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February 10, 2015

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    Feb 10, 2015 10:14 AM

    Everyone knows that I like the miners far more than gold, but gold looks better than the dollar right now.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GLD&p=W&yr=2&mn=11&dy=0&id=p75470479037&a=389024280

      Feb 10, 2015 10:19 AM
      Feb 10, 2015 10:58 PM

      It seems to me that when everyone abandons an asset and don’t see any driver for for that asset class, that this is precisely when there can be an unique upside surprise, especially when technicals indicate a strong likelihood of something happening. This usually accelerates the pop up on the very front end due to a short squeeze as Rick so often correctly points out. During a short squeeze the news and fundamentals aren’t as big of a driver as the need to unwind positions before their neighbor does, so the squeeze itself becomes the driver.

      There have been a ton of times over the last few years where there were huge fundamental drivers that should have moved Gold up and nothing happened, or gold actually fell, and many sat around scratching their heads in confusion. As has been mentioned on this show by most of the commentators, the fundamentals don’t seem to be affecting gold. So, this is inversely true that sometimes an asset or security will take off and there doesn’t seem to be a good fundamental reason why. Sure, people and news anchors go sifting over news looking for a scapegoat that nobody saw coming as their alibi, but the Global Marketplace doesn’t care with Goldman or JPMorgan or CNBC thinks should happen.

      Case in point. A month ago in early-mid January, when people were getting a little bearish due to the dip in Gold , there were a few people (including me) that technically felt gold should break the 1280 level, but there was no real reason for it other than technical analysis, and the sentiment wasn’t that hot. Then from out of nowhere, the Swiss announced they were going to unpeg their currency from the Euro, and Canada and Australia announced surprise rate cuts. Everyone that was short ducked for cover, there was a short squeeze, and most of the people that track gold missed the trade. Then a week later when everyone got bullish, Gold topped and a number of technical traders called for a correction even in the face of all the Europe nonsense. People didn’t see gold falling much, but when it fell on the very day of the news that most thought would be bullish for the metals, and has come all the way down to a precise target on Friday and today, “nobody saw that move down coming” and they got confused.

      In effect, this market has been ignoring the fundamentals in the general stock market indexes (DOW, NASDAQ, and S&P) for years , and that is also true for many commodities. This puts the game in the hands of technical analysis and sentiment indicators. Technically gold is due to bottom very soon and then bounce up, and with sentiment slipping again and becoming bearish, it is the perfect time to put in the low and then pop “surprising” people once again.

      At this point there is not a fundamental driver for the bounce up, but it is, nonetheless, uncanny how these new events seem to come from out of nowhere, that don’t always even add up, but they become the justification for the technical move that was expected. So, I don’t think we will see the driver until it is too late and the move has been made.

      The jury is still out on whether we bottomed on Friday (today Tues had gold trading right back down to the exact same range as Friday again, but then bounced again for the second time from around the 1232 level). Tomorrow (Wed) could be a contender if we haven’t already seen it. The bottom rarely comes out and rings a bell to let you know it just happened, but it seems like we are in the neighborhood.

      I do agree with Chris’s comments that when the main stream media and retail investors flock back to Gold, that it will be a “safer” time to enter the space and “limit losses”, but it will also limit gains. 15-30% of the move up will have happened by that point, and the remainder will be fighting to get orders filled at higher and higher prices once it is self evident.

      I don’t think buying gold/silver or select mining companies around these levels is “Being the Hero” and, while I normally agree with the majority of what Chris T. has to talk about, I disagree that people risk losing 80-90% of their money, like they would have in the fall from 1900 gold and inflated valuations on the miners with terrible cost controls in 2011. Today, the miners have already had the huge 80-90% haircut, have reduced capital expenditures, worked for over 3 years on containing cost, and Gold has fallen quite a bit from its high.

      We are at an inflection point where gold could reverse the 3 1/2 year Bear market soon if the leg up can take out 1347 and specifically 1382. I am starting to have my doubts as days keep on ticking by, and it seems the move up will still happen very soon, but it will likely be more muted after 1250-1240 failed to hold.

      This means that is becoming more likely that we pop up briefly for 1-2 weeks (for no reason other than just technical) and then we grind down into the late spring/early summer and put in the final bottom along with the rest of the commodity sector.

      Arthur Schopenhauer, the German philosopher pointed out that when any great idea comes to fruition it goes through 3 stages:
      1) The idea is ridiculed or scoffed at
      2) Next the idea is strongly opposed, and sometimes violently opposed
      3) The idea suddenly becomes self-evident

      This is how most of the technically forecast models are received by people that feel their opinions or fundamentals are challenged by the analysis. If they feel the world is in tension and gold should go up, but the technicals point to downside pressure. They laugh, they scoff, the get angry, they pound on the table, and then when the move down happens they are so “confused” or there must be manipulation. Then when they don’t see any hope for gold and get bearish or jaded, but things appear technically like they should go up, they laugh at this, they scoff at the “gold bug” that was a “gold bear” in the prior downward call, they get angry at the message (or more often the messenger and they miss the message), and then when gold goes up they are “confused” but there is never manipulation on the way up : – ) ….just some news event that people grasp for to look for the meaning of the move.

      They miss the point the whole way along, and when they do enter the marketplace, it is much later in the cycle and while definitely safer, it is less lucrative. It does really depend on someone’s time horizons and particular criteria for investing. Buying when there is doubt or blood in the streets, when nobody cares about the investment is called buying low. When mainstreet retail investors flock into an asset class, that is called sell into the strength or “selling high”. If you wait for everyone and their cab driver to get positive on gold again (you’re a little late to the party at that point). That’s called buying $45-$49 silver in 2011. Woops!

      This week should end on a more frisky note than the last 2 days of doldrums.

        Feb 10, 2015 10:38 PM

        Excellent post Shad. It’s good to know that a few people thoroughly “get it.”
        Schopenhauer was so right.

          Feb 10, 2015 10:07 PM

          We had the scoffing, we had the opposition. 2015 will be the year things become self-evident, just like 2011 was the year the overvaluation became self-evident when nobody thought the bull run in Gold and Silver could possibly slow down.

          It is time for turning of the tide…. just when everyone has forgotten about the ole’ relic : – )

            Feb 10, 2015 10:09 PM

            P.S. – Picked up a small position back in JNUG today. I had bought JNUG on Friday when gold got down in the 1232 zone we had been discussing as support level from Dec 9th, just in case that was bottom of Wave 4, and the beginning of the Wave 5 uptrend. Yes, it very briefly went down to the 1228-29 zone, but quickly snapped right back and then hovered +/- 1232 (1230-1234) zone in a channel for the rest of Friday, so there was no doubt that a key area of support had held into the close.

            I do find it interesting that we were discussing that bottom was still not in at the 1254 intra-day low on Thur the 29th, which then rebounded to 1283 by the close on the 30th. During that whole week before the most recent fall with gold in the 1270s & 1260s many were uber bullish, but the technicians were calling for 1240. We had a new focus on the 3rd, 4th, and 6th and discussed 1232, based on the Dec 9th peak. Now it has come down and tagged that area twice and rebounded. Coincidence or is it technical analysis?

            For the record, it is support and not a bullet-proof shield so oscillating back and forth around that area and holding all day shows there is support and congestion of buying and selling in that zone.

            This was a pretty accurate target that we put on the table when analyzing technical numbers, and we were saying emphatically that we expected it to happen soon. Then when that is exactly what happened, most people acted like they were surprised. I was surprised that 1240 fell so quickly, but not that the 1232 zone was support, and we had laid out the case for this target in a number of difference discussions with Glen. A short term correction was discussed over an over by Doc & Gary and tons of people on the blog all through the end of January and beginning of February, but I guess the people surprised by the $33 drop in Gold weren’t really listening.

            On this Monday, personally I didn’t like the odd channeling and lack of conviction, so I sold my Friday JNUG position at a nice little profit. My plan was to wait until Wed/Thursday to buy the low, but when I saw the waterfall decline from overnight trading into the Tues session and Gold returned right back down to 1231-1232 level of support right on the dot; then this got my attention. One reason is that Gold still did not violate the Wave 1 leg up to 1232 from Dec 9th. (no overlap Glen : – )

            So, when that happened and there was a second bounce out of this zone, then I got back in JNUG with my first tier (33% of what I want to allocate). That gives me two more tiers that I can average down with if we fall out of bed down to 1220-1218 this week. However, when something cascades down that fast 2 times, in less than a week, and bounces off the same exact zone, then that shows there is definitely some strength there. Will it be tested again, or was that the bottom? I dunno, but I took a small position just in case.

            Feb 11, 2015 11:19 AM

            Looks like today is going to be the low we’ve been waiting on and the 1220-1218 support needs to hold. Today may be a good time to take a position for the bounce.

            The prior level of support has given way to lower lows, so it is looking more like the rally out of November was an A-B-C counter-trend rally, so we are going to need to put in lower lows in the Spring/summer and bottom with the whole commodity complex.

            Feb 11, 2015 11:44 AM

            Shad, what kind of odds would you put on a lower low for gold this sprig/summer?
            I still think the low is in but want to see 1218 hold.
            http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD&p=D&yr=0&mn=6&dy=0&id=p76472544160&a=385093789

            Feb 11, 2015 11:15 AM

            Well personally I believe this summer that we’ll test 1180 and then the 1140-1137 zone again. What are the odds of breaking 1137? (60-70% is my guess). I think for it to be the overall low in the bear market that it has to wipe out all remaining bullish sentiment from the most hardened bulls. For this to happen I think 1050 is the target or just north of 1000. That will really bum people out and they’ll throw in the towel right at the bottom. If the article Lawrence referenced is correct then I could see that being the point where the fund managers jump on the train and I’ll be there with them.

            Jim Rogers has repeatedly said he expects around a 50% retracement in Gold from its highs near 1900. That puts his target around the 950 to 1000 level. Several analysts on traditional media have thrown out 965 and 983. Jim followed up this forecast with the statement, “I hope at that time I am smart enough to buy gold…a lot of it.”

            Feb 11, 2015 11:57 AM

            Thanks. Wow, 60-70%. I won’t be throwing in the towel, but lower lows would be a bummer to me.

            I guess the contrarian in me likes the fact that Rogers and so many others keep calling for 1050-950. In 2009, Roubini said that gold bugs are stupid if they think gold is going to 1500 (it was just over 1200 at the time). Just like in the summer of 2006, everyone was saying it was over for gold while I was guaranteeing to friends and family that it was not. Roubini was telling his flock to buy in August, 2011! I believe that the average retail investor is aligned with those who expect lower lows.

            Accumulators of an asset talk it down; distributors talk it up.

    Chris T……….is spot on………

    LPG
    Feb 10, 2015 10:33 AM

    A Ukrainian woman perspective on her own “government”:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/ukrainians-rage-against-military-draft-were-sick-war

    Needless to say: she has…. err…….guts.

    Best to all,

    LPG

    Feb 10, 2015 10:39 AM

    Meantime, looks like the Dow is making a push towards 18,000 again. Maybe the conventionals will say “fugetaboutit” to Greece and just do a happy dance past that milestone. I’ve been trading DIA and QQQ; really like the move above 50-day moving average if it can hold this time.

      Feb 10, 2015 10:30 PM

      Thanks Matthew!

      Feb 10, 2015 10:53 PM

      Yep. I still see 186 and then 181 as two support areas for HUI which would be back-testing that trend line. It is bullish that it broke above the trend line recently, and lends more credence to a nice rebound up for a week or two when gold bounces.

    Feb 10, 2015 10:25 AM

    Today’s news is evidence again that there’s a lot more to worry about than gold. How many of the KER audience own FEYE, HACK, other cyber security stocks??

      Feb 10, 2015 10:28 PM

      Those two tickers look attractive at these levels. Thanks CT! Will check ’em out.

      owning cyber security stocks is like working for the govt……………jmho………….

    Feb 11, 2015 11:50 AM

    J…….. What if we thought of it as the govt “working” for us? That’d be a switch, huh 😉