Science, Politics, and COVID: Will Truth Prevail?

Science, Politics, and COVID: Will Truth Prevail?

February 2021 • Volume 50, Number 2 • Scott W. Atlas

Scott W. Atlas
Hoover Institution


Scott W. Atlas

Scott W. Atlas is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He previously served for 14 years as professor and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center. He earned his B.S. from the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign and his M.D. from the University of Chicago School of Medicine. An ad hoc member of the Nominating Committee for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology, he was a senior health care advisor to a number of presidential candidates in 2008, 2012, and 2016. From July to December 2020, he served as Special Advisor to President Trump and as a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. He is the editor of Magnetic Resonance Imaging of the Brain and Spine, now in its fifth edition, and is the author of several books, including Restoring Quality Health Care: A Six-Point Plan for Comprehensive Reform at Lower Cost.


The following is adapted from a speech delivered on February 18, 2021, at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona.

The COVID pandemic has been a tragedy, no doubt. But it has exposed profound issues in America that threaten the principles of freedom and order that we Americans often take for granted. 

First, I have been shocked at the unprecedented exertion of power by the government since last March—issuing unilateral decrees, ordering the closure of businesses, churches, and schools, restricting personal movement, mandating behavior, and suspending indefinitely basic freedoms. Second, I was and remain stunned—almost frightened—at the acquiescence of the American people to such destructive, arbitrary, and wholly unscientific rules, restrictions, and mandates.

The pandemic also brought to the forefront things we have known existed and have tolerated for years: media bias, the decline of academic freedom on campuses, the heavy hand of Big Tech, and—now more obviously than ever—the politicization of science. Ultimately, the freedom of Americans to seek and state what they believe to be the truth is at risk.

Let me say at the outset that I, like all of us, acknowledge that the consequences of the COVID pandemic and its management have been enormous. Over 500,000 American deaths have been attributed to the virus; more will follow. Even after almost a year, the pandemic still paralyzes our country. And despite all efforts, there has been an undeniable failure to stop cases from escalating and to prevent hospitalizations and deaths. 

But there is also an unacknowledged reality: almost every state and major city in the U.S., with a handful of exceptions, have implemented severe restrictions for many months, including closures of businesses and in-person schools, mobility restrictions and curfews, quarantines, limits on group gatherings, and mask mandates dating back to at least last summer. And despite any myths to the contrary, social mobility tracking of Americans and data from Gallup, YouGov, the COVID-19 Consortium, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have all shown significant reductions of movement as well as a consistently high percentage of mask-wearing since the late summer, similar to the extent seen in Western Europe and approaching the extent seen in Asia. 

With what results?

All legitimate policy scholars today should be reexamining the policies that have severely harmed America’s children and families, while failing to save the elderly. Numerous studies, including one from Stanford University’s infectious disease scientists and epidemiologists Benavid, Oh, Bhattacharya, and Ioannides have shown that the mitigating impact of the extraordinary measures used in almost every state was small at best—and usually harmful. President Biden himself openly admitted the lack of efficacy of these measures in his January 22 speech to the nation: “There is nothing we can do,” he said, “to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months.” 

Bizarrely, though, many want to blame those who opposed lockdowns and mandates for the failure of the very lockdowns and mandates that were widely implemented.

Besides their limited value in containing the virus, lockdown policies have been extraordinarily harmful. The harms to children of suspending in-person schooling are dramatic, including poor learning, school dropouts, social isolation, and suicidal ideation, most of which are far worse for lower income groups. A recent study confirms that up to 78 percent of cancers were never detected due to missed screening over a three-month period. If one extrapolates to the entire country, 750,000 to over a million new cancer cases over a nine-month period will have gone undetected. That health disaster adds to missed critical surgeries, delayed presentations of pediatric illnesses, heart attack and stroke patients too afraid to go to the hospital, and others—all well documented.

Beyond hospital care, the CDC reported four-fold increases in depression, three-fold increases in anxiety symptoms, and a doubling of suicidal ideation, particularly among young adults after the first few months of lockdowns, echoing American Medical Association reports of drug overdoses and suicides. Domestic and child abuse have been skyrocketing due to the isolation and loss of jobs. Given that many schools have been closed, hundreds of thousands of abuse cases have gone unreported, since schools are commonly where abuse is noticed. Finally, the unemployment shock from lockdowns, according to a recent National Bureau of Economic Research study, will generate a three percent increase in the mortality rate and a 0.5 percent drop in life expectancy over the next 15 years, disproportionately affecting African-Americans and women. That translates into what the study refers to as a “staggering” 890,000 additional U.S. deaths. 

We know we have not yet seen the full extent of the damage from the lockdowns, because the effects will continue to be felt for decades. Perhaps that is why lockdowns were not recommended in previous pandemic response analyses, even for diseases with far higher death rates. 

To determine the best path forward, shouldn’t policymakers objectively consider the impact both of the virus and of anti-virus policies to date? This points to the importance of health policy, my own particular field, which requires a broader scope than that of epidemiologists and basic scientists. In the case of COVID, it requires taking into account the fact that lockdowns and other significant restrictions on individuals have been extraordinarily harmful—even deadly—especially for the working class and the poor. 

***

Optimistically, we should be seeing the light at the end of the long tunnel with the rollout of vaccines, now being administered at a rate of one million to 1.5 million per day. On the other hand, using logic that would appeal to Lewis Carroll’s Mad Hatter, in many states the vaccines were initially administered more frequently to healthier and younger people than to those at greatest risk from the virus. The argument was made that children should be among the first to be vaccinated, although children are at extremely low risk from the virus and are proven not to be significant spreaders to adults. Likewise, we heard the Kafka-esque idea promoted that teachers must be vaccinated before teaching in person, when schools are one of the lowest risk environments and the vast majority of teachers are not high risk.

Worse, we hear so-called experts on TV warning that social distancing, masks, and other restrictions will still be necessary after people are vaccinated! All indications are that those in power have no intention of allowing Americans to live normally—which for Americans means to live freely—again.

And sadly, just as in Galileo’s time, the root of our problem lies in “the experts” and vested academic interests. At many universities—which are supposed to be America’s centers for critical thinking—those with views contrary to those of “the experts” currently in power find themselves intimidated. Many have become afraid to speak up. 

But the suppression of academic freedom is not the extent of the problem on America’s campuses. 

To take Stanford, where I work, as an example, some professors have resorted to toxic smears in opinion pieces and organized rebukes aimed at those of us who criticized the failed health policies of the past year and who dared to serve our country under a president they despised—the latter apparently being the ultimate transgression. 

Defamatory attacks with malicious intent based on straw-man arguments and out-of-context distortions are not acceptable in American society, let alone in our universities. There has been an attempt to intimidate and discredit me using falsifications and misrepresentations. This violates Stanford’s Code of Conduct, damages the Stanford name, and abuses the trust that parents and society place in educators.

It is understandable that most Stanford professors are not experts in the field of health policy and are ignorant of the data about the COVID pandemic. But that does not excuse the fact that some called recommendations that I made “falsehoods and misrepresentations of science.” That was a lie, and no matter how often lies are repeated by politically-driven accusers, and regardless of how often those lies are echoed in biased media, lies will never be true. 

We all must pray to God that the infamous claim attributed to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels—“A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth”—never becomes operative in the United States of America.

All of the policies I recommended to President Trump were designed to reduce both the spread of the virus to the most vulnerable and the economic, health, and social harms of anti-COVID policies for those impacted the most—small businesses, the working class, and the poor. I was one of the first to push for increasing protections for those most at risk, particularly the elderly. At the same time, almost a year ago, I recognized that we must also consider the enormous harms to physical and mental health, as well as the deaths attributable to the draconian policies implemented to contain the infection. That is the goal of public health policy—to minimize all harms, not simply to stop a virus at all costs.

The claim in a recent Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) opinion piece by three Stanford professors that “nearly all public health experts were concerned that [Scott Atlas’s] recommendations could lead to tens of thousands (or more) of unnecessary deaths in the U.S. alone” is patently false and absurd on its face. As pointed out by Dr. Joel Zinberg in National Review, the Great Barrington Declaration—a proposal co-authored by medical scientists and epidemiologists from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford—“is closer to the one condemned in the JAMA article than anything Atlas said.” Yet the Great Barrington Declaration has already been signed by over 50,000 medical and public health practitioners. 

When critics display such ignorance about the scope of views held by experts, it exposes their bias and disqualifies their authority on these issues. Indeed, it is almost beyond parody that these same critics wrote that “professionalism demands honesty about what [experts] know and do not know.” 

I have explained the fact that younger people have little risk from this infection, and I have explained the biological fact of herd immunity—just like Harvard epidemiologist Katherine Yih did. That is very different from proposing that people be deliberately exposed and infected—which I have never suggested, although I have been accused of doing so. 

I have also been accused of “argu[ing] that many public health orders aimed at increasing social distancing could be forgone without ill effects.” To the contrary, I have repeatedly called for mitigation measures, including extra sanitization, social distancing, masks, group limits, testing, and other increased protections to limit the spread and damage from the coronavirus. I explicitly called for augmenting protection of those at risk—in dozens of on-the-record presentations, interviews, and written pieces. 

My accusers have ignored my explicit, emphatic public denials about supporting the spread of the infection unchecked to achieve herd immunity—denials quoted widely in the media. Perhaps this is because my views are not the real object of their criticism. Perhaps it is because their true motive is to “cancel” anyone who accepted the call to serve America in the Trump administration. 

For many months, I have been vilified after calling for opening in-person schools—in line with Harvard Professors Martin Kulldorf and Katherine Yih and Stanford Professor Jay Bhattacharya—but my policy recommendation has been corroborated repeatedly by the literature. The compelling case to open schools is now admitted even in publications like The Atlantic, which has noted: “Research from around the world has, since the beginning of the pandemic, indicated that people under 18, and especially younger kids, are less susceptible to infection, less likely to experience severe symptoms, and far less likely to be hospitalized or die.” The subhead of the article was even clearer: “We’ve known for months that young children are less susceptible to serious infection and less likely to transmit the coronavirus.” 

When the JAMA accusers wrote that I “disputed the need for masks,” they misrepresented my words. My advice on mask usage has been consistent: “Wear a mask when you cannot socially distance.” At the time, this matched the published recommendations of the World Health Organization (WHO). This past December, the WHO modified its recommendation: “In areas where the virus is circulating, masks should be worn when you’re in crowded settings, where you can’t be at least one meter [roughly three feet] from others, and in rooms with poor or unknown ventilation”—in other words, not at all times by everyone. This also matches the recommendation of the National Institutes of Health document Prevention and Prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 Infection: “When consistent distancing is not possible, face coverings may further reduce the spread of infectious droplets from individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection to others.”

Regarding universal masks, 38 states have implemented mask mandates, most of them since at least the summer, with almost all the rest having mandates in their major cities. Widespread, general population mask usage has shown little empirical utility in terms of preventing cases, even though citing or describing evidence against their utility has been censored. Denmark also performed a randomized controlled study that showed that widespread mask usage had only minimal impact.

This is the reality: those who insist that universal mask usage has absolutely proven effective at controlling the spread of the COVID virus and is universally recommended according to “the science” are deliberately ignoring the evidence to the contrary. It is they who are propagating false and misleading information.

Those who say it is unethical, even dangerous, to question broad population mask mandates must also explain why many top infectious disease scientists and public health organizations question the efficacy of general population masking. Tom Jefferson and Carl Heneghan of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, for instance, wrote that “despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks.” Oxford epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta says there is no need for masks unless one is elderly or high risk. Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya has said that “mask mandates are not supported by the scientific data. . . . There is no scientific evidence that mask mandates work to slow the spread of the disease.”

Throughout this pandemic, the WHO’s “Advice on the use of masks in the context of COVID-19” has included the following statement: “At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID-19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.” The CDC, in a review of influenza pandemics in May 2020, “did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility.” And until the WHO removed it on October 21, 2020—soon after Twitter censored a tweet of mine highlighting the quote—the WHO had published the fact that “the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider.” 

My advice on masks all along has been based on scientific data and matched the advice of many of the top scientists and public health organizations throughout the world.

***

At this point, one could make a reasonable case that those who continue to push societal restrictions without acknowledging their failures and the serious harms they caused are themselves putting forth dangerous misinformation. Despite that, I will not call for their official rebuke or punishment. I will not try to cancel them. I will not try to extinguish their opinions. And I will not lie to distort their words and defame them. To do so would repeat the shameful stifling of discourse that is critical to educating the public and arriving at the scientific truths we desperately need. 

If this shameful behavior continues, university mottos like Harvard’s “Truth,” Stanford’s “The Winds of Freedom Blow,” and Yale’s “Light and Truth” will need major revision. 

Big Tech has piled on with its own heavy hand to help eliminate discussion of conflicting evidence. Without permitting open debate and admission of errors, we might never be able to respond effectively to any future crisis. Indeed, open debate should be more than permitted—it should be encouraged.

As a health policy scholar for over 15 years and as a professor at elite universities for 30 years, I am shocked and dismayed that so many faculty members at these universities are now dangerously intolerant of opinions contrary to their favored narrative. Some even go further, distorting and misrepresenting words to delegitimize and even punish those of us willing to serve the country in the administration of a president they loathe. It is their own behavior, to quote the Stanford professors who have attacked me, that “violates the core values of [Stanford] faculty and the expectations under the Stanford Code of Conduct, which states that we all ‘are responsible for sustaining the high ethical standards of this institution.’” In addition to violating standards of ethical behavior among colleagues, this behavior falls short of simple human decency.

If academic leaders fail to renounce such unethical conduct, increasing numbers of academics will be unwilling to serve their country in contentious times. As educators, as parents, as fellow citizens, that would be the worst possible legacy to leave to our children. 

I also fear that the idea of science as a search for truth—a search utilizing the empirical scientific method—has been seriously damaged. Even the world’s leading scientific journals—The Lancet, New England Journal of MedicineScience, and Nature—have been contaminated by politics. What is more concerning, many in the public and in the scientific community have become fatigued by the arguments—and fatigue will allow fallacy to triumph over truth.

With social media acting as the arbiter of allowable discussion, and with continued censorship and cancellation of those with views challenging the “accepted narrative,” the United States is on the verge of losing its cherished freedoms. It is not at all clear whether our democratic republic will survive—but it is clear it will not survive unless more people begin to step up in defense of freedom of thought and speech.


Comments:
  1. On March 20, 2021 at 7:01 pm,
    cfs says:

    The truth always comes out eventually:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhiefUo29-E

    • On March 21, 2021 at 4:58 pm,
      Big Al says:

      CFS, here is what really terrifies me:
      ” It is not at all clear whether our democratic republic will survive—but it is clear it will not survive unless more people begin to step up in defense of freedom of thought and speech.”
      It terrifies me because it discusses the very foundation of what once was the greatest country in the world and, for that matter once save almost an entire race of people.

      How can we all sleep at night and refuse to be well informed?

  2. On March 20, 2021 at 7:23 pm,
    cfs says:

    Trump erred in taking the advice of Fauci. Trump should have realized Fauci was incompetent by at least the third time Fauci changed his opinion. (Late April 2020.)
    Certainly Covid-19 was a novel disease and we had to learn its quirks and where it was most dangerous, but this was fairly well established before last year was half over.
    Trump was correct in ignoring the advice of the WHO and restricting travel relatively quickly. However the time gained in slowing the spread was not well utilized in developing good therapeutics quickly. Here, perhaps, the arrogance of America was partly to blame, while third world countries were utilizing cheap anti-malarial drugs quite effectively against the disease.
    The media, almost totally opposed to anything Trump might choose to do, certainly did not help.

    • On March 21, 2021 at 4:59 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Many of the enemies of Trump are truly responsible for the deaths of untold thousands of people!

  3. On March 20, 2021 at 7:51 pm,
    cfs says:

    It worries me that our senile geriatric leader believes it is reasonable to rule by diktat of executive order, not by discussion and compromise. It worries me most of all that he seems aligned with China.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01RIW7CSwBc

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:02 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Asia and Eastern Europe have made dishonest members of his family stageringly wealthy.

      • On March 21, 2021 at 5:03 pm,
        Big Al says:

        Correct me if I am wrong. Is it not dishonest to use cocaine as a recreational drug. Are there not thousands of incarerated people in prison because of this personal use?

  4. On March 20, 2021 at 8:31 pm,
    cfs says:
  5. On March 21, 2021 at 6:01 am,
    cfs says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Te5al2APrQ

    I am not a climate expert, but I can and I HAVE examined the physics of climate change.
    In my highly educated opinion including over fifty years of experience of physics theory, I can definitively state that the climate experts have over-simplified their modelling of the earth’s climate to make their model so incomplete as to be close to useless.
    Modelling of the earth’s climate is difficult because it involves a large number of assumptions. There are many glaring errors of omission in the official international model.
    Here is one example, that if it changes, alone, could nullify their calculations.
    The official climate model assumes NO MAJOR VOLCANIC ERUPTION INTO THE EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE. Yet we are about to enter into an era when major volcanic eruptions are probable.
    The solar system is not coplanar with our galaxy, but periodically moves above and below the plane of the galaxy on a period of approximately 24,000 years. Paleontology indicates increased volcanic activity as earth passes from above the plane to below the plane and vice versa. This factor is completely ignored by climate scientists. Unfortunately we are within a few years of such a tansition, AND VISIBLE changes are already occurring on Saturn and Jupiter because of this fact. Earth is next and entry into a new ice age more probable than anthropic global warming.
    The official model also assumes a constant output from our sun. Again an assumption which is erroneous; both short term (11 year sun-spot cycle) and longer term cyclicalities for which the mechanisms are not understood, but are in the paleontologic record.

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:05 pm,
      Big Al says:

      To me, CFS, climate change is the absolute least of our worries!

  6. On March 21, 2021 at 8:10 am,
    larry says:

    The above posted convoluted almost incoherent article is from a total rockefeller medical shill using editorial and propaganda rather than fact and reason…….He calls it a pandemic…It was not…99 plus percent of people who actually had covid survived covid……americas death toll did not rise it shrank, that is not a pandemic….He failed to mention CRP tested false negative was almost 100% causing every illness to be falsify called covid…He did not mention almost no cases of colds and flu exist because they are falsely called covid…..He failed to mention no complete isolate of covid-19 exists, it is genetically printed from artificial intelligent…He failed to mention simple inexpensive medications cure and prevent covid and obviate the need for any let alone untested vaccinations…he failed to mention the medical cartel by design is a tool of social control and health collapse in the new world order…..He failed to mention the disaster of all the vaccines on your g-d given health…He is speaking as a convoluted incomprehensible medical shill using credentials rather than reason…Al always sneaks these shills onto KER…He represents the systems status quo shills lying and killing the public w impunity for over a hundred years now…ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC for years now on ker…..
    https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/the-great-vaccination-hoax-part-ii/

    • On March 21, 2021 at 9:11 am,
      larry says:

      my point was left out…the convoluted rant above is bottom line selling vaccination…The rest of the upchucked rant is to lure you into agreement and thus agree wrongly also to the vaccine……it is propaganda…his bread and butter is the rolling out of vaccines, the money honey, he works for the system and is thinly veiling it in some of the facts you may be aware of…….no money in ivermectin or HCQ or zinc prevention…he is a shill selling vaccines wrapped in outrage at the system that pays him very well…. …he is helping you..LMAO

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:07 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Larry, maybe I am relling misunderstanding you. I thought that to a great extent he was completely agreeing with you.

      I do like Pam, by the way and hope to get her back.

      • On March 21, 2021 at 6:51 pm,
        Big Al says:

        A couple of us just figured our why you are pissed off that Dr. Atlas’s article was posted on OUR site. It was not anything that he said it was the simlple fact that he is a successful doctor. We all want to save you the embarasment of showing your ignorance and a large number of us think that you should either constantly be called a fool or simply put your address in the spam category.

        • On March 22, 2021 at 9:55 am,
          Big Al says:

          Also Larry, this is really getting to be kind of fun for me!

  7. On March 21, 2021 at 8:22 am,
    AJ says:

    Humanity is a cuckoo in the planetary nest
    https://www.ft.com/content/a3285adf-6c5f-4ce4-b055-e85f39ff2988

  8. On March 21, 2021 at 8:53 am,
    larry says:

    the only mentally healthy medical related guest on ker in the past year is Dr. Pam Popper…Also Dr.public health from beverly hills did say HCQ probably prevented covid or even colds and flues…The health clinic lady from England also was connected to reality and voluntarily spoke truth…The rest of the medical shills wrap their mental illness and compliant slavery to the system inside of incoherent rhetoric…a clue you are being lied to….get smart…lamo

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:09 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Tell me where the Doc from Stanford violently disagreed with you. PLEASE

      • On March 21, 2021 at 6:21 pm,
        larry says:

        Al his letter is excellent shrill hyperbole and propaganda and editorialization……not a man of science…..zero science or truth…he is saying that i understand your outrage regarding the masks, the lock downs, the loss of freedoms and i agree…now change it all take action and inject yourself to end this…he is conflating social restrictions w being the need to take the vaccination rather than science showing that need…he is a dirt bag medical shill

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:18 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Hi Larry, maybe I am crazy, but my impression is that the Rock Medicine people support to a very large extent Lockdowns and the Vacination. They certainly do support it in my community. My immpression is that Atlas definitely does not support it.

      Please opine on this, sir.

      • On March 22, 2021 at 6:40 am,
        larry says:

        he says……

        Optimistically, we should be seeing the light at the end of the long tunnel with the rollout of vaccines, now being administered at a rate of one million to 1.5 million per day. On the other hand, using logic that would appeal to Lewis Carroll’s Mad Hatter, in many states the vaccines were initially administered more frequently to healthier and younger people than to those at greatest risk from the virus. The argument was made that children should be among the first to be vaccinated, although children are at extremely low risk from the virus and are proven not to be significant spreaders to adults. Likewise, we heard the Kafka-esque idea promoted that teachers must be vaccinated before teaching in person, when schools are one of the lowest risk environments and the vast majority of teachers are not high risk

        he endorses the experimental untested vaccination of americans for a non demic plandemic…the rest of his hyperbole aside, he serves the system not the truth….but you always attack the messenger of this Al…why, because you are still a brainwashed sheeple for the medical cartel…you have work to do….

        • On March 22, 2021 at 9:32 am,
          Big Al says:

          All I can do in this case is disagree. Let’s see what the vaccine does in terms of speeding up; slowing down; or absolutely nothing pertaining to the spread of Coved. Time will tell. I will either give you credit or pat myself and others on the back. You have my word on that. That proves that I am definitely open minded and not simply selling a product as some others are. Great idea by the way. Imitiation is the sincerest form of flattery.

  9. On March 21, 2021 at 8:54 am,
    larry says:
    • On March 21, 2021 at 9:18 am,
      larry says:

      dr atlas above is another dr. fauci wrapping his vaccination campaign in outrage that your freedoms have been trampled…as long as you take the vaccine the rest of his words are as meaningful as FAuci the beast…remember, the propaganda war on your will and mind is fluid it adapts to your objections and adapts its message to changed awareness…it is a lying mutating virus…take the vaccine…🤡😜💩

      • On March 21, 2021 at 5:20 pm,
        Big Al says:

        Don’t you agree that our freedoms have been trampled?

        • On March 22, 2021 at 6:58 am,
          larry says:

          and so you take a killer vaccine to get your rights back?…that is exactly his sales pitch…sure,be outraged along w him over the social controls brought to you by his medical cartel.. but resolve it by taking his shot.?……really that is how you see things?

          • On March 22, 2021 at 9:24 am,
            Big Al says:

            In this case, a resounding yes! Thanks for providing traffic!

        • On March 22, 2021 at 10:34 am,
          larry says:

          🤡😜💩🔊

  10. On March 21, 2021 at 9:32 am,
    larry says:

    regardless on how the vaccine system shill sells you…they leave out important factors…just like a used car salesman…lmao…no difference at all…grow up

    https://www.brighteon.com/d5e8a434-2d8c-4e2d-ab40-d382adc6a4f9

  11. On March 21, 2021 at 10:16 am,
    Ebolan says:

    With the inflation coming…the little people are going to take it in the 🩳

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:21 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Of course they are Eddie. Another thing to be happy about!

  12. On March 21, 2021 at 10:22 am,
    Ebolan says:

    🐜🐥 🦆🐇 🦝 🦨 🦡 🦫 🦦 🦥🐓 🦃 😈 👿 👹 👺 🤡 💩🤪 😳 🥵 🥶 😱 👻 💀 ☠️ 👽 👾 🤖 ✂️
    😠🤬

    • On March 21, 2021 at 2:50 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      I like the skunk …. 🙂

      • On March 21, 2021 at 5:21 pm,
        Big Al says:

        I personally like the smiley face that looks like it has had way to much to drink!

  13. On March 21, 2021 at 11:04 am,
    Ebolan says:
  14. On March 21, 2021 at 11:09 am,
    Ebolan says:

    BOYS! This is what happens when evil 😈 👿 👹 👺😈 DemoNRats run the country. This is tyranny! Surprised this has lasted as long as it has on screw tube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LihUo-4xkHo

  15. On March 21, 2021 at 2:03 pm,
    larry says:

    most importantly…dr shill atlas totally forgot to mention the entire massive topic of vaccination injury……What about the the 1 out of 23 boys in new jersey study data…vaccination permanently destroyed them for life….only dumb shallow people or shills begin a discussion that if it is called a ‘vaccination’ it is a greater good thing…..unsubstantiated by reality

    https://www.brighteon.com/46705bde-fa3e-4d4d-a7a9-7db13c9c80e3

    • On March 21, 2021 at 2:53 pm,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      the medical association has been destroying a lot of people,for …a long time….

    • On March 21, 2021 at 5:25 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Here is a direct quote from the Atlas article.

      “First I have been shocked at the unpresidented exertion of power by the government since last Mach”

      Just what do you think that means?

      • On March 21, 2021 at 6:37 pm,
        larry says:

        that is theater…it means nothing…he said we have the vaccine , take it…that matters…that is the criminal cartel at work

  16. On March 21, 2021 at 2:48 pm,
    larry says:

    dr atlas medical stiff and stooge makin bank off the status quo which is killing you…thousands of them willingly complicit in destroying amerikas health for over 100 years now…it is an art from…theater…macabre and the truman show

    https://www.brighteon.com/c8b5f02a-b9a7-4792-af56-dd34f61320e8

  17. On March 21, 2021 at 5:28 pm,
    Big Al says:

    How about the government takeover in Miami today? Any comments?

  18. On March 21, 2021 at 5:52 pm,
    cfs says:

    There was a time when I believed that the independent spirit of the American people could overcome any adversity.
    I am no longer sure.
    Have Americans become too diluted by newcomers too eager to hold out their hands for hand-outs from government ?
    Have our schools finally dumbed down our children sufficiently to remove any fighting spirit ?
    Has government finally grown so large that it employs or controls most of the population ?

  19. On March 21, 2021 at 5:57 pm,
    cfs says:

    I see that as soon as the NY GLOBEX opened up PMs were slammed down even harder than usual.

    And yet there is precious little precious metal actually available.

    Now, if ever, people should realize there is NO FREE MARKET in precious metals…..it is all manipulation.

  20. On March 21, 2021 at 6:06 pm,
    cfs says:

    On a lighter note from the Music Capital of the world:

    https://youtu.be/fda7OGFwvOU?t=12

    • On March 21, 2021 at 6:39 pm,
      Big Al says:

      I am areally getting angry because this is offensive to me! I don’t have a racist bone in my body. Just ask my Korean daughter.

  21. On March 21, 2021 at 6:58 pm,
    larry says:

    honest ethical doctors have a totally different expression method than lying selling vaccination profiteering propaganda salespeople like dr atlas…remember dr. popper said that the system uses credentials rather than reason to formulate treatment?…humm…perfect example right…..He is using vaccination as the tool to lighten or eliminate your medically introduced social controls….a satanic deal if ever….if you submit to our shot we may give you back some freedom, slave……get it…living case study regarding medicine as a tool of social control….

    https://www.brighteon.com/5981824309001

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:54 am,
      Big Al says:

      Does your buddy pay you to post his material on our site? Just curious. It is a great marketing ploy!Let me guess, your marketed you dental practice in the same way. Are you aware that to receive commissions for referring dental work is highly unethical.

      • On March 22, 2021 at 10:37 am,
        larry says:

        there you go…an admission of poor analysis…attack the person showing reason…lmao

  22. On March 21, 2021 at 7:13 pm,
    cfs says:

    I knew I did not trust U.S. Media. But it really did sink to a new low; as CNBC is pushing theABSOLUTE FALSEHOOD, that people are not using cash as much because of the risk of contracting Covid-19 from handling cash.

    Yes, there is a risk from standing close to an infected person for a period of time.
    But there is minimal (Probably absolutely ZERO chance of the virus being picked up from cash.)
    Unless the person handing you the cash licks it or spits on it, I suppose.

    CNBC is simply spreading paranoia.

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:50 am,
      Big Al says:

      That would seem to be the case CFS. Thank you

  23. On March 21, 2021 at 9:10 pm,
    cfs says:
    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:47 am,
      Big Al says:

      Why should Biden do anything as this is a major platform of the Democrats?

  24. On March 22, 2021 at 2:50 am,
    cfs says:

    RACISM:
    https://youtu.be/cix91fC7vhc?t=104
    TEACHING RACISM.

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:45 am,
      Big Al says:

      Really interesting reporting by Mr. Beck!

  25. On March 22, 2021 at 3:00 am,
    cfs says:

    The 2020 election was stolen. You want proof. I’ll give you proof:

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/county-emails-georgia-fulton-state-farm%2C

    Why did they lie about that ? If they lied about that, what else did they lie about ?

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:41 am,
      Big Al says:

      Is this a credible site, CFS?

  26. On March 22, 2021 at 3:10 am,
    cfs says:
    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:40 am,
      Big Al says:

      I have to disagree.Biden has to care a lot.That would really hurt the Dems!

  27. On March 22, 2021 at 6:12 am,
    cfs says:

    Meanwhile, south on the border:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xff5mHG2hy8

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:37 am,
      Big Al says:

      Duplicate

  28. On March 22, 2021 at 6:13 am,
    cfs says:

    Meanwhile, south on the border:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xff5mHG2hy8

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:37 am,
      Big Al says:

      That was one of the most interesing videos that I have ever seen. Why did someone pick that woman to be the Press Secretary?

  29. On March 22, 2021 at 6:43 am,
    larry says:
    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:27 am,
      Big Al says:

      Seriously Larry, many thanks for the informative post. I appreciate it!

  30. On March 22, 2021 at 7:01 am,
    larry says:

    lmao…just take your shot and be free again..lmao

    https://www.brighteon.com/d5e8a434-2d8c-4e2d-ab40-d382adc6a4f9

    • On March 22, 2021 at 7:25 am,
      OOTB Jerry says:

      You will never be FREE on this planet……
      The only freedom will be having the Spirit …..which is FREELY GIVEN.
      Death , Burial, Resurrection, real simple to those who believe.
      For those clueless, they will be stuck in the FLESH.
      Big Date coming up…… Most will be lost hunting for Easter Eggs.

      • On March 22, 2021 at 8:25 am,
        larry says:

        Ditto+…..I see the systems ranging about more and more aggressively….they new world order is desperate to contain any hope for freedom from their contrived synthetic arbitrary self serving systems…JEDI warriors requested

        • On March 22, 2021 at 8:56 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Ditto…….. The only recourse for the sheeple, is to revolt against the madness., but, most are just to stupid to see the madness.
          Jesus , did revolt against the money changers… 🙂

          • On March 22, 2021 at 9:00 am,
            Big Al says:

            Yes, He certainly did Jerry. Our Study is now involved seriously studying Acts.

          • On March 22, 2021 at 9:03 am,
            OOTB Jerry says:

            Acts is a good one for the knowledge of the transition……and considering where we are at this point in history……and the transition into the Dispensation of Grace.
            Act 7….The Stoning, of Stephen …starts the ball rolling… 🙂

        • On March 22, 2021 at 9:05 am,
          Big Al says:

          What does “they new world order mean? Or is it simply an ignorant typo?

          • On March 22, 2021 at 10:39 am,
            larry says:

            ok call it globalists if makes you at peace

      • On March 22, 2021 at 9:11 am,
        Big Al says:

        I put it (hunting for Easter Eggs) definitely on the way back burner. I hope that my kids do also as far as my grandchildren are concerned.

        • On March 22, 2021 at 9:36 am,
          OOTB Jerry says:

          Hunting for easter eggs……only promotes the pagan party……..

      • On March 22, 2021 at 9:17 am,
        Big Al says:

        That is what I personally believe, Jerry,and it does keep me free. Thank God

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:23 am,
      Big Al says:

      That is one of the stupidest, if not the stupidest, sales pitches for his products that I have ever heard. But this guy is smart, just like Pelosi. He gets a lot of attention with comments like this. He is preaching to a choir Good for him as he learned well from someone who has been around for over 40 successful years.

  31. On March 22, 2021 at 7:47 am,
    cfs says:
    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:16 am,
      Big Al says:

      Did you ever think just how much attention she is getting by making you absolutelylivid? Did you ever think that she is winning the race with all that attention.

  32. On March 22, 2021 at 8:47 am,
    larry says:

    atlas paid big bucks to sell you the vaccine to make you free from medical tyranny…but 20 plus nations are saying not so fast…lmao

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/03/22/vaccine-twenty-countries-suspend-injections-does-that-make-you-hesitant/

    • On March 22, 2021 at 9:03 am,
      Big Al says:

      Nice to know

  33. On March 22, 2021 at 8:56 am,
    cfs says:
  34. On March 22, 2021 at 9:15 am,
    larry says:

    atlas…take your vaccine and defeat the social sanctions I brought you unnecessarily to do you harm…..i am as outraged as you…lmao…now shut up and take my vaccine…….what that has to do w a non-demic plandemic i have no idea…..
    substitution reason per logic 101…doing the first unrelated thing by magic effects the second unrelated thing?…lmao

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/03/21/the-matrix-revealed-the-trick-behind-occult-systems-revealed/

  35. On March 22, 2021 at 1:20 pm,
    OOTB Jerry says:

    As I said the World has gone mad…….. NWO…..better look out….. not looking good for the idiot elites…..they are going to be ONE BIG TARGET……JMO.

    • On March 22, 2021 at 1:57 pm,
      Big Al says:

      Very possible, OOTB

      • On March 22, 2021 at 5:04 pm,
        OOTB Jerry says:

        7 Billion people on the planet …………..and there are a lot of people that do not like what is happening to themselves…. just saying…

        • On March 22, 2021 at 6:34 pm,
          Big Al says:

          I happen to be one of them….just said