As if the U.S. southern border wasn’t enough. Now just a few moments ago Hamas launched rockets have hit Jerusalem.
Click here for this late breaking story.
Yep
All The Palestinians want is their land back which was confiscated by Britain when they created Israel and since then they are constantly seeing more of their land disappear. No amount of money can replace their birthright.
+1
It is not their land
Not true!
Depends on your starting point of time.
The Jews could hardly be described as voluntarily leaving 2,000 years ago.
On the other hand many Arabs did stay within Israel, in 1948.
And that is the point guys. It depends on your starting point of time. Going back to the Old Testament when everyone “kind of” lived together is one heck of a long time!
I love the euphemism “kind of” lived together.
The Jews were, of course, Egyptian slaves until the Exodus.
But remember, history roles on. Under the Egyptians it was bad; along came the Exodus and it got better.
Why did God make it so complicated?
CFS,
Quick question: if you have in your possession a title on a property or a piece of land (i.e you believe you own something as you paid for it), and someone comes and takes it away/confiscates it from you… and … furthermore… puts a huge wall in the middle of what you deem to be your land/property… so that now you cannot go on one side of what you believe is yours. How would that make you feel ?
Second question:
Looking at your properties’ title deeds, you might believe it is in your full right to claim “this is my land”… But someone else thouuuuusands of kms away, on another continent, on a blogpost simply says/decided/proclaim: “It’s not your (their) land”…
Again, how would you feel ?
It seems that confiscation from Government via taxes/taxation to give to non-Americans is something which irritates you. I understand this feeling – truly.
However, the confiscation of the properties of some other people/population/ethnies in other places in the world is something that doesn’t seem to bother you, even if those people seem to live in a modern-age state of slavery/apartheid.
IMHO, you display somewhat a lack of consistency in your judgment/principles here. IMHO, either one is “ok” with a State/Gvt confiscating things (land/properties/savings on accounts… and the list goes on), or one is “not ok”. But IMHO, from a coherence standpoint, one cannot be against gvt confiscation when it is about some countries, but ok when it is about other countries.
Finally, and on a different topic, related to your complaints about the Government and that you “WILL go live as an alien elsewhere”, I wish to share something of my own life (and I suspect I’m much younger than you). About 20yrs ago, I came to the conclusion that my birth country was not a place for me to stay in. So I just left it – I go back there for vacations and visiting friends/family. Please trust me that I was NOT wealthy enough to leave it – I just wished to live my life somewhere else, so I just left my country. And from my side, there were no rants, no big “I WILL this, I WILL that”. I just did it.
Along the same lines, several acquaintances, citizens from other countries than mine also decided to leave their respective countries. No big rants, no big words etc… they just left.
And to those of my friends back home who want to leave and say “the Gvt this, the Gvt that, I WILL leave etc…” I just say: stop the talk. Walk the talk.
I hope this can be of an inspiration, potentially, to you. In my own little, insignificant life, I’ve realized that aligning my actions with my internal thoughts/desires can help achieve mental well-being via “internal coherence”. Again… coherence.
All the best to you in your journey – truly.
LPG
It’s easier when you are younger.
It’s easier when you don’t have to give up citizenship of a country you love, with a government you can’t stand.
It’s easier when you know you can vacation back.
With regard to the Palestinian authority, the Arabs were not forcibly ejected when Israel was given back some of the land they had lost centuries earlier.
You are a person I would like to meet somedayLPG
And you are referring to?
CFS,
As a follow-up to your response (I’ll go step-by-step):
** “It’s easier when you are younger”
From a certain angle, it MIGHT be easier when younger indeed, but not from other angles.
IMHO, on many things in life, choices are being made by individuals not IF there are doable/achievable, but MOSTLY if the individuals truly/genuinely want to do/make them. What I meant to say is there’s always an excuse WE can find for doing or not doing things.
Again, for my little self, I found out that doing what I desire enables well-being/internal coherence. And it requires tough choices sometimes. But big decisions (for ex. leaving a birth country) command big choices.
** “It’s easier when you don’t have to give up citizenship of a country you love, with a government you can’t stand.”
I didn’t have to give up my citizenship. I could have given it up, but I chose not to. The reason is that I also, as you do, love my country. I note that also as yourself (and from a young age) I haven’t had any particular love for the several gvts which ruled my country over the years.
For me, citizenship and physically living “abroad” are not related – ie there are 2 separate issues, not the same one. But I truly understand that for some people, for some reasons (…), there are connected.
“It’s easier when you know you can vacation back.”
I typically TRY to vacation once a year. The thing is, last time was 2 years ago, for 4 days. So yes I “can” (i.e have the possibility to) vacation back, but I guess you’ll recon that I don’t really (ab)use that “right”…
** “With regard to the Palestinian authority, the Arabs were not forcibly ejected when Israel was given back some of the land they had lost centuries earlier.”
I tend to disagree with this/your statement, which I consider as HISTORICALLY inaccurate.
As I truly don’t want to take chat and website space – I’ve used a lot already today, what I suggest, if you wish to continue this exchange further, is to ask my email address to Al/Cory and we can continue this by PM.
Best & Peace to all,
LPG
You clearly do not understand the tax laws in the US, LPG.
A US citizen is taxable even if he does not live in the US. He still has to file and pay taxes, as long as he retains citizenship.
Because it takes time to get a non-US passport, it is not possible to “just leave”.
Because the US taxes large sums of money leaving the US, it is not possible to send off one’s assets.
If you are not young enough any longer to work, it is necessary to ensure enough assets leave with you.
Yet if you take more than $10,000 at a time, it has to be declared and explained.
It is not a question of making up one’s mind and just doing it.
You are correct, we should not waste further bandwidth.
CFS,
I apologize but you are wrong about me on one assumption you made:
“You clearly do not understand the tax laws in the US, LPG.”
As a matter of fact, I do. The simple reason for this knowledge is that I’ve worked outside of the US with several US citizens and I learned about this specificity of US tax system back then. The “back then” I am referring to here was about 15 yrs ago (14 yrs ago to be specific, in 2000). So while leaving the US mostly for tax purposes is a “hot discussed” topic these days esp. in libertarian circles and in online reviews such as “International Man” (Nick Giambruno and Doug Casey), it is not exactly something that I am unfamiliar with.
If you don’t mind, please take a few seconds to re-read part of my comment on the issues of citizenship and physically living “abroad”: I wrote “But I truly understand that for some people, for some reasons (…), there are connected.”
Do you see the “(…)” ??? I hope that you now grasp that I mentioned that I “understand” that “for some people”, these issues are “connected”. Do you get it now ? I think you missed this in the first place.
To go beyond the tax issue (which I didn’t want to express directly in the first place, hence, again, the “(…)” in the sentence I pasted in the paragraph above), the fact of the matter is that in absolute terms, choosing to leave one’s country and giving up a citizenship are NOT related. If you want to make them related, that is YOUR choice. But leaving the US DOESN’T MEAN that you HAVE TO give up your citizenship (that’s why to me, the are not related issues).
If you want to give up citizenship in order to not pay taxes while living abroad, that your choice – which I genuinely respect. But again, these matters are separate. You see, many countries have their “advantages” and their inconveniences. That’s then up to you to decide what you want to accept, or what you don’t want to accept and make your life choices according to those – internal coherence.
You mention (quote) “it takes time to get a non-US passport” ? Yes, it typically does, thankfully. And it also takes 9mths for a mother to bring a child to the world, it takes years to be a man, it takes years to accumulate wealth. Yes… that’s what life. Some truly meaningful things in life take time.
Lastly, I would point out to 2 things you wrote and provide a few details on my perspective on this matter:
1st thing: “It’s easier when you are younger.”
2nd thing: “If you are not young enough any longer to work, it is necessary to ensure enough assets leave with you.”
My perspective was (quote again): “From a certain angle, it MIGHT be easier when younger indeed, but not from other angles.” I didn’t elaborate on this, so please let me do it here quickly.
When one is older (say after a few decades of work/employment), one has typically accumulated over the years a certain amount of assets. So EVEN IF one has to write (the US case) a final cheque to the tax authorities before leaving for good, one typically has some assets left after that final payment.
Now, typically, a young person TYPICALLY has no dependency (wife/husband, children, parents) to take care of if he/she chooses to leave his/her country at a young age. So front that angle, leaving while young is easier, and I agree with you. BUUUUT, I guess we’ll agree that young people TYPICALLY don’t have much assets when they are young. So leaving their own country to go and leave in another one, with hardly anything in their pocket and having to speak another language than their own native language in order to make a living can also be legitimately considered as challenging, don’t you think ? Therefore, from that purely “materialistic”/asset-based approach, one might legitimately consider that is it EASIER to leave when one has accumulated assets – ie when one is typically older.
Bottom line for me on the topic is that, as I wrote (quote again): “What I meant to say is there’s always an excuse WE can find for doing or not doing things.” Big choices have big consequences (typically). And as adults, I guess we are supposed to understand this – whether we are young, or not so young.
When I leaving my birth country about 20yrs ago, I did it for some reasons. Leaving abroad – I’ve lived in several countries since – has positives and negatives – both financial, and non-financial related.
One some aspects, “home” is better. On some others, “home” is worse. I understood before leaving that not everything would be “better” or “rosy” abroad, but the most important was that I wanted to make this choice, and I aligned my acts with my desire – coherence again.
All the best to you CFS, truly.
LPG
Machine Gun, it is a VERY SAD AND MISERABLE situation.
Again misery caused to others (both Jews and Palestinians) by someone else. What a mess.
BA, I hope you don’t mind the abbreviated form but you are so correct. If you read British history they have been responsible for so much misery over time.
Absolutely DT: The thuggery of the Israelis towards the Palestinians is so that they can fling them out. Quite apart from bombing them to oblivion (a response out of all proportion to Hamas’ rockets, and while charging them for their own water, or cutting off electricity at will), Israel’s unspoken agenda is to restore Judea and Samaria (The West bank and Judea) back to old Israel, which is what the Zionists have always wanted..
CFS,
The US doesn’t give financial aid to Palestine for 2 reasons.
1) the US doesn’t recognize the state of Palestine – Palestinians would love this, but the US don’t… The fact that Palestine is not recognized is one of the reasons of the conflict in that part of the world.
2) Aid is provided to the “Palestinian Authority”, which doesn’t rule on Gaza – what the article makes reference to. Hamas rules on Gaza, with its representatives.
As an aside, please let me kindly remind you that Israel is the recipient of billions of US dollars per year from the US… err… excuse me, US taxpayers. It is multiple fold what the US provide to the Palestinian authority.
CFS/Al you are entitled to your views and opinions, which I do respect… but please check your facts sometimes.
Best,
LPG
I’d say give the Palestines the Money you throw to Israel! I’d say give Palestines the Weapons Israel has! Then let the Games begin! Are you a Hypocrite Big Al?
Nope, just a person who picks his battles.
This is a situation where the common sense folks on both sides have a valid point.
Mike,
I don’t think it is necessary to throw more US taxpayers’ money at other people/other countries/ethnies, especially if it is to provide them with weapons.
I also don’t think Palestinians need weapons, if they however get:
1) Palestine being finally recognized as a country of/within the international community, a legal step which would enable its citizens to organize themselves FREELY
2) the capability to FREELY enjoy the use of their land in the country of Palestine and therefore:
a) the removal of >200 Israeli military checkpoints within the currently Occupied Palestinians territories so that they, Palestinians citizens can move FREELY within their own land
b) the removal of the currently 100’s of illegal Israeli settlements/outposts so that Palestinians can enjoy the use of their land FREELY
My 2cts.
LPG
It seems to me I recall Jimmy Carter offering to recognize Palestine in exchange for Palestine acknowledging Israel’s right to exist within it’s then borders, and this was rejected by Arafat.
Is my memory at fault?
Amid all the craziness, I don’t think that your memory is at fault. (As mine could very well be!)
Been to the Oakville Grocery lately.
Kathy and I are considering renting a place in the Sonoma region. We love it down there.
Any thoughts?
Make that My $1000
You made a good point.
After PM Rabin’s assassination CFS.
I really try to do that LPG.
Where did I personally make a mistake?
Thanks and I certainly appreciate your comment.
Al,
At 4:01pm your responded “Yep” to CFS comment (made at 3:49pm). So I took it as the fact that you concurred with his comment.
I considered CFS comment as factually inaccurate for the following 2 points:
1) US money doesn’t go to “Palestine” as Palestine as such is not recognized by the US – the US funds are however directed to an entity currently called by the US the “Palestinian Authority” which is geographically based in Ramallah (in the “West Bank”) and which is run, at the top, by its elected President, Mahmoud Abbas.
2) the rockets came from the Gaza strip…where a Hamas-led government is in place. Since its election, this government has been at odds with the “other” government of Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah. To my understanding, PUBLIC funds from the coffers of the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah don’t go to help the coffers of the Hamas Gvt and Administration in the Gaza strip (this is why, for example, the Hamas-led government in Gaza has difficulties to pay its civil servants).
So it is in my view factually inaccurate to say (quote) “They [Palestine] clearly have enough money to waste on attacking Israel” as 1) rockets came from Gaza which doesn’t receive US-aid and 2) Palestine, irrespectively, is not recognize as a country/legal entity by the US authorities.
Hope this clarifies.
On a side note, I would be delighted to meet you ass well Al, as I enjoy your show/participants/and the numeral articles put on the site for us (such as the one here from the Jerusalem Post which gives rise some interesting exchange of views, IMHO). If you need to reach out on a PM, I guess you have my email address.
Best to you, and thank you again to you and Cory for the great you put together daily.
LPG
it was also my understanding that the “Palestine Authority” was a legal concoction, so that the US did not have to recognize Palestinians until they recognized Israel; i.e. to leave bargaining room. But also that aid was intended for the Gaza. However, it is also known that those in power steal much of the money for themselves. How big was Arafat’s Swiss bank account?
Let me answer how big Arafat’s Swiss bank account was. It was about $1 Billion. That Billion with a B.
I definitely will reach out.
Ok, you got me on a miss-naming mistake. Sorry.
Nevertheless the US foreign aid to Palestinians is still about $440 million a year.
Much less than the $3.15 billion that goes to Israel with only double the Palestinian population.
Americans have a guilty conscience for not realizing the holocaust was happening and stopping it sooner.
I think you make a very valuable point here!
CFS,
I hope you will concur with me that if one starts to “mix” the size of the bank account of a political leader at some point in time with the fate of the people he tried to preside over, then these are dangerous mental shortcuts – personally, I don’t do them.
Best,
LPG
Well, the world is going to hell in a hand basket. I was ridiculing Lagarde’s supposed occult message, but I think I will go take a second look at that video.
Please post the link, Chris
Here you go, Big Al. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw
Many thanks Chris
Rick Wiles was talking about Lagarde’s speech in the 1st half of his show last Wednesday.
You can listen here to it if your interested Big Al.
Cheers.
http://www.trunews.com/wednesday-july-2-2014-marshall-swing/
Thank you too Skeeta!
Chris,
Ms Lagarde refers to the G7 in her speech.
Interesting, is it not that it was the G8 until Russia was kicked out AFTER Crimea troubles which occurred after Ms. Lagarde’s speech.
Can she foretell the future?
Interesting question
NEW TAX ON DEPOSITS ……Spain…………0.03% tax ,retroactive to Jan.1,2014.(.sinclair..but, could be on zerohedge as well.)
here comes the BAIL INS……….
I don’t think we have seen anything yet, Jerry!
What kind of world do we want to live in?
Should I pay taxes to the US government, so those taxes can be used to subsidize attacks against Israel?
Should I pay taxes so that states can subsidize illegals from where we are not allowed to ask, when my son was forced to pay out-of-state tuition to his university? (He actually did not pay, I did, but the principal is the same. Why should illegals get in-state breaks?
Why should I pay taxes, so that illegals can receive free medical care?
Why should I pay taxes so that illegals can receive free school education?
Open borders do not work in a welfare society.
Just leave the border open for this ex-taxpayer as I leave.
(After all this once best country in the world now only rates in the twenties for freedom.) And those are old ratings. The way the government now steals from its citizens, making slaves of all non-cronies, and devaluing all pensions by virtue of money printing, disgusts me.
Pretty sad isn’t it cfs!
Our existence is not to serve the politicians in Washington.
Our existence in not to serve the crony-capitalists in Washington.
The President may never have read the Constitution, but some Americans have.
They know the Government is supposed to serve the people not vice versa.
I refuse to watch my country being killed in front of my eyes. I will go live as an alien elsewhere, in a country that appreciates non-paupers as visitors.
Great final sentence!
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Either Albert or James will be on the Show tomorrow.
Meanwhile in Iraq:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175860/
Seems to me you are not a very competent juggler mr. president. Balls dropping everywhere.
Pretty good missive, mfs!
The Sarah Palin Editorial on Impeach Obama now has over 10,000 comments overwhelmingly agreeing.
This describes America perfectly:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/american-freedom-summed-one-image.html
So appropriate, huh Chris!
It would be nice if our elected representatives and the people they hire to work in the State Dept, CIA, etc. would be above and beyond reproach in their representing the people of the USA, instead of going with their own agendas. Priorities they will not tell the American people, such as their plans for the Middle East and control/destabilization. This is part of our problem with other countries, the public is told one thing, the leaders behind closed doors another, and foreign leaders at the diplomat table yet another. Lies within lies like an onion.
All bullish for the USD. Immigrants require USD to operate in the US economy. Tensions in the middle east push capital flows in to the US.
How is that hyperinflation call working out for the readers here?
I personally am not concerned jebus.
BA, One day soon we will all wake up to hear, “Wall Street’s stock market collapsed yesterday with a detonation heard around the world.”
More likely to be “Wall Street’s Stocks now all completely bought by the Fed.”
That would not surprise me in the least, Machine Gun
Israel was created by people who were treated poorly and deserved a break. Hamas and Hezbollah were born in Palestine by people who were treated poorly and deserved a break. Why would anyone expect anything different? It goes on and on and on…..
The Palestinian deserve their own homeland just as much as the Israelis. If they had it, the radicals would have no sway and they would die out in one generation as the young Palestinians who had a job and had a future realized they actually DID have something to live for. Right now, they might as well throw stones. Why not? There is nothing else to do.
You reap what you sow…..
Great point, Paul!
I came across this little ditty that was published in the New York World during prohibition in the 1920’s. I like it because it summarizes as well the fight to legalize marijuana, history does repeat.
Prohibition is an awful flop.
We like it.
It can’t stop what it’s meant to stop.
We like it.
It’s left a trail of graft and slime,
It’s filled our land with vice and crime,
It don’t prohibit worth a dime,
Nevertheless we’re for it.
War is the game and profitable control is the aim.
Prop up this regime and destroy one over here.
Create this one and direct the money flow and creation.
Been that way for a few hundred years now.
Time to set aside some fiat into a self preservation fund.
The Balfour Declaration and the Rothschild dynasty:
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_of_1917.htm
However, from a Palestinian Arab point of view, the same area had been promised to them for siding with the Allies in World War One and fighting against the Turks who were fighting on the side of the Germans.
Therefore, when Britain was given Palestine to govern as a League of Nation’s mandate at the end of the war, both the Jews and the Arabs believed that they had been betrayed as both believed that they had been promised the same piece of land.
Well put Matt. Contrary to what the end time Jews/Christians believe, Lord Balfour had no such vision of Israel becoming the great staging post for some grand finale. Rather Balfour was a main chancer who didn’t have much time for the Jews in his personal life.
As for the 1948 charter giving equal rights to Jews and Palestinians the newly formed IDF had by 1949 laid waste to some 500 Palestinian towns and villages, resulting in the exodus of around 700,000 Palestinians.
The whole idea of Israel becoming a physical landmass is I believe sheer anathema. Or as Albert Einstein put it ‘We are no longer Jews of the Maccabean period. A return to a nation in this political sense of the word would be equivalent to turning away from the spiritualisation of our community, which we owe to the genius of our prophets’.
Is not it about time the US ceased giving financial aid to Palestine?
They clearly have enough money to waste on attacking Israel.