A thought for Holy Week
Like they say…A picture is worth 1,000 words!
As I recall, Jesus flipped the tables of the money handlers at the temple (akin to modern banksters) because they were defrauding innocent people. They sold homing pigeons to the dimwits who were led to believe this was a good way to send their prayers to heaven! But alas, the pigeons flew out of the hands of the plebs and back to their roosts to be resold…or so the story goes.
It wasn’t wasn’t exactly a fractional reserve system as all the property was tangible (pigeons being what they are), nor was it naked short selling (albeit the pigeons had no clothes), but it was every bit as crooked as the technology of that era would allow. Indeed across the years not much has changed in human nature–most especially when it comes to the money handlers well positioned to bleed an economy..
That post cracks me up, bb. You know they are still selling pigeons over here. And just like back in the times they fly home as homers are known to do if you don’t cage them right away. Some things never change. Great story!
Well said, BJ
He called them a den of thieves BM. Pretty explicit!
Referring to the Temple Mount and nothing more. You do know the Chinese change money too. So did the Indians, Egyptians, Phoneticians, Syrians, Romans and most others . Did Jesus say anything about them? Of course not! The parable is about the type of activity in what was supposed to be a sacred place, not about the activity itself. You really need to learn the good book that you profess expertise on as a vocation.
But don’t bother. You are a religious man. That calls for a closed mind and an open palm.
BIRD….there is a part in the bible where it says BE NOT A LENDER
I know.
J, you ever buy a bond? or make a bank deposit?
Maybe the be not a lender is outdated?
Ever figure out why the system is screwed up……..
BM you’re such an incorrigible prat – this btw should come above your post of ‘I know’. lol
If that is all you can offer (name calling) then you are also part of the problem.
Very typical of the priesthood though. All of you can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.
You’re already there BM.
If my life is hell then all I can say is please God don’t ever let me die!
I don’t remember that one. I remember that is says that the borrower is a slave to the lender.
Thank you Wiseguy. Jerry does not actually know his bible even as he preaches to us from the pulpit. The correct verse he wants to refer us to is Prov 22:7 7. “The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.” ….but NOWHERE does the bible say that the borrower is slave to the lender. That is fiction. Servant and slave are quite different terms.
Close but not close enough. And he accused me of falsifying the good book!
What a joke.
Gotta watch those money changers….and some times you gotta flip a table over.
Heard Elizabeth Warren on tv last night . She was asked to critisize Hillarys closeness with bigh banks etc. Instead she made a strong and scathing attack on Bank America and Citicorp . They are 30% bigger now then in 2007-8 . And still too big to fail . She is right on. Break the big ones up into 10 companys each so they compete with each other . And why do crdit card companys still have such high markups on everything they do ?? love of Jesus to you all S
Ma Bell anyone?
Reinstate Glass Steagall and you’ve solved the greater share of the problem.
Glass – Steagall had to be done away with to pave the way for the real estate/ securitization and derivatives bubbles…just like the mad scientist Greenspan wanted done.
Don’t forget the elimination of the uptick rule on Dubya’s birthday, 2007. 2008 was a planned raid by D.C. and Wall street socialists. Yet the dumb masses blame “free” markets.
bj,
Repeal glass steagall act, and repeal act if 1871 would solve 95% of the counties problems.
But it wouldn’t help how I type. Lol
Sadly, R. Scott, Warren’s criticism of the bankers is more based on politics and class warfare than it is on a true understanding of the nature of fractional reserve banking itself, which she seems to have no problem with
+1
She’s a socialist and socialism requires central banking for the seamless theft and redistribution of private property.
Central control of money and credit is the 5th plank of the communist manifesto. So we know what most “Republicans” really are, too.
As Bob Moriarty stated in December: Anyone who believes there are two different political parties in the US is deluded. There is one snake with two heads.
The system is stacked in favour of the very few to the detriment of hundreds of millions who live on less than a a dollar or two daily. Redistribution is an essential part of a modern civil society to level the playing field and bring social equity where little currently exists. That is not theft but rather a means by which sharing of the resources that are an entitlement of all participants in the global economy is created by a consensus of both weak and strong.
That belief is astoundingly ignorant and, sadly, astoundingly common. Socialism doesn’t elevate the living standards of the poor, it cements it where it’s at and crushes everyone who isn’t poor —those who produce goods, services, and JOBS.
Wealth redistribution levels the playing field the way a bomb would.
Very ignorant comment Matthew. You know nothing of the hardships of the Third world. All you are thinking about is your own pocket and not how you came to be one of the beneficiaries of easy wealth to begin with. What you advocate for is actually the status quo that protects your easy advantageous gains and that in itself is incredible because you seem to imagine yourself to be some kind of outside of the box thinker. Pathetic! If you really embraced the ideas you espouse you would be out-competed in a heartbeat by people a whole lot hungrier and hardworking than yourself. So lets level the playing field for you Libertarian types and see just how long you last. I GUARANTEE you will be crying for a return to the days of the easy money in no time at all and all that BS about free markets and non intervention of governments will disappear from your lips like pudding ice cream on a sweltering day in the Grand Canyon.
Question your beliefs for a change. I know it’s difficult when you think you know everything, but you will never learn if you don’t. Study before you pontificate on things you know nothing about.
I am working off your dimwitted posts. Can’t really do better if better material is not offered up. Guess its back to the lowest common denominator. Maybe you should teach us all, teacher.
Can you start today? The class is waiting on your brilliance.
You’re obviously public school material. You demand answers on a silver platter but don’t respect what it takes to get those answers much less value them. You would reject what doesn’t suit you.
Churchill observed that most are like you: “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”
“Redistribution is an essential part of a modern civil society to level the playing field and bring social equity where little currently exists.”
Spoken like a true socialist. And who does the redistribution? Obama, Clinton, Bush, Moa, Hitler, Stalin? You think any of them gives a God damn about poor people?
Right on, Ebolan.
So in other words you have a viewpoint but you cannot articulate it. Ha! You are a pretty funny guy. Maybe we should just accept the silly stuff you write at face value and never question any of it since you cannot even formulate an argument to support your case.
Birdman 8 — Matthew 0
Ebolan, I want you to look at this another way for a moment. Stop thinking about your own pocket for a moment and the taxes you pay in the US and take a global view instead. In the US, Europe, Canada and Australia as examples, incomes on average are still amongst the highest in the world.
Where I live, amongst the bottom billion working poor on the planet, median incomes are a dollar or two each day. That means in point of fact that half the people earn LESS than that pathetic amount and half earn more. And those are incomes for working people!
Do you think that is fair?
Before you accuse me of being a socialist or a Marxist or a Communist you had best take a broader view of the kind of social inequity that is normal on this planet of ours. How can you square away that one person hoards a billion dollars or more of personal wealth while another survives quite literally on just pennies each day?
It is not even enough to buy fresh vegetables to feed a family, never mind the expensive proteins like milk, meat, eggs and cheese. I understand what you are saying of course. It sounds good on a big philosophical stage….but in the real world where people starve so others get to enjoy all the advantages of ever more wealth accumulation it is utter bullshit
You should know better. Go on a trip abroad and tell the poor about your little theory.
So because there are poor people in the world that justifies Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or George Bush or Adolf Hitler raiding my paycheck? Regardles of my own personal financial situation?
And do you really think the money they steal from me will make it to a poor person on the other side of the globe?
Here’s an example for you. $400 billion was stolen from the citizens of the US and Europe by their rulers and given to Nigeria. How many poor people got a penny of that money?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/eric-margolis/the-most-corrupt-country-on-earth/
Median annual household income in the US in 2014 was 52,000 dollars. Median household income over here is less than 500 lousy bucks. I don’t know how to respond to your post because we are obviously talking about two different things. And I don’t know who to blame or point the finger at either although you seem to think you know. All I am saying is that the inequity in wealth distribution is absolutely and stupidly off the charts.
Surely you can agree that a billion people on such measly incomes is wrong. You cannot even afford shoes on that money and indeed many here do not own any. They cobble together flip-flops made of old rubber tires and baling twine.
So stop crying about your taxes. More distribution of wealth is needed, not less.
Bird is too disgustingly and criminally ignorant to understand that his socialism keeps people poor by limiting opportunity and shaking down the productive heroes of society.
Poverty has only increased in the U.S. since LBJ declared war on it. If you subsidize poverty, you’ll end up with more poverty.
I think the Bird is just pulling our legs. He is just trying to get a rise out of the people here.
The money stolen from me goes to banksters, corrupt foreign gummits, “defense” contractors, public employee unions and various other parasites and criminals.
Obammie could steal everything I make and not a penny of it would make it to some poor person in Africa…sure you can understand this, Mr. Mugabe…er…I mean Mr. Bird.
Mr. Birdman,
You are a rich white man in Africa. Just what are you doing to help these poor black people?
How much of your money are you redistributing?
Ebolan, I can guarantee that Bird is not rich by any definition of the word.
Matthew wrote:
“Bird is too disgustingly and criminally ignorant to understand that his socialism keeps people poor by limiting opportunity and shaking down the productive heroes of society”.
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Matthew, don’t you see how totally inappropriate your comment is in reference to the dire levels of poverty that I was talking about? To call me disgusting and criminally ignorant or accuse me of socialism in this context is just about the worst possible thing you could have said.
And how the hell is it that I am shaking down the productive members of society just by mentioning a few facts about working poverty? These days, the clothes and shoes you buy probably come from here even if they are labeled “Made in China”.
And the people making them in factories around the country earn just 56 to 57 USD per month for 12 hour shifts and 6 days a week work. Their salaries are cut to 2/3 that amount if they take a lunch supplied by the Chinese factory owners meaning they get a grand total of 38 dollars per month income for full time work!
And you have the gall to call ME criminally ignorant because I told you about it. I just don’t have words to adequately express how that makes me feel. Maybe others here will respond to your incredibly bizarre, inappropriate, sick post.
And by the way Matthew. I have changed my mind. Al SHOULD block you for all the damage you are causing and for the incredible lack of respect you show everyone here on this board every single day.
In fact I will suggest it be done forthwith and perhaps there can be a public vote on it. This site needs to be cleaned up no matter how valuable any single poster thinks he or she might be.
Enough is enough!
Re: “…for the incredible lack of respect you show everyone here on this board every single day.”
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LMFAO. Try looking through the few short periods in which you kept your nasty trap shut and you’ll see that everything was nice and productive here.
You’re a bombastic, NPD jerk of a sewer rat. Have fun burying this site with your fraudulent “knowledge.”
I am outta here.
I’d like to know more about this Birdman person.
If I recall correctly, and I probably don’t, he lives somewhere in Africa and is retired. Was he born there? I believe he is a member of the white minority. What he did for a living I do not know. What does he do with his time now besides comment on this blog? What is he doing to help the poor black majority? Besides economics, PMs, etc. what are his hobbies/interests? I am trying to understand where he is coming from, so to speak.
That is your choice Matthew. You need to understand though that NOBODY is too big or too important on this site that they can be permitted to disrupt the conversation and behave disrespectfully nor be allowed to degrade the discourse to this current low level.
Not you…not me…and not anybody who comes here. The rule must apply to all.
The invective and poisonous atmosphere must end. Even if that means both of us go. And I will fully support and respect Al, Cory and the team in whatever decision they ultimately make.
The Korelin report will go on. Some of the current posters will not be a part of that though.
BIRD THEY will not be around , because you will have managed to run them off with your on going INSULTS.
Do you have a reading and comprehension problem Jerry?
I am not insulting anyone here today. Judge the posts on their own merit. And while you are doing that please read the following from your hero Matthew where he wrote the following:
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“Try looking through the few short periods in which you kept your nasty trap shut and you’ll see that everything was nice and productive here. You’re a bombastic, NPD jerk of a sewer rat. Have fun burying this site with your fraudulent “knowledge.”
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Got that Jerry? He wrote “fraudulent, sewer rat, nasty trap, NPD, bombastic and jerk” in reference to me. Now you tell me when I have EVER said anything even slightly comparable.
You are really biased if you cannot see how destructive those kinds of comments are. I will therefore repeat my appeal to Al that anyone who behaves so despicably be permanently banned.
And that includes you. I will NOT relent until changes are made.
BM, it’s an empirical fact that you’ve been by far the most abusive person here for the last two years. This current round of BS is 100% due to your complete lack of civility when responding to an opinion that you do not agree with. You thoroughly deserve far worse words than those I’ve used to describe you.
You obviously have some very serious mental issues.
Bird …….if you request Al to do what you are requesting , you will not be here long.
Christ was a Keynesian in any case. He turned water into wine. He made fishes and loaves for thousands. Those acts are the very basis for the fractional reserve system where you get more from less and feed the many with limited resources.
Sorry, but Jesus would have approved of modern Central Banking.
Wow. Now if that doesn’t embarrass your supporters, nothing will.
DITTO Matthew. The guy simply can’t help himself.
I don’t know what’s worse, Andrew; Birdman or the seemingly decent people who think he’s ok!
I’ll chalk it up to “end of empire” action. (Moral decay.)
Are you decent? Are any of you better or is this just throwing rocks in a glass house?
BTW, I really hate the perversions of the priesthood. Almost more than I am disgusted by the hard money weirdos and gold bugs.
Bird,
Jesus would have approved of modern central banking??
I can’t even fathom how you ( or anyone ) could think that!
Pretty warped.
Yes I’m decent; I’ve got my flip-flops on. Oh, and a hat. 😉
Other people might not have thought it was funny but I saw the humour. And got a laugh.
I always took the story to mean he opposed the money changers more than doing business in the temple.
Maybe depends on which translation or record you read. There are hundreds.
Julius Ceaser opposed them before Jesus did actually, so his opinion was nothing new or unique.
For the people “miffed” with Jesus being a kenysian, maybe Im wrong but I think Jesus probably had a sense of humour and was a big enough personality to laugh at himself.
Geez, it was just a jockularity.
bb…….Jesus would never have laughed at going to hell…..sorry….
I THINK you would not consider that Jesus hung on a cross for your soul……as a laughing matter.
Give it a rest Jerry. Do you know what a bore you have become?
tweety tell…….me how boring ……..I love your poetic blather……
Bird , you would like me to surrender my post, in order for you to fill the air ways with your misunderstanding of scripture…….It is not going to happen. AS JESUS SAID TO SATIN….get behind me.
Birdman says “sniff my tail”.
God said ……….turn the other cheek………
In your case he meant butt cheek.
First grader talk…….
HOW TO BEAT INTERNET TROLLS………zerohedge Sat. Apr. 4…..the number two on the list of detecting trolls………….MISQUOTE THE BIBLE…
BB, I have a friend who swears the Jesus went to India after his crucifixion (he did not die in this narrative) where he set up home in Cashmere and started teaching anew. What the heck, I am open to other ideas even if they don’t fit the Christian narrative. How do I know what really happened?
I read that book. It is called The Book of Miracles.
A really good read.
TWEETY HAS FLIPPED AGAIN……
J, you mention Jesus on a cross, just because you did Im gonna say, I don’t believe he did.
I prefer the stories of him going east.
Oh, and I said nothing about him laughing about “going to hell”
I was talking about laughing at Birds joke.
bb……..better read some scripture, concerning the cross.
bb……as I said before……..I have no problem with your comments , or you., matter of fact,……….I stated earlier , I would postpone any comments until YOU ASKED.
J, the “scriptures” are only part of the “story”.
And they are difficult in the way translations must be verified, a lot of time consuming work actually.
Then there are the contradictions, good grief.
Then the source of the stories needs to be taken into account.
I guess what Im saying is I feel the Christian records are more a hindrance than help to understanding what Jesus was talking about.
The evidence to that has been abundantly clear throughout history and even today with these isis guys repeating the same stuff Moses did.
The Jewish Christian and Moslem records have their place of course, but really, it doesn’t take much to understand at the very least they have to be taken with salt.
Im afraid I just don’t see “scripture” as the alpha and omega or what its all hyped to be etc.
I think Andrew mentioned a book or two discussing that the religion is different than what Jesus was attempting.
The alpha and omega is GOD..the beginning and the end. In the beginning was the word,
That’s why I used alpha and omega J. I don’t see SCRIPTURE as the..
In the beginning was a word, a thought might describe it better.
Thought before action or another way, non physical before physical.
Until one studies …..and rightly divides the word of truth, …..the confusion will exist. It has been misrepresented two thousand years,…..
IF, you want history from the bible…….go and read who the TWO SONS were of ABRAHAM……that is the BEGIN of where we are…..One was from a bond servant, the other from Husband and wife. One represents the JEWS, THE other Muslims…
bb…We were originally taking about the CROSS., which can be found in the scriptures.
AND THEN YOU SAID………I do not believe it….
bb…You said…………I prefer the story of him(Jesus) going east……He could have been there also, no problem. Not every day of Jesus life is recorded in the bible.
Good post bb. You brought up some interesting ideas. Personally I have a love for the old works themselves. The writings of the bible are brilliant. I will bet you have never heard that many books were suppressed though. Maryam (Mary) was a book that was once a central part of the New Testament but she was kicked out centuries ago and all copies destroyed by the Catholic church.
Some writings were so thoroughly purged from both New and Old Testaments that no living copies are widely know and there existence can only be proven because the Ge’ez language copies preserved in Ethiopia kept the texts alive.
For example, there is a book of the OT called Jubilee. In it you will find answers to the ancient numbering systems and seven year cycles as one example. I will put up a Wiki if you are curious. Don’t think that everyone is unaware of these books though. They are part of the secret knowledge not made available.
Shhhhh…..Don’t tell anyone.
Book of Jubilees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees
We own an ancient copy by the way. My wife’s family has kept it for generations. It is entirely handwritten and illustrated on sheep skin leaves and could be in the many of hundreds of years old if not up to a thousand. Nobody knows for sure. But it contains all of the books of the bible including those that were repressed and lost to the modern world. the first time I saw it I was totally blown away. I was up until that point unaware that so much of the historical works had been suppressed and made to disappear by both the leadership of both major religions. I don’t know that Islam has had a similar experience though. They kept every last word written by Mohammed bar none.
Here is a link to the Book of Jubilee for those interested. I cannot find a fee online copy to read (sorry) but this interpretation was written back in 1888 and can be still be purchased.
https://books.google.com.et/books?id=54psSAAACAAJ&dq=old+testament+bible+jubilee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wyAgVaDUCYWksgHh9IGYBw&redir_esc=y
What I did find though is an online copy of another of the lost books of the Old Testament (Torah) that will be of great interest to those who enjoy the works from that time and probably have never read it, seen it or even heard of its existence.
It is called the Book of Henoch and would have been entirely lost had it not been preserved in Ethiopic (the Ge’Ez language) after having been translated out of Hebrew more than a millennia in the past.
The Book of Henoch – free online edition
https://books.google.com.et/books?id=QhXsAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=old+testament+translation+from+ethiopic+jubilee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JCUgVczsJ4mUsAH4mILoCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
NOW LOOKS WHO IS BABBLING ABOUT THE BOOKS……….
HOW TO BEAT INTERNET TROLLS……..zerohedge APRIL 4 ……….THE no. two on the list of detecting trolls…………………….MISQUOTE THE BIBLE.
WOW, absolutely unreal Bird.
I have read rumours of these books your talking about.
Even read some stuff that they were part of the reason Mussolini invaded Ethiopia.
As well as searching for the Ark of the covenant.
Also read that copies were kept by the Catholic church in Rome.
All rumour of course, but in my search to hear Aramaic spoken I found a young lady from Ethiopia, she believed these records and ark are kept there. She was surprised I had heard of them being there. lol
This record you have is valuable.
Geez get some copies made and for Petes sake don’t loose it, find a safe museum/university maybe?
And Yes, Ive heard many records were supressed or destroyed.
Look at what Luther had to do just to get a German translation, all about control.
You knew that tho.
In particular, the records of Jesus talking about re- encarnation were twisted and destroyed, 3 lines concerning it still remain tho, but they are misinterpreted.
You need to know that’s what he is talking about, then they become clear as day.
Also, discussions of meditation were supposedly removed.
Probly lots actually, especially if we believe the last verse of John. lol
Thanks for the links Bird, real interesting.
You probly know this, but there are other records as well, Indian and Egypt come to mind. There are even clues to Jesus influence in China, a slight change in the demeanour (not sure if that’s the right description) of Buddhism. To recognise that tho, one would have to be familiar enough to recognise the change. The change was attributed to a Buddhist.
The book “Jesus in India” sorry, cant name the author (more letters to his name than the alphabet). Anyway, you might find that one an interesting read too.(not overly long) I guess Jesus went to the same school that those “pharaoh” boys learned to turn staffs into snakes, among other tidbits. Quit interesting evidence in support of Jesus being in India.
This is a fascinating part of the world bb. Absolutely no question about it. Indeed it is accepted as fact amongst Ethiopians that the Ark of the Covenant resides in Ethiopia as it has done for the last 3000 years since the days of the Queen of Sheba.
It is reputed to be housed in a small church in the North of the country at Axum and cannot be viewed by anyone.
I wish I could say I was near but I have never been there. Many years ago however I was in a city called Lalibella where there are a dozen or more fabulous churches carved directly out of the living stone. I mean, they were not built stone by stone but rather each was cut as a single piece from the basalt.
It is truly a sight you must see one day if you have a love for history and old churches as I do. Now I hear it is a world heritage site so it is protected and has financial support for its ongoing preservation. Perhaps one day I shall return there.
About the lost books though….boy did the church ever do a number in its efforts to kick women out of the religion as it developed. The book of Maryam (Mary) was believed to not even exist. Copies written in Ge’ez were denied by the Church as being written by Ethiopians themselves and thus not a valid part of the original teachings.
It was not until fragments were discovered elsewhere that finally confirmed the books factual existence and it could be dated to have been written during Christs time on earth. And yet there it was all along in the Ethiopian bible where it had been faithfully preserved despite Rome’s desire to have it struck from the worlds memory!
This is nuts bb. They went out of their way to destroy virtually all the copies during the last two thousand years but were unable to convince Orthodox Ethiopians to give it up. So it lived on. But get this…it is in Ge’ez which is a dead language!
And only well trained priests can even read it. So in Ethiopian churches they recite the words from a language that nobody understands anymore and just a very few of the clergy are literate in. Kind of like the Catholic church doing mass in Latin. You know, everyone just goes along with it from tradition but they have no idea what is actually being said.
I knew you amongst all the people on this site would find this most interesting. So I did a little more digging and finally came up with an English translation of the Book of Jubilees (linked below) and a website that carries the translation of quite a few lost works that were discovered with the Dead Sea Scrolls et al.
Cheers!
The Book of Jubilees
http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_jubilees.htm
Many thanks, Jerry
Here is the other site I mentioned: Lost, Forgotten Books and Ancient Sacred Texts
http://reluctant-messenger.com/lost_forgotten_books.htm
Don’t you find it kind of interesting btw that the people on this site who call themselves Christians have taken no interest at all in this thread? Seems they just want to argue and sling mud all day. They seem to have forgotten the virtues of forgiveness, grace and patience!
Maybe God will straighten them out once they go to the other side.
That is a thought provoking comment, Bird.
Oops….sorry bb. My wife has just corrected me. She read parts of the book of Mary in English and tells me it is a different book and a different Mary. Sorry about that. I am at kind of a disadvantage though. I can’t read Ge’ez!
Note to Jerry: I have never misquoted the bible. What in hell is wrong with you, man?
Which book of Mary is she referring to Bird?
Actually I don’t find it funny Bird.
I find it kinda sad, the Christians are taught to look nowhere else but “their” bible.
They don’t realise just how much information they miss.
In general of course.
Another “funny” thing I find, the bible has stories of giants (1 anyway)
but they wont take into account archeological digs, which actually prove their records are right.
Geez, Beowolf killed a giant.
Archeology supports or proves Moses/Joshua destruction of the Hittites or Cananites actually happened, but they never mention it, that Im aware of.
Maybe because the story is told from the other side?
I watched a video of a scientist, he says the reason our records generally only go back about 12 thousand years was an ice age. Could be, but the religion comes up with god created everything only that far back. Deception, and it is widely believed. oh well.(no offence intended to anyone)
But just imagine how much closer they could get to understanding “creation”.
Anyway, another author you might enjoy is James Churchward, I believe he talks about records in stone, 10 sets held by 10 different groups, held in secret, so old now the different groups dont know of each other anymore.
I have found ancient or even pre ancient records and archeology finds very interesting.
Not being open min d ed is a terrible thing, B
Mother Mary Al…not Mary Magdalene. It was my mixup. I didn’t realize there are actually two separate tracts from around the same time. But when I dug into it there is doubt even amongst the researchers about which is which so I don’t feel so bad. It’s a learning experience. What I do know it the church did not respect Mary or her recollections of Christ and so they buried her book for almost 2000 years.
True!
Oops. Wrong spot…ignore
No, that was in the perfect place Dan. Well planned!
Who are you? You are from Africa, old and wealthy…and you speak like a statist tyrant…I got it…you ARE Robert Mugabe!
Well at least you didn’t call me Jim Sinclair!
So you’re not Mugabe. You are a comedian.
Good to hear you are laughing, Ebolan.
Say hello to Grace for me. How’s she doing after that appendectomy?
Were those money changers JEWS by any chance? Just wondering. 🙂 lol
Jason…No No man, everybody knows they were Paddys from Co Galway.
BTW..For anybody who does not know were County Galway is , its a tiny place west of Sweden.
Its Ireland for gosh sakes. And nobody cares. They are all a pain in the arse. I know. I married one once and could not have paid the ticket to send her back home fast enough. Bye bye Lassie!
Bird..Are you sure it was not the other way around & she paid for your ticket to Africa ,
Just asking.
Let ol’ blue eyes give us all a lift!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7zOFAzzt4
Jesus was not turning over the money changers, but the tables. His righteous anger was directed at the powers behind the exchange and their ability to control the Sanhedrin.
The priest always follow the money.
GREAT PICTURE………THANKS FOR THE POST AL……….
George Carlin — Religion is Bullshit
Tried to put up the u tube link
Here it is bb. George gets my vote. Religion is indeed a whole lot of bullshit. The morons here who spout it daily are brainwashed and brain-dead. But I can’t say that out loud (forgive me Jesus).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
maybe that works
bb to the rescue….ThunderBIRDS are go.
I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older; then it dawned on me – they’re cramming for their final exam.
George Carlin
bb…Priceless…HaHa
Ditto…bb…HAHAHAHa!
Birdman seems to be able to play you all like a fiddle. I think he’s really having a good time getting you people all riled up.
And that’s what makes him worthless to this site.
DITTO………
I said ditto, because that is tweety’s favorite word.
I am not worthless under any circumstance.You can take that comment back.
You’re right and I do take that back. You are far worse than worthless since you are worth a lot less than ZERO.
gregd, birdbath is a pot stirrer who has no knowledge, you’ve got that right!
That is an uncalled for and pointless comment. Where do you get off saying I have no knowledge, Dick?
Sorry, I meant to write “Dick” in capital letters. Try to forgive me.
You guys are never going to figure it out are you.
OOhhh I can hear it now.
I never said he wasn’t knowledgeable. He makes some reasonable points and conclusions. He makes me re-think my positions. That doesn’t mean I agree. I don’t take it personally when he calls us gold bugs. I like gold and silver as insurance if that makes me a bug ,so be it.
As for the name calling and trash talk, I gotta say it the weakest part of all your game.
I’ve stayed away from this site for awhile. I am now back only to find that the back stabbing and name calling appear to be at an epidemic level again. Cutsie “lol….”and smilie faces after flinging insults…is this grade school?
What is happening to this once informative and friendly site???? Groups of grown men who have nothing better to do then to take sides and then calling each other pathetic names!
My hope is that it can return to the enjoyable and educational place it used to be. Am I asking too much? Do the other readers take offense at the constant barrage of hate that is being displayed? Is this the new normal for civil behavior? I’m not being snarky when I ask this. I think it is a disservice to Al and Cory to let this continue as it is.
Jody D
Jody,
Once a free content message board reaches the level of abrasive discourse and clear division that this one has, it’s very difficult for it ever to recover.
At some point in the future it will simply become too undesirable and not worth anyone’s time to come here and wade through the divergent personalities and endless infighting.
Unfortunately, I myself bare some responsibility in the big scheme of things as a longtime guest and contributor here. Often times I have been guilty of poor behavior and that was and is unfortunate on my part.
Hopefully cooler heads, maturity and a more humble form of opinionated bravado can prevail (not censorship) and we can get back to making this a more civil self governing place that Big Al can once again be proud of as the owner and host and for all of us to enjoy a great dialog of globally diverse opinions.
V
Vortex,
Thank you for acknowledging my frustration by adding your response. I am against censorship. Perhaps I should just not continue to return to the site as some are probably thinking. The constant baiting between certain members has just worn me down.
I want to take this time to offer my prayer support to Big Al during this brief health setback. He is blessed to have so much support and love from Family and contributors.
Jody D
What I consider to be “grade school” is the way the word “censorship” gets thoughtlessly thrown around. Al has every right to require that certain guidelines are met. Like his house, this site is Al’s private property. Banning bad behavior is hardly similar to banning certain content, don’t you think?
While I’m at it, I consider it to be grade school behavior when presumably competent adults tolerate people that act, and interact with others, the way Birdman does.
I also consider those who trust their politicians and the major media companies to be rather “grade school” as well.
I could go on and on but will refrain since it might be, well, a little “grade school” of me to do so.
Matthew,
Who are you accusing of “thoughtlessly” using the word “censorship”? Vortex, myself, or just in general?
I knew I would get an acidic response back from you. Usually do.
Jody D
All three, Jody D., you, Vortex and people in general. There is no place for the word under these circumstances.
If Al wants to block me because of my responses to Bird, I won’t feel that I was censored and if Bird had a brain, he wouldn’t either.
My acidity is due to the fact that you and others expect me to tolerate his constant attacks which include misrepresenting my views and actions as well as any facts that don’t suit him.
You expect me to respond only in a way that YOU approve of. Which seems a little arrogant to me.
It is not responses that are a problem Matthew. It is the name calling and poisonous invective in the responses that is troubling the site and creating conflict. You need to grow up a little more (in my opinion).
I’ve expressed those views before myself, Jody – and if I had my way, some would be blocked.
Let the blocking begin. It is making me crazy too. I have tried endlessly to get a conversation going on a great many topics and those posts NEVER get any responses. Instead I get mud hurled at me. Often when I am not even on a thread posting. And it is done relentlessly by people who often strike me as being either Bots, Trolls or handicaps. It is hopeless.
And then reread this bizarre inappropriate outburst hurled at me a few days ago:
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On March 31, 2015, Matthew says:
Ok genius and world class dirtball, I made 16 trades today and exchanged 28 emails with Glenfidish. If you check, you’ll see that there is a gap in my comments here.
It’s funny how you DO notice such gaps when it suits your sociopathy. With that delusional 12 year old brain of yours, you accused me recently of “hiding” because you just knew that the market was going against me. Well Glen knows better because he and I were talking the markets constantly during the days in question.
Why should I waste time dealing with your Daffy Duck ass when I can share info with someone who actually operates in the markets in real life as I do.
Notice that this Birdman jackass didn’t let Al’s serious circumstances stop him from stroking his ego in his comment to above where he stated “I suspected worse to tell the truth. Guess I was right.” Then he makes a crack about Al sounding “loaded.” THEN he starts in with me. Typical of a sociopath, he just has to get the spotlight on himself.
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Got that? The language used is totally over the top. It is no-holds barred and there is no restraint shown whatsoever. And is it any wonder the site is poisonous since the writer does this on almost every thread these days. I wish I could say the above abuse was the worst but it hardly comes close to all the other garbage the guy writes when the mood to abuse hits him. Yet people support him and take sides when he is his most venomous. I would not suggest blocking Matthew but you know what?….this site needs moderation to start catching some of this abusive nonsense before it gets posted and all our lives would be better for it. Can your program not handle flagging certain kinds of words and insults? Here is a summary of what was spewed at me without good cause last week
1) World class dirtball
2) Sociopath
3) Delusional 12 year old brain
4) Daffy Duck ass
5) Birdman jackass
6) Typical sociopath
7) Stroking his ego
Just the tip of the insult parade. There are hundreds more like it. Pathetic!
Matthew said: “While I’m at it, I consider it to be grade school behavior when presumably competent adults tolerate people that act, and interact with others, the way Birdman does”.
Please read the preceding post (above) that YOU wrote Matthew and start to take a little more responsibility for your filthy daily comments. I actually attempted to make peace with you a few days back but you squandered the opportunity.
So I have a suggestion. The library of prohibited words, insults, invective and cursing that can be controlled by this website should be substantially expanded to include the reams of insults the likes of you dish out at every opportunity.
Secondly, Heavy hitter should be immediately blocked and make that permanent because of all the discord he brings that is wrecking this site. Jerry meanwhile should be given a two week Sabbatical ban so he can reconsider whether he wants to add an inflammatory, irritating post at every single opportunity afforded him.
Lets put some teeth into controlling the daily invective. Enough with carrots when we actually need sticks.
Why am I not surprised that the self-absorbed NPD patient thought I was talking about him with respect to censorship.
Bob Moriarty was dead-on about this guy.
On October 6, 2014 at 5:27 pm,
Bob Moriarty says:
Birdman: I think it’s wonderful that you have taken such a strong stance against personal tirades. Especially after being man enough to admit you were totally wrong after issuing more personal tirades than the next five posters combined.
Does that mean you are apologizing to the board, to me and to Andrew?
On October 6, 2014 at 7:04 pm,
Bob Moriarty says:
Everybody hates me, nobody loves me, I’m going to eat a worm.
Poor, poor Birdman, he’s a victim. Let’s forgive and forget all the attacks he has made.
That post is more than six months old and is stale dated. Nor is it even applicable in today’s context. Furthermore it is not even your comment but rather one from a guy (Bob Moriarty) who is well known to make inflammatory off the cuff remarks.
So no credibility whatsoever, Matthew.
You have got to stop rehashing the past with old quotes which has become your modus-operandi. Some of the quotes you have used are out of date a year yet you bring them up repeatedly to salt old wounds.
You are without question the most abusive person I have ever known.
Stale? Not applicable? Wrong. No one has stirred things up here like you consistently have for the past two years. No one has attacked as many people here, including the guests, as you have either. If they’re fine with it, that’s their business. I’m not.
You only subtract value form this site with your make believe expertise on everything.
Stop nursing old wounds. You need to grow up and move on. The past is the past.
For the first time ever, you’re right about one thing: I need to move on. I’ve grown to really dislike that I’ve shared anything at all with people who think your cool.
Jody….thank goodness…for beautiful you….very well said…guys you know me like the back of your hand…I stay consistent to the truth…u guys do to…it has been a long, long brutal cyclical bear market…..we spend a lot of time on this blog…some of you A LOT more than me…lets get back to passionate thinking of the PM market, the SHIIFTING OF MAJOR GEOPOLITICAL TECHTONIC PLATES. We need to stick together – II AM SERIOUS – BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY AND THE GLOBAL WEB OF COMMUNCIATION – CHANGES ARE COMING AND REAL FAST!!…DE_DOLLARIZATION IS HERE AND NOW!! Lets deal with it together!! The average American -98% of the population – is going to have their lunch handed to them in the next 12 to 18 months – it will be ugly – feeled with social unrest, mass anxiety – a mass loss of perceived “PAPER WEALTH” and the ending of US hegemony….the government has played arrogant bully and now the world say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH……what the hell to do….lets keep the constructive, incredibly intelligent insight flowing – lets not get lost in dribble that doesnt help anybody…okie, dokie….smokies!!!…or non-smokies..ha!..:). BTW how do you guys make the yellow faces on the keyboard….??? HA!
I agree SD. Jody left a well timed and overdue post we should all heed. I feel I am constantly on the defensive lately. Half the regular posters are taking pot shots at every opportunity and nobody is learning anything anymore. The problem as I see it is that one or two people here are instigating division and sowing discord deliberately. They are baiting others who have an axe to grind or have past grievances and so they happily take the bait at each new opportunity to dog-pile with insults and invective where no offense even existed. It is really unbelievable and unacceptable at this point. If Chris has any influence he will ask Al to permanently block Heavy Hitter who has become the primary source of discord lately.
BIRD………..you are the DISCORD………………IF Jody was here as much as some of the other contributors….she would see for her self.
Contribute and stop complaining and insulting everyone…..just state your opinion and info.
Jerry,
With all due respect, I have read comments from several contributors that are disappointing to say the least. NOT because I am without faults or not because I think I am better than anyone else, but because I hear comments relating to Christianity and Scripture, but I don’t see those same people acting “Christlike”. Yes, we are only human, but I think it is our duty to attempt to provide civil behavior and kindness, even when others are disrespectful and attempt to insult our intentions.
May everyone on this site have a blessed Easter…even if they don’t agree with the occasion. Our lives change, whether thru the death of loved ones, lose of finances, loss of health. I believe we must all strive to be the best we can be and try to treat others with kindness, even if we don’t agree with their methods or opinions. If this belief makes me “arrogant” as I have been accused of being, then so be it!
Jody D
Jody,
With all due respect. I do not think you are here everyday. So, unless you have read may of the comments, from all parties, you can not imagine what has been going on.
My comment concerning contribute and stop complaining was directed to Bird.
I value your input, well said and do not stay away so long………Respectfully ….J.
I do agree with some of your comments.
SD Marc,
Always good to hear from you!
Hope your Family is well.
Thanks for your positive approach to responses given by others! You are a “Light” in an ever darkening world!
Jody D
Jody D…please dont take this other than a deep hug of friendship…L LOVE YOU! I wish I KNEW YOU HERE PERSONALLY IN SD…I LOVE HOW YOU TACKLE YOUR THOUGHTS AND PUT THEM INTO WORDS!! Outstanding…my fair LADY!
SD Marc ,
You are too kind! Thanks again and enjoy tomorrow with your loved ones.
Jody D
Jerry,
Thanks for your comment that was directed to me. I can’t link directly to it, so am adding this response at this point.
I am “old school”. While it is true, I may not have read all the comments over the past few weeks, I have read enough comments from all sides that do not sit well with me. I felt if I didn’t speak up about my concerns involving the decay of this great site, then that would make me guilty of being a part of what I felt was just plain wrong. Without speaking out against badgering, name calling, bullying, or whatever a person decides to call it, NOTHING will ever change.
I am not picking sides as to which group is right or wrong, it’s the “whole picture”
That is dimming. If others want the type of site this one is rapidly becoming, then I am the one that just needs to stop visiting it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Respectively ,
Jody D
Thanks Jody for the reply. I would agree with your comments…..Thanks for speaking up. Respectfully…………..J
Wishing Big Al et al A Happy Easter.
Good summary of agreement- non-agreement with Iran at:
https://youtu.be/3RSRSZQMXHQ
Yes, wishing Al a speedy recovery. Thanks CFS. We need to keep him in our minds. Al is a great man in my view and he has almost endless tolerance and an ability to forgive. If only we could all follow his lead.
Greece looks set to default April 9.
HOW TO BEAT INTERNET TROLLS……………today zerohedge.
J… -that article describes Birdman. He put up PLENTY of posts like this since day one:
On September 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm,
Bird Man says:
If I put a very fine point on that sharp stick I would say you are one very biggoted, extreme right wing, racist, anti-government, Fed bashing, Obama-hating, gold loving, money lusting loser. But I won’t say that today. You are a Reverend (of course). The worst and most despicable intolerant Christian I have ever had the honour to know. God loves you though.
But I don’t……code of Hamurabbi. Now piss off.
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Disappointingly, most here seem fine with it. Can’t have censorship ya know. They said so in the third grade. Duh…..
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-04/how-beat-internet-trolls
Oops, almost forgot. +1 😉 😮 🙂
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That post is 20 months old. How pathetic you felt you had to link it now.
Birdman 9…Matthew 0
🙂
Yup, 20 months is long enough to prove that you will never change. What a nasty thing you are.
MATTHEW ….I think I would agree with you….You have taken most of the hits, the last two years……Now he started on HH…..
Hi guys – I am not here to be everybodys friend….I am here to learn from you folks – lets try to stay on point and proceed….good nite and HAPPY EASTER…and lets celebrate the risen Christ….and passover……
Marc, staying on point is real easy without Bird around trying to cause problems. It’s disappointing that there is virtually no negative attention focused squarely on him where it belongs. There are obviously not many decent “analysts” here.
Too funny. Like you are a good analyst with your one directional full bull ideas. I could not stop laughing when I read that post. You must be Mr Special.
No Bird, I am Mr Special. Sorry
Please Bird, it was your idea to not get personal!
Context, Bird. Notice the little quotations around analysts? What I obviously meant was that people are quite dense if they believe that this site has ever had anyone as consistently disrespectful/rude/combative as you.
It’s one thing to ignore you, but those who look right past your nastiness and engage you, are endorsing your behavior and working against making this site more civilized and valuable.
We are all working to make this site more civil. Let’s start by not calling names anymore. I am making an effort. Now the ball is in your court.
It goes beyond names, Bird. You did not call me a name in your post that got problems started again, but face it, it was NOT meant to promote productive dialogue. Instead, it WAS meant to belittle me AND piss me off. (For the record, you’re the only one here that tells others they are wrong BEFORE it is actually true. You’ve done it to many.)
Try reading it while imagining that I wrote it in response to YOU and tell me that there wouldn’t have been words between us.
On April 3, 2015 at 12:12 pm,
Birdman says:
Whew! Totally wrong Matthew. What leads you to the conclusion you just posted? Martin who happens to be a very bright analyst has identified capital flows and sovereign (bond) defaults as the reason stocks will be bid up. He is absolutely 100% correct in my view. The money has got to go somewhere. The thesis he has put forward states that there will be a shift from public to private as confidence is lost in so-called safe assets like debt. This is after all the end of the credit / debt cycle. We have nearly peaked just as interest rates have bottomed. You need to look back in history and see what happened the last time the same set of circumstances arose to appreciate why he is correct.
Matthews
,
Perhaps you took it a bit personally
And, you ate way too smart for that!
Like I said earlier tonight “We are all working to make this site more civil. Let’s start by not calling names anymore”. That includes you especially as you have become quite abusive with your insults and name calling. I am trying hard to avoid responding in a similar fashion
Perhaps you will make an effort too. It can start right now if you choose.
You deserved every insult and more Bird.
Al, I realize that you have better things to do than to keep track of Bird’s very tiresome ways around here. So you get a pass for your lack of understanding. The guy is NO GOOD.
Nobody deserves the kind of abusive comments you have been handing out!!!
I have until now resisted the temptation to respond in kind to your copying of old comments and bringing them into the future. That is my way of keeping the peace and showing a little discipline by not salting old wounds. Perhaps you will show a little restraint as well.
It starts now Matthew. Do you really want to have this slugfest everyday? I sure don’t. Its a real distraction to the site and a waste of time. We can disagree with a little civility don’t you think?
Lets move on, man. Enough already.
Al, I don’t know what comments you are responding too. How do you post between the lines anyway?
Mathew –
As always thank you for the time and effort you put into this blog. I am just trying to steer people back into sometype of harmonious relationship where everybody can learn. Yes, acrimonious people make it difficult to say the least. But, until BIG Al steps in and ends it – what can we do. I say just ignore the provacators.
Well, will be nice to get back on topics to discern best approaches if any for the 9th.
A greek default might have some “rippling” effects.
My guess, the Russians may have some influence, the greeks may need a new currency, odds might be on the Drachma, why not the ruble? Longshot I guess.
Not long to wait bb. We are days away from getting the first clues about how it will all play out.
Birdman; you might be the only one here who can relate somewhat to this video.
Ethiopia a Mission Story – Walter Veith (35 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHCj19m2Fs
-not too preachy .. just Walter telling a story about his trip to Ethiopia.
Thanks Irwin. Those are very familiar scenes. Cattle and sheep on the road, horses and buggies, corrugated steel homes over mud and sticks and absolutely epic vehicular accidents. But the culture of friendliness towards foreigners and the welcome a traveler receives are beyond reproach.
Traveling from Israel to Egypt, through Sudan and onward to Ethiopia before arriving in Kenya is an experience everyone should have. It is like being in a cultural time capsule to see the vast differences in economies, religion and cultures in such a small region.
For example, on the religious front, those groupings are majority Judaism, Islam, Christianity and Anamist in that order and in each of the countries heading Southward from Tel Aviv to Nairobi.
Ethiopia is probably the most fascinating for a Westerner and it is easy to fit in if you are Christian in a land that claims to host the Ark of the Covenant. Religion is taken seriously there….not like back home. And Sundays are remarkable where you see hundreds (if not thousands during holidays) of people walking down dusty roads dressed in white from head to foot and then converging on the local places of worship.
But which of the countries are preferable? I don’t know that matters. They are each so unique in their own way it is difficult to convey to anyone who has not lived over here for any length of time.
I would just add Irwin, that if you are healthy enough to travel and you want to see Africa that you might consider putting Ethiopia at the top of your list. Forget the Giraffes, elephants and other typical tourists draws of the other Sub Saharan nations. That country is a must see for anyone who has a great love of history and the deep links with all the major religions. It is a tolerant country too. And I suspect it will entirely change your outlook on life once you had seen it and felt it in person. We take a lot for granted back home in Canada. Such a trip as this would be akin to stepping back in time a couple of hundred years to per-industrialization. And yet the contrasts are as stark as you could imagine anywhere. Ethiopia is perhaps the fastest developing poor nation on earth. It is within the grips of an economic boom that is quite surprising. The country is almost stone age in many regions and yet sparkling glass towers are cropping up in Addis like roses after a hard rain and a massive rail / road / electrification drive is finally putting the country on the cusp of breaking out of its century long experience with impoverishment. Best trip of your life…..I can guarantee it.
Try this instead Irwin. I think this video is more representative of Ethiopia for sights and sounds and how to country feels for a first time visitor. It hardly does justice to the incredible economic development that is currently underway though.
The video you put up is kind of slanted towards a negative view and the missionary leaves the impression there is zero development or growth. But then, he is probably trying to raise money for his own projects so that would explain why he only recorded scenes of poverty.
That view is very much out of touch with the truth these days. Kind of funny really…..but when you consider that Ethiopian Airlines is one of the worlds biggest buyers of the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner you might reconsider whether that country is really as backwards as some visitors suggest.
Believe me…there are excellent hotels there. And the food and music are outstanding.
Ethiopia — A Walta Production — 23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxwa4BVLjA
Thanks Birdman, I like watching this type of video from any part of the world.
I find it ironic that life in rural areas of these “cradles of mankind” would carry on as usual, if there ever is a worldwide economic collapse – either man made or because of a major natural event such as coronal mass ejection or super volcano eruption, while millions in First World “civilizations” would turn on each other within about three days.
You nailed it, Irwin. That is exactly the point I think. The rural and agrarian parts of these East African countries still represent the majority of people by a large margin. But the lack of technological use in the poorest areas mean that the world could literally fall apart and it would hardly register in people daily lives. Even the banking system is well immunized with its weak connections to the outside world so no domino effect would be seen there.
Sorry I was out of town last week and missed this but the actual reason Jesus was really ticked off was because people were charging outrageous fees for the people to buy animals that were required for sacrifice. That means little to us now, but basically, they were taking away the people’s ability to give God the worship with their possessions that they longed to give Him in their hearts. That is why Jesus was really ticked off. People traveled a long way in order to give God worship in the best way the knew how at the time, and the moneychangers were robbing them as they were trying to worship. Greed robbed people not only monetarily (even though they were poor), but for those who couldn’t pay, they were robbed of feeling like they could worship God.
Jesus did not object to bankers. He objected to the temple being used as a place of business.