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Are the New York Times and Washington Post doing a disservice to America? What do you think?

Big Al
February 20, 2017

David Brooks (a regular columnist for The new York Times and Timothy Egan a New York Times columnist each wrote op-eds which I read in The Seattle Times last night. “A surreal one-mnth progress report” by Eagan  and “What a failed Trump administration looks like” by Brooks. Read them and let me know if you think that they are “fair and balanced”

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62 Comments
    Feb 20, 2017 20:13 PM

    LAW is for dowse how can pay to pay ! Vatican Law ! The World Money System Law !

      Feb 20, 2017 20:21 PM

      Slaves ! Pay the law and Obey the law and the Money system make the law ! Slaves ! 1 monopolizing slave Game !

    Feb 20, 2017 20:40 PM

    The Rich no care the law the poor no pay the law ! Enjoy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxE14d_HQ8U

    Feb 20, 2017 20:41 PM

    Common Franky, please use better grammar and make your points clearer. Thank you.

    Feb 20, 2017 20:12 PM

    How the gold scam works……
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/infographic-bullion-banking-mechanics
    If you must own gold…The for fecks sake Keep It At Home.

    AJ
    Feb 20, 2017 20:36 PM

    I assume you can call chaos when you see it, it is unlike any administration before. They look totally unprepared. Off 600 appointments less than 10% are filled. All the ambassadors were kicked out on Jan 20th, only a handful have been replaced – the US is flying blind. Get some professionals and experts in asap.
    All allies are bewildered and hesitant of sharing vital intelligence with all the mixed signals.

    Trump Has No Foreign Policy
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/trump-has-no-foreign-policy-214797

      Feb 20, 2017 20:52 PM

      The forefathers were wise
      George Washington said…..Stay out of Foreign entanglements..

        Feb 20, 2017 20:53 PM

        Break the trend of the IMC

        Feb 20, 2017 20:21 PM

        I personally agree very strongly with George!

      Feb 20, 2017 20:21 PM

      AJ,

      My friend, these are certainly interesting times.

      In spite of these “interestint “interesting times” the new administration could certainly use some support from the press.

      But, I don’t see that happening and, as you know, I am pretty sure that I know why that is the case.

    Feb 20, 2017 20:52 PM
      Feb 20, 2017 20:57 PM

      The same Game In CHINA !!!! Soooo The Same Central Bank Money STOP THE USA PUMP ! You’re Slaves !!!!

    CFS
    Feb 20, 2017 20:57 PM

    Ans Sweden claims Trump lies about their immigrant problem!

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expressen.se%2Fnyheter%2Fpolis-skot-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare%2F&edit-text=

    Hard to see with your head buried in the sand, or stuck up your *ss.

      CFS
      Feb 20, 2017 20:21 PM

      Note the obvious censorship imposed on the Swedish press…..no mention of OBVIOUS ETHNIC ORIGIN of the “youths”.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:30 PM

      There is some reallly serious power behind this movement. Could this be what the hard core Bolseviks have been waiting for and who, in the U.S. is behind this. Soros, Cl;intons or who. I am not accusing just asking!

    Feb 20, 2017 20:10 PM

    And suddenly something happened and the world changed !!!

    Feb 20, 2017 20:13 PM

    Big Al.

    David Brooks is in my view a very thoughtful conservative writer who is usually very fair. For you to cancel your NY Times subscription because you don’t like their view seems a bit childish to me.

    What a bout their sports section, haha. I liked it better in the pre Trump days on your program when you seemed OK with everyone being able to voice their opinion as long as they kept it civil.

    The ability to be able to express an opinion different from yours as long as we kept it civil was one of the reasons I respected you—-I still do respect you. But this new Trump era seems to be bringing out something in us that is very distasteful and I mean that about both sides of the spectrum.

    And I am not even going to address the stupidity of blaming Soros for much of the demonstrations that are going on.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:18 PM
      CFS
      Feb 20, 2017 20:29 PM

      john, google Alex Soros in connection with Oakland riots, and you might learn something.
      Mild-mannered Big Al is very slow to assign blame to anyone, as this forum has repeatedly shown. He is a good example of a most tolerant, forgiving Christian.

        Feb 20, 2017 20:41 PM

        Many thanks to you yet again Mr. G!

      GH
      Feb 20, 2017 20:58 PM

      John, was it not the New York Times that mentioned that 50 different groups involved in recent demonstrations, ostensibly womens’ marches but basically anti-Trump marches, received funding from Soros organizations? This man and his organizations have their fingers in most countries around the world. But obviously, not all of this turmoil can be laid at his feet, not by a long shot.

      As for the distastefulness that is coming out, it isn’t Trump supporters who are trying to overturn the legal, democratic order of the country. You didn’t see such mass disrespect for Obama and his supporters in 2008. Of course there was some, but nowhere near this scale.

      I have grave concerns about Trump myself. But the Trump haters aren’t focusing on the legitimate issues. Things like his worryingly close ties to Zionists and Goldman Sachs, his aggression toward Iran, and his seeming misunderstanding of the roots of the terrorism problem.

        Feb 20, 2017 20:42 PM

        GH, many that for all these thoughts especially those in you second paragraph!

      Feb 20, 2017 20:15 PM

      I don’t know why anyone would bother with The New York Times at all.

        Feb 20, 2017 20:43 PM

        I guess because of the Broadway reiews, being a big live theater fan.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:37 PM

      John,

      I am simply really concerned at this point in time. I found the two editorials that I mentioned to be a bit much.

      I did not cancel my subscription because of these editorials, I canceled it because I never read the other side of the story. I have always respected the Times and I really thought that it was better than that.

      Today, I am simply not seeing both sides from them and the same from the Washiington Post.

      These papers were the best in the past and, in my opinion, they no longer hold that status.

        Feb 21, 2017 21:00 PM

        I agree with you Al. If I had subscribed to this rag I would have cencelled it. Luckily I am British and not subscribed to any ‘newspaper’. None of them are to be taken seriously except in they are dangerous indeed. Even the Daily Telegraph was carrying an advert for the petition to ban the Trump state visit. I have screenshot of it. Pathetic. They are all bunch of jackals and hacks, IMHO. We need to be vigilant to pull any funding from any organisations or people that are subverting our democratic processes and producing nothing good and concrete to benefit our society and economy.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:40 PM

      A lot more blame, John, needs to be put out there, and certiainly not just to George Soros. Note please, that I said that he has his convictions and I simplly disagree with his alleged support of the social unrest regardless of where the initial blame rests with the current level of social unrest.

      Feb 22, 2017 22:23 AM

      The distasteful behaviors have been around for ages but now the silent majority has awoken from its 40+ year slumber and dared to open its mouth for the first time. Of course, the reaction of the existing class of political activists was bound to be extreme, for they are extremists. It’s a bit like 3 September 1939, when the era of appeasement was over and World War II had begun.

    CFS
    Feb 20, 2017 20:19 PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/20/europe-wants-britain-pay-billions-eu-schemes-2023/

    Not only that! They are demanding the right to fish in UK’s waters in perpetuity.
    It was the Spanish fishing fleet that gutted the UK fish industry and ignored quota limitations repeatedly.

    CFS
    Feb 20, 2017 20:43 PM

    Bix Weir from northern California discusses the Oroville Dam and rain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Yo_3ZL7b0

    Feb 20, 2017 20:11 PM
    Feb 20, 2017 20:30 PM

    GH and CFS,

    Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

    GH
    Feb 20, 2017 20:41 PM

    The NYT and the WAPO have been doing disservice to the United States and humanity for decades. They are propaganda organs, plain and simple. Of course they don’t tell all lies. The best lies are mixed with truth.

    They sold us all these BS wars for the past 27 years, and before. They did no real investigative reporting on 9/11. They did their part to ensure there was never any justice for all the financial crime on Wall Street.

    They’ve ensured that the American masses are bewildered and unable to take effective action to defend their own interests. It’s not as if the US has come to the current state of affairs in spite of everyones’ best efforts–there are interests who do not have the welfare of the US or humanity in mind, and the NYT and WAPO are among their tools.

    The bizarre thing about the current situation is that the ‘liberal’ folks these papers are aimed at currently find themselves allied with the neoconservatives and the CIA. They have a fit over the temporary immigration ban, but accepted Obama and Hillary’s non-stop slaughter of these same people without protest. It’s all upside down, and the NYT and WAPO have played a key role in making it that way.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:07 PM

      As I’ve said to my wife for decades; the MSM are propaganda outlets for the Feds and the democratic/leftist crowd. Fox is a propaganda oulet (some of Fox) for the government and the republican party/neocons. Fox is an interesting beast—-they actually differ in their allegiances. I wouldn’t pay a plugged nickel for the worthless NYT or the Washington Post. I do believe more Americans are starting to have a clue who really runs this country.

        Feb 20, 2017 20:17 PM

        The kereport and Drudge are the only ones we can trust.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:46 PM

      GH,

      Your last paragraph is great!

    CFS
    Feb 20, 2017 20:19 PM

    And you thought the Swamp was bad in Washington.

    The EU infiltration and the Corporate infiltration of the UK civil Service is unbelievable:
    http://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-17th-february-2017

    Feb 20, 2017 20:36 PM

    Geez,

    Come on guys—–Saying the NYT and the WP are propaganda machines for the establishment and the deep state is like saying the KE Report is a propaganda machine for commodities and gold and silver. DUH–what do you expect?

    It’s like saying the National Enquirer is a propaganda machine for sensationalism. Or People magazine is a propaganda machine for popular culture.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:48 PM

      Common John,

      We are not a progoganda machine for gold, silver and other commodities.

      GH
      Feb 21, 2017 21:08 AM

      I think we mean different things by propaganda, John.

      When I accuse the NYT and WP of propaganda, I am accusing them of practicing deceit, not just by lying, but also by withholding truth and context and by the themes they emphasize, against the interests of the readers they are manipulating.

      I don’t believe this can be said about KE Report.

      ‘People’ certainly plays its part in the propaganda machine, just as do professional sports. Circus. As in ‘bread and circus’.

        GH
        Feb 21, 2017 21:22 AM

        Furthermore, the point is that they are doing harm. Vast harm, as should be obvious from the examples I gave of their failings.

        I see no reason to give them a pass on this, or shrug our shoulders as if it’s just some neutral natural phenomenon.

    Feb 20, 2017 20:42 PM

    In topics that matter and where legalities are concerned, it is plausible to expect honesty, unbias and thorough research. Mind you, Im a realist and therefore dont expect it myself.

    Regarding topics that are more subjective and a matter of interpretation and perspective… well I wouldnt expect anything other than entertainment or boredom with the possibility of learning new ideas at anytime.

    John, when you suggest KE Report is propaganda for gold and silver, is that assertion perhaps a little biased? As I have personally read, and listened to many excerpts from guests and bloggers alike on this site that back both sides of the argument (in my eyes), regarding PMs and where they are headed.

      Feb 20, 2017 20:50 PM

      Thank you Ozibatla,

      I do certailnly value the fact that here your get to see both sides of the coin!

        Feb 20, 2017 20:58 PM

        No probs Al. That is why I respect this site as it does offer both sides of the coin. Long may it continue.

        I think those who speak in favour of PMs are sometimes unfairly pigeonholed as conspiracy theorists, radicals and propoganda pushers. Perhaps its because gold, silver and the like are not well known or understood by the majority. Isnt that an inherent trait in many, to ridicule something if you know nothing of it or are against it?

          GH
          Feb 21, 2017 21:57 AM

          “Gold is a controversial, anti establishment investment. Therefore, do not rely on conventional financial media and brokerage house commentary. In this area, such commentary is even more misleading and ill informed than usual.”
          ~John Hathaway

    Feb 20, 2017 20:46 PM

    One source I wouldnt trust is Greenspan and his recent favour of gold. The very same gold he was against prior to his Fed resignation in 2006. With these guys, I just cant help but always be sceptical of an ulterior motive or hidden agenda

    Feb 21, 2017 21:42 AM

    New York Crimes, Washington Compost, Clinton News Network….Yes?

    CFS
    Feb 21, 2017 21:32 AM

    The reduction of Productivity Growth in the 21st Century:

    http://d2s2ntyqypf3li.cloudfront.net/20170220213044/Fed170220_TylerCowenEdit.mp3

    Time wasted on social media?

    GH
    Feb 21, 2017 21:36 AM

    NYT Anti-Trump Jihad, by Stephen Lendman

    “The Times represents pro-Hillary dark forces militantly against Trump – denigrating him relentlessly, featuring advocacy, not real journalism.

    Daily feature stories vilify him, going way beyond justifiable criticism. The self-styled newspaper of record mocks fair and balanced reporting, absent on its pages.

    It supports US imperial madness, neoliberal harshness harming the nation’s most vulnerable, and police state targeting of nonbelievers.

    It’s gone all-out to delegitimize Trump, failed to prevent his electoral triumph, now on a rampage to weaken him irreparably, ideally wanting him removed from office – a coup d’etat by any standard if happens.
    …”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/02/16/nyt-anti-trump-jihad/

    GH
    Feb 21, 2017 21:40 AM

    “the mainstream media isn’t actually concerned about our cancerous, systemic metastasizing statism, it merely doesn’t want Trump in charge of it. I, on the other hand, want to dismantle that unconstitutional state entirely and transfer power to the American people where it belongs — self-government. Does anyone actually think for a second the media would be this adversarial if Hillary won?”

    https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2017/02/20/the-billionaire-owned-corporate-media-is-as-worthless-as-ever/