Gold, silver, conventional markets, oil… everything is up!
What’s driving these positive moves? How about China, Stanley Fisher’s comments, and even Buffett buying an industrial company. Investors are continuing to tell us that the US is where they like to keep their money.
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I heard an interesting comment yesterday and that was that Japan held as much of our debt as China.
The two countries used to hold about a trillion in US treasuries as far as I can remember and sometimes one would have the number one spot, sometimes the other. Of course on top of that, you could have private holdings and sovereign wealth funds I guess.
Hey Chris the only reason why the IMF didn’t include the Chinese currency was because the US has a veto in the process. As for your remark about market manipulation by the Chinese, the US is the biggest market manipulator on earth!
Good points, BigBill — especially your first one. It’s why I have always pooh-poohed the idea of IMF, etc. “attacks on the dollar.” The I.M.F. is part of the dollar-centric and US-controlled command structure that’s been in place since the end of WW 2.
The IMF May still include the yuan down the road in the SDR mix. . .but by no means is that a foregone conclusion (one reason China over time will, as Russia, erect their own financial/monetary super structures.)
I agree with the US being a big market maniuplator too – after all, it needs to defend the postwar structures! However, in relative terms, China has overtaken the US in the recent past.
the “SLAP IN THE FACE” to the Chinese, is not going to set well, ……..Holter covers this issue this morning at usawatchdog…………….
good on Big Bill……….
The USA war machine and wall street DOLLAR is billding a control freak World ! YOU NO TOP OFF THE WORLD ! Your the Antichrist Army ! Sod-omits and Dollar pupers ! HA HA 9/11 no real China is ok ! THE MANIPULATORS only Cream the Chines market ! Day can play the USA the same ! You all don’t remeber the flash crash !
Al ! I will pray for You and your Wife ! AL THE BEST !
God bless you Franky and I do mean that!
Thanks Franky!
Yes, it is because US veto and Japanese helps as well. Japan is now so tied on US war machine and it now disregards its own survival. A suicidal culture is not good.
Big Bill,
I have it on good notice, that China if not in first place in that area, is a very close second!
Time to get the 5% position………..
5% position? Is that a sexual comment about something in Indiana!
funny.
ditto
Buffett , with the new purchase is betting on the war machine……the company that he purchased makes airplane parts……………………….jmho
Percision Cast Parts is and has been for awhile, the hero company of Portland, Oregon!
USa , THE BEST IN THE GLUE FACTORY……………….
the conventional markets had a touch of manipulation this morning, then momentum players piled on. It looks to me that it will go down later today.
“But when you recall that one of the first moves by Lenin, Mussolini and Hitler was to outlaw individual ownership of gold, you begin to sense that there may be some connection between money, redeemable in gold, and the rare prize known as human liberty.”
Congressman Howard Buffett (Warren’s father)
Warren lost his way…………part of the problem……insider , with Charlie Munger attorney……..
Thanks Matt!
Chris also needs to consider India, which will take up some of the slack from China.
Some, eventually, yes – I’ve written about them in my letter several times, with their looking to tie up future supplies of uranium and agricultural products particularly.
Speaking of ETF’s Chris, Jo, (the coffee ETN that I follow) looks to be breaking out and moved up almost 6% today. Many others on the move too. Weat has been on a roll most of August up over 10% now. RJA, while only up modestly thus far looks like it may have bottomed so its worth watching. But thats the ag sector and its not everyone’s cup of tea on a gold site.
Hey Big Al, can you try to have an interview with bitgold (Goldmoney Group) in the near future?
Sure We can, Big Bill
Correct me if I’m wrong, but did not the IMF set Sept 2016 for China’s inclusion into SDRs, rather than just postpone. I could be wrong because I listened to Madame Lagarde in french.
Yes………………I MENTIONED THIS LAST WEEK.
NOT inclusion………I think just a revisit………..sorry……..
Should be a nice run in PMs up into that point in time.
CFS, the IMF merely held out the possibility of a revisit next year, rather than making China wait the 5 years until the next regularly-scheduled IMF confab to revisit the SDR basket. Nothing certain. And given that China is now going to be aggressively weakening its currency, I’d bet against anything happening in 2016 to include the yuan.
Why do you think that Chris? Do you have insider info Yuan will be devalued? China can devalue its currency by dumping US dollar to buy Euro, gold, Yen, etc. and maintain the peg, which is a much better way. China still has historical level of trade surplus versus US. Any devaluation against USD is asking for trouble.
I ask the question so many times and every time people ignore me. The question is how can a surplus country devalue its currency and get higher surplus and not offensive to the deficit country? How does US deal with it?
Devaluation can be accomplished by edict if necessary. The government could unpeg from the dollar too and create the conditions for a devaluation. Lots of ways actually. Right now they are contemplating reducing the Reserve Requirements for banks again as well as lowering the bank rate and both are seen as stimulative. Infusions of fresh cash directly into the economy as is being done with the stock market may play a role. Keep in mind that the Chinese government has transferred untold billions directly to investors by this route already. Plenty of ways to skin a cat if that is the goal.
Thanks for the comments even it does not address my question of trade surplus. People in china has been complaining about inflation and a devaluation could get people excited. Unless American, people revolt there. There have been a lot violent attacks against establishment already.
Lawrence, a devaluation would amplify the inflation there. It means Chinese purchasing power is falling versus other currencies but it could stimulate domestic demand. The worry the government has expressed is that a devaluation might cause capital flight from the country to accelerate as a technique of wealth preservation. Sorry but I have not been following the trade surplus there but am aware its in decline. I will have a look. Meanwhile, there is the potential of Chinese economic problems spillin gout of their borders on a whole lot of fronts. One could be that more money enters foreign stock markets. Another is that real estate in places like Vancouver and other sought after destinations might finally go into a parabolic rise. We should keep in mind that would spell the end of a lot of other bubbles around the globe since we are talking pretty serious amounts of money. There was an old quote about capital shifting around the world during the last depression like a loose cannon on a ship. This could be about to repeat. Can’t recall who said it though. A president maybe?
As for the data on June, this year’s trade surplus is the record high. It is especially high versus US. Not sure about July yet but monthly number is very volatile since China does not seasonally adjusts the number. Chinese has been upset about inflation a lot and I have heard complaints all the time. If inflation picks up, instead of buying more goods, people will buy real estate. Also the violence toward leaderships grand kids or relatives will increase. Not every kid can have body guards. My sister operates day care. She is so worried about killing of rich kids. Some Chinese leaders openly admire law obeying Americans and condemn Chinese as unruly.
I had no idea Lawrence! Is that how they settle scores in China? By killing the children of the leadership? Maybe it really is as unstable an environment as some have suggested. But do you think it could lead to a change of government or a widespread public revolt? Very curious to hear your take on this actually since you have lived most your life there.
There have been revolts for last few decades. It actually never stopped after Mao died. Chinese society honors revenge. However, only the country wide revolts which target government can threaten government control and it is what leaders are trying to avoid. The current government is a$$ kissing the people to buy their support. He has increased the pension for old people and crack down on corruption. There have been many assassination attempts on him and he starts to get some support from the people. Small incidents happen all the time. I can give you many examples. For example, one guy was speeding with his bicycle and got stopped by police. The police victimized him by over use of their power. The guy got so pissed and he ran into police station and killed 7 police. When it was reported, most people hailed him as hero on the Internet. He was executed off course. So people in the West does not understand China. The society and culture are different. Robinhood is considered hero in China.
Thanks for the answer Lawrence. Are you saying there have been attempts on the leaders life though? It is the first I heard of it. Normally that would be pretty big news around the world.
Yes, it is why one of the top leaders was arrested because he plotted to kill Xi. There have been many known
But China never report this kind of plots since it is very destabilizing.
A Listener, It was President Herbert Hoover
Lawrence — I’m not always right, but I’m very seldom wrong 🙂 Here’s a headline from this afternoon:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-moves-to-devalue-the-yuan-2015-08-10-221031211?siteid=bullytweet
And this will be just a start.
So is this an answer to Christine Lagarde? Did the Bank of China just tell her to get lost since there is not going to be inclusion into the SDR this year? Or is the Yuan being opened to market forces at the IMF’s request? Because the way I just read that article it is implying that the peg is being dropped and the Yuan will just float to its own level. And if that’s the case this is a huge story. Up until now, Chris, the rate was set at what ever level they chose. By dictate basically. But it is entirely contrived and does not carry meaning outside China. If the peg is dropped then the currency gains legitimacy in traders eyes as it will be allowed to rise or fall to its own level. I am wondering what was behind that move though. Kind of funny. We were just talking about this yesterday. At first I thought you were just fooling around posting an article that the Yuan was being devalued.
This guy Lockhart might say something else tomorrow.
Just one more thought for an interview Big AL, There is junior producer called KLONDEX MINES LTD (KDX) which is considered to have one of the highest grade gold deposits anywhere, any chance we can have an interview on the show????
Mr Temple-the indians buy more gold than the chinese…
That’ what I heard too CFS. There is just a delay however part of the reason is to see how their stock market crash plays out and what they might do to respond. whether they try to devalue of not will be in the equation. I sense the leadership there is in a panic. Just too much going wrong at the same time and investor confidence has taken a big kick to the groin.
The Indians buy gold for personal savings and traditional,cultural consumption purposes.
The Chinese do the same but their country leads the world in gold production which is also being fully maintained by govt for currency objectives.
The Westerners hold fiat and inflated stocks and dump their gold to the east.
BBC reporting is as the biggest devaluation for a decade. Two percent.
and it won’t end there Bob.
http://kingworldnews.com/
JOHN EMREY does not like KITCO……..with an article from wall st. and main st., who would believe anything wall street or main street thinks is correct about gold.
GOOD article………………jmho
Actually,the USD has topped out on its weekly channel formation and is now falling so the commodities will run until the dollar bottoms on said channel formation.
China just dumped $540 billion in US bonds.