Weekend Show – Sat 12 May, 2018

Hour 2 – KER Politics

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  • Segment 5: Big Al discusses California’s Sanctuary Cities with Charlotte Cuthbertson of The Epoch Times.
  • Segment 6: Jim McKinney and Big Al discuss geopolitics stressing The Middle East.
  • Segment 7: Harlan Ullman takes the other side of the argument regard the Nuclear Accord as Jim McKinney.
  • Segment 8: Author Rick Richmond discusses Israels past actions in the attempt for a two state solution in the Middle East.

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  1. On May 12, 2018 at 3:53 am,
    Nigel says:

    Not convinced by Rick Richmond’s argument, that Israel has shown great forebarence, at some point if this continues, it’ll end up being a blood bath on all sides. I think Al is correct, maybe everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down. Going philosophical now, but as Budda said you cant have peace when you have hatred in your heart

    • On May 12, 2018 at 9:56 am,
      Robert Moriarty says:

      Al:

      Given that Harlan Ullman is a Senior Fellow at the Naval War College you were just kidding about him not being part of the CMIC, right?

      Is the CMIC some sort of club that you have to be initiated into and getting your pay from the government doesn’t really qualify you? I mean it’s not like he’s talking his pay check.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 9:58 am,
        Robert Moriarty says:

        I wrote this not a week ago. The false flag operations are getting easier and easier to figure out. If you know how to think for yourself, you can predict them in advance with great accuracy.

        On May 7, 2018 at 10:11 am,
        Robert Moriarty says:
        Look for a false flag operation or another attack on Syria this week on the part of Israel. Israel, a country of 8 million people, wants the world to believe they can take on Iran, a country of 80 million people. They cannot. So they are doing everything in their power to drag the US into another wasted war on behalf of Israel that Israel intends to fight to the last drop of American blood and last cent in the treasury.
        For those who lack the ability to reason and see what is happening, here is an interesting paper from another source.
        http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-warmakers/
        The Israelis are at it again
        Amazing, isn’t it? The Israelis have been whining about “imminent” Iranian nukes for years, and they are still at it. Not only that, but these guys have the nerve to say “Iran lied”. Seriously, even by the already unique Israeli standards, that is chutzpah elevated to a truly stratospheric level. If it were just Bibi Netanyahu, then this would be comical. But the problem is that Israel has now fully subjugated all the branches of the US government to its agents (the Neocons) and that they now run everything: from the two branches of the Uniparty to Congress, to the media and, now that Trump has abjectly caved in to all their demands, they also run the White House. They apparently also run the CIA, but there still might be some resistance to their lunacy in the Pentagon. The US is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever.
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        • On May 12, 2018 at 10:13 am,
          Robert Moriarty says:

          There are a number of key issues your speakers never seem to get around to and if they did, the whole issue would be a lot more simple.

          1. Russia and Iran are in Syria legally at the invitation of the sovereign head elected in a free election.
          2. The US, Turkey and Israel are not in Syria legally. They are waging a war of aggression against another nation, “The Supreme Crime.”
          3. Iran has not done any nuclear weapons work since at least 2008 and probably 2003 and all 17 US government intelligence agencies agree and have done two reports admitting that. Also the IAEA agrees Iran has no nuclear weapons program and is 100% in compliance with the 7 party agreement.
          4. Israel has somewhere between 200-400 nuclear weapons and has threatened to use them.
          5. The US gives Israel the bulk of all international aid. This is in violation of the Symington Act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment
          Israel is in violation of the IAEA and the NPT.

          We aren’t the good guys. We are on the wrong side and should this turn into the ultimate battle between good and evil, we are going to lose.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 11:45 am,
            b says:

            Israel or the Zionists run the U.S., pretty much a givin now for anyone researching the matter.
            My question for a long time has been “do the Zionists run Russia and China?

            I think we just saw a clue.

            Over the last few days, the Russians had stated they intended to install the s 300 in Syria in response to a U.S.,French and British attack on Syria.

            Netenyahoo flies to Moscow and visits Putin and now the story is.

            Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said there was never a formal plan to equip Syria with the systems, but Kremlin aide Vladirmir Kozhin said, “We’re not discussing any deliveries of advanced new systems,” and added the Syrian military “has everything it needs.”

            If the Zionists are running Russia that would sure explain alot of P.C.Rs questions concerning Russian actions in Syria.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 1:54 pm,
            BDC says:

            JEWS run the U.S. — Every faction of them.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 1:59 pm,
            IBig Al says:

            Thanks for the comments above. I knew that you would be stirring the pot as rapidly as hou you possible after this show.

            I am not going to repeat what I have said time and time again because you will simply glance over it.

            I will say that I think that all of the players n the Middle East need to simply do all that they can to make it a peaceful place. I don’t give a shit about why Russia and iran are in Syria.

            Let’s just do what Rodney King said and simply get along.

            Thanks for your rebuttal of sorts to Jim. Yes I too respect him

          • On May 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm,
            Big Al says:

            Regarding being the good guys. If you mean always, I would agree with you!

          • On May 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm,
            GH says:

            Israel/Zionists don’t want peace.

            They are the most vile liars in history.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 5:47 pm,
            GH says:

            b, yes, it’s interesting to watch PCR strain for explanations about Russia’s and China’s lackadaisical attitude. The simpler explanation is that this is all a charade.

            Looks just like a century ago–the bankers setting up the pieces for a war that will destroy the remaining obstacles to their declared ambition for absolute domination over the world.

            “The Jewish people, taken collectively, will be its own Messiah. His reign over the Universe will be obtained by the unification of the other human races, the suppression of frontiers, and the establishment of a “Universal Republic”. . . In this new organization of Humanity the sons of Israel …. will become without opposition the directing element everywhere; above all, they will succeed in forcing on the working-men masses, the stable control of certain among them. The Government of the nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass, without effort, into Israelite hands, by favor of the victory of the Proletariat. Individual ownership will then be suppressed by the governors of the Jewish race who will administer in all places the public wealth. Thus will be realized the promise of the Talmud that, when the Times of the Messiah has come, the Jews will hold under their keys the properties of all the peoples of the world.”
            ~Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1, 1928

            http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k176204/f574.image.langFR.zoom

      • On May 12, 2018 at 1:53 pm,
        IBig Al says:

        Did you listen to what he had to say?

    • On May 12, 2018 at 1:53 pm,
      IBig Al says:

      Thanks Nigel, great comment.

  2. On May 12, 2018 at 3:53 am,
    OOTB Jerry says:
    • On May 12, 2018 at 4:04 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      More than 200 years after early Americans went to war over their right to life, liberty and property, “we the people” have been reduced to little more than serfs in bondage, indentured servants, and sharecroppers. And the lines between private and public property have been so blurred that private property is reduced to little more than something the government can use to control, manipulate and harass you to suit its own purposes, and you the homeowner and citizen have been reduced to little more than a tenant in bondage to an inflexible landlord.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 4:06 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        After all, the American dream is about gaining sovereignty over one’s life and property. Without this sovereignty – this unshakeable guarantee of ownership and dominion, even over one’s own life – there can be no true liberty or freedom.

        • On May 12, 2018 at 2:08 pm,
          IBig Al says:

          My philosophy, as everyone is aware, is to provide a forum for both sides of important issues. I opine on most of these issue now and most of you have indicated that you are happier with that.

          I am not the prettiest baby in the nursery. I am just a man providing a forum that we can all learn from.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:21 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            As we have said many times before …….thanks for the great work and the forum you have provided…….otherwise Bob would be talking to himself………. 🙂

      • On May 12, 2018 at 2:05 pm,
        IBig Al says:

        Morning OOTB,

        Thank God that I am not a tenant in bondage”

        Life is a whole lot better when you have “serenity”

        1

        • On May 12, 2018 at 7:13 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Good evening………thanks for the follow up ……….

    • On May 12, 2018 at 8:41 am,
      Ebolan says:

      Shows how corrupt the gooberment is. But does anyone care? Certainly they will when their property is seized but until then? And even if they do care what can they do about it? We are a nation of slaves but none are so enslaved as those who will not see as the saying goes.

  3. On May 12, 2018 at 3:56 am,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Why fight for a landlord…………..
    Everything else can be seized by the government under one pretext or another (civil asset forfeiture, unpaid taxes, eminent domain, public interest, etc.).

    The American Dream has been reduced to a lease arrangement in which we are granted the privilege of endlessly paying out the nose for assets that are only ours so long as it suits the government’s purposes.

  4. On May 12, 2018 at 4:07 am,
    irishtony says:

    This is a link to a video i posted yesterday.Its 37 minutes long, based on facts. It may give a clue to how Trump is behaving & why.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTMy9ma2mQ&feature=youtu.be
    Al..Bob M..& CFS….i would like you to opine on this.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 4:09 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Post the other one ……it was good also……….

    • On May 12, 2018 at 4:10 am,
      irishtony says:

      After watching the above video, you may want to read this, i am just trying to connect the dots.
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-11/pat-buchanan-asks-are-bibi-bolton-wheel-house-now

      • On May 13, 2018 at 7:10 pm,
        Robert Moriarty says:

        IT:

        To understand the Middle East, it pretty much requires ignoring everything you are told because everyone is lying. You have to figure out logically what “MIGHT” be true.

        I think the first video had a lot of valid points. When you say “Zionist” you are really saying Rothschild, they are and always have been behind everything in Israel. The point about following the money is especially valid. Al loves Trump and doesn’t want to think about what Adelson paid for with his $35 million.

        He bought the White House.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 8:34 am,
      Ebolan says:

      How dare those Arabs put their countries on top of the Rothschild’s oil!

      • On May 13, 2018 at 10:19 am,
        CFS says:

        I would ask the question with regards to ISIS and Oil……is it Trump or the CIA acting independently, driving the situation?

    • On May 12, 2018 at 8:49 am,
      Ebolan says:

      Good video! But it’s hard to watch this as it is so infuriating how corrupt our rulers are. Anyway, you will never learn those truths in the lame stream media. Mr. Big Al Korelin should be interviewing that guy!

      • On May 12, 2018 at 11:35 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Ditto on the interview…………
        Govt. is as corrupt as hell

      • On May 12, 2018 at 2:12 pm,
        Big Al says:

        I will reach out but I need to watch in first.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 2:11 pm,
      Big Al says:

      I will soon. Right now I am pretty busy with Kathy and our daughter who is visiting and helping.

      Promise Mr. Irish, I will watch and opine.

  5. On May 12, 2018 at 4:13 am,
    irishtony says:

    NOT A PRETTY PICTURE>………………………………..
    https://goo.gl/1v4hZ9

    • On May 12, 2018 at 4:20 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Listen Up, Israel!
      By Views Of News

      Your antisemitism trick has come to an end. Most everyone knows you are NOT Semites.

      Your terrorism trick has hit a brick wall. Most everyone knows that those so-called “Islamic Terrorists” are really Israelis.

      Your war plans and provocations are fizzling at an alarming rate. Most everyone sees through your evil shenanigans.

      Your apartheid state will not last very long. Even some of your clear-minded citizens admit that much.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 4:23 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        So take the following advice:

        Admit that you are NOT really the Hebrews of the bible.
        Forget about that nonsensical “Promised Land” that supposedly extends all the way to the Euphrates.
        Stop slaughtering the Palestinians, create a bi-national state, repatriate all their refugees, and pay reparations to all the families you have hurt.
        Give back to Syria and Lebanon the land you’ve stolen from them and make peace with all your neighbors.
        If you do all these things, you may still have a chance to redeem your soul.

        • On May 12, 2018 at 4:24 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          above is from the article……..

          • On May 12, 2018 at 5:28 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Romans 1:13-17 King James Version (KJV)
            13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

            14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

            15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

            16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

            17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 5:42 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

            35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

            36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

            37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

            38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

        • On May 12, 2018 at 6:00 pm,
          GH says:

          Very good advice to the Jews. Their history says they won’t take it, though.

          Looks like they’re readying a plan B in Patagonia.

          https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-israel-have-a-patagonia-project-in-argentina/5624434

          The IMF apparently has Argentina over the barrel, AGAIN, and I imagine the quid pro quo will be for Macri to give Israelis what they want in this regard.

          What a nightmare. Who wants these people for neighbors, with their track record? This would likely be the start of a long nightmare for South America.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 6:02 pm,
            GH says:

            The USSR created the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the 1920s/30s, but apparently this wasn’t the real estate they wanted…maybe because, hemmed in by Russia and China, they would have a hard time pulling any shenanigans?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

            If your ambition is to rule the world, you want to be seated at the crossroads of the world–the Middle East.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:15 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            They the Jews did not like the news in 30 ad, …..they will not like the new today….. 🙂

    • On May 12, 2018 at 4:21 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      GOOD PICTURE BTW………..

  6. On May 12, 2018 at 8:39 am,
    Ebolan says:
  7. On May 12, 2018 at 8:50 am,
    Ebolan says:
  8. On May 12, 2018 at 9:08 am,
    Ebolan says:

    RE Segment 5: Mr. Big Al Korelin, you need to understand that the Demorats and Soros WANT to over-run this country with illegals. They want to destroy western culture. The studio dog has every right to be outraged!

    • On May 12, 2018 at 11:06 am,
      Donnie Moder says:

      There is a long history of Republicans and big agriculture for decades encouraging illegal immigration. They wanted cheap labor and to deny the creation of agricultural labor unions. If we had laws that punished employers for hiring illegal aliens, the amount of illegals crossing the US/Mexico border would go down significantly.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 11:08 am,
        Donnie Moder says:

        And the supposed need for “The Wall”, which Trump promised thousands of times would be paid by Mexico, not the U.S, would no longer be in question, even for Trumpists.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 2:17 pm,
        Big Al says:

        Donnie,

        I am a strong supporter of your argument and have bee for years. (The argument about strong fines for hiring illegals.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 6:56 am,
          GH says:

          I to am a strong supporter.

          Trump, however, does not seem to be:

          https://www.henrymakow.com/jews_must_confront_dark_side_o.html


          Tuesday we posted Michael Berg’s article, Ex-Chabad Member Exposes Trump Family Cult [which I posted at the time–GH] which demonstrated that Trump’s family (Kushners) belongs to Chabad, a racist, criminal Jewish supremacist doomsday cult. The very next day Trump commuted the 27-year prison sentence of Chabad kosher butcher, Rabbi Sholom Rabashkin, 57, a GOP donor. He had served only eight years. ” Rubashkin, as manager of the family owned Agriprocessors meat plant ($300 million annual revenue) in Postville, Iowa, was convicted in 2009 of financial fraud for submitting fake invoices to the plant’s bank that made the company’s finances appear healthier than they were so that it could borrow more. The bankruptcy revealed a $26 million scheme of fraud.

          In addition, in one of the nation’s largest illegal worker busts, federal authorities raided the plant and detained 389 illegal immigrants in 2008. ICE determined that at the time of their raid, two-thirds of the plant’s workers were undocumented. It turned out the company itself was cranking out false social security cards.

          There were also 9,311 counts of child labor violations in the indictments, as well as horrific safety violations. Authorities also found a Meth lab.

          Plant supervisors in this hell-on-earth were involved in rape and sexual abuse of workers. PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) also documented and filmed what they called the worst animal abuses and extreme cruelty they had ever seen.

          The Rubashkin criminal exploits and methods were documented in the CNBC series “American Greed – The Slaughterhouse”. The video has now been scrubbed from CNBC’s site. It has been mirrored elsewhere, but this may not be online long.” Source

          • On May 13, 2018 at 6:58 am,
            GH says:

            Part of his 4D chess, Chartster?

    • On May 12, 2018 at 2:16 pm,
      Big Al says:

      okay, I admit it Eddy, Studio, is smarter than I.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 6:15 pm,
      GH says:

      Both Ds and Rs serve the Judeo-Masonic mafia, and it is indisputable that they want to overrun the US with immigrants from alien cultures.

      Whites are already a minority in the under-age-5 cohort, so barring a significant change in direction, it is only a matter of time before will be a minority in the country they founded.

      https://images.newrepublic.com/2ef66f289938c2cc38857d88606b16392c7aa225.jpeg?w=800&q=65&dpi=1&fm=pjpg&h=489

      newrepublic.com/article/120370/five-graphics-show-why-post-white-america-already-here

      • On May 12, 2018 at 6:25 pm,
        GH says:

        Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review by Kevin MacDonald

        http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

        “”This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.”

        Jews will frantically fight growing awareness of this fact because they know the backlash they will feel if the truth becomes known.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 6:26 pm,
        Ebolan says:

        Thanks, GH. I didn’t have time to respond to Donnie but that’s what I would have said. I don’t know which is worse, the Demorats who openly show their contempt for western culture or the Republowcons who are less inclined to do so (or even lie that they are defenders of it) but nevertheless serve the same master and it sure as hell ain’t us.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 10:00 am,
      CFS says:

      Amen. Ebolan, I have always contended that Democrat (containing socialist/communistic liberals) Party would choose to gain/stay in power even if they destroy the US in that process.

  9. On May 12, 2018 at 10:59 am,
    Ebolan says:

    Even as CNN is out with a new report condemning Iran for denying any responsibility or role in the latest massive exchange of fire between Israel and Syria, The New York Times has admitted (albeit buried deep in the story) that Israel was the actual aggressor and initiator of hostilities which threatened to spiral out of control overnight Wednesday and into Thursday morning.

    While CNN and most Israeli and mainstream media sources blame Iran for initiating an attack on Israel, on the very day of the early morning strikes (Thursday), the Times acknowledged, “The barrage [of Syria/Iran missiles] came after an apparent Israeli missile strike against a village in the Syrian Golan Heights late Wednesday.”

    This is significant as Israel is seeking to cast Iran as an aggressor on its border which must be dealt with preemptively; however Syria’s response—which involved between 20 and 50 missiles launched in return fire—imposed new rules of engagement on a situation in which Israel previously acted with impunity.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-11/israel-now-faces-new-rules-engagement-syria

    • On May 12, 2018 at 2:19 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Thanks Eddy, I was careful, but perhaps not careful enough, in seeing who actually fired first.

  10. On May 12, 2018 at 11:01 am,
    Donnie Moder says:
  11. On May 12, 2018 at 11:05 am,
    Ebolan says:

    Are you people ready to join Israel’s escalating war with Iran?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=UoLOAF29LFA

  12. On May 12, 2018 at 11:14 am,
    AJ says:

    Trump Violates the Iran Nuclear Deal — Ignoring U.S. and Israeli Generals Who Support It
    https://theintercept.com/2018/05/08/donald-trump-iran-nuclear-deal-john-bolton/

    So what’s Trump’s plan? War I guess. I wonder why Kim is bothering with any ‘deal’. All the other countries on this planet will know without a shadow of a doubt the word of the US will only be good till the next administration. After this (& Paris, NAFTA) there is no shred of credibility left. It will have consequences for decades, nobody will enter any long term agreements or treaties.

  13. On May 12, 2018 at 11:24 am,
    AJ says:

    Trump’s New Iran Policy, Three Days In
    https://lawfareblog.com/trumps-new-iran-policy-three-days

  14. On May 12, 2018 at 12:05 pm,
    AJ says:
  15. On May 12, 2018 at 12:35 pm,
    Kevin from Kanada says:

    There has NEVER been a country called Palestine. There is NO LANGUAGE called Patestinian. That is the first concept that needs clarity for the current situation. I must say, also, that I find it remarkable how close to WWII all this heaping of blame on Israel sounds. One can see how easily Biblical Prophecy will come to reality.

    There is massive deception happening on many different levels. “Mat_24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. ”

    This is a very simplified comment on a very complicated situation, I realize, but once these axioms are taken hold of, things fall into place a little more clearly.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 2:09 pm,
      terra,laser says:

      KfK,

      That Palestine or Palestinins have no country or language (according to you) justify their killing, oppression, and made second class people?

    • On May 12, 2018 at 5:07 pm,
      Kevin from Kanada says:

      I don’t see anywhere that I mentioned that as acceptable? But nice emotional response.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 6:36 pm,
        GH says:

        “There has NEVER been a country called Palestine. There is NO LANGUAGE called Patestinian.”

        And what ARE you saying with that statement, Kevin? It sounds like an attempt to delegitimize the claims of the people whose land was stolen by Zionists.

        Heaping blame on Israel reminds you of WW2…how? WW2 started as a result of the abuse of the Germans by the unjust treaty of Versailles.

        • On May 12, 2018 at 7:10 pm,
          Kevin from Kanada says:

          What I AM saying is, let’s try to talk factually. I find this whole “stolen land” thing hard to accept. Israel has reclaimed mosquito infested swamp land and turned it into something productive. They have offered to live side by side with these displaced Arabic peoples. (By the way, notice how, over the years, how many other Arab neighbours offered to accept this “refugees” into their country….nice cousins that they are…). If you have ever been to Israel, and I have, you will find that the locals are more than willing to get along. They work together, live in the same communities together. It is more politically expedient to cause problems in certain areas.

          Regarding WWII, have you noticed all the concentration camps in modern day Israel? Germany may have been handed a bill of goods coming out of WWI, but is that not sounding like an attempt to “delegitimize the claims of the people whose land was stolen by” Nazis?….just sayin’….

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:17 pm,
            GH says:

            Yeah, I don’t know why Palestinians don’t just forget about their ancestral lands, and go live somewhere else.

            Yes, they live side by side so well that they make Palestinians go through checkpoints and shoot Gazans like fish in a barrel. Wouldn’t you love to live like that?

            Your second paragraph is incoherent, so I won’t try to rebut it.

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:40 pm,
            GH says:

            “I find this whole “stolen land” thing hard to accept.”

            So, if the Chinese, or Americans, or whoever, were to settle the mosquito-infested uninhabited areas of northern Canada, that would not constitute invasion or theft? For crying out loud–you can read accounts of Israelis who participated in the Nakba, and admit it was terrorism. Uri Avnery, for instance.

            “In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine… let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
            A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily…When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs… and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome… But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases…”
            –Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938) as quoted in Flapan, Simha, Zionism and the Palestinians

            https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:45 pm,
            GH says:

            And if you want facts, Kevin, then lets talk about the fact that the vast majority of Jews are not even Semites, and have zero claim on Israel (as if a 2000-year-old claim is absurd enough).

            http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/55Judaism/ElhaikEAshkenazimEn.htm

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:50 pm,
            GH says:

            Furthermore, the religion of most Jews is not the religion of Biblical Hebrews. It is Talmudism, which is a mixture of the teachings of the Pharisees (Christ’s enemies) and Babylonian mysticism.

            “The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe–whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists–we follow the Talmud. It is our common law” (Herman Wouk, The Talmud: Heart’s Blood of the Jewish Faith, 1959)

            Benjamin Freedman on the Talmud:

            https://biblicisminstitute.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/facts-are-facts-i.pdf
            biblicisminstitute.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/facts-are-facts-ii.pdf
            biblicisminstitute.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/facts-are-facts-iii.pdf

          • On May 13, 2018 at 7:20 am,
            GH says:

            I couldn’t care less about what religion people follow or not, as long as it does not affect me. But Talmudist Zionist bankers have buried us in debt, and the Talmudist Zionist mass media has buried us in lies and degenerate filth.

            I haven’t read the Talmud–it’s over 6000 pages (you can tell who is responsible for the US tax code)–but I’ve read enough quotes and articles about it to say that it is the most vile screed I’ve come across. If you know of anything fouler, I’d be curious to know what it is.

            People who believe the Talmud and put it into practice will call hatred down upon themselves as surely as night follows day.

            Damning quotes from the Talmud are abundant in the above Freedman links starting in part ii, so I won’t paste them here. But here are some sentiments expressed by Talmudist leaders:

            The Tanya (Chabad scripture)

            “The souls of the nations of the world (i.e. all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.), however, emanate from the other, unclean ‘kelipot’ (evil forces) which contain no good whatever.” (Tanya, New York/London: Kehot Publication Society, 1973, p. 5)

            “However, the ‘kelipot’ (evil forces) are subdivided into two grades, one lower than the other. The lower grade consists of the three ‘kelipot’ which are altogether unclean and evil, containing no good whatever. From them flow and derive the souls of all the nations of the world (i.e. all Christians, Muslims, etc.), and the existence of their bodies, and also the souls of all living creatures that are unclean and unfit for consumption.” (ibid., Chapter 6, p. 25)

            “To elucidate still further, it is necessary to clarify the meaning of the verse ‘The candle of God is the soul of (neshamah) of man.’ What it means is that the souls of Jews, who are called ‘man’, are, by way of illustration, like the flame of the candle, whose nature it is always to scintillate upwards….Now this is a general principle in the whole realm of holiness….This stands in direct contrast to the so-called ‘Kelipah’ (evil forces) and ‘sitra achara’ (the other, evil side), where from are derived the souls of the Gentiles….Therefore they (the Gentiles) are called ‘dead.'” (ibid., Chapter 19, pp. 77, 79)

            Thus, Chabad lumps all Gentiles with pigs, snakes, worms, and all other “creatures that are unclean and unfit for consumption.” There are also comparisons to dogs: “Thus an Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles are compared to dogs.” (Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, London: Pluto Press, 1994, p. 94)
            —————
            Menachem Mendel Schneerson (Chabad Rebbe)

            https://www.henrymakow.com/historian_demands_action_on_do.html

            Schneerson believes Jews are the acme of Creation: “The general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”

            When Schneerson died in 1994, he was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal for his contribution to “global morals.” According to Schneerson, Jews are the Priests while the Noahide Laws provide “a religion for the rank and file.”

            Here is a quote from the Lubavitcher “Rebbe” Menachem Mendel Sneerson from Chabad’s official Noahide website:

            “The main avodah[spiritual mission] of this generation is to go out to the final war of the golus[Jews living in the Gentile world], to conquer and to purify all the gentile countries (such that ‘and kingship will be Hashem’s,’ Ovadiah 1:21).”
            ——
            Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, president of the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the settlement of Yitzhar:

            ‘Any trial based on the assumption that Jews and goyim are equal is a total travesty of injustice,’ he said. ‘We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing.'” (“An Israeli Mayor Is Under Scrutiny,” The New York Times, June 6, 1989, p. 5)

            “As for the Goyim….Zalman’s attitude (was): ‘Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.’…If every single cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, and is thus a part of G-d, then every strand of DNA is a part of G-d. Therefore, something is special about Jewish DNA. If a Jew needs a liver, can he take the liver of an innocent non-Jew to save him? The Torah would probably permit to take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by, to save the Jew. There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.” (The Jewish Week, April 26, 1996; cited in Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, London: Pluto Press, 1999, pp. 43, 62)
            ————–
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef

            Ovadia Yosef (September 24, 1920 – October 7, 2013) was an Iraqi-born Talmudic scholar, a posek, the Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1973 to 1983, and the founder and long-time spiritual leader of Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Shas party. Yosef’s responsa were highly regarded within Haredi circles, particularly among Mizrahi communities, among whom he was regarded as “the most important living halakhic authority”.

            In an October 2010 sermon, Yosef stated that “The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews”. He said that Gentiles served a divine purpose:

            “Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created.”[74] ”

            In the same article in The Jerusalem Post, according to the journalist who interviewed him, Yosef compared Gentiles to donkeys whose life has the sole purpose to serve the master: “In Israel, death has no dominion over them…With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but (God) will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant…That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
            ———–
            Rabbi Waton:

            “Judaism is communism, internationalism, the universal brotherhood of man, the emancipation of the working class and the human society. It is with these spiritual weapons that the Jews will conquer the world and the human race. The races and the nations will cheerfully submit to the spiritual power of Judaism, and all will become Jews.”
            ~Rabbi Harry Waton, A Program For Jews and Humanity (1939), p. 100

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:14 am,
            CFS says:

            Kevin,
            The Israelis took desert and rocks and created viable agricultural land by sucking up Mediterranean Sea water and desalination get it. There never has been a “swamp” in Israel. Even the closest thing to a swamp…the Dead Sea, is hardly describable as a swamp.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:31 am,
            Big Al says:

            One for Israel, CFS.

            I still maintain that some of their actions are way over the top when it comes to the use of force. I will say that they definitely accomplish what they are setting out to accomplish.

            Are they trying to take over The Middle East and/or the world. I personally believe that is a huge exageration.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 2:31 pm,
            GH says:

            Big Al,

            Do you acknowledge that they run virtually the entire global monetary system?

            Do you deny they exercise overwhelming control of all aspects of media in the US?

            “Over the top” — So if I invade someone’s house and kill a couple of the family members and lock the rest in the basement, is that ‘over the top’ or is it a heinous crime?

            Do you deny the studies and history that shows most Jews have absolutely no ancestral roots in Palestine? It seems pretty clear-cut. So what justifies what they have done? Anti-semitism and the Holocaust? Why didn’t they take what the USSR offered, instead of stealing what wasn’t?

          • On May 13, 2018 at 2:37 pm,
            GH says:

            And, even more to the point, Al, what do you make of the countless Jews who have express exactly the intention that you are denying? I’ve put plenty of quotes about this, and there are far more. It’s a recurring theme going back many centuries.

            Are non-PC facts to be disregarded?

        • On May 12, 2018 at 7:11 pm,
          GH says:

          Though Americans are taught that WW1 ‘just kind of happened’ as a result of entangling alliances and a random assassination, it’s much more believable that WW1 was started by the Rothschild-dominated Brits to prevent the rapidly rising Germans from challenging their power. The assassin was a Jew.

          Germans certainly bear no more responsibility for that war than anyone else.

          The Germans were winning, but the Jewish bankers repaid the hospitality that Germany had shown Jews fleeing from Eastern European persecution by making a deal with the Brits–give us Palestine, and we’ll bring America into the war. They did, and that led to the horribly unjust treaty of Versailles, which treated Germany as if they were to blame.

          All of this was about destroying countries that stood in the way of the bankers’ ambitions–they managed to break Germany, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian/Hapsburg Empire.

          http://www.conspiracyschool.com/sites/default/files/resources/William%20Engdahl%20-%20A%20Century%20of%20War.pdf

          Also youtube Benjamin Freedman.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 5:39 am,
        terra,laser says:

        KfK,

        You appear to have assumed a teaching role when you wrote “That is the first concept that needs clarity for the current situation.” That Palestine does not meet the definition/criteria of a country really has little bearing on the events on the ground and associated loss of life and homes etc. I fail to see the connection of your statement to the actual events on the ground.

        Your statement “There is massive deception happening on many different levels.” Welcome to humanity – many of us learned that concept in sunday school as early as five years of age.

        Your last sentence, “This is a very simplified comment on a very complicated situation, I realize, but once these axioms are taken hold of, things fall into place a little more clearly.” Well yes – so simplified of a comment to be of value to………who?

        What “axioms” are you referring to?

    • On May 13, 2018 at 7:18 pm,
      Robert Moriarty says:

      Kevin from Kanada:

      Actually since you are being accurate to a fine point, you also have to admit there is no such country called Israel.

      Countries have internationally recognized borders. Israel has no borders.

      When you realize there is a mob of religious fanatics stealing all the land they can in the Middle East and lying about everything they do, things get a lot more clear. Zionism isn’t a religion, it’s a cult.

  16. On May 12, 2018 at 1:00 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    Just interesting to follow the point Kevin just made……..
    http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/hebrew/palestine.html

    • On May 12, 2018 at 1:47 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Check out the KJV….1611……

      • On May 12, 2018 at 7:30 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        “Palestine” in the Bible
        by Paul Sumner
        The names “Palestine” and “Palestina” occur four times in the Old Testament portion of the King James Bible (1611), the most influential English translation in history.
        What have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Sidon,
        and all the coasts of Palestine? (Joel 3:4a = 4:4a Heb)
        The people shall hear, and be afraid;
        sorrow shall take hold of the inhabitants of Palestina.
        (Exod 15:14)

        Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina … (Isa 14:29a)

        Howl, O gate; cry, O city,
        thou whole Palestina, art dissolved. (Isa 14:31a)

        A few English versions since the KJV occasionally use “Palestine.” But the majority use the term “Philistia.” For example: Exod 15:14; Isa 14:29, 31; Joel 3:4; Ps 60:8; 83:7; 87:4; 108:9. [Note 1]

        “Palestine” does not occur in the New Testament.

        Whence “Palestine”
        The oldest known historical reference to “Palestine” is in the work of Greek historian Herodotus (ca. 484–425). He says Palaistine is “part of Syria” along the Mediterranean coast. [Note 2]

        palaistine
        Some 500 years later, Jewish historian Josephus (AD/CE 37-100) quotes Herodotus in referring to “Syria of Palaistine” and “the Syrians that are in Palaistine are circumcised.” But Josephus quickly “corrects” Herodotus by noting that the only “inhabitants of Palaistine [who] are circumcised [are] Jews.” This is a key comment: Jews lived in Palaistine. [Note 3]

        The 4th century church historian Eusebius (writing in Greek) twice mentions “Palaistine” in his Ecclesiastical History (2.2.6; 7.15.1). He notes that the Mediterranean coastal city Caesarea is in that region (today: central Israel, north of Tel Aviv).

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        In the Hebrew Bible there is one word behind the various English renderings Palestine, Palestina, and Philistia. It is Peleshet.

        peleshet

        Note the consonant link between Hebrew and Greek.
        Peleshet [Hebrew]: P-L-SH-T
        Palaistine [Greek]: P-L-S-T [there is no “sh” sound in Greek]
        The geographical term Peleshet is used eight times in the Hebrew Bible (Exod 15:14; Isa 14:29, 31; Joel 4:4[=3:4 Eng], Pss 60:10[=v.8 Eng], 83:8[7], 87:4, 108:10[9]).

        The inhabitants of Peleshet are Pelishtim, a plural noun that occurs 287x in the HB (Gen 10:14; 26:1; Exod 13:17, etc.), mostly in Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel, and 1 Chronicles. Lexicons say the root palash is a verb meaning to roll (in dust or ashes) as an act of mourning (Jer 6:26; Ezek 27:30; Mic 1:10). How that relates to the people (rollers, mourners) is not clear.

        peleshet
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        The Pelishtim
        From the time the Israelites first entered Canaan, under Joshua’s leadership, the “Philistines” were perennial enemies. Their center of power was the Pentapolis, a cluster of five cities along the coast of southern Canaan: Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, Gath, and Gaza. [See map below.] Their influence, however, stretched farther north up the coast.

        The warrior giant Goliath (from the city of Gath) taunted the timid Jewish battle lines with emphatic ethnic bluster: “I am the Philistine” [anokhi ha-Pelishti]” (1 Sam 17:8). Interestingly, the Greek Septuagint renders his boast as: “I Am Foreigner” [ego eimi allophulos].

        pelishti
        Goliath’s boast fires up teenager David’s famous response: “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin; but I come against you in the name of Yahveh Tzeva’ot, the God of the ranks of Israel, whom you have defied” (1 Sam 17:45).

        The three main gods in the Pelishtim pantheon were Dagon (Judg 16:23; 1 Sam 5:1-7), Ashtoreth (Judg 10:6; 1 Sam 31:10), and Baal-Zebub (2 Kgs 1:1-6, 16).

        Some 200 years after David, Isaiah condemns his fellow Judeans for forsaking God’s “light” and for being “full [of practices] from the East…[abounding] in customs of the aliens.” These include “soothsaying like the Philistines [Pelishtim]” (Isa 2:5-6).

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        Septuagint Translation
        The Septuagint (LXX) one time renders “Peleshet” as a reference to the people: Phulistiim (Philistines, Exod 15:14).

        Everywhere else, “Peleshet” is translated by the Greek hoi Allophuloi, “the Foreigners.” This rendering is also reflected in Isaiah 2:5-6 which refers to “the land of the Allophuloi and many strange [allophuloi] children were born to them.”
        peleshet — Isa 14:29, 31; Joel 4:4 [3:4 Eng], Ps 59:10 [60:8 Eng], 82:8 [83:7 Eng], 86:4 [87:4 Eng], and 107:10 [108:9 Eng].
        Clearly, the Jewish scholars in Egypt who did the LXX considered the Pelishtim as aliens and strangers. Some might view this as an historical irony, since the Israelites arrived in Canaan after the Pelishtim. But the Biblical perspective is that the Land was an eternal gift from God to the Israelites, alone. Everyone else was a foreigner — in His land.

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        Whence the Pelishtim
        Evidence from Egyptian inscriptions identifies the Pelishtim as “Sea Peoples.” Pottery from the cities of Ekron and Ashdod in Philistia mirrors styles in Cyprus, and the temple at Tell Qasile (near Tel Aviv) is similar to ones in the Aegean Sea area and on Cyprus. No inscriptions in a Philistine language have been found, suggesting they adopted the languages where they invaded.

        Amos refers to “the Pelishtim from Caphtor” (Amos 9:7). Jeremiah forewarns that “the day is coming” when “YHVH will ravage the Pelishtim [who are] the remnant from the island of Caphtor” (Jer 47:4). Archeologists believe Caphtor is likely the island of Crete. Zephaniah says:

        Woe to the inhabitants of the seacoast,
        The nation of the Cherethites! [Heb: KeReiTim; cf. CReTe]
        The word of YHVH is against you,
        O Canaan, land of the Philistines. (Zeph 9:7)
        Ezekiel makes the Cherethite—Philistine connection fairly explicit: “Thus said Lord YHVH: I will stretch out my hand against the Philistines and cut off the Cherethites and wipe out the last survivors of the seacoast” (Ezek 25:15-16).

        Herodotus heard that the “Phoenicians” (Philistines) had “formerly dwelt…by the Red Sea,” but moved up to “inhabit the seacoast of Syria” (modern coast of Israel into Lebanon) (7.89.2).

        Conclusion
        In the Hebrew Bible, the coastal land Peleshet (Philistia) is occupied by the Pelishtim (Philistines) who originated from the Aegean Sea area, including Cyprus and Caphtor-Ceret-Crete.

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        “Palestine” in Christian Bibles
        Neither “Palestina” or “Philistia” occur in the Greek New Testament.

        Nearly all Bible translations today use “Philistia” in their Old Testament portions for the original Hebrew Peleshet. This designates the geographical area along the coast of Israel and southern Lebanon (including Tyre and Sidon). A few Christian versions have “Palestine” in their biblical text or in marginal notes. They may do this to orient readers to modern political boundaries.

        Some may have biased theological motives.

        The Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims (revised 1899) has “the people of Palestine” at Jeremiah 47:1 and “the daughters of Palestine” at Ezekiel 16:57. In both verses the Hebrew reads “Pelishtim” (Philistines).

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        • On May 12, 2018 at 7:37 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Some people are reading from the wrong text………..

          • On May 12, 2018 at 7:38 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Iron sharpening iron……….

          • On May 13, 2018 at 8:40 pm,
            Kevin from Kanada says:

            As OOTB Jerry has just pointed out, the Pleleshtim were invaders, or emigrants from Crete that set up the 5 kingdoms of the Philistines. There was no country called Palestine, no indigenous people or language called Palestinian. All the emotional positions laid out above get in the way of proper discernment. Using “all” or “every” really isn’t appropriate. There are some people, who seem to be of Jewish ancestry, that are running banks. Banksters, I call them. There are some people, who seem to be of Jewish ancestry, running media firms, large corps, and so on. I don’t say that “ALL” Americans are power hungry, colonial imitating, white supremacists. I think I can identify certain groups that hold some of these lines of thinking, but wow, everyone? (I am just WAITING for reactions to that statement…)

            Bob M: My understanding is that there were areas of swamp back in the ’40’s. I am aware of the desalination operations, though.

            There was once a country called Israel. Just as there was once a country called Assyria, Elam, Edom, Moab, and others. The land has been bequeathed to Abraham’s descendants, through Isaac and Jacob. I appreciate all thoughts given, but I need to point out that your argument isn’t with me, but with your Creator, with whom you will have to answer.

          • On May 14, 2018 at 5:30 am,
            GH says:

            Among other things, I presented evidence from a Jewish geneticist that most ‘Jews’ are not Semites, not Abraham’s descendants.

            You can brush that off as an opinion or an emotional position. But it is you making assertions without backing.

          • On May 14, 2018 at 7:16 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            NOTE TO KEVIN……..
            It would be a good idea, to read the post concerning the Ashkenazi Jew, which GH, posted above……….
            As informed Christians, we need to have some of this info., so the wool is not pulled over our eyes. This is not taught in sunday school.
            Hope this post reaches you with kindness in mind.
            OOTB Jerry

        • On May 14, 2018 at 5:25 am,
          GH says:

          “All the emotional positions laid out above”

          I presented plenty of evidence above, Kevin. Where have you presented any?

          • On May 14, 2018 at 9:07 am,
            b says:

            Jerry
            Out of interest, why are the Sumerian records not considered by christians?

          • On May 14, 2018 at 10:03 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            b.. GOOD Question…

            Just in general…..christians want to be spoon fed, and just pew warm on the day of rest… only, studying what the church wants to teach, which is not always the truth.
            Most churches, I believe, … avoid, topics , which lead to confusion.
            Example, Enoch…….and giants…..only , considering or mentioning, in passing.
            Salvation….and getting you from entering hell, is a tough enough challenge for the churches…..jmo.
            But, …today, Abrahamic covenant or the Promise….gets the attention of most christians…..
            Starting with Abram…or Abraham….and the division which is then and now, …we are still taking about this same issue, that Abram and Sarah caused .

          • On May 14, 2018 at 10:29 am,
            b says:

            Thx Jerry

          • On May 14, 2018 at 10:54 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Thanks for asking…….I think there is a lot in these tablets, ….which can provide answers, and give further confirmation as to what is written or mentioned in the Bible. KJV

  17. On May 12, 2018 at 2:18 pm,
    russell hamilton says:

    Hi : I dont believe the situation in california , really restricts the use of ice or fbi agent from picking up or deporting border crossers. ICE can do more if feds put more agents in cal. I dont believe much would happen to a rural sherriff if they went ahead and held a person for ICE. Its more lf an issue in LA or Frisco . best of health of wealth to you all S

  18. On May 12, 2018 at 7:44 pm,
    JohnK says:

    It has been said that money is the root of all evil.
    Actually it is not money but Usury.
    How ignoring 4,000 years of economic wisdom has led us to the brink.
    To ignore Usury is to become the people Jesus warned us about.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 5:57 am,
      terra,laser says:

      Hi JohnK, I do not think the scripture says or teaches that money alone is the root of all evil but rather the “love of money is the root of all evil (I Tim 6:10). The teachings point to the fallacy of placing the desire for gaining money over things like loving/fearing the almighty and treating others as we would have ourselves be treated.

      On usury – Islam strictly prohibits…most westerners today would not embrace that. After their dispersion, the Jews sometimes became bankers since the jewish law allowed charging usury to non-jews

      • On May 13, 2018 at 7:37 am,
        JohnK says:

        My bad terra, thank-you. I’m only as far as Ecclesiastes in my Bible reading.
        My point being regardless of your faith “USURY” is a plausible explanation for the mess we find ourselves in today as a civilization.
        Proverbs 28:6
        Better to be poor and honest
        than to be dishonest and rich

        • On May 13, 2018 at 11:39 am,
          Big Al says:

          I completely agree with you JohnK as I know it for an absolute fact.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 11:57 am,
          terra,laser says:

          Agree JohnK. Usury does seem to be at the root of many of our problems. Would be interesting for those on this site familiar with the history of usury over the last 2000 years to comment. I know some early thinkers argued the existence of fair market value of money and things then changed. No doubt in my mind that most economic problems over the last few hundred years (at a minimum) and all the associated wars originate in one form or another from the misuse and/or abuse of usury.

    • On May 12, 2018 at 8:07 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      A Big sucking sound as Illini leave Illinois ……..
      Evidently, that wasn’t reality-shock enough. This week the Chicago Fed published that proposal formally. It’s linked here.

      It surely ranks among the most blatantly inhumane and foolish ideas we’ve seen yet.

      Homeowners with houses worth $250,000 would pay an additional $2,500 per year in property taxes, those with homes worth $500,000 would pay an additional $5,000, and those with homes worth $1 million would pay an additional $10,000.

      • On May 12, 2018 at 8:07 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Pinch em on the arce as they they leave…………

        • On May 12, 2018 at 8:09 pm,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Really, their brains are toast ……….

          • On May 12, 2018 at 8:11 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            If, they want to see what Chicago will look like , visit Gary,Indiana……..

          • On May 13, 2018 at 5:39 am,
            JohnK says:

            According to the 1995 prospectus from Trump Hotels & Casino Resort Holdings required by federal securities law were 24 reasons not to invest in the Trump Enterprise.
            One of them listed was the contemplated assault on the virginal riverboat gambling market
            of Gary, Indiana.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 7:42 am,
        JohnK says:

        In 1992 Ross Perot said and I quote “We will hear that great sucking sound”

  19. On May 13, 2018 at 4:57 am,
    JohnK says:

    Here is a quote from Abraham Lincoln. Like him or not:
    The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity.
    The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy,more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.
    They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.
    I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me , and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.
    As a most desirable consequence of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an
    era of high corruption in high places will follow. The money power will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working on the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed.

  20. On May 13, 2018 at 6:48 am,
    Chartster says:

    Who’s right and who’s wrong can be debated for many years regarding Israel and the rest of the Middle East. The move to place the Jewish people in Israel was made by the oligarch families to control the oil, banking and military. They just use religion as the excuse to control.
    Iran has been controlled by the oligarchs since the CIA coup in 1953. Iran and Israel are both part of the long term destabilization plan. Both using the court of public opinion to keep the game going.

    Post ww2 the Marshall plan money was used for reconstruction of many countries. However, most of the money was used for the oligarchs to take control and enrich them selves. Iran, Israel and N Korea are good examples. In America Truman stole the money for infrastructure and gave the CIA an unlimited pool of funds to control the masses. Think mockingbird and pay to play everything government related. Russia got nothing and had to turn communist to keep the people from learning how hard they got screwed.

    Which brings us to now, the next 70 year financial cycle that the oligarchs are fighting to control. Trump, Putin and the rest of the world are going to do the right thing this time.

    That’s the big picture flyover.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 7:47 am,
      JohnK says:

      Charster :
      I think you forgot to set your altimeter before you took off.
      Next time I recommend the train.
      https://sputniknews.com/business/201805121064379680-china-iran-railway/

      • On May 13, 2018 at 8:53 am,
        Chartster says:

        Once Iran gets handled, there will be rail and pipe laid all over the M E connecting Asia and Russia through the istans.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 9:04 am,
          JohnK says:

          Chartster:
          I’m not that clairvoyant. Please expound how Iran “gets handled”

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:14 am,
            Chartster says:

            Much like N Korea and Soudi Arabia.
            Give the government the opportunity to drain the swamp and get rid of the deep state spooks that control the country. Giving power back to the people. I would say it’s gonna happen, but it’s already happening.
            ( follow the bouncing ball )

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:33 am,
            Big Al says:

            Chartster, from what I see going on, I completely agree with you regarding your comment. Thank you.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:23 am,
            JohnK says:

            The “Deep State ” doesn’t control the country. The bankers do, and the way they have done it is with “USURY”.
            First though they had to buy the Congress.
            Why do you think we as a Country are 21 Trillion dollars in debt plus interest?
            The Deep State?
            You are funny Chartster.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:28 am,
            Big Al says:

            John K,

            Because of a personal experience that I went through with Well Fargo, I agree with you completely on this one. I had to get an attorney to rectify my problem, but I did rectify it.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:37 am,
            Big Al says:

            Here is my simple opinion, JohnK.

            I cannot comment with any degree of accuracy on the existence or lack thereof of nuclear development in Iran. I can comment on the issue of Iran’s recent military action with missles. Was it reported correctly? Hell, I really don’t know for sure. I do know that Iran will probably not repeat that action. Is that a good thing? You tell me.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 2:43 pm,
            GH says:

            Who’s reporting on it, Al?

            Media that unfailingly shields the Zionists from criticism, and sells their wars to Americans.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 9:39 am,
          Big Al says:

          Please elaborate as I don’t know what the word “istans” means.

          What is your opinion of the potential pipeline?

          • On May 13, 2018 at 10:10 am,
            JohnK says:

            Pipeline. The sooner we deplete our fossil fuels, the sooner we will become energy self sufficient through available technology or technology that hasn’t been invented yet.
            I believe the Banks and Big Oil would rather we kept our focus on the middle East instead of funding and exploring new energy alternatives.

  21. On May 13, 2018 at 7:46 am,
    Markedtofuture says:

    Iran Nuke Deal — Bribes, Treason and Fraud – Dave Janda By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog (Early Sunday Release)

    Dave Janda, host of the popular radio show called “Operation Freedom,” says the Iran nuclear deal (also known as the JCPOA) is an unsigned scam with huge implications of “treason and fraud.” Janda says, besides the public not being told it was never signed by Iran, they were also lied to about the enormous amounts of cash brought to Iran on pallets. It’s way more than the $1 billion or so the Obama Administration admitted to giving the number one state sponsor of terror. Janda, who has high ranking sources in Intel, politics and law enforcement, explains, “Everybody got a piece of this. My contacts say when this happens, the cash gets lighter. (Meaning, everybody gets a cut of the money.) I spoke to my contacts about the cash part of this and, according to my contacts behind the curtain about this stuff, they say it’s more than the $1.5 billion that folks have been speaking about, significantly more. My contacts are also convinced that some of that cash was filtered back to Obama, the Clinton Foundation, John Kerry himself, but not through him, through accounts through his wife Teresa. The money also went to (George) Soros and to European leaders. You can understand why Angele Merkel came jetting over to talk to Trump on the Iranian deal and why Macron came over. . . . Some of this money was laundered through the banking syndicate, which the Rothschilds are huge players.”

    So, the Western leaders, who were a part of this Iran no signature “deal,” are up for treason and fraud? Janda says, “Yes, based on the information my sources are telling me.”

    It gets worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgXsouZaNYc

    • On May 13, 2018 at 8:02 am,
      GH says:

      I like Dave Janda, so I found this interesting and will give it a listen.

      One huge red herring: ” the number one state sponsor of terror.”

      Nonsense. Those are Israel, the UK, and the USA.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 11:22 am,
        Big Al says:

        There are some different opinions on that GH.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 2:44 pm,
          GH says:

          Obviously, Al.

          There are also facts, whether one wants to do the work to figure them out or not.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 2:46 pm,
          GH says:

          What do you call destroying Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine? Then there are the others I can’t find time to follow: Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, etc.

          5-7 million dead in the last 17 years and ten times that many turned into refugees?

          I’m starting to wonder about your moral compass, Al.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 7:30 pm,
          Robert Moriarty says:

          Al:

          How many people have died as a result of Iranian terror in the last 25 years compared to how many have died to US terror in the last two years or Israel in the last six weeks?

          To suggest there is a real debate on where the terror comes from is to ignore reality.

          Iran supports groups who think that living in a country for 5000 years give you some rights. Iran thinks that supporting the democratically elected president of a country against foreign sponsored terrorists is reasonable. You can call it terror if you choose but if you went to Libya or Iraq or Tehran or Gaza or Afghanastan who do you think they would vote for as chief terrorists?

    • On May 13, 2018 at 11:38 am,
      Big Al says:

      Thank for the comment Markdtofuture.

  22. On May 13, 2018 at 7:48 am,
    CFS says:

    I would like to make some observations. I believe them to be true, and despite what Mr. Moriarty may claim, I am neither pro-Jew or anti-Arab. (I do consider myself anti-Muslim, simply because I believe the misogyny and intolerance in that religion unacceptable in modern civilized societies.)
    I believe during the negotiations for the creation of Israel that it was Trans Jordan where Palestinians living in the area of land given to Israel were intended to be resettled if they chose not to live under Israeli rule.

    I notice an extraordinary difference between American and European attitudes towards Israel. There is much less hatred of Jews prevalent in Europe.(For example, in the Eurovision Song Contest just last night, the Israeli entry won. The Eurovision contest has always had voting by the general public on political lines, and I personally thought the Israeli song was bad on many grounds, although it did tap into the feminist me2 agenda, as did several of the other entries.)

    I have stayed in Israel and Egypt and Jordan. When I was staying in Tel Aviv a few years ago, I thought that Israel was amazingly tolerant of the rockets being lobbed in. I was never very worried about being killed by one of the Hezbollah rockets, because they were randomly fired in and tended mostly to break windows, knock holes in roves, etc. My problem was that starting at about 10:p.m. A at night AND followed every one and a half to two hours there would be a Big Bang of a rocket explosion that would wake me up. After a few nights of that I had had enough loss of sleep that I flew over to Cyprus to get some rest. I’ pretty sure if I was forced to live and suffer rockets every night, I would be in favor of nuking Hezbollah in the Gaza Strip out of existence. The Israelis have been amazingly understanding that it is not all Palestinians using rockets against them, just terrorists.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 8:33 am,
      GH says:

      And how would you feel if you were in the Gazans’ shoes, CFS?

      What you say about yourself is one thing; what your comments say about you is another.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 8:46 am,
        JohnK says:

        GH:
        CFS conveniently left out what he actually does believe in other than himself.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 9:50 am,
          CFS says:

          JohnK,
          I actually consider myself neutral.
          I go to Israel because of my interest in fine art, and to the Middle East because of interest in archeology.
          Tel Aviv just happens to be the location of several good artists. The fact that they are probably Jews is not particularly relevant to me. I go where I can buy good art, with the greatest choice and best prices.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 10:20 am,
            JohnK says:

            CFS:
            When it comes to killing people there is no “neutral”
            Your discourse reminds me of a quote by Allan Greenspan who said Americans were losing money by not signing up for one year adjustable rate mortgages.
            Maybe more like G W Bush who reminded us that it was our Patriotic duty to go to the mall and shop after 9/11.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 9:30 am,
        CFS says:

        I was simply saying I found the loss of sleep unacceptable, and I extracted myself from that situation.
        If I had not been able to physically remove myself from Tel Aviv, I would have been sufficiently annoyed that I would condone force to eliminate the problem which is caused by the Gazans who know where the launch sites are and support the rockets. Hezbollah deliberately launches rockets from civilian sites so that retaliation will inflict civilian casualties so that Israel will be criticized. The rockets would not be happening without the blessing of the Palestinian population in general and Iran supplying the a moments and money.

        • On May 13, 2018 at 9:45 am,
          CFS says:

          Darned iPad I corrected armaments to “a moments”

        • On May 13, 2018 at 9:58 am,
          JohnK says:

          CFS:
          At some point American Imperialism will bite us in the ass.You cannot keep killing innocent women and children and not expect some form of retaliation.
          America’s continual turning a blind eye towards are supposed allies have left us.
          1 Financially Bankrupt
          2. Morally Bankrupt
          3. Spiritually Bankrupt.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:58 am,
            JohnK says:

            our

          • On May 13, 2018 at 9:59 am,
            JohnK says:

            damn brain

      • On May 13, 2018 at 11:21 am,
        Big Al says:

        Morning GH If I were answering your question, I would say that I would do everything that I could to work for a two state solution. From the situation, as I understand it, peach would not be an impossibility. The right representative, in my opinion could put that through.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 11:35 am,
      Big Al says:

      Interesting comment CSF, I would like to believe that. Notice I said “would like”. I have never gone to Israel and probably never will given th circumstances in my life.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 7:36 pm,
      Robert Moriarty says:

      CFS:

      You spend a lot of time explaining how you are not Jewish and then go on to expand on the Mossad party line.

      If Israel has a right to self defense, should Gaza have the same right? If Israel has a right to self defense, should Syria, should Iran, should Libya?

      Funny how the defense minister of Israel believes all 30,000 unarmed protestors in Gaza would make great targets. I have lost track of the number of protestors killed, it has to be above 50 in the last 6 weeks with another 2000 or so shot. So far not a single member of the IDF has suffered anything worse that some shoulder pain from recoil.

  23. On May 13, 2018 at 7:51 am,
    CFS says:

    Oops. Roofs not roves.

  24. On May 13, 2018 at 9:36 am,
    JohnK says:

    Here’s some Military history how we treated our WW1 Veterans.
    The Bonus Army were the 43,000 marchers—17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1932 to demand cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Organizers called the demonstrators the “Bonus Expeditionary Force”, to echo the name of World War I’s American Expeditionary Forces, while the media referred to them as the “Bonus Army” or “Bonus Marchers”. The contingent was led by Walter W. Waters, a former sergeant.
    Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldierbore a face value equal to the soldier’s promised payment compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their certificates.
    On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the Army to clear the marchers’ campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned
    Much like the predatory practices of the Big Banks towards Military families during the Gulf War.
    The Deep State?

  25. On May 13, 2018 at 9:48 am,
    JohnK says:

    In 1978 The Supreme Court ruled that where the bank is located overruled States USURY laws in Marquette National Bank of Minneapolis vs. First Omaha Servive Corp.
    If a bank could locate in a State with high or no Usury limits they could export the high rates to any State in the Country.If a bank could get one State to wipe out it’s Usury laws that would effectively wipe out the usury laws in all the States.
    Your bought and paid for Supreme Court as well.

  26. On May 13, 2018 at 10:28 am,
    JohnK says:

    Here is another signed by G W Bush.
    The Bankruptcy Reform Act where one of the provisions of the Bill made sure child support payments would no longer take precedence over all credit card debt.

  27. On May 13, 2018 at 10:35 am,
    JohnK says:

    Don’t forget Jimmy Carter who signed the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act.
    The two edged sword that allowed banks to pay depositors high rates and at the same time charge them high rates for credit.
    Absolutely Brilliant.
    We know how that worked out.

  28. On May 13, 2018 at 10:45 am,
    JohnK says:

    To big to fail and the Greenspan Put.
    MBS
    CMO
    CLO
    CDO
    All losses covered by the Federal Reserve or more accurately,the American Public.
    “USURY”

  29. On May 13, 2018 at 3:17 pm,
    Markedtofuture says:

    The Rothschild Syria Connection – Major Revelations

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTMy9ma2mQ

    • On May 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Where have you been………..IRISH POSTED THAT TWICE …..check FRIDAY AND SAT…

  30. On May 13, 2018 at 4:38 pm,
    JohnK says:

    Another one that doesn’t get any air time is the portion of home value as a percentage Americans actually own. In 2010 the figure was below 50%.
    I know your going to tell me that no one forces you to borrow money. The American dream is to own your own home. Realisticallly who has that much money around to pay cash? Of course the answer is the banker who has levered deposits to the tune of 33 to 1.
    Now the banker loans you the money and takes a synthetic credit guarantee on your loan and hopes you default.
    Of course this behavior is encouraged by to big to fail. Make no doubt about it, the banker will get paid.
    This same behavior is exhibited by our allies that know America has their back. Why wouldn’t they?

    • On May 13, 2018 at 5:28 pm,
      JohnK says:

      OOTB :
      Turns out the exchanges moving into Crypto’s is partially a function of demographics . With an aging U S population less people are investing in the markets, the focus has turned to the millennials.
      The greater share of workers over the age of thirty five, so it can be shown,the greater share of household assets committed to stock and bonds.
      The demographic school of market analysis implies that there is scarcely anything else to know about markets except the age of the workforce.

      • On May 13, 2018 at 5:50 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        Recovery time, …..for a bad investment, ……..favors the millennials……..

        • On May 13, 2018 at 5:55 pm,
          JohnK says:

          That use to be true. I do not believe so much any more. 21 Trillion plus interest will turn into to much of a drag.
          Financially the millennials will be strapped by the oncoming inflation and the devaluation of the U S Dollar.
          I think their only hope is Jubilee.

          • On May 13, 2018 at 6:02 pm,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            I agree with the Jubilee…………

  31. On May 13, 2018 at 5:19 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:
  32. On May 13, 2018 at 5:41 pm,
    JohnK says:

    30 years of stagnant wages.
    Usury is charged to every person for every basic need, even if they avoid indebtedness. And as
    Prices have gone perpetually higher,wages have stalled or dropped. Capital is employed first,
    Labor is employed second. If labor can be eliminated by borrowing more capital,then a loan is secured and the worker dismissed. If cheap labor can be found overseas,the local worker is dismissed.The usury must be paid first and if it is not the enterprise is closed down. The opportunities for labor dry up, competition for jobs increases, and wages drop even more.
    Usury demands support and a continuous increase.

    • On May 13, 2018 at 6:23 pm,
      terra,laser says:

      …yes…and when honest questions are voiced about events like Mandalay Bay…these same interests label those asking the questions as conspiracy nuts…and told to ‘move along now’

  33. On May 13, 2018 at 6:26 pm,
    JohnK says:

    Here’s a good one. Its called the rule of 72.To find how long it would take to double your money at 8% interest ,divide 8 into 72=9 years
    so if one penny had been loaned at 8% interest in the year 1 A.D,by the year 2010 you would have 151,966,733,600,974,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,.00

    • On May 13, 2018 at 6:47 pm,
      terra,laser says:

      A guy named Al Bartlett spoke widely about “The Greatest Shortcoming of the Human Race is Our Inability to Understand the Exponential Function” see

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8

      Almost in any case, exponential growth is unsustainable…history is replete with lessons of this

    • On May 14, 2018 at 5:13 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      Good one JOHN…….I have been talking about the RULE OF 72 , since I arrived here on the KER………NO ONE GETS IT>>>>>>

      • On May 14, 2018 at 5:14 am,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        You can go to about any bank in the USA, and the tellers/banksters can not tell you what the RULE OF 72 is, or how it works,….how convenient…….. 🙂

        • On May 14, 2018 at 5:47 am,
          JohnK says:

          OOTB:
          It took a while to get past the constant brain washing,at least in my case.
          Once you start to understand the simple truths of finance, making money in the market becomes a lot easier.With that being said, the members of our Congress will go down in History as some of the biggest traitors this Country has ever seen.

          • On May 14, 2018 at 6:39 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            JOHN………..I agree 100%

          • On May 14, 2018 at 6:41 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Everyone has been Brain washed,,,and it still continues……..
            I have been telling Christians for over 30 yrs….concerning bondage.
            I even taught a course , concerning the same.
            Most , still do not get it.

          • On May 14, 2018 at 6:46 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            1 Corinthians 1:27 King James Version (KJV)
            27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

  34. On May 13, 2018 at 7:03 pm,
    JohnK says:

    The past 30 years have seen the greatest redistribution of wealth in the history of the U.S.
    And the money went from the middle class to the corporate elites.
    The increasing wealth gap coincided exactly with the lifting of limits on “USURY”.
    This is not a coincidence.

    • On May 14, 2018 at 3:01 am,
      terra,laser says:

      Thomas Jefferson: “In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.”

      Article I, Section 10 of US Constitution, “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts”.

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