KER Politics – Tue 18 Apr, 2017

Syria Chemical Attack: Here’s What Happened

Al asked me to post this video earlier today. It is a graphic video with some very sad and disturbing footage.

Worst Chemical Attack in Years in Syria; U.S. Blames Assad

The accompanying article can be read by clicking here.


Comments:
  1. On April 18, 2017 at 12:55 pm,
    Robert Moriarty says:

    Guys:

    When you see a video pulling at your heart strings, you are being played. For a more logical and rational explanation you might want to see what really happened.

    THEY HAVE NO PROOF: MIT PROFESSOR EXPLAINS WHY THE ASSAD GAS ATTACK WAS A SHAM

    http://govtslaves.info/they-have-no-proof-mit-professor-explains-why-the-assad-gas-attack-was-a-sham/

    To give credit to the video above you have to believe that
    1. The US belongs on the side of ISIS
    2. Assad would attach civilians with gas when he could have attacked the terrorists who are attempting overthrow him
    3. Assad would deliberately do the one thing that might drag the US into direct conflict with him when he was winning the war and most of all
    4. The US never lies

  2. On April 18, 2017 at 1:20 pm,
    CFS says:

    I agree with Mr. Moriarty to some extent.
    We have an example of one side said X and the other side said Y, but neither is proven.
    The logic seems to imply that the other (Russian) point of view may be more probable.
    But NEITHER SIDE IS YET PROVEN, beyond reasonable doubt.
    In the cloud of war we may never know the real truth.
    Certainly the “claim” of US military intelligence of trust us, we really know, holds little water unless and until it actually produces real evidence.
    I am fairly confident they got the airfield correct from which Syrian bombers took off, but I am less positive the US knew the actual ordinance loaded. Was it chemical weaponry, or was it conventional bombs which hit a rebel munitions dump which contained chemicals; the difference is important and, to my mind, simply yet unproven.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 1:34 pm,
      GH says:

      I agree with your logic, CFS, though I think the odds highly favor the US lying.

      US logic: When in doubt, bomb!!

      • On April 18, 2017 at 4:47 pm,
        al korelin says:

        And why do you say that GH

        • On April 18, 2017 at 8:01 pm,
          GH says:

          1) No good motive to do it on part of Syria or Russia. ‘To test us’ — well, one can always come up with a pretext.

          2) All we have gotten from the US is lies for many, many years where war is concerned. From the USS Maine, to the Lusitania, to Pearl Harbor and the use of the atom bomb, to Gulf of Tonkin, Rambouillet, Iraq WMD, Libya, Ukraine. Why believe this?

          3) The real motive of all these wars is clear. They are wars fought for the Zionists. And they will never be content until they have broken Syria and Iran, which are among the few countries they don’t yet control.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm,
      al korelin says:

      Thanks for the “proven” comment, Professor.

      For all the reasons I have stated over and over in this case my moral values tell me that I am correct until proven otherwise.

      I refuse to get angry just because some folks disagree with me. So far the reasons I have cannot be proven as cannot those of the other side.

      This is not an issue of who is smarter than whom.

      • On April 18, 2017 at 6:00 pm,
        CFS says:

        I guess I am a person of little faith. I just prefer to remain neutral until I see evidence to put me on one side or the other. Call me a veteran skeptic.

  3. On April 18, 2017 at 1:23 pm,
    mark says:

    Good work Robert. I am utterly amazed how often Americans are fooled by this countries leaders lying and blundering through countless wars. I think its time for all Americans to say NO to all of our military adventures.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 4:50 pm,
      al korelin says:

      In case you have not heard what I said: “I have disagree with most of the military actions of the past three administrations.

      Would everyone be happier if I lied and said, “Okay guys, my moral beliefs are stupid”

  4. On April 18, 2017 at 1:35 pm,
    JohnK says:

    What’s the difference if your killing innocent women and children with gas,bombs or drones? Your still killing innocent women and children.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 1:41 pm,
      JohnK says:

      Why is it that one form of death is somehow worse than another?

      • On April 18, 2017 at 4:51 pm,
        al korelin says:

        Never has been in a case like this JohnK.

        • On April 18, 2017 at 5:29 pm,
          JohnK says:

          I beg to disagree Al.

          • On April 18, 2017 at 5:40 pm,
            JohnK says:

            What good is a drunk Priest?

          • On April 19, 2017 at 11:01 am,
            al korelin says:

            I believe that I did not make myself clear. What I actually meant is that there is no difference beause killing is killing.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 11:18 am,
            al korelin says:

            I believe that you misunderstood me JohnK. Death is an absolute event and killing noncombatants is, of course, morally wrong.

      • On April 19, 2017 at 11:19 am,
        al korelin says:

        What good is a drunken priest? Of course the answer is he absolutely useless.

        What does this have to do with this thread?

    • On April 18, 2017 at 1:41 pm,
      GH says:

      I’m flabbergasted by the notion this was a moral statement.

      The US has contaminated multiple countries with depleted uranium, littered countries with cluster bombs and land mines that kill and maim children to this day, apparently used white phosphorous on Fallujah, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children through starvation and illness….

      Yet we’re making a moral statement? I have to believe the vast majority of the world would scoff in derision at the notion.

      • On April 18, 2017 at 2:21 pm,
        JohnK says:

        GH, it’s amazing how short everybody’s memory is.Here’s a refresher.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

        • On April 18, 2017 at 3:15 pm,
          JohnK says:

          Notice the following video is Condalesa Rice. C. Rice credits Madeline Albrights father Joseph Korbel as sparking her interest in International Politics,she told me so on the Golf channel last night.The David Fehrety show. While Condalesa did say that she was glad to see Saddam gone, there was no mention of the innocent women and children that were killed in the process.

          • On April 18, 2017 at 4:12 pm,
            JohnK says:

            Now C. Rice is a Green Jacket toting member of Augusta National mentoring young boys and girls.
            Isn’t that special.

          • On April 18, 2017 at 5:00 pm,
            al korelin says:

            She would have made a great president as I told my wife when we were playing golf at the Coure dAlene resort course.

          • On April 18, 2017 at 6:45 pm,
            Matthew says:

            Seriously, Al? (Don’t answer that, I know you’re serious.)

          • On April 19, 2017 at 11:27 am,
            al korelin says:

            I am not talking about the past, I am talking about the present.

      • On April 18, 2017 at 4:58 pm,
        al korelin says:

        The U.S. has simply stated that chemical weapons will not be condoned.

        When we saved France; Germany; and, the rest of the world did folks complain about that? No, because it was not in vogue back then and, in this case more importantly, it did not sell subscription.

        Any idea what our stats would do if I capitulated and completely agree in this case. Please remember my actions and thoughts, a matter of public record, during the last three administrations.

        Don’t get me wrong GH this is not a comment on you or your character as I do respect you and your opinions.

        • On April 18, 2017 at 7:07 pm,
          Paul W says:

          Nobody condones murder either. Does that mean you throw a suspected murderer in jail without a trial or offering any evidence?

          If a prosecutor said that somebody was guilty should you accept it at face value and throw the suspect in jail or should you have a reasoned look at it and go to trial?

          The bottom line is that before the US goes to war, it should go to congress first.

        • On April 18, 2017 at 8:05 pm,
          GH says:

          “Don’t get me wrong GH this is not a comment on you or your character as I do respect you and your opinions.”

          Likewise, Al. It’s best if we can all state our opinions without taking it too personally.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 9:32 am,
            b says:

            Will people realize that politics is a farce?
            How could a bigger change in a candidate happen?

            If people dont realize now, or do realize and do nothing, we desreve to be treated exactly as we are, sheep baaaaaa

        • On April 18, 2017 at 8:30 pm,
          GH says:

          Honestly Al, I’m coming to believe that the whole of the history we’ve been taught about the 20th century is a monstrous lie, orchestrated by the bankers.

          • On April 18, 2017 at 8:47 pm,
            GH says:
          • On April 19, 2017 at 5:39 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            see silver stealers.net……..a real eye opener………..

          • On April 19, 2017 at 6:31 am,
            GH says:

            The usual suspects–Zionists, Ivy league blue-bloods, European aristocrats.

            The questions I’m asking myself. What actually caused WWI? The explanation that the assassination of the Archduke simply escalated is pretty thin gruel. Is it true that in 1916 the British were faced with defeat and the Zionists offered to bring the US into the war in exchange for Palestine? We know they got the Balfour Declaration not long after that. Why was such an injust treaty created at Versailles, punishing the Germans as if it were all their fault, planting the seeds for more war? What if it’s true that western bankers funded the Bolsheviks? What if the Bolsheviks, who murdered tens of millions of Russians (Christians), were overwhelmingly Jews, as some say? What if the same western bankers funded both Hitler and Stalin in WWII, as we know the neo-con dominated US backed both Iraq and Iran in their 1980s war? Was Hitler what we are told, or was he a dupe or a plant for a devious agenda? Where do Putin’s true allegiances lie–with the Russian people, or Zionist bankers?

            I’m not taking a firm position on these questions–I’m studying them. Nothing can be taken for granted in a world where Zionists have made free speech illegal in Europe, control most of the world’s media, and most of the world’s banks.

            I’d be a criminal in Europe just for making this post, from what French and German friends have told me.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 7:27 am,
            GH says:

            A friend saw these posts, and thinks I’m in danger of coming off as a bigoted racist.

            So let me be clear–I am talking about a small group–bankers, captains of certain industries…a mafia, illuminati, call them what you will. I tend to refer to Zionists, and I certainly don’t agree with their project. But I don’t think that term quite captures it either, as most of them are probably just dupes as well. There is gross over-representation of one ethnic group among them, but they are certainly not just from one ethnic group. And the larger ethnic group to which they belong is not guilty of their crimes.

            I wish there were a better term by which to refer to them….illuminati? Sounds nutty, and who are we talking about…bankers doesn’t do it either…

            To put it in less tortured language, in spite of the PC police: certainly not all the criminals involved in the conspiracy to which I refer are Jews, and most Jews are not involved. Thank god that many wonderful Jews speak out so we get a better understanding of what is going on. When one starts digging into this kind of information, e.g. watching videos on youtube, the ignorant and hateful comments below the videos are most discouraging. Condemning all for the crimes of some is a horrible crime in itself.

            I hope that clears that up.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 8:28 am,
            b says:

            Keep looking into stuff GH.

            I think ww 2 is the perfect example of what needs to be done, no not rounding people up but getting rid of the bankers.

            Obviously some people know that, but just how quickly germany became so powerful from the depths of despair is unreal.

            I dont believe we understand how suppressed and controlled we are.

            Interesting its against the law to even discuss it isnt it?

            Is your friend the same guy that thinks Bob M is a bigoted racest?
            Add me to the list too, funny thing, I dont have a prejudice bone in my body.

            Think about how your friend instantly thinks, what he is doing is reacting, he isnt actually thinking.

            Truth is opposing belief, not reason.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 8:44 am,
            Robert Moriarty says:

            Al:

            Candidate Trump had one set of values, President Trump has an entirely different set of values. If you look at what he said he was going to do as opposed to what he has actually done, you have to start thinking someone has something on him and he’s being blackmailed. He supports an entirely different agenda now than he did prior to the election.

            Some of what he is doing has almost become a farce. He was going to threaten NK with an armada ready to pounce only it was steaming the opposite direction. He drops a multimillion dollar MOAB on a cave complex the CIA built when one B-52 could have dropped twice the ordinance. He aligns himself with ISIS and attacks an Assad air field with no evidence or even logic to support his position.

            I am on record as saying he would either be the best president in history or the worst. And while he’s not nearly as crooked as HC, he’s as big a liar as she.

            As far as being different than prior administrations, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, there is a fair chance it is a duck.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 9:34 am,
            b says:

            Will people realize that politics is a farce?
            How could a bigger change in a candidate happen?
            If people dont realize now, or do realize and do nothing, we desreve to be treated exactly as we are, sheep baaaaaa

          • On April 19, 2017 at 10:22 am,
            GH says:

            b, my friend is a ‘liberal’. An open minded one, but liberal nonetheless, so I suppose that explains the reaction. Out of curiosity, I went back and tallied my word usage:

            zionist: 5
            banker: 5 (+1 jpeg)
            jew: 2, both innocuous, neither hateful

            Neutering our speech is obviously a stratagem of the mafia.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 10:23 am,
            GH says:

            ‘my word usage on this thread’ I should have said.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 11:42 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            GH….do not be concerned with your friend’s opinion , ….since, most likely, he has not studied …history, bible history, monetary history, constitutional history, nor political history…….jmho

          • On April 19, 2017 at 12:26 pm,
            GH says:

            Thanks for your support, guys.

            b, very important point you make:

            “I dont believe we understand how suppressed and controlled we are.”

            The same mafia is behind our hugely dysfunctional medical system–vaccines, over-medication, neglect of nutrition, and over-charging. They’re behind Monsanto etc, thus poisoning our soils and us. They’re behind the epidemic of chronic degenerative disease.

            In Latin America, when one sneezes three times, first it is ‘Salud’, then ‘Dinero’, then ‘Amor’ — health, money, love.

            They’ve poisoned our health. They’ve robbed us blind. So of course our ‘brotherly love’, as well as our family life, is severely frayed as well.

            We can do so much better.

        • On April 19, 2017 at 2:16 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:

          If the US is against chemical weapons, they should not have supplied them to Iraq and ISIS.

          You need not listen to any of what the US says to determine the truth, you can observe their actions.

          It’s just my opinion but I personally feel that DU is far more evil of a weapon than other chemical weapons. There is only a marginal increase in value as a weapon to use DU instead of lead or titanium in bullets but the aftereffects are terrible. I think it’s the worst of chemical weapons. Dying of exposure to DU is a terrible and lingering death.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 6:03 am,
            GH says:

            And the contamination lasts…permanently?

          • On April 19, 2017 at 8:02 am,
            al korelin says:

            Bob,

            I cannot disagree with your comments as they are factual.

            My only comment is that was then and this is now. I would like to think that the Trump administration has a much different attitude than previous administrations.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 8:32 am,
            b says:

            US, Aussie advisers caught in ISIS chemical attack against Iraqi troops in Mosul
            Published time: 19 Apr, 2017 09:42

            Report is on RT.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 4:51 pm,
      al korelin says:

      Of course John K and therein lies my rationale.

      • On April 18, 2017 at 5:07 pm,
        JohnK says:

        Big Al, you know I hold you in high esteem.
        That being said,I’m having a hard time with your politics.

        • On April 18, 2017 at 5:17 pm,
          JohnK says:

          My Dad couldn’t see any reason to own Gold. I didn’t like his Politics either.

          • On April 19, 2017 at 6:03 am,
            GH says:

            Ha! That makes two of us.

        • On April 19, 2017 at 8:03 am,
          al korelin says:

          Starting at about 5 a.m. Wednesday morning I began a reevaluation. More later.

  5. On April 18, 2017 at 1:35 pm,
    GH says:

    The New York Times has zero credibility on Mid-East wars. Disgusting rag.

  6. On April 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm,
    Ebolan says:

    Give me a break.

    That article is from the New York Times and Michael Gordon, a rah-rah boy for the Iraq War. He helped lie this country into war.

    Why on earth should anyone believe anything he has to say?

    He has discredited and disgraced himself multiple times.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 1:44 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Same old junk……..it is known fact, the MSN….is in the politician’s deep state pocket…

  7. On April 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm,
    Peter Endres says:

    Big Al, to make a balance you have to put on the blog this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnwxG1rcc0c&t=4s

  8. On April 18, 2017 at 1:38 pm,
    Peter Endres says:

    The same THE NEW YORK TIMES that Mr. Trump called “FAKE NEWS”???

  9. On April 18, 2017 at 1:39 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Voter fraud in Georgia ………….a guy went to the grocery on a break, had a ballot box with a 1000 votes, left his truck unlocked, can back and …..guess what , the ballot box was gone….no body is trustworthy anymore when it comes to politics……….

    • On April 18, 2017 at 1:41 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      “can” to came back….but , you get the picture……… 🙂 or maybe it should have read, I think I can, I think I can…get away with it………… 🙂

  10. On April 18, 2017 at 1:49 pm,
    Bankster Vigilante says:

    Mother Agnes has thoroughly investigated the incident, and of course Assad had nothing to do with it:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24358543

    • On April 19, 2017 at 12:18 pm,
      silverbug dave says:

      Well they also thought that Jimmy Savile was a nice guy to be left around teenage and pre-teen girls on Top of the Pops!

  11. On April 18, 2017 at 2:02 pm,
    b says:

    Curiosity got me and I read the comments on sites showing vids of Syrian bombings, the Korean situation etc yesterday.
    Usually I dont bother.
    What I found neat, was not one comment supported the americans, all comments were “americans are lying child killing dogs” or words to that effect…ALL of them.

    Makes me think that just maybe the world is waking up.
    Just kind of a nice thought.

    • On April 18, 2017 at 2:14 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Not so much anti American…….as anti Govt./banksters/deep state

    • On April 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm,
      DC says:

      “A nice thought” until “the rest of the world” decides to do something about it. It will be anything but “nice” then, I tell you. The deep state is completely out of control and they’re wearing a balaklava with the US flag stitched to the front. At some point this is all going to come home to rooster.

    • On April 19, 2017 at 12:12 pm,
      silverbug dave says:

      Oops, I think the Left all over the world is actually having a go at Trump. If this was happening under Obama, the Right would have been writing that stuff but the Left would have been supporting Obama;s actions.

    • On April 19, 2017 at 1:18 pm,
      Big Al says:

      A nice thought, b?

      • On April 19, 2017 at 1:55 pm,
        b says:

        Just nice to think more people are seeing whats happening.
        As some blogs say “one mind at a time”

        Who was it that said if the american people understood the banking sector we would have a revolution overnight?

  12. On April 18, 2017 at 5:04 pm,
    Jason says:

    False Flag

  13. On April 18, 2017 at 5:17 pm,
    Marshall says:

    Bob Moriarity provides a reasoned alternative. This could well be a false flag to inflame American moral sympathy. Either Assad is very stupid, or he was floating an attempt to see US reaction prior to more widespread use of WMD, or this is a false flag from the rebel “friends” of the US.

  14. On April 18, 2017 at 6:30 pm,
    CFS says:
  15. On April 18, 2017 at 7:56 pm,
    Dick Tracy says:

    Big Al will never understand that in his mind there is one law for The US, if he did he would be thinking about who dropped chemical napalm in Vietnam and was never held accountable for this and many other war atrocities. DT

    • On April 19, 2017 at 8:46 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:

      DT:

      The Vietnam War was fought to provide Dupont and Convair shareholders with dividends.

      • On April 19, 2017 at 10:41 am,
        Bonzo Barzini says:

        Viet Nam was fought to give Halliburton and Brown and Root billions of cost plus contracts, because george and herman brown owned LBJ.

    • On April 19, 2017 at 1:20 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Mr. Tracy,

      Please listen later today to my editorial with Doc.

  16. On April 18, 2017 at 8:56 pm,
    GH says:

    Brother Nathaniel’s 4-minute view on Trump’s attack on Syria:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ_2iF7XJyA

    • On April 19, 2017 at 12:51 am,
      b says:

      good one GH, I notice he has 18k views.

      • On April 19, 2017 at 6:07 am,
        GH says:

        I first happened on a vid of his a few years ago and thought ‘there’s a goofball’.

        But he’s well worth a listen. An ex-jew rushes in where gentiles fear to tread.

        • On April 19, 2017 at 11:47 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          interesting comments from Brother Nathaniel…….jmho

    • On April 19, 2017 at 1:31 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Just watched it, thanks GH

  17. On April 18, 2017 at 9:15 pm,
    JohnM says:

    Al, you are tying yourself into a pretzel on this. You have put yourself in the position that Assad is responsible for this “gas attack” either directly or indirectly without any proof. You cite you source McKinney or what ever his name is, because of all his credentials as an authority when he has not seen the site or even been anywhere near the site. His assertions are second and third hand at best (and I am being tactful here). I don’t care if he has a PHD from Jesus Christ University.
    You don’t KNOW, he doesn’t KNOW and furthermore the track record of out and out lies regarding this type of accusation should have given you a healthy dose of skepticism or at least some “watchful waiting”.
    I understand that you want to believe the best of Trump’s actions. But I will put out my opinion here: He was played and played skillfully OR He has been put into a position where he has to act this way for whatever reason. So it breaks down to this and I know you won’t like this: He is either stupid, a patsy or crooked.
    Sorry, I had hopes that Trump had a vision. But I’ve come to the conclusion that he has delusions of competence in an area that he is totally not acquainted with even the basic rudimentary rules of the game and it is a dirty, dirty game. I’ve very, very peripherally had some experience with this type of situation and come to the conclusion: The only winning move is not to play.

    Al, you’re in a credibility trap. It leaves very few satisfactory options. Drink heavily. 🙂

  18. On April 19, 2017 at 2:19 am,
    Robert Moriarty says:

    JohnM:

    Ditto

  19. On April 19, 2017 at 6:11 am,
    GH says:

    Personally, I think it’s best if Al maintains his stance regardless. 1) It’s good for stimulating debate and sharing of information. 2) If he were to start talking like some of us, KER would be in the cross-hairs of the dark powers even more than it likely already is just for hosting discussions like these.

    Keep up the good work, Al. You have my best regards.

    • On April 19, 2017 at 6:51 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Good thought………I would agree………

  20. On April 19, 2017 at 8:40 am,
    b says:

    A battle for free speech is happening now.
    Google was trying to reduce info wars viewers and face book is having issues with live streams.

  21. On April 19, 2017 at 12:03 pm,
    silverbug dave says:

    Here is article from the WSJ:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/removal-of-chemical-weapons-from-syria-is-completed-1403529356
    “Removal of Chemical Weapons From Syria Is Completed
    Chemicals Will Be Destroyed Aboard a U.S. Ship
    By Naftali Bendavid
    Updated June 23, 2014 1:39 p.m. ET
    All the dangerous substances from Syria’s chemical weapons program, including sulfur mustard and precursors of sarin, have now been removed from the country after a monthslong process, a Hague-based watchdog agency said Monday.

    The announcement marks a diplomatic and logistical milestone. Never before has a country’s entire chemical arsenal been removed from its borders, and now the most lethal chemicals are set to be destroyed…
    TO READ THE FULL STORY” Subscribe! Reproduced under fair use.

    Note it says PRECURSORS (main ingredients) of Sarin and not Sarin. Not that someone might not store the completed sarin product but as a chemistry researcher in the past I would understand that Sarin has less shelf life than its precursors and it is likely to be far more dangerous to store.

    One thing that gets me is the guy squatting in jeans and a T shirt in the impact crater of the alleged site of the attaak not many days after it occurred. Either these people are very inexperienced and reckless or there was not much poison in the vicinity. It could all have blown away but sarin has a boiling point of 159C so residues could easily have still been there. This makes me doubt that the impact site is where the US says it was. How do they know? I’m unconvinced be the US strory or any of the rebuttals.

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