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August 13, 2015

Desolation Row: The Silver Market

Silver peaked in 1980 and then crashed into “Silver Desolation Row” in 1999 – 2001, like now.

The 1970s decade was the time for commodity price increases and inflation.  The 1980s and 1990s saw a preference for paper assets and stocks, while commodities, gold, and silver prices collapsed.

Cycles and preferences change.  Silver was “bombed out” in “Silver Desolation Row” by 1999 – 2001.  Stocks were all the rage from 1982 – 2000.  But the NASDAQ could only be pushed so far and then reality intervened.

About like now….

Examine the chart of the silver to S&P 500 Index ratio.  Note the low in 2001 when silver was “bombed out” and scratching for a bottom in “Desolation Row.”

Y-SI-SP

The ratio looks about the same in 2015 – bombed out.  I haven’t heard people comment about silver that “you can’t give the stuff away,” but we must have been close in July.

Compare the ratio of silver to the San Francisco Housing Index (Case-Shiller data).  Again, silver looks “bombed out.”

Y-SI-SF housing

Compare the price of silver to the Population Adjusted National Debt of the U.S.  Again, silver looks “bombed out.”

Y-SI-PAND

From Bob Moriarty:

“What we can know is prices in relative terms. In absolute terms, the lowest price for silver since 1975 was $3.53 in 1993. In relative terms, silver hit $4.01 in November of 2001 and that was the lowest relative price in 5000 years. So in late 2001, silver was cheap. And I said so. In April of 2011 I saw silver getting nutso again as it did in January of 1980 and I said so.”

 “I was reading Steve Saville this weekend and he put in a really important chart. Steve is the publisher of The Speculative Investor and is brilliant. He is a must read. The chart was an inflation-adjusted graph of the Continuous Commodity Index. It used to be called the CRB. Going back to 1956, on an inflation basis, the CCI is the lowest it has ever been measured.”

 Note his two statements:

“…silver hit $4.01 in November of 2001 and that was the lowest relative price in 5000 years.”

 “Going back to 1956, on an inflation basis, the CCI is the lowest it has ever been measured.”

Silver was “bombed out” in 2001.  The same is true today.  The inflation adjusted CCI (all commodities index) is the lowest it has ever been measured.  It too is “bombed out.”

Will crude oil, silver and gold go even lower?  Ask the central banks and the High-Frequency-Traders!  But at some point, probably soon, even in our delusional financial world, it will occur to a significant number of people that:

  • Stock markets can be levitated for only so long. I think their “expiration date” has been passed or is close.
  • Silver prices are “bombed out” much like they were in 2001. Once the COMEX sellers are exhausted (or out of bullion) the buyers will dominate and silver prices will exit from “Desolation Row” and rally much higher.
  • Real money (gold and silver) will eventually dominate, as they should, over fiat currencies, digital equivalents, and “extend and pretend” central bank manipulations.
  • US money was formerly gold and silver coins. They were replaced by paper certificates.  Those were replaced by Federal Reserve Notes (debt) borrowed into existence.  Now the Fed “prints” the “money” by monetizing debt.  Could this process reset with a return to honest money – gold and silver – replacing the failing paper stuff?

Confidence is what holds the unbacked fiat currency system together.  Confidence can evaporate rapidly, though unpredictably.  When confidence fades real money, hard assets, and commodities, such as gold and silver, real estate, diamonds, and base metals, will shine.

There are numerous reasons to expect that the US stock markets might follow the Chinese markets downward, particularly by the end of the year.  A FEW possibilities are:  7 – 8 year cycles, extended valuations, excessive confidence, new wars, Chinese market crash, bond market reversal, interest rate increases, weak internals, Armstrong’s economic confidence cycles, and Shemitah cycles.

Silver has been crushed and the S&P has been levitated.  Both seem likely to turn soon.

Read Bill Holter:  “They Will Say “You Were Warned!

Gary Christenson

The Deviant Investor

Discussion
38 Comments
    cfs
    Aug 13, 2015 13:34 AM

    Nice charts, but probably fairly meaningless.

    The point is that silver went up iin price while Lodon was open, but came back down in price after London closed.
    London is showing it is out of silver bullets to shoot the price down. That’s the real story.

      Aug 13, 2015 13:53 AM

      Thanks CFS.

      We like Gary and post his material as some are interested.

        Aug 13, 2015 13:50 PM

        Some of Gary’s thoughts and observations are a little different and information to ponder. It’s nice to get a range of different ideas and then decide personally what is your investment thesis, you plan, and then (as LPG often says) your plan after the plan.

          Aug 13, 2015 13:19 PM

          Yeah, because reading metals porn propaganda is how to get a balanced view. Just one more fix baby and it will make the pain of all the losses go away. Christensen is relentless in his idiotic optimism. He is a metals pumper of the religious order. But keep reading him. I am sure it won’t cause any permanent damage! Ha!

          Anyway, its good to hear you guys think so highly of Gary. Apparently he does not feel the same way though because he does not list the Korelin Report on the sidebar of his favourite gold and silver sites.

            Aug 13, 2015 13:37 PM

            LOL, I’m sure Gary loses a lot of sleep when a delusional guy with zero credibility attacks his pant leg with the all the ferocity of a constipated chihuahua.

            Aug 14, 2015 14:11 AM

            Ha. Funny!

            Aug 14, 2015 14:26 AM

            PS Birdman – All I said was “Gary’s thoughts and observations are a little different and information to ponder”. The charts above are unique, as an example, although, they are not something I’m using to make trades off of. There are some interesting points to consider though.

            If you as one lonely guy in Africa don’t like what he writes then why to do you even come here? Why don’t you just skip over it and move on to the next blog? It’s not that difficult. In addition, if you constantly point out you have no money invested in gold and don’t care which way it goes, then why do you even come to a forum based on the resource sector? It seems a bit odd.

            Lastly BirdListener, you really crack me up assuming that everyone took these huge losses in PMs just because they are on a precious metals blog….(just like Original JJ always did). There are a number of people that have posted on this blog that made money shorting Gold/Silver with DUST, JDST, and ZSL. They’ve also made money going long on the counter-trend bear-market rallies.

            Example: I’ve had a rocking last 2 weeks making thousands of dollars trading gold miners. They aren’t all good trades, and I’ve made dumb moves that cost me dearly, but I’ve been pretty open about losses as well in the past few years and call myself out on bad trades. More often sell too early limiting gains, but I’ve been candid about my mistakes. However, I’ve discussed trades openly that were small and big winners. I can’t think of times where you discussed what trades you were making and how they worked out…..mostly you just criticize anyone else’s posts and pontificate. Maybe if you spent more time in the market making money, and less time attacking Gary you’d have made some money for turtle food this week.

            Just a thought…..and if you don’t like it then keep scrolling dude.

    CFS
    Aug 13, 2015 13:01 PM

    I like Gary. He is right. The charts do indicate it is about time for a turnaround in silver.
    However, a price-driven turn-around is only a valid concept if you believe manipulation is not dominant. I believe most prices are manipulated by Governments or hedge funds most of the time nowadays. I no longer believe in totally free markets.

      Aug 13, 2015 13:47 PM

      DITTO

      Aug 14, 2015 14:43 AM

      CFS:

      If you want totally free markets you need to move to Zimbabwe. Throughout history all financial markets have been manipulated and I’m pleased to see lots of other writers have come around to that conclusion.

      If you can’t cope with the concept of manipulation, perhaps you should give up investing.

        Aug 14, 2015 14:12 AM

        BOB you are to funny…………………

          Aug 14, 2015 14:13 AM

          What is funny………..that if we knew 10 yrs ago it was out of control and manipulated we would have opened a web site. and gone into the books and tape club.

    CFS
    Aug 13, 2015 13:45 PM
    CFS
    Aug 13, 2015 13:48 PM

    Kerry visits Cuba tomorrow!

    I hope he wakes up after being so out-maneuvered by Iran.

      Aug 14, 2015 14:47 AM

      CFS:

      Darned straight. He only got Iran to give up 98% of their uranium and he should have stuck to his guns and demanded Iran give up 200% of their uranium as Israel demanded.

      The Iran issue gives every American the opportunity to prove if they have been brainwashed or not. How does one comment on a fictional nuclear weapons program and ignore a very real nuclear weapons program at the same time?

      If you have been pimped out by Israel, raise your right hand.

    CFS
    Aug 13, 2015 13:54 PM
      Aug 13, 2015 13:18 PM

      cfs…Hello…Thanks for the link a good listen.

    Aug 13, 2015 13:15 PM

    $6 over spot…………eagles ……at apmex…………….

      Aug 13, 2015 13:21 PM

      Gild or silver?

      Aug 13, 2015 13:22 PM

      Jerry….Just goes to show , there are a lot of people out there with faith in silver to continue buying , at these high premiums……Best of health to you.

        Aug 13, 2015 13:30 PM

        ditto….glad to hear from you………….Best to health to you.

        Aug 13, 2015 13:31 PM

        One day the price of physical completely detach from future. People will ignore COMEX. Comex will have a çhoice of limiting delivery or raise the price and kill the shorts.

          Aug 13, 2015 13:32 PM

          COMEX IS A SCAM………………NAKED OR NOT…………..

            Aug 13, 2015 13:36 PM

            Whole year’s delivery in Comex equals two weeks that of shanghai and it sets the price. It is completely wrong

            Aug 13, 2015 13:37 PM

            agree………….

            Aug 13, 2015 13:39 PM

            SOMEONE LIKE KYLE BASS ……..needs to fork up $400 mill and raid the joint……

            Aug 13, 2015 13:40 PM

            THE price could go to $100 per oz over nite………………..

    Aug 13, 2015 13:21 PM

    Gold or silver?

    Aug 13, 2015 13:04 PM

    I HATE TO SAY IT……………..BUT……….
    LAST WEEK…..I reported ON THE STREET……that my dealer was sold out.
    Two people reported, they could buy all they wanted….and there was no shortage.
    Miles Franklin is reporting a shortage.
    APMEX…is jacking up prices.
    Then I must be crazy (do not answer that)…But, I think there is a SHORTAGE.
    OF course there is not a NAKED SHORTAGE, unless you have a robe on, or a hood over your head………….Just plain ……………………………………OOTB.

      Aug 14, 2015 14:52 AM

      GOLD ……………………………
      AS an added note.
      BOB M. ……STATES …..there is a 53 YR. SUPPLY OF GOLD.

      Aug 14, 2015 14:50 AM

      FFM:

      Everyone selling silver with spot at $14.50 had to have paid a lot higher price. Are you really surprised that they want to restrict demand. None of those guys hedge and if they sell at near spot, they go out of business. The mythical shortage will disappear and the silver will magically show up on the shelves as soon as spot moves up.

        Aug 14, 2015 14:06 AM

        BOB M.

        Thanks for the reply.

        “Everyone selling ……..had to have paid a lot higher price.” ….you say
        That is an assumption. NOT a fact. But, a logical one , assuming this is a logical
        market , which I question.
        I am not SURPRISED by anything concerning survival of a business.
        The MYTHICAL SHORTAGE……….might be the real question,
        We will see.
        Thanks again for the reply

          Aug 14, 2015 14:08 AM

          Btw…….I have done business with APMEX before, and not totally surprised at their business practices………jmo