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Big Al
February 27, 2012

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This account of an incident on AirTran Airways flight 297, from Atlanta to Houston, on Nov. 17 has been sent to us by many readers. It was written by Tedd Petruna, who claims that he was on the flight. AirTran Airways, which has posted a point-by-point rebuttal of Petruna’s telling of the events, says flight records indicate that he was not on the flight. The airline says Petruna arrived in Atlanta from Akron, Ohio, 26 minutes after flight 297 departed the gate.

It’s true that there was an incident on flight 297 involving a passenger (by some accounts, of Middle Eastern descent) who wouldn’t turn off a cell phone or camera as the plane was taxiing to the runway, according to several reports. This caused the pilot to take the plane back to the gate and delayed the flight by more than two hours. But Petruna’s account — in which he says he engaged in a physical altercation with what he calls “Muslim” passengers, grabbing a man by the arm and telling him, “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” — hasn’t been corroborated by other passengers, who have told varying, but much less dramatic, accounts. The evidence suggests that Petruna’s e-mail is a tall tale. One passenger says the situation was “unsettling” but people making themselves out to be heroes “live in a fantasy world and I would challenge whether they were even on the plane.”

We called a home number listed for Petruna, but it was no longer in service. We have left a message for him at his workplace, NASA’s Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory, in Houston. We also tried to reach him through a man whose name, e-mail address and cell phone number, along with a message saying he’s a friend of Petruna, appear on many of the chain e-mails. That man’s e-mail address and cell phone are no longer working. Earlier this month, Petruna told KHOU-TV in Houston that he had fabricated some parts of his story, but he insisted, off-camera, that he was on board during the incident.

Here are the varying accounts, starting with the airline’s:

  • AirTran Airways says: “During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.” After speaking with TSA and AirTran officials, the men were allowed to re-board. They were part of a group of 13 men sitting throughout the plane; AirTran doesn’t say whether the men were Middle Eastern, but it says their religion isn’t known. Twelve passengers decided not to take the flight and were re-booked. The flight continued safely to Houston but was delayed by more than two hours.
  • Petruna says in his now viral e-mail message that he believes 11 men on the plane were conducting a “dry run” for a terrorist attack. He says one man called another in the back of the plane and ignored flight attendants’ request to turn off their phones; he also says two men were watching a pornographic video in the back of the plane (even though Petruna says he was in first class) and that one shouted at the flight attendant “shut up infidel dog!” Petruna has since admitted that his tale of the pornographic video isn’t true, telling KHOU-TV in Houston that he also made up his description of the men being dressed “in full [Muslim] attire.” He claims that he and another passenger grabbed two of the men and told them to take their seats. Petruna also told KHOU-TV off-camera: “Due to personal and financial reasons, I can’t speak out about this.”
  • WSB-TV in Atlanta conducted a lengthy on-camera interview with a first-class passenger on the flight, Brent Brown, the chairman and CEO of a security company based in Atlanta. Brown says that AirTran officials mishandled the situation by not communicating with passengers and then calling the incident “a customer service issue.” He says that during taxi, he could see that men of “obvious Middle Eastern descent” were “getting up and down the aisles and [it] looked like they were interacting with each other with cellphones or some kind of electronic device.” Brown says it was “unsettling” and that the flight attendants looked “distressed.” The pilot took the plane back to the gate and after two hours on the ground, the flight continued to Houston, with Brown on board. He says that “it appeared the two biggest problems in the group were not allowed back on,” though AirTran’s statement contradicts that. As for tales, like Petruna’s, of strong-arming of the men by other passengers, Brown says those telling such stories “obviously they live in a fantasy world and I would challenge whether they were even on the plane. But if they were, the action that they said they took, they would have had to walk right past me and then they would have been part of the problem.” He says the actions by the group of men were disconcerting on their own. “The story doesn’t need to be embellished.”
  • The Atlanta Journal-Constitution interviewed a woman who said she was sitting right behind the passenger who would not turn off an electronic device. Nancy Deveikis said that the man was looking at pictures on a camera and that he didn’t understand that the flight attendant, who later grabbed the device from the man, was asking him to turn it off. Deveikis said she thought the man spoke Spanish, and she described the situation as overblown. “Just one flight attendant snowed everyone into believing she had an irate passenger,” Deveikis told the Atlanta paper.
  • One other story has been circulating in cyberspace: A chaplain, Keith A. Robinson, wasn’t on the flight during the incident but did take flight 297 from Atlanta to Houston once it departed the gate for the second time. Robinson wrote in a document he posted on the Internet that a passenger disembarking the plane told him at the gate that “approximately 12 men of Middle Eastern appearance stood up and began dancing and singing in an Arabic dialect.” (Brown told WSB that he didn’t see anyone doing that.) Robinson also says this unnamed passenger told him that the men made gestures with their fingers like they were imaginary guns. In his written account, Robinson says the atmosphere on the plane to Houston, which he was allowed to take, was “tense,” but he describes a flight that arrived safely without incident.

First-person accounts certainly can differ, and they even can be wildly inaccurate. And one person’s tense situation may be another’s misunderstanding. But Petruna’s story isn’t backed up by anyone, and at this point, not even himself. One lesson from this incident: Think before you hit the send button. As passenger Brent Brown says, “I would tell people that if you’re going to embellish a real story, be careful where you post it,” he tells WSB-TV. “It’s going to get out there and you’re going to be embarassed that you embellished something that was already an incredible story.”

– Lori Robertson

Discussion
16 Comments
    Feb 27, 2012 27:29 AM

    Al, I really appreciate this site for more of the economical, resource and precious metal prognostications and analysis from you and Trader Rog than all of the political commentary that has seemingly developed over the last few months. There are a plethora of political commentary blogs and sites if one wants to participate. The above example proves how things can get out of hand in a hurry.

    Can we keep the political commentary down to a minimum?
    For what it’s worth.

      Feb 27, 2012 27:04 PM

      HI David,

      You will see more economic, resource etc. information here.

      I do the political material because, selfishly speaking, I enjoy doing it and I value the comments from our listeners.

      Trust me, more attention will be given to financial, mining, etc issues.

      Best,

      Big Al

        Feb 27, 2012 27:06 PM

        Since you post this kind of information separately,, I do not see any big deal.. IF an individual doesn’t want to spend the time reading any artical they have the choice of
        skipping over it…It , is like reading a newspaper,if you do not want to read the want
        ad, skip over them….
        I personally do not see a problem.
        The only problem with the prior post, it was not true, but, did provide some
        extra time to spend with friends….got to look on the bright side…

          Feb 27, 2012 27:34 PM

          Thanks In the Box,

          We did get it clarified thanks to some listeners!

          Big Al

        Feb 27, 2012 27:20 PM

        Big Al,
        I agree with David. I visit this site for valuable pm information and opinions but I also agree with Jerry O OTB (which is unusual and the only reason I tolerate you is because you are a UF grad and a Gator). Hope you have a sense of humor !! If you don’t like the subject, scroll down until you find something to your liking.

          Feb 27, 2012 27:35 PM

          Thanks Mr. Mabie,

          Big Al

          Feb 27, 2012 27:41 PM

          Jerry M..thanks for the memo…
          You could say, we have developed , one of those” love hate” relationships of sort…
          It seems we have all been exposed to …..”tolerate”….
          I love humor, and I enjoyed the post…..

    Feb 27, 2012 27:19 PM

    I think I should get the common sense prize on this one.
    I will go for my next prize, my call is gold/silver up… common sense
    or does a person have to be first with the call?
    If so Im years late,better late than never.

      Feb 27, 2012 27:36 PM

      YOU CAN BE FIRST, OF THE DAY,,,,BUT THAT IS IT…..
      WE ONLY ALLOW YOU TO BE CORRECT ONCE A DAY….
      IF YOU GET TWO IN A ROW , YOU BECOME AN EXPERT….
      AND WE ALREADY ARE FULL OF EXPERTS…
      AND BESIDES, IF WE ALL BECOME EXPERTS,
      WE WON’T HAVE ANY ONE LEFT TO TALK TO….

        Feb 27, 2012 27:37 PM

        Speaking of experts!

        Big Al

      Feb 27, 2012 27:36 PM

      Yep benb,

      It certainly was common sense, but in this ever getting crazier world who know what to believe and what not to believe!

      Big Al

    Feb 27, 2012 27:31 PM

    I just think this a perfect example of why you shouldn’t believe everything you read/hear…that’s why all this stuff about Iran upsets me, OK maybe they can make a dirty bomb, but they have no delivery systems and are hardly going to bring down the world…unless that is we attack them first, stir up a hornets nest, see oil hit 2, 3, 4 hundred dollars a barrel…and the concept that we can have nuclear weapons (because somehow we are ‘good’) and they cannot (because they are ‘bad’) doesnt make any logical sense to me

      BJ
      Feb 27, 2012 27:34 PM

      Iraq, Iran and so on, from the tip of the spears to their logistics tails, none of these countries has the ability to project power much beyond their borders. So, who are they kidding; and more importantly, why? Can anyone clearly define our mission in Afghanistan, and what was the real reason for blowing up Iraq? Seems to me that those in high places own the American people and especially the families of our fallen soldiers some straight answers.

    Feb 28, 2012 28:20 AM
    bg
    Feb 28, 2012 28:23 AM

    If all would take time to verify the events that DID in fact happen, http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/3312

    This was indeed a “dry run” for a terrorist attack. I’m sure if any of you were aboard the plane, you would feel much differently about it. Why are we trying to rationalize or dilute the events that occurred. The fact of the matter can be read on the homeland security site provided above. We MUST make Americans aware of these situations and keep our families safe and knowledgeable about such events that happen . These events should be in the main stream of all media for Americans. We have the power to stop another 9/11 attack if we communicate and stop hiding information or trying to sweep under the carpet. Terrorism is REAL and its in our own backyards. We must PRAY for America and take back our Country!!!!!