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Big Al
March 6, 2015

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    Mar 06, 2015 06:23 AM

    A GLOBAL MANIPULATION !

    CFS
    Mar 06, 2015 06:38 AM

    Collusion probably, Franky.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:21 AM

      Non-Farm Payroll Headlines Are A Complete Fraud

      Dave checks in….http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/non-farm-payroll-headlines-are-a-complete-fraud/

        Mar 06, 2015 06:57 PM

        I diversified out of many of mining stocks in Jan and Feb, anticipating the PDAC curse in March and now we have it. March and May are seasonally rough months for the PMs, but this coincides with the bottom in commodities we expected in the spring/summer in the whole commodity complex. What was odd is how weak February was, when it is seasonally a great month for gold/silver.

        It seems the gold market will whipsaw from here with lower targets at 1137 and 1131. If those don’t hold, then 1044.70 is next support.

          Mar 06, 2015 06:42 PM

          Smart move Shad.

    Mar 06, 2015 06:49 AM

    Rick: you were almost right. I did go down more.
    Target in gold exceeded (to the downside)! Gold went to 1164 (so far).

      Mar 06, 2015 06:54 AM

      Great call on the dollar Rick (wipes sweat off brow)….I am in a little shock how far its moved up. And Monday we get Mario Draghi’s QE.

    CFS
    Mar 06, 2015 06:53 AM

    Big Al;
    You don’t think Intelligent folks like Sprott, Rule, Friedland, Mcewen, etc. don’t know how to hedge?
    Billionaires always seem to preserve their wealth…..the first rule is, of course, don’t lose money.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:54 AM

      Gold WAS the hedge for Eric. That’s why he got battered.

        bb
        Mar 06, 2015 06:47 AM

        Thought he sold a bunch of physical and bought goldshares.

          Mar 06, 2015 06:05 AM

          No idea. I quit listening to him a long time ago.

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:32 PM

            Me too Bird, just happened to hear that somewhere.

            Geez, this “gold” crowd sure could have increased their standing in investers eyes had they simply recognised it was time (after going parabolic) to short the metals.

            I mean, how can people say they have been investing/ studying for decades and not know that?
            Amazing really.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:53 PM

            Exactly. And they are the self appointed experts! Lord help us all.

            Remember Upturn Millionaires? How did that work out?

            This is still a bear market in decline for crying out loud, not the bottom to be bought.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:45 AM

      No Professor, I completely realize that.

        Mar 06, 2015 06:47 AM

        Further to my comment, is that I have known some very smart people who went “all in” in the past and went “all out” when they lost every nickel they had.

        I guess what I am saying is that you never know!

    1167.10……………

      Mar 06, 2015 06:05 AM

      Gold is now negative for 2015 even after going through the strong seasonal period for the year. That’s in line with my prediction the year ends with gold lower, not higher than it started. Sorry to say but this murderous bludgeoning it just took is going to mean bad news for the miners and forward earnings. I am certain we are going to retest the lows and that gold stocks will suffer.

      So is this the PDAC curse we often hear about?

        Mar 06, 2015 06:23 AM

        🙂

          Mar 06, 2015 06:01 PM

          Mark…Once again…Ditto on the smile.

        That does not mean a thing………short sided……..what was it a YEAR AGO…….

          Mar 06, 2015 06:32 AM

          Look at a weekly chart Jerry. Gold WILL fall below the prior lows of 2014 to keep the declining trend intact. I have little doubt that is exactly what we will see. It is very bad news for gold that it has lost all its gains for the year so early on. Hope is nothing to hang your hat on here. Maybe unload the stuff because even Goldfish are not entranced by its luster in the bottom off their fish tank anymore!

            Mar 06, 2015 06:42 AM

            Let’s ask KWN’s Andrew Macquire. 🙂

            Mar 06, 2015 06:09 AM

            Ha! While we are at it lets ask Bo Polny too……or Harvey Organ or any of the goofballs who keep pumping gold over at King World News. Seems that none of them saw this coming. About the only guy getting it right is Avi. But he has a direct line to the Fed he says so that would explain everything!

            BIRD………One day does not make a trend…………..

            Goldfish can live a long time on their sides………….and the tank has a contingency relief valve………which lets them swim to the other tank , which was designed for overflow……………

            Mar 06, 2015 06:37 AM

            Does 4 years make a trend Jerry? 😉

            no ……….I am on the FIVE YEAR PLAN………….

            Besides gold has to break 600 to have any effect………..

            IF , IT breaks 400………I might start sweating………

            Mar 06, 2015 06:53 PM

            Mark Alan,

            CFTC commissioner Bart Chilton confirmed in his speech that Andrew Macquire is the whistleblower for precious metal manipulation. He cannot be fake. If Bart tried so hard to investigate and has to step down, you know how powerful the manipulator is.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:59 AM

            Howdy Lawrence

            I’m not claiming Andrew Macquire is fake. I know he is a real person. My sarcastic comment is in regards to his CONSTANT hyping regarding inside knowledge of what the gold market is going to do but it fails each time. And sorry, I’m not buying into this constant scheme of manipulation.

        bb
        Mar 06, 2015 06:54 AM

        I believe Bird there were a few gold companies listed here that still profit at much lower gold prices. Some even pay dividends, those will stay in business.
        I still own one and doubt Im gonna sell it.
        Hey, we all know golds gonna jump up $1000 or better any day now and I don’t intend to miss it. lol

          Mar 06, 2015 06:36 AM

          True enough bb. There will always be a few who escape the price collapse. But that number is getting smaller all the time. Does this not put a whole new light on insider buying (and selling) of gold shares by the way?

          Not so long ago we were being regaled with stories about IAG being a great bet. Some even put a positive spin on the directors selling during 2014 but look at that stock now. Put in a double top in January by my calculations. Down another 7% today……so much for filling the gaps that the fools claimed was a buying opportunity!

          Speaking of which…they sure are quiet today.

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:39 PM

            True Bird, but hope runs eternal.
            I believe it has come down to a very simple equation, if the company is loosing money, it should go out of business, if its making money, it should stay in business.(check the financials people) lol

            So simple its kinda dum not to see it really, but hey, I know nothing and am far from error free.

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:42 PM

            Oh, one point about previously mentioned gold companies that actually make money is that this site has its value, like the dividend payers I mentioned the other day.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:02 AM

            Bird,

            I noticed you came out with a bang on gold’s capitulation day and brought along all your cronies lol..Nah im ok with your rant as you make valid points and if drawing attention to yourself and boosting your ego makes you a hero, well then go ahead and walk the red carpet.

            You may think some of us are bone heads or ill advised etc etc, but I assure you every move I make is thought out with plan A,B,C and D if needed. I believe my friend LPG has been professing this of late :).

            For the record I purchased IMG.TO at 1.66 and put in a down payment that im comfortable with. Basically I added more at that level and and averaged down. Im not and I repeat im not of the mentality of today/tomorrow! Im of the mentality 5-10 years from today. I believe in IAMGOLD as its drop has had more to do with the bear then with management. Management has made bone moves but tell me how many are on that list? Quite a few. It all comes down to price of gold and cash on hand. Iamgold has more then enough to fend off this storm. I don’t know what tomorrow brings but I add on weakness in a story that I believe is not dead just going through hard times. For the record I will not add any more to iamgold unless it breaks 1.62 canadian ticker which at that point would send it to just about a dollar give or take.

            Can we see prices in miners from 1999/2000? Most certainly can and Im open minded to it. For now it’s about positioning myself and trying to figure out the market. Not easy for anyone.

    Mar 06, 2015 06:28 AM

    I believe this downward manipulation is aimed at covering silver shorts. It can be seen from the relative gold and silver short positions and gold silver ratio move. If this is the case, there will not be move under 1000 this time around.

    I have a big amount of money coming in the summer so I hope it happen that time if it happens at all.

    No proof but I don’t need it to convince myself. I have sold some position in January and haven’t bought after new year. My only order is SilverCorp sine they make money due to the cheap labour in China and China is developing solar very fast. My solar share in Shanghai nearly doubled since last summer.

    Mar 06, 2015 06:28 AM

    Bring back Bo Polny! I am still holding my $2,000 call options.

    http://www.gold2020forecast.com/

      Mar 06, 2015 06:50 AM

      Mr. Chew,

      We are probably not going to do that!

      Mar 06, 2015 06:02 PM

      Bo Polny has been on a few non-descript website interviews recently and I literally could not finish the interview. I had to turn it off. Completely unlistenable.

      The guy sounds like a complete amateur that is just guessing at price levels and timelines. My grand mother, my she rest in peace, knows as much about gold as Bo Polny.

      When are people going to wise up.

        Mar 06, 2015 06:09 PM

        Interesting Vortex, so he is always like that. I just thought Al caught him on an off day because the interview he gave here was so poor. Weird that people will pay him many thousands of dollars for his advice.

          Mar 06, 2015 06:17 PM

          Bird,

          In its most simple terms when I hear him talk he doesn’t even sound like he believes what he saying.

          The last one I tried to listen to, I lasted through about five minutes of stuttering and other nonsense and I just had to shut it off.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:43 PM

            Exactly my thoughts. Like he has no conviction. A deer in the headlights.

    Mar 06, 2015 06:34 AM

    Good Call Chewy!

    Mar 06, 2015 06:46 AM

    Apple plans to see I million of its gold watches every month. With 2 oz of the metal going into each watch that could help boost Bo’s hopes!!

      bb
      Mar 06, 2015 06:59 AM

      Is 2 onces true? Seems a lot of gold in a watch to me.
      I don’t see them affecting the gold price, the U.S. government has a magic “endless vault of gold”. For all you d&d players. lol

        Mar 06, 2015 06:23 AM

        BB! I am an old school D&D player – 1st edition

          bb
          Mar 06, 2015 06:46 PM

          I own a store called the “dragons lair” it was very popular at one time, the tv stations would compete to have me on them.
          Talk about free advertising.
          I was actually on for 45 minutes in “prime time” with the Laurier Lapier show, at the time that was the show to watch on the lower mainland B.C.
          He asked me is Christ had a sword, I called him an Orc. Was funny.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:18 PM

            In Burnaby bb? I think I was in there once if its the same place. Can’t recall the name of the shop though. It was a loooong time ago. Funny though, maybe we met.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:29 PM

            Oh my gosh! BB! You would have been my hero! I still have my old 4,6,8, 10, 12, 20, and 30 sided dice with the sharp edges – not the damn rounded edges like the dice of today. I even have some of the old PALADIN miniatures. We used them as figurines to lay out the battle scenes.

            But when D&D started changing after 2nd edition, I lost complete interest in it. Can’t find anyone who plays the 1st edition around this part of the country. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:56 PM

            7487 Edmonds st. bby

            The windows were painted black with a red line around the door.
            Trying to be cavy lookin.

            My store was basically the first one to do d and d or fantasy roll playing.
            I originally opened a book store, I had 1 customer in a week.
            I bought some of those lead figures to paint just to kill time, I went back to use the toilet and when I came out a fellow asked me how much I wanted for the “figs”.
            I decided I was in the wrong business and sold every book I had to one buyer and brought in everything made for fantasy games and table top wargaming.
            I became “the” man overnight. Nobody really had the stuff, just lucky timing.
            It was sure fun, eventually manufactured, published a magazine (first encounter) that went a lot of places around the world. very popular, sold hundreds of them in my store every month, wholesalers from all over wanted it. etc etc
            Some people in the industry today got their start with that magazine.
            But I was younger then of course, gotta be a kid to do something like that I think.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:52 PM

            Yeah, we have met. How are you doing?

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:16 PM

            We met? That’s neat, I hope we parted on good terms.
            So you saw my little hole in the wall, hard to believe that place was so popular eh.
            Had I been smarter I could have taken that place a long way.
            Live and learn I guess.

            I had just about every tragedy a business could suffer there, robbed,flooded etc lol

            You wernt they guy that offered me 750k were you?
            I should have took it. lol

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:35 PM

            Oh, to answer your question, things worked out ok for me, I retired at 53, my investments in insurance payed off so I have a humble income in a humble home lol
            Have kids and grandkids to occupy time and thoughts.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:26 PM

            Yes, pretty sure I saw the shop and spoke to you. Would have been around 1999 I think. But I am not a D&D guy. I never had an interest personally but I was scouting for gifts. Sorry I didn’t buy anything (no 750k offers either!). I used to buy gold and collector coins from a guy in the same neighborhood btw. That would be very early Seventies. He is long gone now but what a crazy setup. He literally had a million dollar (perhaps several million in today’s dollars) collection under glass cases in his basement that he would proudly show off to anyone who came to buy. It was like a museum but better because his collection was so varied. Yet he lived in a non descript house much like every other Burnaby home. Once prices started really rising he had to get the hell out of there though. Keep in mind, you could still get silver near par dollars in 1970 and they were still circulating in common coinage so having a lot wasn’t considered all that special then. But in retrospect it was insane that a guy would keep so much wealth in such a way. There was more trust then. Those days are long gone.

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:33 PM

            I think your talking about my second retail outlet, Game Time Hobbys, sold collectables, puzzles. games. rockets, models etc Dragons Lair was about 1980.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:45 PM

            You are never a stranger though bb. If I ever return there I will look you up. Should be good for some laughs I think!

            bb
            Mar 06, 2015 06:52 PM

            Sounds good but Im in Calgary now.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:07 AM

      Just another gold cultist’s wet dream.
      -dream on baby

      Otto calls BS too:
      http://incakolanews.blogspot.ca/2015/03/in-which-wall-street-journal-asks-otto.html

        Mar 06, 2015 06:26 AM

        Thanks for the link. I call BS as well. The journalist thinks Apple will sell 1 million gold watches a month??? What is that guy smoking.

        That being said, I wouldn’t mind having a gold Rolex.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:13 AM

      This is what happens to stubborn gold cultists.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXu3mklr0pE

      -hat tip to OTTO

        Now that is toooooooooooooooooomuch…………….funny………..

        Mar 06, 2015 06:51 AM

        Too ‘bull’ headed for words! What a clown.

        Mar 06, 2015 06:55 AM

        Great little video, thanks.

        Again I have to say, that different people have different reasons for buying gold!

        Mar 06, 2015 06:33 PM

        Thanks Irwin! That was totally hysterical. The guy is a gold bug for sure!

        Mar 06, 2015 06:39 PM

        Looked like an Obama supporter to me…….

          Mar 06, 2015 06:09 PM

          Or was that the Greek Finance Minister trying to break through the Troika ceiling?

      Mar 06, 2015 06:51 AM

      Where did you hear that Reverend?

    CFS
    Mar 06, 2015 06:47 AM

    For those that have not seen them, here are the suggested Greek reforms:

    http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/4e4b2122-c40f-11e4-a02e-00144feab7de.pdf

    They might actually work, but the real question is one of timing.
    It is interesting that they really do seem to enforce VAT collection. How much direct barter will be used to circumvent this is, however, a question because barter has become a way of life.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:40 AM

      “barter has become a way of life”

      CFS, no disrespect, but that is a bunch of bull. You’ll find some people bartering down in the provinces (I’ll trade you cucumbers for a few eggs) but that ‘s about it.

      I don’t know where people get this idea that Greeks are bartering like it’s going out of style.

        CFS
        Mar 06, 2015 06:46 AM

        You clearly live in a city, Chris.
        Labor is being bartered to minimize cost and taxation.

          Mar 06, 2015 06:48 AM

          Have you been to Greece? I have family and friends in Greece and I have never heard or seen do that.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:52 AM

            I should tell my cousins to pay his workers who work on his olive farms in olives instead of Euros. Like I said, I don’t know where all this “bartering way of life” comes from.

            Hey chris……………I am looking on going back to Greece, Will your family , trade spaces for a month……..for a Condo on the BEACH IN FLORIDA……….

            OH, I love olive oil…………..extra virgin……………..

            Mar 06, 2015 06:26 PM

            J, I doubt it. They have a beach right at their feet. And let’s not forget the clean country air. Where do you go when you visit Greece?

            Mar 06, 2015 06:01 PM

            Santorini……Athens………….

            Mar 06, 2015 06:10 PM

            No more Athens………how about Patmos………

    CFS
    Mar 06, 2015 06:50 AM

    Some folks call barter; “helping your neighbor” or “giving a hand”, but if you help with gathering olives on your neighbor’s side of the hill because his are ripe earlier than yous, and he helps with your crop later, that is barter.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:56 AM

      True, they are doing it to help each other out, not because they want to rip off the taxman.

        Mar 06, 2015 06:34 PM

        Your kidding right?

          Mar 06, 2015 06:39 PM

          Kidding about what?

            Mar 06, 2015 06:03 PM

            That they don’t want to evade taxes…..It is epidemic there.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:11 PM

            Well, let me continue with what CFS was talking about…about people helping out each other.

            I help my neighbor pick up his olives and in return he helps me pick my olives. Where is the tax avoidance in that? We are just protecting our profits by not paying a wage to someone.

            Then we go to a government licensed individual who buys the olives off of us. He gives us a statement stating that we sold x-amount of olives for x-amount of Euros. Rinse repeat after each trip. At the end of the year we get a statement from the government stating that we made x-amount of Euros. Show me the tax avoidance…everything is documented. It’s another thing not wanting to pay taxes for x,y reason…but I wasn’t talking about that.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:25 PM

            Birdman, if Greeks evade taxes they are doing a bad job at it because the government knows who owe taxes…meaning there is a paper trail. If they really wanted to evade taxes they wouldn’t leave a paper trail. They just refuse to pay what they owe for whatever reason.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:12 PM

            “I help my neighbor pick up his olives and in return he helps me pick my olives…Where is the tax avoidance in that? . — Chris
            ——————————
            My dentist fills my bad tooth…..I repair his car. Where is the tax avoidance in that?
            My Grocer gives me a discount on milk and cheese….I help unload his trucks. Where is the tax avoidance in that?
            You help your employer overtime….he gives you supplies from stock. Where is the tax avoidance in that?
            My friend harvests a crop of peas…..the farmer pays him with meat and chickens, not cash. Where is the tax avoidance in that?
            A politician gets daily cab rides for free but gives the cabbie inside info on government tenders and contracts. Where is the tax avoidance in that?

            You see how it goes? You think it is just Olives. That is the mindset. But the pattern repeats in every other walk of life from car repairs to inside information to discount vegetables or dental work.

            Why bother with a system at all? Just don’t ask for services or a pension when all is said and done.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:38 PM

            You don’t understand. The farmer will pay taxes at the end of the year. His income is documented…since he has no choice but to use a system put in place by the government in order to get paid. Is that hard to understand? I understand what you are saying but we’re comparing apples to oranges. A mechanic doesn’t have to go to the government in order to get paid. A dentist doesn’t have to go to the government in order to get paid. They can avoid paying taxes because they can hide some income. A Greek farmer can’t hide his income (I explained above why). The US has the biggest shadow economy in the world but I don’t hear a peep out of you guys. Only that Greece or some other European country has a problem with tax avoidance.

            Mar 06, 2015 06:48 PM

            No, I get it Chris. Avoidabce comes in all shapes and sizes. I am not blaming anyone either because what is happening there is a natural outcome to excessive tax rates and collections. Europe’s system shocks even my sensibilities because they have set themselves up for a political and social backlash by taking tax collections to such heights and extremes. What goes up must come down though. At the point when the majority participate in non compliance the game is almost over. I read yesterday a plan submitted to the Troika from Varoufakis that was utterly bizarre. Honestly, I first thought it was a joke that he would hire thousands of private contractors and even tourists to monitor tax cheats. It is just insane. What the Syriza government should be doing is rolling back taxes drastically and just wiping the slate clean on the past. That which is noncollectable will never yield a favorable result for any government and they have now lost the opportunity to endear themselves to the public who voted them in. This has disaster written all over it. Lets see how long before the new government collapses.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:30 AM

            Birdman, what is happening is Europe will happen to the US and Canada sometime in the future. I live in the province of Quebec, and people here are lucky if they get to keep 30% of their income at the end of the year. Over-taxation is a huge problem here but the government doesn’t understand this; they just keep raising taxes and fees every year. And what really gets on my nerves is politicians point their finger at the people and tell them they are not saving enough for retirement. Hard to save for retirement when the province takes most of your income.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:55 AM

            30%…? Are you sure about that? I looked up marginal tax rates for Quebec but did not see anything above 20%. Even with Federal taxes plus GST I could not get your number. Maybe post me a link because that sounds severe.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:10 AM

            Birdman, in Quebec if you make up to $41,935 or less you get taxed 16% + another 15% on Federal. Then add your property taxes, etc plus other assorted fees. Then add all your bills, etc. Like I said, you’re lucky if you get to keep 30% of your income at the end of the year.

    CFS
    Mar 06, 2015 06:52 AM

    I too have cousins on Corfu, but typically am to be found on Aegean islands in summer.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:04 PM

      I had a Greek girlfriend once. Oh my God!

      Forgive me. She was too good!

        Mar 06, 2015 06:51 PM

        Did you get on your back like a turtle! LOL

          Mar 06, 2015 06:17 PM

          They say don’t kiss and tell, Dicky. Bet you REALLY want to know though!

            Mar 06, 2015 06:22 PM

            Spare me the details, I can’t imagine you trying to turn over birdy!

            Mar 06, 2015 06:41 PM

            You mean you tried to imagine it? Holy crow man, you need more oxygen. Get out of Toronto!

    Mar 06, 2015 06:21 PM

    ANYBODY…………TALKING ABOUT ….HSBC….SHUTTING DOWN VAULTS IN LONDON…………

      Mar 06, 2015 06:22 PM

      NEWS AT KWN………..WONDER WHY………….

        Mar 06, 2015 06:57 PM

        I doubt Andrew will make this up since it is so easy to prove. They are one of the largest gold and silver bullion bank. Closing vaults means they want to sell their client’s gold. They hold gold ETF as well. What will happen to that?

          Mar 06, 2015 06:50 PM

          I think selling the vaults means there is nothing to put inside anymore.

            Mar 07, 2015 07:12 AM

            They supposed to have a lot. Do you think they don’t have any more?

            Mar 07, 2015 07:25 AM

            Look at it this way, if you have a second home but cannot rent the space for some reason then the obvious thing to do is dump the asset and move on. I am being serious. This is a business decision to close vaults and let go the staff, maintenance costs, security etcetera. It means they have probably consolidated to another location (if the story is even true).

    Mar 06, 2015 06:17 PM

    Rick predicted $810 gold, let’s see whether it will happen or not. Now nearly all the professionals have turn bearish to neutral on gold, this is THE most bearish atmosphere I have ever seen for any market, any market. Never can you see nearly 100% professional get bearish. Only ones I can see is KWN.

      Mar 06, 2015 06:35 PM

      And this particular surprise crash in price is not over in my estimation, Lawrence. There is not a whole lot of strong support until the retest of the lows at this stage. Gold’s closing price seems to just be hanging suspended in air on the chart right now so Monday will likely bring another round of losses as the ECB begins its QE and the Euro takes another tumble. I had been predicting another leg down but the ferocity of yesterdays declines even caught me off guard because I was not anticipating such a rapid drop.

        Mar 07, 2015 07:11 AM

        It is fine. Just loaded silvercorp today. The order have been there for several months and expired a couple of times. Finally I hit the lowest price for the day. That is what I have cash for, to buy dip.

    Mar 06, 2015 06:39 PM

    Here is a recent selection of quotes from a group of guys who are attuned to what is taking place in the world right now. They are Bill Gross, Stan Druckenmiller and Ray Dalio.

    Pay attention class. They are speaking in an understated tone but their warnings are clear. This is the end of the debt / credit cycle and the experts know it as told in their own words.

    Why The Smart Money Is Beginning To Worry About The Downside — The Felder Report
    http://thefelderreport.com/2015/03/04/why-the-smart-money-is-beginning-to-worry-about-the-downside/

      Mar 07, 2015 07:57 AM

      Bird, we have this for a long time and they are just beginning to see it, I think they are the class but you can be their teacher.

        Mar 07, 2015 07:58 AM

        left out known, third word!