Our feelings on the reasons for U.S. involvement in Afghanistan.
Big Al says: “This is truly an interesting issue for discussion. We will post a Daily Editorial on this subject in 45 minutes as right now it is impossible. I am posting the text below in hopes that we will receive some comments that we can also discuss. Thanks for this input Eddy from the “Bigwig” as you erroneously call me.”
| RE: A Trillion Wasted Rebuilding Afghanistan |
| Jim McKinney | Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM | |
| To: Alexander Korelin <alkorelin@gmail.com> | ||
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Cannot disagree and thank you JohnK.
Let me guess Mr McKinneys favorite two Presidents are Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter pardoned the draft dodgers. FWIW
Thanks for the explanation JohK.
For what it is worth, I volunteered when I was a junior at the Univ of Wash.
JohnK:
If it weren’t for the draft dodgers we would still be in Vietnam and people like JM would be carefully explaining why it’s a good thing to fight a war for 64 years.
The draft dodgers were the heroes of Vietnam, not the military.
Fentanyl overdoses are exploding. Now hurry up and get some more of that Black Tar Heroin in the U.S.
Sure you will tell me that the U S Government has nothing to do with drugs. Just like Bolivia Cocaine numbers went from 85 tons in 1984 to 250 tons exported in 1986.
What happened to your go to guy from the CIA Steven Bueshe?
Are You Serious?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGa7w_16gzU&t=0s
Thank God I do not attend this idiot’s church!
John K,
Opiods need to be stopped, from Afghanistan and the biggest problem China. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan are my favorites, Trump is climbing up there. You are right, I chose to fight, be thankful someone does – it is a very ugly world, more ugly out there than here, I’ve lived it – someone needs to keep it that way. Appreciate your comments. God Bless
Mr McKinney, I would be interested with you to share your religious beliefs as well. We always are in the dark as to this as I believe this is the most important point when debating Ideologies.
For the record I am a Third generation Veteran of America as well.
JM:
Portugal ended its drug problem. They realized drugs were a medical issue, not a legal issue.
The US government loves illegal drugs, it’s a war that has gone on for 104 years since the Harrison Tax act and has given the government literally unlimited power.
He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster .
Lots of reasons to believe the war on drugs is an absolute farce.
Who were the families that sold opium into China 150 years ago? What are the odds that none of them are still in the biz?
Restoration of opium production in Afghanistan…mission accomplished?
Yesterday I said somebody should ask you what the last three books you read that didn’t have a renewal form in the middle. I’m listening.
My first reaction was wow.
But since I saw mr mckinny respond to john k, I will ask, mr mckinny, are you aware that it is us that supplies,trains and funds isis?
I believe I noticed you saying we should fight them.
The other names of “moderate rebels” al nusra, sham, white helmets and whatever they call themselves this week, are you aware they are all isis?
Have you noticed the weapons caches found in syria? where they came from?
I asume you realise that we,us, the U.S. promote the growing of poppys, that its the taliban that stops it.
Ill stop, I could go on and on with what your saying, so Ill just ask, are you aware its us that created,supports,trains,supplies and funds isis?
I gotta ask that much.
And don’t you know, b, it was Trump who defeated Isis, not Syria and Russia and Hezbollah and Iran.
9/11 was just what our gov said it was.
If we stay the course, we will teach the world to understand our way is THE way. What better investment could there be?
Besides, we’ve got God’s Chosen behind us, so why waste energy thinking?
Its amazing isnt it?
Afgan is a total loss. Leave now , the locals dont care its not a real country and the locals dont wont one. If we dont leave now 10 years from now we will have too. Trumpet is all over the place and spends more time on nonsense than working as president . REPUBS need to grow up and send in Pence rather than have 6 more mlnths of chaos . love to you all S
It is no coincidence that the Salt 1 and Salt 2 talks gave rise to the NeoConservitive (NeoCon). When in 1989 the former Soviet Union abandoned the Cold War, the NeoCons and the Military Industrial Complex were left with no other choice than the diabolical terrorist.
The real terrorists are those who have robbed our Children and Grand Children.
We did not find ourselves as a Country over 21 Trillion in debt just yesterday. Until people can wake up and understand killing more people will never be the answer, all the rest of us can do is pray for them.
Boys, you all make good arguments that no rational person can argue with but it is hopeless.
The McKinney’s of this world are calling the shots so the US involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia…the list is endless…will continue as it has and even escalate.
Face it boys, it’s the MIC’s world and we are just spectators. Might makes right and the MIC has the might. You can voice your opinions all you want but it’s not going to change anything.
The US will continue blowing tens of billions every year in Afghanistan and even more elsewhere until the country is destroyed in debt, inflation and repressive taxation. And of course create ever more enemies for you.
Now, I suggest you all get back to work so you can pay your taxes. Uncle has lot’s of “nation building” to do and you must pay for it.
Hi Eddy:
Mr McKinney is easy to find, you have to look no further than your local KFC.
The U.S will stop waging war when the other Countries of the World stop buying our debt.It’s really pretty simple.
The U S needs 3 Billion every day, that is 80% of Worlds savings. Something is going to give.In the mean time……………….
You are right that something has to give.
The one thing I know is that our rulers will do everything they can to put the squeeze on their tax livestock. The MIC and all the other swamp creatures will ride their gravy train as long as they possibly can and we are the ones who will pay dearly in so many ways. But I would expect nothing else from a corrupt empire.
KFC= Chickens voting for Colonel Sanders. Classic Ebolan
Have you read this book?
https://www.amazon.com/Fools-Errand-Time-End-Afghanistan/dp/1548650218
The author wipes the floor with the arguments McKinney makes.
Mr. Big Al Korelin would do his audience a favor and get this guy on his show instead of continuously having McKinney on to spout the same old tired interventionist tripe that is bankrupting the country.
Or better yet, Mr. Big Al Korelin, why don’t you broadcast a debate? McKinney vs Horton. You’re a bigwig so I’m sure you could pull it off if you want.
I’d pay to hear that as well as a McKinney vs Bob Moriarty debate!
McKinney’s arguments are suitable for a recent high school grad of average intelligence, and that’s about it.
thanks for the book.
Eddy, Did you happen to listen to what both Jim and I actually said?
I wonder if Jim McKinney understands basic physics, for him to continue to shamelessly pass on the 9/11 lie.
He is bought paid for, brainwashed, patriotic whatever you want to call it.
I would imagine he would see the logic in killing children as being “worth it”.
Set,horus,ying, yang,jesus,lucifer,lite and dark.
You would think people would eventually figure it out.
The Israelis or Zionist (as Zion meant the land of Israel about 5-600 bc) ya think people would realize what side they support by supporting those that murder defenseless men women and children.
Zionists, they are evil, ya think Jesus is happy about “christians for Israel”?
Him and me have that in common, neither one of us is christian. lol
If ya get a free hour, that video I posted of the Japanese journalist is a good story of what he has seen in Israel and Palestine.
And here’s the video McKinney referred to in the email. It has many examples of waste and our own gooberment admits to the waste. But hey, it’s just cherry picking according to McKinney so nothing to see here folks, just move along now.
http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-millions-wasted-rebuilding-afghanistan/
Remember, the “reconstruction” alone has cost you over a trillion dollars and more is being sunk into this bottomless pit with no end in sight.
And remember, you must pay for it.
Remember to thank him for his service.
Yup, we’re getting serviced good and hard.
Also, don’t forget that Trump is the peace president according to Chartster. See, I am too stupid to play 4D chess so I can’t possibly understand that.
And speaking of getting serviced good and hard, where I live last year we had big tax increases for the roads. And guess what, now we are told if we want the roads fixed we will need an additional sales tax increase.
You see, no matter how much the gooberment steals in taxes, borrows or prints there is never enough money to fix the roads here but ALWAYS plenty of money for “reconstruction” in Afghanistan, now matter how much waste, fraud and abuse:
http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-millions-wasted-rebuilding-afghanistan/
I don’t want to argue but isn’t that in essence what we said?
Beliefs in a dangerous world simultaneously frightens people and provides a certain level of psychological comfort. That apparent paradox is explicable with an understanding of how beliefs operate and how they help account not only for political behavior but also for all human activity.
Delusions of Danger: Geopolitical Fear and Indispensability in U S Foreign Policy.
Christopher J Fettweis
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.- Sinclair-
Planting the seeds of doubt in influential minds, seeds that can germinate and grow over time, may well prove enough to tilt the balance of national debate toward reason.
I have tried to get these seeds to grow in Mr. Big Al Korelin’s head but so far nothing I can tell has sprouted.
Increasingly I’m noticing that people who come from families that don’t have the generational roots associated with this Country tend to think a little differently.
Just an observation.
I’ve noticed the same, JohnK.
Most Americans concentrate on American losses they never consider the human casualties of the Afghanistan people. If Americans think they have suffered they don’t know what suffering is all about. America is a country that is very inward, they created this mess and all they can think about is themselves. Big Al, is a fool if he even thinks that there should be an American military presence in any country other than his own. DT
Couldn’t agree more. This is why Americans have no clue regarding blow-back. McKinney is certainly clueless or he know this very well, in which case he is evil considering the position he has taken.
A percentage of informed people realize that Afghanistan was invaded by the US military in order to secure the poppy fields that were being destroyed by the Taliban, such that US Marines now guard those fields for the farmers. The heroin produced helps fund the CIA/Black Ops projects, no matter the responsibility. This is called the “narco-dollar” in various financial circles.
Is it possible that that could be true without Jim McKinney knowing it? He wouldn’t deceive us about it, would he? Even if it were for a ‘higher cause’?
I would like for McKinney to go and listen to Kevin Shipp……..the X CIA agent…..and then come back an report to us.
See what he thinks we can do about the SHADOW GOVT.
an to and
BEZO……..way out of control…….
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-23/aclu-demands-amazon-stop-selling-affordable-mass-surveillance-police
Hey Jerry, you see this? One of your favorite Congress Critters.
dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2018/05/heh_20.html
Maxie……..could qualify for “brain freeze”……..
At least Afghanistan now has a half decent cricket team – which I guess is good for nation building, they’re good at 20:20 cricket
Well, it’s good to know that over a trillion dollars will get you a half decent cricket team.
It is sad to think that the rubbish Jim McKinney spews is even considered as dialogue worthy of considering. America is so arrogant that they don’t even understand simple human interactions like ” do unto others as you would do unto yourself”, instead their foreign policy is don’t do what I do, do what I say.” DT
Ryuichi Hirokawa: Witness from the East
While working on a kibbutz in 1967, a Japanese journalist discovers the hidden remains of a Palestinian village.
blob:https://players.brightcove.net/f34fa978-29da-404f-ba17-709da06482e8
this is 2 parts, the 2nd part shows a little of what mckinny is supporting in afganistan.
its 50 mins.
The first part shows what the Christians for Israel are supporting, I guess the american gov, army, banks etc as well.
This was just presented about 12 hours ago.
b:
Your link doesn’t work
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/
Ryuichi Hirokawa: Witness from the East
While working on a kibbutz in 1967, a Japanese journalist discovers the hidden remains of a Palestinian village.
sorry bout that, maybe that works.
if not its google “al jezeera world”
Another example of political corruption to buy votes:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-law-repeal-bill-jared-polis-2018-5
THANKS MUCH FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS GUYS!
Fragile: Pentagon report raises alarm that US industry can’t support war for much longer
https://www.rt.com/usa/427593-pentagon-report-munitions-bombs/
Seems the us is running out of weapons, they’re having trouble maintaining equipment as well.
I seriously doubt, the Shadow Govt….CIA, and the insiders , care if there is equipment, …only that they get the funds for the equipment, and then stick the cash in their pockets, and give some to their friends…….see, Kevin Shipp..x cia
Still looking for the $21 Trillion, missing from CIA, and Pentagon…..
jerry, u might find that one interesting, the funds dont matter if the manufacturing material is not available to purchase.
There is also interesting info on the readiness of equipment, the U.S. might have the largest military by #s, but half? might not be combat ready anytime soon.
Too much corruption to keep it all maintained is my guess.
Ditto on the …….TOO MUCH CORRUPTION…….
Interesting……..thanks for the post…….b.
One example is Dechlorane, a flame retardant used in insulation on all US missile systems. The sole source of the material is the Belgian company Occidental Chemical. Worse yet, the precursor to make Dechlorane used to come from China, but is no longer available, “so there is now no source for Dechlorane in the world.”
Dang……….1186 bombs in Afgan in the first quarter of 2018……
Remember someone said……..there is SILVER in every bomb, that goes off, ….makes ya wonder, why the price of silver is controlled………
I was just thinkin, maybe thats what ends the empire, sumtins gotta.
Who woulda thunk plain ol run outta ammo? sorta funny in a way.
Great comments……….
I do understand why we needed to increase troops to help the Afgan people and their military. Right now Iran and Pakistan are problems that need to be handled. And it’s finally going in the right direction.
Saying that 911 originated from Afghanistan is just spouting the script until the truth goes public, or being completely brainwashed.
Osama Binladin was CIA asset Tim Osman. (Hoax-stooge)
911 was an inside job. Anyone with common sense knows this.
We just keep , give the information, and some just do not believe it,……
Sad part is if , you do not have a PHD, no one thinks you are aware of anything.
People who have studied this, have more hours in , that it takes to get a PHD.
PHDs, are just members of group think. If, you think like and talk the game, you get the degree.
that to than
Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.
– Mark Twain
Thats funny.
Ditto……… good one Chartster…….. 🙂 🙂 🙂
And that is the Damn Truth………
I STILL want to know how McKinney squares serving in unconstitutional conflicts with defending the Constitution.
Do we taxpayers not deserve an explanation?
If Ehren Watada was wrong, why wasn’t he prosecuted?
I doubt he has read the constitution……..wonder if , he has read the KJV……
Just because you read it, does not mean that you understand it……… 🙂
What would a Washington or Patton or a Robert E. Lee have to say about a 17-year-old nation-building exercise, when told it’s a “long term investments that will pay in time, if we hold”?
Who’s actually trying to destroy the US with a real chance of succeeding? Mr. McKinney might look into those responsable for the 1965 Immigration and Nationality act if he actually wants to know.
Wonderful,…. Lee got to donate his land for the nations best war cemetery……..
Patton has the best war museum ……..at FT.Knox……….jmo
Interesting that Mr. McKinney recognizes that the US is turning into a police state, but does not understand that it is the flip side of the coin to the international crusade that he supports.
It’s not exactly a new concept that a standing army is a grave threat to a constitutional republic.
Lock and Load………
I bet , he knows nothing about…..Poppy Bush,,,,,nor 9/11
Was there a single positive comment on this thread?
A blank thread might make a clearer statement.
i.e. an empty comments section.
Will those who acted as if the Skripal poisoning were credible even admit their error, much less learn a lesson?
In the interest of listening to all sides it would be nice to hear from, off the top of my head PCR, Perkins or Perloff someone like that.
Maybe Syrian Girl or Brother Nathanial, course thats alot of truth, maybe just PCR?
America’s anti war voice was silenced with the elimination of conscription. As long as we have a volunteer force, everybody that ends up dead does so by their own choice. How convenient.
If we still had the draft it would be a totally different story.