to know. History makes fools of us all – IF you dont pay attention to it!

      Apr 15, 2014 15:29 PM

      What about porcelain dolls and antique rabbit’s feet.

      Go M’s!

      Apr 15, 2014 15:07 PM

      ditto………on” it is pretty simple”……..Marc……

    mna
    Apr 15, 2014 15:24 AM

    I really appreciate the after market comment additions. Lots of extra work from Al, Cory and the panel. Thanks for the effort!

    Apr 15, 2014 15:54 AM

    I appreciate it too, it helps for a best guess in what to expect over night and into the following day barring external surprise events.

      Apr 15, 2014 15:29 PM

      Thanks mna!

      Apr 15, 2014 15:30 PM

      Thank you too, Proud C

    Apr 15, 2014 15:03 PM

    The Major Bradley turn system is as good as anything.

    Keep using it until it doesnt work.

    Many years ago there was a horse racing system invented by another Bradley, Colonel Bradley.

    The system stated that any horse that could run its last quarter mile in less than 24 seconds was an automatic play the next time out.

    The system did very well for a while until the general public caught on to the system.
    Then it went south as the winners dried up.

    So if you like the Major Bradley system keep using it.
    But keep it to yourself. You wouldnt want the public to get wind of it

    Apr 15, 2014 15:06 PM

    pure manipulation. can it be otherwise?

      Apr 15, 2014 15:36 PM

      James, copper took a big dive too.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:14 PM

    A flesh wound puts it well Doc. Good time to buy silver coins?

      Apr 15, 2014 15:18 PM

      Andrew, there are very good odds that I will consider purchasing bullion in about 3-4 weeks.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:53 PM

    Doc you should know better than anyone flesh wounds can get ugly fast if they get infected.

    As far as BM and his off the cuff trite comments about whats the big deal, he has not credibility with me.

    That said the bottom is in

      Apr 15, 2014 15:34 PM

      James, you sound the most positive that I’ve seen you in the past—-and I believe you’re going to be correct.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:54 PM

    one day does not make a market AL – This is three years for silver and 2 1/2 for gold.

    weve had plent of these attacks, not just one.

    enough days does make a market.

    that said – the bottom is in

      Apr 15, 2014 15:39 PM

      I believe that I have said that before!

    Apr 15, 2014 15:59 PM

    Earnins dont matter until they do matter
    Ukraine doesnt matter until it does matter

    Apr 15, 2014 15:18 PM

    why did gold do so good to start the year and why is it doing so poorly now?

    I wonder what Matthews take on all this is?

      Apr 15, 2014 15:34 PM

      I agree with Doc that “it’s just a flesh wound.” The action in some of my juniors showed small signs of panic, but overall, I saw nothing alarming. My total paper losses for the day shrunk by two-thirds at the close and SLV was able to close above its March 27th low (by one cent) after dipping about 2% below it. Looking at the one or two hour chart, we can see that volume was more bullish than bearish today. I don’t think this decline will show much follow-through.
      Today was a great time to buy miners and silver in my opinion, but one might consider waiting 3-4 weeks like Doc. He did make a far better call on silver than I did when this correction started. I anticipated more support for the stuff!

    Apr 15, 2014 15:25 PM

    Flesh wounds can sometimes result in death. I sold out on Friday and went to copper and coal stocks and they got hit just as hard today.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:26 PM

    Al asked about the double editorials – frankly I love them. They really aid me in understanding where folks are coming from. Hope you are able to keep doing them.

      Apr 15, 2014 15:42 PM

      Many thanks mwfolsom!

    Apr 15, 2014 15:28 PM

    Paul, I added today to the one coal stock I own.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:51 PM

    It was ayear ago they crashed gold. We might see more tomorrow and Wednesday.

    The powers that be that are behind this are in complete control

    Apr 15, 2014 15:05 PM

    Doc – You say you just dont see a lot more downside.

    a few years ago i was telling you we had seen the parabolic blowoffs in gold and silver and you said back then you didnt see it, that bul markets dont end that way.
    my respose was it wasnt over

    here we go again…

    Apr 15, 2014 15:39 PM

    James, you’re absolutely correct. I’ve seen a few bull/bear markets in the past and this bull market would have been very unusual for it to end that way. I’ve never been as confident about a bull market as this one. Time will tell whether we’re delusional or not.

    Apr 15, 2014 15:36 PM

    I sold some gold coins to pay for a new heating and air conditioner unit for my house monday and I thought for sure gold would go up afterwards, but it fell instead and now I’m really worried, my luck is never that good.

    Apr 16, 2014 16:51 AM

    Gary – bravo!

    You are the first actual person on this site to my recollection that actually put his gold towards insurance, the buying of your new heating and air conditioner.

    With that said you shouldn’t at all care what the price of gold does afterward because it is for insurance anyway.

    Of course if gold now goes to $3000 and you need to purchase more insurance that just wouldn’t seem right

      Apr 16, 2014 16:44 AM

      2nd person, James.

      That is the only reason that Kathy and I own and hold precious metals.

      With due respect.

    Apr 16, 2014 16:04 AM

    I agree

    Apr 16, 2014 16:50 AM

    Yamana has hit lower lows than December.