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Where will the gold drop stop?

Cory
October 6, 2016

Doc is with us today to cover the continued fall in gold prices as well as the rising oil price. Gold is down to just above $1,250 and stocks are selling off along with this down move. Oil is also continuing its move higher with crude breaking above $50 a barrel. How long will these moves continue?

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    Oct 06, 2016 06:19 AM

    How Low Can You Go – Gold Limbo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPuVFWiyhY

      Oct 06, 2016 06:20 PM

      Well, since most Gold producers (Majors, Mid-Tiers, Small) and the Near-term Gold Development projects went into the RED today or were flat, it is important to note the companies that bucked the trend and investors bid them higher today despite the macro backdrop of falling metals prices.

      40.45% PATAGONIA GOLD PLC PATAF
      14.04% INCEPTION MINING INCORPORATED IMII
      8.73% ORVANA MINERALS CORPORATION ORVMF
      8.52% EL CAPITAN PRECIOUS METALS INC ECPN
      3.08% JAGUAR MINING INC JAGGF
      2.87% PILOT GOLD INC PLGTF
      1.81% MX GOLD CORPORATION MXLGF
      1.07% TMAC RESOURCES INCORPORATED TMMFF
      1.00% NAUTILUS MINERALS INC NUSMF
      0.70% MANDALAY RESOURCES CORPORATION NEW MNDJF
      0.58% CENTAMIN PLC CELTF
      0.48% TIMMINS GOLD CORPORATION TGD
      0.19% CHINA GOLD INTERNATIONAL RESOURCES CORP JINFF
      0.15% MEXUS GOLD US MXSG

        Oct 06, 2016 06:24 PM

        BTW – There were no primary Major Gold producers that were in the Green today.

          Oct 06, 2016 06:37 PM

          Those are the only winners today out of about 150 Gold producer developer stocks.

          Glad I had exposure to 4 of those. 😉

            CFS
            Oct 06, 2016 06:06 PM

            Darn, I had some low bids in for Orvana and jaguar.

            Oct 06, 2016 06:58 PM

            I have a nice free ride position in Jaguar, but have considered buying more and raising my cost basis to just very low because I see it getting re-rated substantially.

            As for Orvana, I’ve been eyeballing it for a while and made throw a small position in place.

            I still have a small core position in Mandalay Resources that I’ve been trading in and out of over time. Sometimes I get a better dividend than others, but they are such a great and little known company.

            Cheers!

            Oct 06, 2016 06:09 PM

            P.S. – I still tip my hat to you CFS for bringing Mandalay Resources to my attention in the first place.

            Many thanks.

    Oct 06, 2016 06:28 AM

    Nice one Ex.

    Oct 06, 2016 06:37 AM

    THE PAIN! THE PAIN!!

    Oct 06, 2016 06:42 AM

    Blood bath coming to end…..=$1250….bottom ends decline this week,early next week…per GS

      Oct 06, 2016 06:38 PM

      Yes…will be interesting to see who is right. Gary sees us testing this years highs in November.

        Oct 06, 2016 06:12 PM

        Gary is smoking something. There is not enough time left in the year to do that. 1200 or near is almost a given. Once the interest rate hike has been announced buyers, a rally could start.

        Oct 06, 2016 06:30 PM

        Maybe he read b’s post on pot stocks,and decided to snoop around.

          Oct 06, 2016 06:34 PM

          The future is a bit hazy…..

            Oct 06, 2016 06:01 PM

            G….is (s) pot on

    Oct 06, 2016 06:01 PM

    U.S. plans to stockpile more Lithium compounds used in Batteries
    Wed Oct 5, 2016 – Reuters

    “The U.S. Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) said it has a mandate to buy 600 kg of lithium cobalt oxide (LCO) and 2,160 kg of lithium nickel cobalt aluminium oxide (NCA) in the fiscal year starting Oct. 1.

    The amounts were detailed by the DLA in its Annual Materials Plan for financial year 2016-2017, which runs from October to September, published on its website this week.

    They are double the 300 kg of LCO and 1,080 kg of NCA it was mandated to buy in the 2015-2016 fiscal year.

    Both compounds are used to make lithium-ion batteries. LCO batteries are used for mobile phones and laptops and NCA batteries are used for electric vehicles.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/lithium-us-stockpiles-idUSL8N1AW3NN

    CFS
    Oct 06, 2016 06:03 PM

    I’m concerned by the amount of corporate borrowing going on in order to maintain high dividends.
    Clearly, this goes on and can go on for quite a while, in order to smooth out fluctuations in sales figures, etc. However, if we have a sustained economic stagnation, such borrowing will stop. Dividends will drop the once a significant stock market fall happens this will be extended, by the drop in corporate borrowing and, indeed, having to pay back debt.

      Oct 06, 2016 06:24 PM

      Thanks Xriva. That is interesting and relevant.

      I’ve enjoyed our energy discussions on Uranium, Lithium, Solar over at ceo lately.

      Cheers!

        CFS
        Oct 06, 2016 06:18 PM

        Interestingly today, the U.K. Government overrode protests and a county court order to allow permits to be given for fracking for shale gas in Lancashire, England.

    Oct 06, 2016 06:29 PM

    If natural gas supply really is that tight, what would be some good natural gas plays ?

      Oct 06, 2016 06:37 PM

      I have a substantial watch-list of Oil & Gas companies but it is too big to post here without the haters coming out of the woodwork. I haven’t pruned it down enough to have just a few top picks at this point, because I shelved my research on Oil/Gas earlier in the year.

      There is the United States Natural Gas Fund, LP (UNG)

      For short term trading only I’ve used the leveraged ETFs – (GASL) and (GASX).

      For general Oil & Gas exposure from larger, smaller, and service companies I generally just us (XLE) (XOP) and (OIH) There are some nat gas companies in the mix, and some companies producer or explore for both Oil and Gas.

      CFS
      Oct 06, 2016 06:24 PM

      I don’t know if the report on gas supplies is true. I remember a statement made a few years ago that at normal transmission pressures, there are 3 to 5 days supplies in the pipes before the pressure drops to zero. (Depending on the system and location, and that was a report in mid winter, made after there had been some pope had broken, or pressure drop or something like that.)-

    Oct 06, 2016 06:09 PM

    I agree with Doc that while will not go over $60. However, things can happen in the fourth quarter. I believe that we will still see $1500 gold and $25 silver. I am expecting a volatile precious metals market in the next few weeks. It’s all about the dollar. Today, it is testing that long trendline. If it breaks below the trendline after doing this, look out. $89 will be coming. I understand what Doc sees but I am already preparing for a surge in precious metals. When gold and oil hit those higher targets, they are going to pull the rug out of this bull market. I still believe that a deflationary bust is coming that will take gold down to $500 and silver to single digits. And yes, the SPX will go below 666.

      Oct 06, 2016 06:10 PM

      oil not go over $60, not ”while”

      Oct 06, 2016 06:50 PM

      +1

      Oct 06, 2016 06:11 PM

      Velma,
      For the last few years I’ve had gold hitting the mid to upper 500s as the low. I have technical and fundamental reasons for that. Currently, I doubt it’s going that low. I would like to hear why you think it’s going that low. Thanks

    Oct 06, 2016 06:18 PM

    60 is the target I have had for a long time for this year and higher next year. I have been buying the dips while people have been targeting the 30’s.

    Oct 06, 2016 06:25 PM

    EX. off topic….have you been to BlackBerry Farms in Tennessee….thanks OOTB

      Oct 06, 2016 06:33 PM

      No I haven’t. However, I just checked out their website. The photo tour looks amazing, but the Smokies are beautiful about anywhere you go.

      http://www.blackberryfarm.com/about/tour

        Oct 06, 2016 06:40 PM

        What Makes the Smoky Mountains Smoky?
        by Jason Fishman. Posted on April 26, 2016

        http://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/what-makes-the-smoky-mountains-smoky/

          Oct 06, 2016 06:56 PM

          My folks are from Tennessee, org.family 1760

            Oct 06, 2016 06:54 PM

            Wow – true Volunteers.

          Oct 06, 2016 06:25 PM

          A lot of pot was smoked there in the early days.

            Oct 06, 2016 06:54 PM

            That is it Bonzo Barzini – Soon enough there will be smoky mountains all through Canada.

          CFS
          Oct 06, 2016 06:26 PM

          Mist among very dark green foliage.

        Oct 06, 2016 06:44 PM

        Thanks…we have been going to Big Cedar Lodge at Table Rock Lake south of Branson Mo for last several years for Thanksgiving, and were looking for a change and someone suggested BlackBerry,….and I thought you might know….thanks again…..OOTB

          Oct 06, 2016 06:48 PM

          It looks awesome OOTB. Again, anywhere in the Smokies is great for R&R. I’ve spent a great deal of time in them – stunned by the landscapes. Right now when the trees are starting to change is simply breathtaking.

          Pictures of the Smoky Mountains in the Fall:

          https://www.google.com/search?q=smoky+mountains+in+the+fall&biw=1536&bih=888&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiCt5i2hsfPAhVFOD4KHaiaAPoQ_AUIBigB

            CFS
            Oct 06, 2016 06:35 PM

            They are beautiful. Wish I could see well enough to drive. Been there often in mid- summer, but never in fall foliage time. That beat New Hampshire or Quebec foliage….

            Oct 06, 2016 06:48 PM

            Maybe we could get OWL to spring for an investors retreat weekend, and hire a limo, drive Knoxville to Waynesboro via the Blue ridge parkway and Gatlinburg.

            Oct 06, 2016 06:53 PM

            Now you are talking OOTB!

            The KER Investor Retreat. Pop in, talk stocks, take a load off your feet. 🙂

            Oct 06, 2016 06:55 PM

            But ,then again the Rocky Mountains is another subject, maybe a train ride to and through the Canadian Rockies would look better as a tax deduction.

            Oct 06, 2016 06:01 PM

            We’ll get OWL some black bear meat and some dandelion wine and spring the Bill on him later

            Oct 06, 2016 06:12 PM

            Ha ha! A Perfect Plan!

            Oct 06, 2016 06:48 PM

            October Fest in the Smokies…

            Oct 06, 2016 06:54 PM

            Irish just called and said he wanted to be the limo drive, he has a free weekend off in October seems the queen will be out of town.

            Oct 06, 2016 06:08 PM

            With IrishTony as our limo-driver up the winding roads of the Smoky Mountains, and drinking Oktoberfest beers at high altitudes……. What could possibly go wrong?

            Color me there…….

    Oct 06, 2016 06:40 PM

    http://bit.ly/2dW7gNv Keep it simple.

      Oct 06, 2016 06:42 PM

      Good dollar chart Velma. Do you expect the USD to break above that trendline on the wedge, or do you think it will get reflected back down and continue into a narrowing apex?

        Oct 07, 2016 07:27 AM

        break back down

    Oct 06, 2016 06:50 PM

    Keith Schaeffer of oil and Gas Investments Bulletin has been talking a lot about Nat Gas. 92 drill rigs turning now versus over 1600 in 2008, massive exports to Mexico now and a number of export facilities being constructed right now. He also talks about one day of reserves of Nat Gas in the U.S. Not a lot obviously. Corey, would consider some ongoing coverage on Nat Gas and Nat Gas companies like Advantage Oil and Gas and Peyto (low- cost producers)?

    Ron
    Oct 06, 2016 06:18 PM

    Doc you talk like a man analyzing a market. The problem is that gold and silver are no longer a market. So you believe that this week when China is closed and DB is hitting the wall all the gold investors decided to sell? Yes and I have a bridge to sell you. You say it will take a long time to repair this damage (to gold and silver). I say it will take as long as it takes to get to the next crisis. War with Russia, DB insolvency, Italy leaving the EU, Trump as president. Something will come along as this is not a market but an unstable manipulated excuse where there is no price discovery only fraud. Ask Wells Fargo.

      Oct 06, 2016 06:57 PM

      Ron – Bingo. You hit it on the head. Too much corruption from the Wall Street carnival barkers for anyone to be able to attribute this move to technical analysis. The interesting thing is…the chartists, according to their own theory, feel that the charts account for all factors that impact on a price. But nonetheless, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

        Oct 06, 2016 06:39 PM

        Yes, everything shows up on a chart. What we do with it is up to us. Leading up to Tuesday’s plunge, you can see negative divergences, weakening momentum/strength and, maybe most importantly, Monday’s close below the 100 day MA and 89 day EMA. Yesterday, we saw a bounce precisely from a fork support and now we have a close below the 200 day MA and 233 day EMA so tomorrow should see more selling and a new low. It should also see bargain hunters and short covering so I will watch the price action, volume, etc. for signs of a significant reversal.
        I still maintain that the violence of the move could be our friend in that such scary action can shorten the time needed to reach a low as people capitulate.

        http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24GOLD&p=D&yr=1&mn=2&dy=0&id=p95400853570&a=443006542

    CFS
    Oct 06, 2016 06:29 PM
      Oct 06, 2016 06:30 PM

      Agreed. Please see my Mandalay Resources comment to you at the top.

      You da man CFS!

    Oct 07, 2016 07:21 AM

    The world’s largest gold project (Seabridge Gold), just got a whole lot bigger
    Frik Els | about 16 hours ago

    “The PEA calls for mill throughput of 170,000 tonnes per day, 40,000 tonnes more than the earlier study which Seabridge says can be done without significant redesign of facilities. Initial capital costs have been increased by just less than 10% to $5.5 billion.

    In the PEA the bulk of the operations are moved underground and using the block-cave method Seabridge says it can reduce waste rock by a whopping 81% or 2.4 billion tonnes over the 51 year life of the mine.

    By vastly increasing the amount of copper mined life of mine operating costs are now a negative $179 an ounce while all-in costs fall to just $358 an ounce.

    Measured and Indicated Mineral Resources at KSM are estimated at 2.9 billion tonnes grading 0.54 grams per tonne gold, 0.21% copper and 2.7 grams per tonne silver which translates into 49.8 million ounces of gold, 13.6 billion pounds of copper and 253 million ounces of silver.

    During the first seven years of operation annual gold output would top 1 million ounces and life of mine annual production is estimated at 592,000 ounces of gold, 286,000 pounds of copper and 2.8 million ounces of silver.”

    http://www.mining.com/the-worlds-largest-gold-copper-project/

    Oct 07, 2016 07:12 AM

    Doc you finally made the right call on gold. Congrats. took some time but you finally got one. Now your saying gold isnt going over 1300 for the rest of the year. I dont think thats a good call. kinda reminds me of your call last december 1100 top for 2016.