We discuss Death of a Nation 9:11 and The Rise of Facism in America with the author George Grundy
I will definitely watch it now.
A
thanks for the tape………I have watched several 9/11 tapes over the past several years , and this one is another good one……..IMO
What is STF news.
Very interesting and thought provoking JohnK
JohnK, Your thesis is that the hijackers were zionist.
What do they gain by 9/11?
What is their motivation for suicide?
What does Israel gain from 9/11?
Obviously an invasion of Iraq, but is not Israel’s most dangerous enemy, Iran?
The hijackers were all financed by Saudi Arabia. How did Israel persuade Saudi to finance the hijackers?
I don’t doubt Trump is pro-Israel. He’s a New York developer; I would be surprized if he was not pro-Israel, but that has NOTHING to do with 9/11.
So some Jews made a lot of money out of 9/11……Maybe with the advantage of fore-knowledge, but again that proves NOTHING about culpability of Israel.
The President of the US had fore-knowledge of Pearl Harbour, did that make him Pro-Japan?
I was in Europe at the time of 9/11 and I personally saw Pakistanis in England celebrating 9/11, does that make Pakistan guilty?
I have since seen footage of Muslims celebrating 9/11; where is the footage of the dancing Israelis?
CFS:
I have no thesis. I am a volunteer for the truth.It doesn’t matter what I think.
CFS:
What is important to me is how you think.
I don’t have a definitive answer.
I suspect some individuals in the US Government, but have insufficient proof.
You chose to post a video pointing a finger at Israel, not a finger at the US or the US and Israel.
I fully believe the investigation into 9/11 did not reach the truth, but what specifically makes you believe the video you posted reaches the truth?
I do not specifically like to see “guilt by association or guilt by innuendo as “proof” of anything.
I want answers to questions like:
What specifically caused the timing of 9/11 to be in September of 2001?
and not, for example 2002.
if it was planned down to the last detail including hitting specific locations of the Pentagon that destroyed crucial records (that had nothing to do with Israel, why was that location chosen?
We will never know where the Pennsylvania plane was headed, but it is generally assumed either the Whitehouse or Congress. Why would Israel choose those targets?
I don’t like “explanations” that selectively choose certain facts, but fail to examine the whole
The US had time to scramble and shoot down the Pentagon and PA fights, why was no such order given?
Why did Bush seem so calm down in Florida and not immediately fly back to Washington?
There are a zillion unanswered questions if one assumes Israel acted alone.
CFS:
Your response is why I post the video. There is a lot of information out there. I am not fingering Israel,But at the same time I am giving anybody or any group a pass.
Big Al knows as well as I do that nothing gets done to solve problems unless people start communicating.
Your comments help me to better understand.
I, unfortunately at this time don’t have the answers.But like you I have a lot of questions.
Is anyone actually proposing Israel acted alone? I haven’t heard it. A preposterous notion. Or is this a straw man?
Like JohnK says, the main thing is that we need the truth. We know we don’t have it now. Until there’s a real investigation, we’re guessing in the dark. I know there is a LOT of evidence and independent investigation out there that I have not reviewed for lack of time/interest. So maybe likely conspirators are already identified, I don’t know.
As for the Zionist thesis, surely you’re playing dumb. This has already been spelled out for you. If you can’t come up with plausible theories along these lines yourself, even if you don’t believe them, that just reveals that your mental agility is compromised by bias on this topic.
GH:
At this point I am more interested at what other people think now that 16 years have passed.
My job is not to convince anybody of anything.
I know our Country the U.S has problems. I don’t see any solutions being put forth.
I believe another investigation into 9/11 could be the start.
Absolutely, JohnK.
To be clear, my second paragraph above was directed at CFS.
I agree, it is far more important to call for a new, transparent investigation than to advance personal theories about what may have happened.
GH:
I will also add that I believe there are parties that haven’t even been identified yet that played a role.
Also I think think that we will all be very surprised and angry when and if another investigation is conducted.
I personally am quite confident that absolutely nothing would come of that investigation.
Is that because you think that the investigation would be rigged, Al, or because you think there is nothing more to be discovered?
Big Al:
Please explain why.
CFS:
Do you think that the Mossad agents working for Urban Moving Systems who admitted on TV that they were sent to record the event either knew what was going to happen or were part of the attack?
When the PM of Israel immediately says it was a good thing, do you think that maybe he meant it was a good thing?
You are showing what you are with your bias to Muslims and blindspot towards Zionism. Why don’t you claim one more time that you aren’t really Jewish? Maybe you just sound like it?
R.M. I answered above.
But repeat it here. I think that Israel at a minimum had fore-knowledge.
I don’t recall Netanyahu exact words, but it would not surprize me if he said something like ” 9/11 is beneficial to Israel”
But I would not expect him to say “9/11 is a good thing, period. (i.e. without qualifying additional words)
Saying the effect of 9/11 being a good thing for Israel is NOT the same thing as saying “Israel is pleased it happened”.
GH, what makes you think another investigation would reach the truth?
I don’t know who was responsible for 9/11.
But I believe the first investigation actually tells us something.
The fact that it did not reach for me a believable conclusion suggests to me that some people in the US in powerful positions were at least partly responsible.
These same people managed to stop the investigation from reaching the truth.
Is another investigation a decade later going to reach the truth?
I doubt it.
Even if those powerful people are no longer in power, I can believe they have managed to destroy most of the incriminating evidence.
The wreckage of the buildings was moved to Long Island, but is now buried in landfill.
Nothing was preserved of the Pentagon.
(Here, I personally could accept use of a missile as causation, because airplane engines should have survived, but are not present in any known photos.
Further surveillance footage was edited to omit the “plane’s impact”, which would have been visible.
The whole story smells.
Did you actually watch the video cited?
I was responding specifically to the video.
Explaining why I thought it inaccurate.
Do I think Israeli completely innocent? NO.
I don’t know who was responsible.
Considering the totality of the evidence, I believe the official explanation to be wrong.
(I am sure it is wrong.)
Because of the pentagon, if I have to point a finger, I would point at some US involvement.
I would not be surprised if Israel had fore-knowledge.
I would not be surprised if either Saudi Arabia or even possibly Israel colluded with those in US who were responsible.
As usual, you raise some very interesting questions, Professor.
Netenyahoo says “President Trump is a great friend of Israel”
I wonder when serving Israel became a prerequisite of being the president of the US.
The Zionists infiltrated prior to 1913, Eisenhower gave his warning and Kennedy was the example as to what happens when a president gets his own ideas.
They all must have been working for Israel from that point.
Never thought that it was a prerequisite!
Look how the candidates must grovel to AIPAC. Look how new presidents go to the Wailing Wall. How many standing ovations did Congress give Netanyahu?
What national-level politician dares to speak the truth about Israel? Jimmy Carter, and he gets tarred as an anti-Semite for it.
‘Brother Nathanael’ says: “If there is one rite of passage that every American politician must pass through, it’s doing obeisance to the Jews at the Wailing Wall.”
But GOD FORBID that any politician-elect speak to a Russian!!!
I like that guy GH, I see him around every now and then.
Nice to know there are Israelis out there that are not Zionist.
GREAT POST GH………….
GREAT Tape……….GH
This goes along with the JEW being set aside at this time…….as described in ACTs, and Pauls message to the gentiles………..
I said before Rand is not like his father………..
Thanks G.H.
Last night I wikipedia Ron Paul.It said Dr Pauls practice was in Obstetrics and gynecology.
Made me think about when I had to get a DOT physical and the female doctor grabbing my nuts was younger than my daughter.Why does one go from Gynecology to Politics? To many questions,not enough answers.
David Cameron went to the wailing wall…must be a zionista
Anwar al-Sadat went to the wailing wall and spoke in the Knesset….must be a zionist.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/430516045606530129/
Indira Gandhi with her son Rajiv, daughter-in-law Sonia, grand-children … Orthodox Jewish man praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem during the worst snow …
Guilt by association is CRAP.
(Iapologize for my language, but this use of innuendo and guilt by association is ridiculously superficial.
One must examine as much evidence as possible in totality to reach any valid conclusion.
Clueless…….would be more like it………
Right, CFS.
It’s perfectly normal that all our top politicians visit the Wailing Wall.
The theme was not that all our politicians are Zionists, but that it is a prerequisite to serve Israel. The way you twist things! And play dumb. You are increasingly coming to seem disingenuous to me.
Or maybe it’s just ideological blinders. I can’t tell. It’s a lot like debating someone from the ilLiberal Left.
The bible clearly teaches that the Jews have been set aside until the last days, and the 1000 yr reign on earth. THey have been set aside because of their unbelief in Jesus Christ.
Anyway……..There is no way a Zionist can stand against truth…….biblical teaching shows clearly,,,,,,bondage through debt is called against…….GO AND OWN NO MAN.
If, the Zionist were true jews, they would practice DEBT RELIEF…..THrough Jubilee….
The civil war will start soon after the start of the Korean War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzvnI5LYY4U
I find Donald Trump to be refreshing from the politics of the last many years, I do not like society’s that always espouse to be politically correct. If you fall into the sphere of being politically correct, free speech is choked off in one direction or another. The only way in which a citizen who is interested in social and political problems of his country is to chose the group that is being sympathetic to him and abide under the shadow of that group. Being politically correct does not preserve freedom of expression, and that is in a nutshell what Trump is up against. DT
Great comment Dick
I don’t believe you when you say that or you wouldn’t call me Dick like you do when you don’t like my post.
I believe Al that you would like your President to be more politically correct, but no thinking citizen can express in freedom more than a part of his honest convictions if he is politically correct. DT
I agree except I think that on some topics he is a bit too blunt. As an example, some of his comments “North Korea will cease to exist” considering the players on the other side should be said forceably but with a little more tact.
How do you spell paranoia? Common Mr. Tracy you are one of the best!
There is some indication that Bin Laden was no longer alive in 2001.
Why was his “body” dumped at sea……convenient that no photos or autopsy.
There were body cameras on the troops in Pakistan during the raid. Have you ever seen the pictures obtained?
if 9/11 was performed solely by Israel, how come the US kept secret much of the demolition info, especially for tower 7.?
I will accept that 9/11 was a false flag US-Israeli operation, but not an independent Israeli operation.
Think….MIC…….money missing…….$21 Trillion…….the money changer , the “A” jews love money…….think Pooh.
Think the Judeo Christian concept ..did not even come into existence until 1950…..
I was unaware of that.
It was in the tape, I asked you to review…….
I didn’t see the news organization identified and I did watch the tape. Thank you.
That was a great vid you posted last week, Jerry.
I don’t tend to be one to parse the Bible–for me it’s common sense that the concept of “God’s Chosen People” is ridiculous–but it was really interesting to hear.
Judeo-Christian is a red herring in many ways, given Christianity represents a schism in Judaism (as I understand it, not my specialty!). There appears to be some real animosity about it still, from some quarters.
GH,Ever read The Old Testament?
It’s been a long, long time Al. I think I’ll be getting around to it before much longer.
My one comment is that to make the kind of change happen to this country,that some of think is happening, a very sophisticated program would have to be put into place. Is this a part of that very sophisticated program?
I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks it was a solely Israeli operation.
The End of the US Empire
Oops, wrong link – here is the right one.
I just got done printing it out. Will be back to you with an opinion.
Thanks
Hi Bob UK,
I am going to post this article.
I was just thinking about how the accent (emphasis) is put on certain words in a phrase.
To me it seems to have been: The UNITED States of America.
I’m wondering if it is going to change to: The United STATES of America.
Let’s hope it this change doesn’t go any further.
Just wondering……..
Lot to wonder about right now, John M!
Big Al:
Please explain why you are so confident nothing would come out of another investigation.
Hi Big Al!
Long time listener, first time caller.
Your guest is dead wrong about Truth and Trump and I’ll tell you why.
The People come in dead last on the list of Washington DC priorities. The Swamp..
Your elected officials do a great job obscuring that fact, don’t they.
You might say that’s the biggest lie going.
Why the whole place is built on a lie!!
Our President tells us one important truth. It is time to have government start working for the People again!
May God give him strength in that struggle.
Gold and silver , are not getting crushed during after hours trading……..China effect…jmo
As a volunteer for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth,I appreciate the interview. Once again I find myself having to point out things that most people miss.
To say that President Trump was not Political,tells me you have not read The America We Deserve. Donald Trump.
Remember “Elect me and I will expose who knocked down the towers”?
I present here a video Donald Trump,9/11 CASE CLOSED
Take one hour of your time and watch. After you’ve finished I’ll bet you think differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl294zrYLzk&t=54s