Interesting question directed at Bob from Dave
On February 22, 2014 at 10:17 am,
Dave says: (Edit)
Bob Moriarty, with all due respect,
you are so hell bent on your anti-American disinformation. To suggest 10,000 dead if it had been in the United States is complete rubbish.
Tell me ONE recent historical reason to substantiate your anti-American propaganda.
Bob answers: Ask him how many people would have died in New York had Occupy Wall Street
used the same techniques of throwing Molotov Cocktails and shooting at
police instead of being peaceful? How many examples were there of police
over reaction by tasering people, pepper spraying them and shooting them in
the head at point blank range with tear gas guns?
The cops in the US are totally out of control now. Imagine what they are
going to do when people start to fight back.
Kiev was not a good example of peaceful protestors. Actually the police
behavior was not excessive, certainly you couldn’t get away with that in the
US.
When the real numbers come out, there probably were 100 “protestors” killed
and 50 or more police. In the US there would have been thousands of dead
protestors.
Bob
Very nice missive, Jerry. I completely agree. That is why I try to just concentrate on gold and silver pretty much here. We cannot doubt or UNDERESTIMATE the financial crisis we are in and how the rest of the world rues us for abusing the reserve currency status…being negative–NO! In reality?—YES!
Good point Marc
SINCE we are getting to many JERRYS ….I am changing my moniker
Made my day Jerry C, God bless you!
Al, you have a great forum here and I love reading it – you give people the freedom to express themselves and I hope sites like yours are not banned in the future. Who knows what will happen.
I have rarely posted here, but I am feeling like we are entering a time that we all have to take a step back and find a little solitude. That doesn’t mean we stick our head in the sand about what’s going on in the world, but we get a much better view of things when we are not so emotional about them. Bob Moriarty is a great teacher of that with the bottoms in the gold market. It goes for everything. You see things so much clearer. There’s a great saying….”it’s fine to have an opinion, just don’t be attached to it”. (maybe you’re wrong)
And yes, I have checked out some of the Ukraine videos….no solitude there.
Great comment Jerry – too much noise leaves one’s brain reeling, and my wife and I take a two mile+ walk every day.. That said I think Bob M’s a great guy and tells it like it is. For the flip side to all the noise is that there are just too many folk out there who smile vacuously, living in their make-believe world of smartphones, sport and game shows, who simply choose not to see how grave the world situation is becoming. I mean here in the UK, our total debt is five times what our entire economy is worth, while going up to 9X when adding in al our unfunded obligations! And that’s no laughing matter.
Best, A
Nearest I can gather, Reverend, is that England is in about as deep as Japan and yet it catches no press whatsoever. I have got to wonder how you guys will ever dig yourselves out of the hole you put yourselves in except maybe just by bankrupting and walking away from the whole stinking pile of debt altogether. Of course, there will be no pensions once it is over and done. No welfare and no immigrants either.
Yes Bird Man, we’re in a worse place than Japan, Italy, Greece, Spain, and nobody is saying anything. I agree about pensions. My wife and I have long factored in that our State pensions will be the first to go (i.e. on account of being means-tested).
Isn’t it odd, Andrew? This si probably one of the least discusses of all economic topics. At least on this side of the Atlantic. Few people are even aware of how deeply indebted the English are or how heavy the future burden must be based on all the benefits that have been granted. It is a puzzle. The US with all its debt and mass of unfunded liabilities is a picture of responsibility and prudence by comparison. How crazy is that!
Actually, I think we in the UK are currently caried along on the delusion that we have economic growth and a recovery in the property market that can keep the insane credit bubble rolling, most especially in London of course, which is Babylon basically.
Of course, the UK has had a great tailwind from the good comparison with respect to the ailing Eurozone, with capital I guess coming in to the UK and into the British Pound as it has left the Euro and later the Yen.
The Pound today is at an unbelieveable .$16646 quoted on Kitco as of now. It was at $1.62 a few weeks ago and I could not believe that either. Gold is now just over £800, when it topped at £1170 in 2011.Many were saying the pound was going to collapse 2 years ago and 1 year ago and it has just kept going on up. That has increased our purchasing power and also kept a lid on inflation, while of course the statistics are all junk, the new inflation index in use (CPI, formerly called HICP) being always only about 2/3 of the old RPI index that was in use for many decades.
We are also kept alive by an endless stream of immigration into low and medium paying jobs to swell the taxpayer base to pay for outrageous doctors’ salaries and extravagant pay for other government bureaucrats. At the same time we have had the pretense of cuts in gov’t spending that are really just decreases in the rate of increase.
We are getting away with it for now but at some point the creditors’ attention will turn to the UK and there will be BIG trouble here. The demographic makeup with so many immigrants speaking so many different languages will mean major social unrest, racial fracture and danger.
The POund at $1.6646 I meant. Many were saying that it was breaking down from $1.49 last year and going to $1.20 or even parity!!
Look at the Sterling chart here $XBP:
http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/gallery.html?s=%24xbp
Maybe could be a megaphone but has had at this stage a breakout from the previous highs.
Good to know there are people that see things the way they are.
Woulda been nice had opw or cbm hit tho. lol (still might)
Good teaching on Bobs part for me, I moved to producers after that.
And being fair, I do believe Bob had nothin but good things to say about the ones I own now.
Bob lives what he talks ,if I recall correctly he moved to Caymen?
Think they somtin about “walk the talk”?
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/utah-representative-wants-to-shut-off-water-to-nsa-facility/
NSA responded already……
Don’t bother drafting the bill, because if it is passed; “We will send in armed troops to ensure water supply is turned on”.
Probably true, Professor.
There was a time they were called peace officers…those days are long gone.
Just about all the local police are now paramiltary units armed with weapons used by soldiers, not police. No knock raids go on all over this country everyday. And a week doesn’t go by without innocent people being injured or killed.
Bob is right about the police in this country. Here is just one example
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-verdict-murder-as-official.html
If you try to defend yourself from the police in this country you will be killed, no dobut about it which is one of the outrages of these no knock raids.
Bob is an old salt who’s done some living and has some wisdom. And to call him anit-American really takes the cake. I mean he was the youngest pilot in Marine corp history, joined the marines when he was 14 or something like that to go fight with Pappy Boyington for cryin’ out loud.
I agree that Bob is a patriot. An outspoken one at that!
bill, we have our ‘goon’ police here in England as well. In fact it’s well nigh impossible to find a decent copper who understands the meaning of the word honour, and who can actually think like an individual. ‘Dixon of Cock Green’ was a TV series about a typical police station in the 1950s/60s, when your average bobby was amenable and altogether trustworthy. His replacement today is that of an impersonal automaton who does neither common sense nor honour.
Remember that women a few weeks back that was gunned down in cold blood in by DC ‘security forces’. Her car was riddled with bullets while her baby sat strapped in the back seat? They even showed it near-real-time on the mainstream media the day it happened, and it was wild! ….Then came the ‘news’ blackout and not a peep more about it since. We are so far beyond Orwell it’s surreal.
I do remember that clip bj. Absolutely vile – the cops were demented thugs. Speaking of ‘1984’ I’m reading right now ‘Nothing to envy’ by Barbara Demick about life in North Korea. 1984 coincided with the things she wrote of then and which of continue. As for our own 1984 it’s coming in a whole raft of ways that beckon a sort of North Korean scenario for many of us.
Hey yaaal……..War and Violence is Part of Nature? Someone missed class or worse, school! War and Violence is MANMADE not Nature! Use the 5th if you don’t even know what NATURE means! Oh my God……
Mike….sometimes it’s just silly to argue personal beliefs. But I will make a point….And no, I didn’t miss class or school. But I definitely have shrugged off what i did learn in school and now see things as I want to see them, not how some government school system wants me to see.
You say war and violence are manmade (yes, man can definitely make war), but what/who made man? what/who made man and gave him the ability to make war? or at least make the choice (war or love)? isn’t it our God given ability to make choices? if it is, could it be in man’s NATURE to make war?…not in NATURE, though the will to conquer, or you might say the will to survive, exists all throughout NATURE. Hmmmmmm…I think science class taught us that. Schools in, Mike!
Bob Moriarty is right. He always tells it like it really is. If people don’t like it, too bad. The US has been headed south since Vietnam. Read Nick Turse’s book about the war, published last year. We live in a US of illusions: economy, currency, gov all ready to crash before too long.
Mike,
I believe you are correct. But, if I may, let me say this:
War and violence is man’s doing and a direct result of FREE WILL. The way of man is not of or from GOD (nature).
Ron Paul on Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vb4g8B54iRo
Nah,wars are political tools meant to usurp,challenge and/or consolidate power.
It has nothing to do with “free will” and everything to do with elite power brokers extending the evil and carnage they dispose of for their jollies.
Let’s not bring God into this mess.
POWER BROKERS ARE EXERCISING FREE WILL…MATT..U CAN USE IT TO MANIPULATE OR LOVE….OR WHATEVER!!!
Ukraine, although the “bread-basket of eastern Europe is not a rich country, so governmental corruption played no small part in the current up-rising.
Here’s another take on Ukraine. I will say one thing is for sure, if people think the US gummit and its policitians are supporting one side over the other because they care about the Ukrainian people, then they are delusional.
And McWar want more of YOUR money to hand out.
“[W]e need to act immediately to give them (Ukrainians) the economic assistance that they need, based on reforms that are going to be required, as well. So it’s going to be tough sledding.”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-susan-rice-just-threaten-russia-with-war/
When I posted the Daily mail article on the fugitive Ukraine President’s house I also should have pointed out that that palatial residence is just one of several home that he has.
Because of the bifurcation of support for EU-leaning or Russia-leaning, it seems to me that the only long-term solution should be a splitting of the country into two; or a federal government over two states with a Constitution rigidly limiting Federal powers. That seemed to work for a couple of hundred years in the US.
” That seemed to work for a couple of hundred years in the US.”
Um, what about the War or Northern Aggrsssion (aka Civil War), bloodiest war in US history.
Want positive? Check this out: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16240779-the-end-is-near-and-it-s-going-to-be-awesome
Promises and more BS.
just stand back and think about the US–just how pissed will the middle class (or whats left of it) be when it finds out it was all a scam. Come to think about it, think about the wealthy class-nut ultra wealthy -the folks with say 2-100 million, who get wrecked by a market crash facilitated by lies and congressional forced BS bank accounting or US financial projects that are just wrong like most all the other govt reporting. Or pissed at the media for being complicit with the BS. It’s endless, and all the people will be able to do is revolt and then the bloodbath begins.
It probably will not be for several years due to widespread apathy. Most of us here understand generally whats going on and we as a group have likely underestimated how bad it is.
Think about he CBO and ho wits not abloe to report alternative scenarios, or its stopped reporting the data that Kotlikoff has used to arrive at 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
This week the US GAAP financials are to be reported–just first think about that–and the fact that a 7 trillion GAAP loss is suppressed while we hear cash flow deficits are only 700 billion (after tax increases for Obamacare were instituted well before the costs were incurred.
Its coming whether we like it or not.
OK Jerry, you ment Human-Nature. Agreed. I am just not willing to accept that War’s and Violence are in every Human equally. There is a big difference in the approach to W&V for an Example in Switzerland. Schools, out!
OWL HERE,,,,GOLD IS UP …SPREAD $17….
JUST SAYING
In my opinion the Ukrainian situation is a real dogs break fast. The former government gets along with the Russians. The opposition is split into at least two groups. One would have the Ukraine cozy up to the west who financed and brought communism to the the Ukraine and Russia. What are these people thinking? The other group known as the right sector wants nothing to do with the former government , Russia or the West and they want a Ukraine for Ukrainians.
The media doesn’t give them much coverage.
Pravy Sektor, from out of Ukraine
http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/pravy_sektor_from_out_of_ukraine
click on the video to find out more.
The western powers would have the Ukraine as part of their satanic totalitarian liberal empire and use it as a base to grab Russia and everyone else one at a time after that. The western world and its perversions has to be stopped!
Steven, I don’t believe you are correct.
Whatever you believe the “Western Powers” to be – I assume , the US and the EU somehow combined – are not unified in their positions. Secondly, have no intention of “grabbing Russia and everyone else. They are much too pre-occupied with holding their own countries together. The western powers may be interested in maintaining energy (oil) supplies, and thus are involved in the middle east, but have been trying to pull out of Iraq and Aghanistan.
I agree with Dave.
Bob is not very objective about this Ukrainian situation. He sounds like he has more trust and faith in Vladamir Putin than Obama. Russia is encouraging the Ukraine gov’t to be more agressive with the protesters. What has Obama done wrong so far?
What has Obama done so far?
I guess if you do nothing, you can do nothing wrong?
Regarding Ukraine that is part of my point. The U.S. hasn’t really intervened so let’s not criticize American policy here. and the second point is anyone who trusts Vladamir Putin needs to get their head checked
PF needs to broaden his education. I had to snort at the question “What has Obama done wrong so far?”. Well, let me list the ways.
1. Pumped $5 billion dollars of US taxpayers money into the Ukraine since 1991 to introduce “democracy” into the country. When Americans can’t buy food and start to riot, will those “peaceful” protestors be allowed the use of guns and Molotov Cocktails?
2. Let a Neocon get caught trying to determine who would run the puppet government after the “peaceful” protesters over threw the democratically elected government. Russia has a real interest in what happens on their borders, we do not. What would PFs response be if North Korea got caught paying for “protesters” in Mexico so they could set up a government controlled by them?
3. Allowed the DHS to place orders for 2.6 billion hollow point bullets, a 28 year supply of ammo that can’t be legally used in warfare. Who exactly does PF believe the DHS intends to shoot?
What is most remarkable about the riots was how little the police responded. I know of no riots in the world where so many police were killed or injured. We know that’s true, we saw on video the vehicles bombed. Now we are hearing about the large number of “peaceful protestors” killed but we know we are being fed nothing but disinformation because we are not being told the number of police killed or injured. In Vietnam the ratio between US dead and Vietnamese/Cambodians/Laotians dead was about 100-1. In the war in Gaza a couple of years ago, the IDF killed 150 Arabs for each dead Israeli, I suspect there will be a ratio of about 2-1 of “peaceful protestors” killed vs police in Kiev. That’s not much.
Russia has interests in the Ukraine. We have none. The idea of the US getting involved in the internal affairs of yet another country where we have nothing to gain is absurd. We lost in Korea, we lost in Vietnam, we lost in Afghanistan, we lost in Iraq, we lost in Egypt, we lost in Libya and we lost in Syria. I see a pattern. America is bankrupt. When ordinary Americans realize what their corrupt government has done to them and their future, we will have riots. They will make Kiev look like a kid’s birthday party with some sparklers. I don’t trust Putin any further than I can throw him but I’m old enough to understand he has the interests of his country in mind. I don’t have the same confidence in Obama.
Bob,
the last paragrpah is why I don’t think you are being objective. Meaning you never say anything positive about American policy or America in general.
We didn’t lose in Korea. It was a draw!!
We had no real involvement in the Syria war.
Iraq was a win. Saddam is gone and there is some form of democracy now.
Losing in Vietnam is the only i would agree with you. But that was Lyndon B Johnson’s fault and not the current administration.
So PF, out of the 100s of billions are gummit has blown overseas, how much of that are you willing to get out your checkbook and write a check for? Where in the US Constitution does it say our corrupt policiticans get to steal money from the American people and give it to foreigners?
BOB……….is correct as usual…………….OWL………
PF: Wake the F### up. Iraq was a win. Are you kidding?
Was spending $5-6 trillion dollars of taxpayers money a win?
Was being responsible for more American young people dying than on 911 a win?
Was turning Iraq into a hellhole of constant killing from every religious nutcase a win?
Iraq was an illegal war in every respect. They weren’t anything to do with 911. Iraq didn’t do anything to the US. Saddam got his first paycheck from the CIA for being an assassin. He may have been a monster but he was our monster.
You think they have a democracy now? Where did you get that information? They have a petty thug running the country and stealing everything he can. That government is so corrupt they make the US look good. SH was a thug but the country was safe, now it’s a hellhole and the US did it.
You confuse supporting your country and supporting your government. They are different. Those who support their country are against the incredible corruption and the bankrupting of the US. We have 50 million on food stamps and 100 million unemployed or under employed in the US. Are you in favor of that, too? The balance sheet debt has doubled in 6 years and the off balance sheet debt is over $200 trillion. Do you think bankruptcy of America is a good thing, too?
Or is it my country, drunk or sober?
I have to agree with Bob…….,,,but, he might be a little low on the food stamp number.
Bob is 100% right, PF is clueless (or purposely spreading neocon propaganda).
There ‘s too much pessimism porn and negativitiy coming from Bob and people like Peter Schiff and Zero Hedge and Gerald Celente and Alex jones and some others
Say something positive for a change.
PF i am so sorry for you! Would you find Ukrain on a MAP without Consulting WIKI! Do yourself a favor and Plead the 5th….
I am also concerned about what is happening in the world. I have a family and would rather not see anyone hurt. And i will protect them if needed.
War and violence is part of the nature of this world, always has been and will probably always be part of it. That doesn’t mean we can’t go out for a walk in the park, talk to our neighbors, open a door for someone or just say hello with a smile. Total focus on the negative just generates more. Focusing on the positive side can also generate more of that.
The internet is a great tool but sometimes you need to turn it off and go for a walk and listen and watch nature. I guarantee you, you will feel better. It may not change the world but it will change you and you might even make someone smile! 🙂