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Not negative on gold, but $1,180 is critical

September 30, 2014

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    McAlvany has a good piece on the FED…..and gold.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:44 AM

      Jerry,

      I listened to McAlvany latest pod cast on his website and he recommends holding cash and gold. Gold would be physical gold. He does not mention silver but I assume he would include that but some do recommend gold and not silver. But what does he mean by “cash”? In what form. Actual dollars? Banks Cd’s? Treasury bills? Treasury and Corporate Money Market funds? Savings Bonds? What?

        CFS
        Sep 30, 2014 30:57 PM

        This is the poem cited on McAlvany:

        Ozymandias
        Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792 – 1822
        I met a traveller from an antique land
        Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
        Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
        Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
        And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
        Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
        Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
        The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
        And on the pedestal these words appear:
        ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
        Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
        Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
        Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
        The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

        Jmiller………..I think he is referring to cash….as dollar bills….., I think he has mentioned the reason for the cash/ dollar bills , it is for daily funding of necessary items, paying for food, gas,ect…………I say this because he has mentioned …BAIL INS ,so that would exclude anything associated with banks…. which we have talked about before, right or wrong time will tell.

          Sep 30, 2014 30:31 PM

          OK. Makes sense.

            Oct 01, 2014 01:23 AM

            That is it makes sense for someone who is overly paranoid not to have money in the bank.

    Oh my………silver $16.95……….better get your shorts in before it is to late…………

    Sep 30, 2014 30:55 AM

    The federal Reserve authorities have found themselves in an unhappy predicament, they have lost control. They can’t raise rates and to lower them into more negative territory would give a clear sign of this, it looks like there only option is to print a lot more money and cheapen the dollar. But at some point the defibrillator won’t work anymore.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:03 AM

      If stock prices start to fall this will trigger forced selling of margin accounts so clearly they can’t allow the major stock indices to start declining.

      ditto……….DT….ON the Fed….

    Sep 30, 2014 30:59 AM

    Big support level is $1190. That gets taken out no support until $1140. Losing $1210 was huge.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:37 PM

      You can say that again. And 1200 is also major support. When that breaks momentum will carry the day and the last major support will get shattered. So close man…so close. I have no doubts whatsoever we are going down.

    NEW TOPIC………….EDUCATION………….ATLANTA TEARCHER, ARE going to get prosecuted for cheating , changing test scores……NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, means everyone is left behind, with a big FALSE EDUCATION. This will shock the entire nation of the TEACHER’S UNION, and every teacher who has changed test scores….to make the number of children look smarter than possible, watch out…….more to come.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:36 AM

      Mi child was stewdent of the munth at Marchin Lootin Gubmint Skool.

        Sep 30, 2014 30:48 AM

        And, he/she obviously is doing your composing for you!

      Sep 30, 2014 30:47 AM

      I would like to see a source, Jerry. Thanks

    Sep 30, 2014 30:35 AM

    “If the dollar or any other fiat currency were universally acceptable at all times, central banks would see no need to hold any gold. The fact that they do indicates that such currencies are not a universal substitute.” —Alan Greenspan, 9/29/2014

    Stewart Thomson: “Commercial hedgers (aka the “banksters”) are building what appears to be a historic short position in the dollar…”

    CFS
    Sep 30, 2014 30:37 AM

    FYI:

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/142114/alan-greenspan/golden-rule

    The central bank view of gold…….it mat not be what you think it is. Note what they,do, not what they say.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:42 AM

    I am a simple fellow, retired, ex-military in the middle east, former GE and IBM, so I see things a bit differently. It is not a matter of how much or when on PMs for you and me, but whether or not we have the backbone to stand in the face of evil by men in the fed, banks, governments and other powers doing all in they can to
    to win this growing currency war against the west. If they can instill fear in us, they win for the moment as PM’ers flee, and their phony paper money will last for a little
    while longer…until Saudi Arabia demands gold and not dollars for the oil we buy and other nations refuse to accept the dollar..none of this takes into consideration
    our growing debt (to 22T by ’17) and the dangers of terrorism. They cannot drive me out….I will not run!!!!! Blessings to each of you!

    ‘simply said’
    wyn

      BDC
      Sep 30, 2014 30:14 AM

      Is it really ‘East’ vs ‘West’?
      I see good, bad & ugly
      on both sides of that
      synthetic divide.

      Interesting:
      The Geopolitical Matrix
      http://boardmanland.blogspot.com

      FWIW

      Sep 30, 2014 30:31 AM

      I too am a simple fellow WH, and am in simple agreement with your sentiments! Best, A

      Sep 30, 2014 30:49 AM

      THanks Wyn, that is good!

    CFS
    Sep 30, 2014 30:48 AM

    Looks to me Natural Gas might have bottomed ($NATGAS) as reflected by its price and movement in ETFs. UNG, DCNG.

    CFS
    Sep 30, 2014 30:16 AM

    Sometimes I do not understand the US government.

    It is now providing nuclear fuel to Ukraine.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:50 AM

      Huh? Nuclear fuel to Ukraine?

        CFS
        Sep 30, 2014 30:56 PM

        I had almost the same reaction as you, Big Al.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:23 PM

    DSLV is up 72% in this quarter alone. Isn’t that good enough for anyone here? Why bother buying miners or metals when it comes easy? On a big fat silver platter no less. The dollar is crucifying and murdering precious metals day by day and some guys are eating all the past profits of the metals bugs. And it ain’t over yet kids. The silver longs will scream like stuck pigs before the end comes.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:30 PM

    Of course, I will have to admit that there are not many things that give me more satisfaction than when the gold-tards get beaten into oblivion. Good riddance to all of those nut cases! As a group they have done more damage to the mining business than any governments or regulations ever could have. The sooner the extreme elements lose their shirts the sooner the rest of us can get back to the business of gold again and the industry might then have a fair chance to recover and thrive once more. The trial by fire continues…..

      bb
      Sep 30, 2014 30:15 PM

      Its gonna turn Bird, at what point is the question, my money as you know is on about $1000, hope it doesn’t go that low, might not, but waiting is definatly causeing me to practice patience.
      Also, I think once the Chinese have all they figure they require, the price will be allowed to rise.
      That of course comes from my belief in manipulation and clues about what the “owners” of the world want.
      Tin foil hat stuff.

      BDC
      Sep 30, 2014 30:05 PM

      It’s always best to eschew hate, for killer instinct.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:31 PM

    BB i mentioned patience a billion times.. Something bird has lots of.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:37 PM

      Your BS meter needs a tuneup, glen. The guy clearly never takes a position in real life.

        Sep 30, 2014 30:43 PM

        Kicked your ass at every turn this year. You have not got one right yet except at the start of the year but you went downhill since then. I expect you are broke actually and just posting out of spite these days.

          Sep 30, 2014 30:48 PM

          Sorry, I NAILED the June lows too. You did nothing all year but change your mind every other day. Show us all a post where you said that you were buying anything, let alone DSLV. Now go take your meds, Fudd.

            Sep 30, 2014 30:51 PM

            Only you brag about what you do Matty boy. That is not my problem.

            Sep 30, 2014 30:01 PM

            So where are your happy silver charts today? Learned your lessons yet? Or maybe not.

            Sep 30, 2014 30:12 PM

            Silver is an absolute gift at the current price whether it goes lower or not.

        Sep 30, 2014 30:16 PM

        Matt,

        You make a valid point. With all due respect bird, I have asked you in the past to give some type of number or target or entry point etc. You seem like or come across like a very successful investor. Why not give back to the community?

        I really hope you guys just give each other a break for now.

      Sep 30, 2014 30:49 PM

      “BB i mentioned patience a billion times.. Something bird has lots of”

      Actually that is true, Glenfidish. I did not lose a nickel on gold this long while. Recall I warned many times in the past to only play the volatility and not go long. Most of the money was made short since then. Patience will be rewarded. I would not spend a red cent on gold until this trend plays itself out. The bottom is not yet in and we ARE DEFINITELY IN A BEAR MARKET!

        Sep 30, 2014 30:07 PM

        EMBRACE the Gold Bear market,
        Let it wring its destruction fully,

        Then and only then….will it be “Happy times are here again”.

        Sep 30, 2014 30:22 PM

        Just think about those people who listened to the advice of the fear mongers and doomsayers and got out of their IRA’s several years ago just so they could buy physical PMs. Paid taxes on it, took a 10% penalty and then lost about 50%. I remember reading a few people doing that on some of the PM forums. Wonder how they feel now?

          Sep 30, 2014 30:00 PM

          Very sad. It is this last bunch who are all talk and do not even participate that make me crazy though. As if we have not heard enough of their false narratives already. This is unquestionably a bear market and there is no telling how badly it will end anymore nor how long before a recovery materializes. Even I did not expect the dollar to soar this high so fast. It is just mind numbing.

          Oct 01, 2014 01:37 AM

          JMiller,
          These are the same people who won’t sell out for profit during the next gold run high either.
          Because they will still believe the SCHILLS who are screaming for $10,000 gold even now in a bear market !!!

          …..the only bigger Muppets than the “To Da Moon Schills” …..are the brainwashed followers who hang off their every word.

          You need look no further,
          Because thats where the TRUE manipulation of the gold market is….BS spoken by those with a financial agenda.
          Cheers.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:49 PM

    The Canadian dollar is now just above 89 cents US, we haven’t seen the drop at all compared to The US. It’s not a reason to celebrate, but you won’t see me at the beach like Bird wearing a red speedo, and yelling “Raise The Drawbridge.”

    CFS
    Sep 30, 2014 30:37 PM

    I think the Central Bank manipulators are on a treadmill that when/if they ever get off will cause a rhyming of history……..

    But in the meantime Bird is right for a while.

    Sep 30, 2014 30:07 PM

    NOT NEGATIVE ON GOLD, BUT $1,180 IS CRITICAL
    We tend to forget what is being traded and what isn’t. The lions share of trades in metals is not physical but paper and paper is worth very little. At $1180 for a paper ounce of gold and not a real ounce of gold I would say that paper ounces are over priced probably by $1180 an ounce. As for real gold that is another matter entirely and $1180 an ounce is far too cheap. The Silver market has the same problem.

      agree with the …..is far to cheap……….

        Oct 01, 2014 01:49 AM

        Agreed in the long term,

        …..short term though…..its gonna get a heck of a lot cheaper.

        A win for those on the sidelines watching atm.