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How long will the gold bull market last?

Cory
November 2, 2016

The founder and editor of The Daily Gold website, Jordan Roy-Byrne shares his thoughts on the gold market. We first address the fact that this recent gold move has surprised him but most of this is due to changes in the election narrative. We look further out to next year when we have the election and December Fed meeting behind us and assess just how long this bull market could go for.

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50 Comments
    Nov 02, 2016 02:47 AM

    first of all the title of this is very insulting.

    lets be clear, gold has been in a SECULAR BEAR MARKET for 5 years.

    the correct title should be when will we know if this short term bounce THIS YEAR is the end of the bear market and start of a new one.

    there’s nothing to see here!

      Nov 02, 2016 02:03 PM

      No James, gold just completed a cyclical bear market within a much larger secular bull market.

      For those who can view a monthly chart, the secular bull market is clearly intact and looks great:
      http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24GOLD&p=M&yr=16&mn=3&dy=13&id=p19644363408&a=444945811

        Nov 02, 2016 02:13 PM

        You could say the gold bull market began over a century ago with the creation of the Federal Reserve.

          Nov 02, 2016 02:48 PM

          Yes, that’s clear on a 100 year chart.

        Nov 02, 2016 02:15 PM

        Matthew… CORRECT

        Nov 02, 2016 02:29 PM

        Agreed Matthew. The Secular bull started in 2000-2001 and will continue on for some time. The Cyclical Bear was 2011- Dec 2015 (Jan 19th, 2016 for the miners). Now we are simply resuming a new Cyclical Gold Bull inside of the larger Secular Gold Bull.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:48 AM

    What the FED giveth the FED will take away.

    No change in interest rates for November, more propaganda they a re coming

    GOLD SINKS ON THE NEWS

    SAME OLE SAME OLE

    Nov 02, 2016 02:53 AM

    and ps I didn’t even bother to listen to the interview, after the title I knew where it was going.

    And this guy has been all over the map and two steps behind for years now

    Nov 02, 2016 02:02 PM

    same ole same ole…

    no rate increase in November, but its coming.

    don’t know when, don’t know how much, but it coming.

    WE can raise rates, we are ready to raise rates, we might raise rates, but we wont, but we could,

    release the hounds now to go all over the world on our dime and keep blathering about how a rate hike in December is coming and how the economy is improving.

    5 weeks of this propaganda ought to knock gold back down $100 bucks.

    here we go loop de loo, here we go loop de la…

    GOLD D-
    SILVER F

    b
    Nov 02, 2016 02:03 PM

    I dont know JTL, Ive followed this guy for awhile, he doesnt seem like a “pumper” to me.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:24 PM

    Cory – Thanks for having Jordan Roy-Byrne on the KER today.

    I regularly enjoy watching his video presentations posted on Palisade Radio, read the articles at his site (and have for years), and check out his occasional comments he posts on CEO.

    _________________________________________________________________________
    Here was a recent post:

    Video: One Gold Relationship to Watch
    10/31/2016 | Jordan Roy-Byrne CMT, MFTA | Featured, Media, Video Update
    https://thedailygold.com/video-one-gold-relationship-watch/

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Jordan calls it like he sees it (both bearish and bullish) and he is not just a “pumper”. I respect that he is his own man and isn’t typically influenced by the hype. Jordan also has great analog charts showing other bear markets and bull markets that are quite helpful in digesting longer time spans. His technical analysis is very good overall, and if anyone has been following him for a while they’d know it.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:42 PM

    He’s not a pumper.

    He’s just been wrong a lot, both ways

    Nov 02, 2016 02:45 PM

    Does not look good for Gold tomorrow. Don’t like the weakness of miners in contrast to a strong day for the metal.

      Nov 02, 2016 02:00 PM

      A number of miners that were bullish earlier in the day have turned bearish towards the later part of the day, so investors took the opportunity to sell some into the strength. Makes sense to lighten the load a bit into the uncertainty.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:45 PM

    Matthew just because you keep saying something doesn’t make it so.

    This has been a secular bear market for 5 years, undisputed

    Except for those who can’t admit it

    Many minig stocks were destroyed 90% that is a bear and a brutal one at that

    You can keep saying it but it’s just not so

    Until we have confirmation we are in a BEAR MARKET

    Most people know this except the PUMPERS, gold bugs, and the ones who refuse to admit they were wrong

      Nov 02, 2016 02:03 PM

      That’s right, James, it’s the facts that make it so. You are obviously not interested in learning if, after all your years in the sector, you still think that 5 years = a secular trend — “undisputed” even, lol…

      “An adjective used to describe a long-term time frame, usually at least 10 years…
      A secular bull market will have bear market periods within it, but it will not reverse the overlying trend of upward asset values. For example, most economists agree that U.S. equities were in a secular bull market from about 1980 to 2000, even though the stock market crash of 1987 occurred within the same time period.”
      — Investopedia

        Nov 02, 2016 02:14 PM

        There are some interesting comments in the article below about how the Secular and Cyclical Bull/Bear markets can also be measured in Distance versus Time, which is an interesting twist on cycles…….

        ________________________________________________________________

        Mining For Gold; Cyclical vs. Secular Market Cycles
        By VW Staff on October 8, 2016

        http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/10/secular-market-cycles/

    Nov 02, 2016 02:47 PM

    I’m not even goi g to post for a while

    Not productive

    Debating the same old crap

      Tad
      Nov 02, 2016 02:22 PM

      Great.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:54 PM

    For anyone who can count to 5 and has the mentality greater than a handball…

    The most optimistic projections for gold I’ve heard is $1900 in 4 years time.

    And these projections are more outlier.

    Even if these projections come to pass that would mean it will have taken almost 10 years to get back to the old high.

    10 years of flat.

    And that’s even if it happens.

    Gold and silver were the worst investment possible and unless some radical radical change happens very very soon they will continue to be so.

    If people want to dispute that point I can’t help them.

      Tad
      Nov 02, 2016 02:22 PM

      Oh…. 🙁

    Nov 02, 2016 02:12 PM

    Here we go again

    I remember whengold was in a bull market guys like Jim Rogers started talking about the “commodity super cycle” and how commodity super cycles last on average 17 years, I guess he got that from investopdia too.

    Of course commodities crashed long before that and he looked very foolish.

    People would be much better off if they just keep it a lot simpler.

    We were in a bull for 11 years
    We are in a bear for 5 years

    Unless people can’t see the forest for the trees

    Nov 02, 2016 02:28 PM

    Friends, there is obviously no point in trying to reason with JTL, so lets don’t go there. An old saying goes that you cant reason a person out of a position that they did not reason themselves into!

    As for gold and silver being a bad investment—-I bought my first gold coins in 2004 for $425. Today that coin is worth about $1,250 and I bought many in the following years and much silver also. I paid $7.50 for my first ounces of silver.

      Nov 02, 2016 02:43 PM

      +1

        b
        Nov 02, 2016 02:48 PM

        Look at the bright side, if you guys keep “reasoning” with jtl you will chase him away.
        Isnt that the point? To chase away anyone that thinks differently than yourselves?

          Nov 02, 2016 02:55 PM

          That’s not the point at all, B. James just doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Should I respect someone who insists that up is down? Criminal nutters on the left might think so but they also believe that “feelings” matter more than facts. Sorry, they don’t.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:40 PM
    Nov 02, 2016 02:47 PM

    Priced in gold, the 30 year U.S. T-Bond is sitting right on the neckline of a big head and shoulders top. When the pattern is activated, gold will do well and the miners will go apeshit. It doesn’t matter to me if it takes two more weeks or two more months.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24USB%3A%24GOLD&p=W&yr=5&mn=11&dy=13&id=p01561216199&a=464882778

    Nov 02, 2016 02:48 PM

    John, it is YOU who cannot be reasoned with, mostly because you don’t think for yourself.

    Using your own experience wi gold I will show you how foolish your position is..

    I’m 2004, the year you bought your first coin at $425 if you had take the same $425 and bought Apple stock, which at the time was selling for $22 a share you could have bought 19 shares.

    In February of 2005 Apple split 2-1 giving you 38 shares.
    In June of 2914 Apple split 7-1 giving you 266 shares.

    Today Apple is trading at $111 per share.

    266 x 111 = $29526

    So if you bought gold in 2004 you have $1250 bucks.
    If you bought Apple you have $29000 bucks

    AND THAT DOESNT EVEN INCLUDE THE DIVIDENDS!!!

    You also don’t mention how much you paid for any silver you purchased after your first ounces.

    I will bet you dollars for donuts your under water with most of those.

    So before you talk about reason why don’t you start reasoning for yourself and thinking for yourself

      Nov 02, 2016 02:49 PM

      -1 😐

      b
      Nov 02, 2016 02:30 PM

      Sounds like logical reasoning to me JTL.

      Mathew, further up you were saying JTL doesnt know what he is talking about.
      uuummmmm, I think he gives just one of many examples.

      I think gold has a roll to play in a portfolio, but geez, wouldnt it “blow” to have had 100% gold instead of 5-10% in JTLs example?

      Gold has its roll, but trying to make it out to be more than what it is, is kinda silly.

      What is truly “silly” is chasing away people with a broader perspective.
      People that see a bigger picture.

      Sure own some phyzz, but the time comes when most people have enough.
      Play PM shares, they can be profitable due to volatility etc

      But there sure has been opportunities that paid a great deal more than PMs over the years.

        Nov 02, 2016 02:57 PM

        Of course it sounds logical to you, B. What you and James obviously don’t understand is that it is moronic to compare gold to Apple shares in 2004. Gold competes with sovereign debt/currencies. It is money and the safest asset on earth. You two seem to think that big gains and low risk go hand in hand — if you’re thinking at all.

        I am not chasing anyone away. If James doesn’t want a reply, he shouldn’t comment in the first place.

        What is truly silly can be found in your mirror.

        Lol, etc.

          b
          Nov 02, 2016 02:43 PM

          Well, guess you plain dont get it Mathew.

          Interesting to see just how quick you turn to insults.
          You always were quick to insult.

          I do understand, tuff to have people disagree sometimes.

            Nov 02, 2016 02:24 PM

            I get it perfectly and your cluelessness is insulting. Maybe you should learn how to read JTL’s comments accurately. The guy whines for attention like a two year old, and, like you, he’s completely unreasonable.

            Furthermore, you started the insults with your usual “it’s kinda silly” bullshit.

            You’re quite a character, b.

            b
            Nov 03, 2016 03:44 AM

            more insults? what a surprise.

            what was that saying? the first person to attack is the first person to run out of ideas?
            hmmm lol

            Nov 03, 2016 03:00 AM

            You’re ridiculous dude.

    Nov 02, 2016 02:50 PM

    +2

    Can you count that high?

      Nov 02, 2016 02:51 PM

      -1 🙁

    Nov 02, 2016 02:21 PM

    For any investors that would have taken a position in Pi in 2004 it would still be:

    3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196442881097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160943305727036575959195309218…..

    http://www.piday.org/million/

    Nov 02, 2016 02:20 PM

    JTL,

    Please post your receipts here to this site showing that you bought EITHER gold, silver or Apple in 2004.

    b
    Nov 02, 2016 02:37 PM

    lol John.
    Should people that bought houses,apartment buildings,farmland etc post papers?

    It was an example, nothing more.

      GH
      Nov 03, 2016 03:23 AM

      It’s hardly an impressive insight to find asset A that outperformed asset B over some time period, and say ‘See, asset B is not the only worthwhile investment’.

    Nov 03, 2016 03:28 AM

    I love when people point to some stock and say look if you bought this you would have made way more then using it to buy gold. How stocks are there in total? How likely are you to pick the big winner over time? How likely to pick a loser stock or even one that goes belly up? Gold is a currency and you get more of it when you feel the need to go to cash along with cash too of course.

      Nov 03, 2016 03:29 AM

      Great points Murphy!

    Nov 07, 2016 07:12 AM

    How about the weather?