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Gold Price vs U.S. Debt Ratio: Something is different

October 7, 2014

As the chart below shows, gold has tracked the expansion in US debt pretty handily. The correlation between the two is +0.86..

gold price vs total US debt 1978 2014 money currency

 

You can see in 2011, the rise in the gold price became overextended relative to the rise in US debt. Then it decoupled and went in the opposite direction.

This is a similar trend to what occurred in the early 1980s. And if one expects that relationship to resume (we do), then gold looks anomalously cheap relative to the rising level of US debt.

A second rationale for holding gold takes into account the balance sheet expansion of central banks:

central bank balance sheets vs gold supply growth 2014 money currency

If one accepts that gold is not merely an industrial commodity but an alternative form of money, then it clearly makes sense to favor a money whose supply is growing at 1.5% per annum over monies whose supply is growing up to 20% per annum.

A third rationale for owning gold is best summed in perhaps the most damning statement to capture our modern financial tragedy.

“We all know what to do, we just don’t know how to get re-elected after we’ve done it.”

This is from Jean-Claude Juncker, former Prime Minister of Luxembourg and current President-Elect of the European Commission.

It’s clear there is a vacuum where bold political action should reside. Elected leaders continue to kick the can down the road and ignore dangers to the system. And in this vacuum, central bankers have stepped in to fill the void via bond yields that are below the rate of inflation. They say that to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

To a central banker facing the prospect of outright deflation, the answer to everything is the printing of ex nihilo money and the manipulation of financial asset prices. This makes it incredibly difficult to shake off the suspicion that navigating the bond markets over the coming months will require almost supernatural powers in second-guessing both central banks and one’s peers.

For what it’s worth this is a game we won’t even bother playing. Our pursuit of the rational alternative – proper forms of money and compelling deep value in equity markets – continues. More to follow on this.

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Discussion
23 Comments
    Oct 07, 2014 07:56 AM

    Nice graph and I remember I saw a similar graph but it was at the first year of gold bear market. I think it was total US gold value versus US debt. Since gold tonnage never changes so the graph should look similar. Now this is more obvious. One difference between the divergence of debt and gold price in 1980s was that the total gold value in US treasury was significantly higher than the national debt for a year, which is extremely abnormal for a fractional reserve system. In addition, FED took the interest rate to 15-20%. This high real interest rate stopped gold advance. However, at present, the US gold value is around 1/50 of US debt if we assume US still has its gold (highly doubtful). In addition there are huge amount of debt which is not on the books such as agency debt and future liabilities. In a nutshell, this shows the bubble of debt relative to real asset. Either debt has to come down or real asset has to rise on value.

      Oct 07, 2014 07:58 AM

      Plus the interest rate is zero and we also have had QE.

    Oct 07, 2014 07:15 AM

    I don’t think fundamentals come into play here. Especially if one believed in market manipulation (which I don’t)

      Oct 07, 2014 07:30 AM

      I feel fundamental has not playing a role in the last several years if you don’t consider manipulation as a fundamental factor. It supplies paper gold and silver to the market, so supply demand equation has been tilted. There are overwhelming evidence that gold is manipulated as part of currency intervention and interest rate suppression. Greenspan said that central banks will “increase” the gold leasing to bring the price down. By “increase” he meant he was already doing it. Otherwise he would say “start”.

    Oct 07, 2014 07:24 AM

    I could show a nice graph comparing per capita dog ownership in Antarctica vs. price of gold that suggests gold is due for a big rebound. Maybe that would convince the bears. Get involved in companies that are going to be stars in a low price gold environment and you are good to go. You can be a gold bug in a bad gold market. Holding the physical gold is never the optimum way of playing gold. Identifying the best companies to own no matter the commodity market is the best way to play it.

      Oct 07, 2014 07:41 AM

      LOL. Thanks.

      My understanding is that in a debt based economy, the debt is proportional to money supply and therefore related to the gold reserve which is the only asset central bank holds to create confidence on the currency. So there is a relationship between debt and gold price. For example, Swiss wants 20% gold backing and all European and US central banks hold gold as majority of their currency reserve.

      I don’t think there is a relationship between dogs and gold.

      The last sentence is true to all investment not only gold.

      I don’t think there is a relationship between dogs and gold. The last csentence is true to all investment not only gold.

        Oct 07, 2014 07:09 AM

        I agree with you Lawrence. I have just seen so many people trying to show why the price of gold has to go up because of it relationship to some other important (or not so important economic parameter) that it is getting a bit old. Bob Moriarty tried to link Black Swans and Brown Snakes to the economy so I thought I would try to link dog ownership in Antarctica that is the desperate state of gold/silver bull analysts at present.

          Oct 07, 2014 07:38 PM

          I think a lof charts can show that gold is more oversold against history but they cannot decide whether it can be more oversold in the future.

          Oct 08, 2014 08:30 AM

          Peter: I didn’t say that at all. I said it was linked to the Dollar Index. When the dollar index tracked higher since July, the charts of gold and silver were doing exactly the opposite. I think that after a record 12 weeks of advancing the dollar index will and has turned down reversing the Euro, the Yen, the BP, gold and silver. The economy has next to nothing to do with it. If you look at the charts I included, the reverse of silver for 6 months is exactly the same as that of the dollar. I literally can’t understand how you confuse that with the economy.

          Everyone hates gold so that’s when you look for a bottom. Fundaments haven’t changed a bit. I don’t think I know of anyone who has ever suggested the economy has anything to do with the price of silver or gold. In India maybe but not anywhere else.

    Oct 07, 2014 07:16 AM

    Peter…..I will trade you one dog for one ounce of gold…..choose your breed……
    or what about one cat , for one ounce of silver…….sorry no choice on the breed of cat….
    I only have tabby’s…….

      Irish…………….my wife paid $1200 for our Maltese, is that just trading sideways……

        Oct 07, 2014 07:08 PM

        I was thinking the same thing. I know many breeds I would trade for ozs.

        Oct 07, 2014 07:31 PM

        JERRY…..Tell the wife to keep an eye on the dog……it could grow taller….there again it could shrink…….Depending on what vet you are listening to…….haha

          I forgot to tell you…..she made that investment 8 yrs. ago…when gold was about $600, do you think I over paid………………..or should gold be fair value at $2400

            Oct 07, 2014 07:42 PM

            Jerry…..YEP…. Based on Dog to Gold ratio…I agree , $2400……We should be letting the Vet setting the price , & not the Fed….

            gOOd one…………..

            Oct 07, 2014 07:49 PM

            Interesting, use dog as store of value.

          Oct 07, 2014 07:36 PM

          BTW JERRY…….Silly woman if she had of waited about another year she could have picked up two or three Maltese for one ounce of gold…….Jus saying.

    Oct 07, 2014 07:46 PM

    Yes Jerry……..But I can imagine it was something along the line of………..
    WAAAAAAAAAAT…….%£&^(…)”%$&&&……+£@?%&$………

    Oct 07, 2014 07:07 PM

    Lawrence……..That’s a very good idea….If TPTB..turn up at your house to confiscate your G & S…just feed it to the dog…that way the dog becomes a store of value.