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Silver & Gold: A B-wave Bottom May Be In Place

July 28, 2014

Last week, I provided you with a relatively prescient prediction, despite most of the market’s expectations to the contrary:

based upon the set-up we now have on the table, as long as the GLD remains below the 127.50 level and silver remains below the 21.30 level, I am looking down towards the 121-123 region in GLD, which is what I will now be using to gauge the market action.  Depending upon how we move into that region, it should give us indications as to whether that region will hold as support in a larger b-wave of this e-wave of the larger degree triangle.

For the last three weeks, my ideal scenario has been to see a larger degree b-wave drop towards the 121-123 region, followed by a rally back to the 130 region to complete the larger e-wave.  However, due to various structures to which I pointed last week, I was very concerned about whether my ideal scenario would play out.  Specifically, silver’s very bearish poster is what concerned me the most.

So, I was going to maintain an open mind this past week and rely upon how we developed to the downside to provide clues to the bigger pattern.  And, as I noted continually throughout the week, should the market follow the more bearish red count I was providing to take us down to the 119 region, then we have a clear indication that the market had topped.  However, with the weak downside extensions I was noting through the week, the market was signaling the potential for the b-wave holding support.

By the end of the week, silver had gone a long way towards providing signals that it may invalidate its immediate uber-bearish posture, but it has not done so just yet.  If it is able to move another 30 cents higher and take out the 21.10 region in a 5 wave structure, then it makes it much more likely that it is not in an immediately bearish posture.  Rather, it would open the door to it possibly still being able to target our initial target in the 23 region.  But, in order for me to view that perspective as much more likely, I still need to see a full 5 waves off the recent bottom, followed by a corrective 3 wave pullback.  If this is going to happen, the 5 waves up should be completed by Monday or Tuesday, as we only have 3 waves up off last week’s low.

As for the GLD, we came up a bit short of the ideal target region on the downside, as the market seems to have truncated the potential (c) wave we were tracking this past week.  Should we see further extensions over the 126 region on Monday or Tuesday, that would provide us with a 5 wave structure off the recent lows, which would get aggressive traders into buying a 3 wave corrective pullback.  But, as of the close on Friday, we only have 3 waves up off the lows, and we need a full 5 waves up to confirm the bottom of the b-wave being in place.

The ideal target for this c-wave  – IF the b-wave will prove its bottom being in place – would be at least the 130.50 region, which is where the c-wave in this e-wave would be equal to .764 times the size of the a-wave, as well as where the .764 retrace of the d wave decline resides.

However, when so many people see a triangle, as we seem to have right now, it makes me very concerned about the reliability of the triangle from a trading perspective.  Since this 130.50 target is also where the 1 year downtrend channel for this triangle also resides, there may be too many people seeing this potential for this to be a high probability scenario.

Rather, I am thinking that we may have to at least dispel some of the notion that this triangle is the operable pattern to trade, which means I would almost want to see us move through that downtrend line at the 130.50 region, and head to the next target, which is in the 132.75 region.  This is where the c-wave would be equal to the a-wave in this e-wave of the triangle.  Furthermore, it is just below the level of the triangles’ c-wave high, which cannot be pierced or else it invalidates this pattern as a triangle.  Furthermore, if we were to target the 132.75 region, not only would we potentially dispel many of the triangle notion once we break through the downtrend line for the triangle, we would also strike the top of the downtrend channel we have created during this 3+ year correction, as you can see from the attached daily chart.  Furthermore, it would likely strike this region within the 2 month timing window we targeted for this e-wave, which would complete around the 5th of August, and on serious negative divergence on the daily MACD.

So, maybe I am trying to out-think the market, or maybe this is exactly what is going to happen.  But, all of this is academic at this time, and only meant to prepare us for the possibilities right now.  Since any rally is going to be a c-wave and should be a 5 wave structure, as we develop waves i and ii within the c-wave higher, we should be able to come up with further confluence to let us know which of these two targets is a higher probability at this time. But, please remember that, as I write this, there are only 3 waves up off the low, and the door is still open for the GLD to decline further if we don’t get 5 waves up completed early this coming week.

I will also warn you right now:  I will be watching this impulsive structure to the upside like a hawk.  Any deviation from a standard impulsive structure up will get me very skittish about further upside follow through, as I consider it somewhat dangerous to trade upside into completing an e-wave for a triangle, which can always truncate.

Remember, my primary perspective is that we are in a long term consolidation pattern – 4th wave – which is the most variable of all Elliott Wave patterns.  For this reason, I am trying to maintain an open mind to all possibilities, as getting locked into only one perspective is the easiest way to get hurt within a 4th wave.  It was for this same reason I was being so careful last week and kept an open mind as to which of the two possibilities would play out, even though many of you wanted me to be definitive.  I am sorry to say that there is nothing definitive about a 4th wave other than you can easily be hurt if you do not maintain an open mind and be as nimble as possible.

As for those who believe a long term bottom is in place in GLD, a move through the long term downtrend channel in the 133 region over the next few weeks would make me begin to consider that a long term market bottom could be in place, as that would take us out of the 3+ year downtrend channel. Confirmation would come in a move through the 140 region, as I have noted many times before.

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Discussion
25 Comments
    Jul 28, 2014 28:01 AM

    Al and Corey can you guys bring back Doc back. He’s been gone now i think for whole week. lol. I’m interested on his view on this week and next few.

      Jul 28, 2014 28:44 AM

      Doc is and will always be a regular.

      We were all (Doc, myself and Cory) in Vancouver last week.

        Jul 28, 2014 28:13 AM

        Thank you all. Oh ok sound good. Can you bring him back for at least one day this week to see what his thoughts are on golds bottom and number 1260-1280?? and maybe GDXJ numbers?

    Jul 28, 2014 28:04 AM

    Anybody who can read so much information on studying waves would be right at home on the beach surfing and chasing ” Bottoms and Tops”.

    Jul 28, 2014 28:14 AM

    We have a lot of wizards on this site who believe that silver will outperform gold mostly due to it’s historical proportional relation. I believe gold will greatly outperform silver when the world’s governments scramble to put themselves back on a gold standard. Silver is somewhat attractive but gold which has gone through it’s scrap days is poised by far for the biggest percentage increase.

      Jul 28, 2014 28:45 AM

      Agreed

      Jul 28, 2014 28:46 AM

      I personally prefer silver as my checks will substantiate.

      Jul 28, 2014 28:40 AM

      Don’t quite agree with your assessment. Silver has been money far more than gold world wide. As I study the history of China, silver have been money for several thousand years and gold never. US also placed more importance on silver than gold since dollar was defined as silver weight. Both governments of India and China has a large silver stock pile but small gold stockpile. When the gold is monetized, it will put China and India in a disadvantage. I am not sure China will allow it. It will be viewed as another attempt by US to undermine China. China’s influence is growing fairly fast and it has a large portion of the world manufacturing.

        Jul 28, 2014 28:47 AM

        Also there is a lot less billion form silver than gold and gold has a higher price. this gap is growing bigger and bigger since silver is consumed quickly by inceasing amount of industrial uses. If the world looses confidence in fiat money, the impact on silver will be proportionally more than gold.

    Jul 28, 2014 28:25 AM

    Two weeks ago you were talking gold down to 1080.
    You also mention gold as low as 750.
    Now the bottom is in.
    How can ANYONE take anything you forecast
    seriously?

    Jul 28, 2014 28:30 AM

    I have an idea Avi Gilbert.
    Forecast a low of $250/oz. and a high of $5,000/oz.
    With that range you can’t miss! You’d be 100% correct.
    With a forecasting ability of 100%, heck I would even consider being a subscriber to your newsletter.
    Go get em tiger.

      Jul 28, 2014 28:35 AM

      I assure you gold will never drop below 666 again, but going over 10K is possible. Jim Sinclair says 50K gold is possible.

        Jul 28, 2014 28:19 PM

        Sorry but sometime in the future gold and silver will be worthless.

          Jul 28, 2014 28:48 PM

          This is a bold statement. Without silver, how can you produce most of electronics, solar products and all other products using silver? Are you also predicting that steel,copper and zinc become worthless?

          I cannot believe people can say the above.

            Jul 28, 2014 28:41 PM

            We know that gold and silver have been prized for 6000 years, as far back as history records. And we also know that all paper money has become worthless. What more do you need to know?

            Jul 28, 2014 28:01 PM

            Read the Bible. Even if you do not believe what the Bible says why would you think this world as we know it will never end? Worldwide famine, nuclear war ect… Sorry but one day it will happen. It is only a matter of time.

            I cannot believe people can say that gold will never ever go below a certain price.

            Jul 28, 2014 28:10 PM

            I don’t read and believe in bible. I think the survival instinct of human being will save us from nuclear war. However, if human is wiped out, gold price does not go to 0. It is undertermined since dollar does not exist any more. However, if I am waiting for the world to end, why do I invest? I consider it is a remote possibility.

            Jul 28, 2014 28:05 PM

            I concur.

          Jul 29, 2014 29:15 AM

          JMiller, you need to think. For that to happen the dollar would need to go to infinity.
          So for one dollar you could purchase a house or a car. Do you think that is reasonable? Possible? This is where your logic fails. When referencing that passage “they will be throwing their gold and silver in the streets” That refers to “their” gold and silver. “their” money. Their currency of exchange. Fiat currencies.

          Is it reasonable to think their money or currency could be worthless? Yes it is. Their money is fiat.

          Do you really think in your view of global war people will clamor for a fiat dollar?

          Makes no sense. You say it will happen. It will never happen.

            Jul 29, 2014 29:53 AM

            It seems people are not understanding. What does the dollar or fiat have to do with it? What few people who are left would be clamoring for is food, water and shelter to survive, not gold. Gold will have no value in some scenarios.

            Bonzo said “I assure you gold will never drop below 666 again”. Never means forever. I stated that one day gold will be worthless. One day in the future our world as we know it will end and only a remnant of people remain or may be no one depending on the scenario. Nuclear war, worldwide famine or plague, meteor strike, our Sun burning out, ice age. The people who are left, if any, would not care about gold. It would have no value. Food, water, and shelter would have great value. Understand?

    NYC
    Jul 28, 2014 28:38 AM

    and you were probably right the 1st time, don’t second guess yourself…Silver is red and getting redder, it is also a leader on teh way up so could be start of the real correction in the complex that is just starting today

    these charts mean nothing in a manipulated market…….when gold gets pinched, it is like a pimple ,,,it is going to explode off the face of this earth……LIKE TO THE MOON.

      Jul 28, 2014 28:21 AM

      We are at the stage where you are either in or out. Trying to call bottoms and tops at this stage is a fools game. If you want to trade, alright; but keep in mind the manipulators can easily push the market higher as easy as they can push it lower. Technical analysis will not give you an insight into how they work. Look at the Dow and S&P- they let the market drift lower and allow shorts to pile in, and then with out notice they ramp them higher.

        Jul 28, 2014 28:48 AM

        Amen, Chris

      Jul 28, 2014 28:47 AM

      I have to agree Jerry