CNN is the most trusted name in fake news.

Maybe true B. But the fact remains that the event is not bogus and, to me, that is what really matters.

Any thoughts on my comment?

Of course the event is not bogus.
We disagree on what matters tho, I think what matters is the truth.

But, the lies have been told long enuff and loud enuff they are accepted as facts.
Too bad tho, the actual story is much better than what people have been told.

CFS:

Your denseness is nothing short of remarkable. For someone to know the future 40 years in advance is not actually any measure of intelligence. It’s a measure of how dumb you think everyone else is.

I could care less about Mormons or Catholics or Muslims or Jews, I simply do not have a dog in the fight. But I do hate war criminals, and I know you are fine with them but I am not. Though I will agree with you that what China is doing in western China is just as much a war crime. So you dislike war crimes if the bad guys are Chinese but are ok when the criminals are Jewish.

The Real 737-Max warning should have been.
Don’t land a 737-Max by auto-pilot.
Land the plane using real pilots…..that’s what they are on the plane for.

The two major crashes that involved the highest fatalities, Mr Moriarty, (one flown by a ‘stan airline and the other cited with 346 killed were both proximate to landing, or flying at an altitude too low from which to recover.)
The 737-Max was so different from previous &37 models, it probably should have been given a different designation number, and if it had not been built on the same air-frame it probably would have. Boeing, of course, wanted to capitalize on the previous excellent reputation of the 737.
Certainly the program error was a MAJOR design problem. No disagreement about that.
It was, however, not intentional, which diminishes the criminality. Perhaps, Mr. Moriarty, you might consider studying law.

I fully admit my knowledge only comes from what I read.

How many hours have you had flying a 737 ?

And I would certainly never consider flying low, violating flight laws, over Paris.

Can’t disagree with your opinion on this one, Robert, but my opinion is really not an important one because I have absolutely no expertise in this are as you know.

Re: 737-Max.

I don’t have first-hand knowledge, but from what I read, it is my understanding that the 737-Max differs from previous 737 models in that control is via computer to the flight surfaces, rather than by direct mechanical levers and wires.
And that Boeing included auto-pilot instructions for much of the control.
I do not know the number of lines of code for the computer programming, but imagine it must be immense and not easily modified.
This is where the problem lies and it is not easy to spot.
(Whereas a mis-connection of a lever or wire would be obvious)

CFS:

You need to stop talking aviation while you are so far behind the power curve. The 737 in any variation is not fly by wire, including the 737-Max.

The cause was an error in the angle of attack sensor that told the computer the plane was in a stall. The computer told the tail to push the nose over. It could not be recovered from and that change to the software system was not taught to the pilots. Boeing wanted to save money on pilot training.

The crash wasn’t in landing it was twelve minutes after takeoff in one crash and six minutes after takeoff in the other. The computer continued to fight the pilots and few pilots would have been able to recover.

Boeing is now run by bean counters. For most of the last 100 years Boeing made some of the best designed aircraft in the world. Then the bean counters took over.

As with most of your expertise, it is not. Anyone who ever soloed in a Cessna 150 would conclude you are talking out your ass in a failed effort to impress the great unwashed. You have no idea of what you are saying. Not that that has ever stopped you before.

Mr. Moriarty, I never have stated I was an expert in aviation. I clearly mis-interpreted what I have read.
I heard or read that it was a new computerized assist to flight controls that caused the 737-Max crashes. I clearly mis-understood exactly what was changed.

For my education. I assume that it must be possible that pilots can overcome the dive problem, since very few 737-Maxs actually crashed over many flight hours.

How do the pilots override the situation, assuming they are trained correctly ?
Thanks for the explanation.

CFS:

My problem with you is that you seem to think that holding a piece of paper in your hands giving you the right to force students to listen to you is the same as having either knowledge or the ability to think. You have neither.

1.The 737-Max problem was not caused by airline’s failure to keep up to date with alerts. You made that up, you did not misinterpret.
2. The 737-Max crashes were not caused by pilots landing with the autopilot engaged. You made that up, you did not misinterpret.
3. The 737-Max crashes were not proximate to landing, rather they were minutes into the climb and related to a sensor failure, not either landing sequence or climb sequence. You made that up, you did not misinterpret.
4. The 737-Max crashes were not a function of being too low to recover. If an inability to control the aircraft took place at 40,000 feet and was never regained, then 40,000 would be too low to recover. You made that up, you did not misinterpret.
5. The 737-Max was like all 737 variations. It was not fly by wire. You made that up, you did not misinterpret.
6. The 737-Max crashes were caused by a computer override of the flight controls after a sensor failure. Boeing was trying to avoid additional flight training requirements so made what turned out to be a major design change that was flawed without input from pilots. That caused the two crashes and Boeing tried to cover it up. There is an excellent chance that the 737-Max will cause the bankruptcy of Boeing. American Airline crews have already said they do not want to fly in the aircraft should it ever be rectified. Should that spread, it’s curtains for Boeing.

Having a nice pretty piece of paper does not qualify to as an expert on everything. Indeed, it may not even qualify you as an expert in anything. You are constantly pretending to know things that you do not and still are at times 50% of all the posts on a subject.

You need to get a life.

Morning Kevin, I have read the Old Testament and I don’t recall this statement ever having been made there.

Pretty good point, CFS!

I think you are wrong. Watch “Collateral murder” and let’s talk again. That was a defining moment for me.
https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/
The ones in jail should be Bush, Blair and Fogh! They are however All are multimillionaires!

I could not get past the advertisements. I ended up googling the subject.

Eddy, are you saying that the Holocost did not occur?

The 6 million number is bogus. No evidence for that.

The Nazis had no systematic plan to kill Jews. They did have a systematic plan to round all sorts of people up – Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. and put them in forced labor camps. Not defending that but that is hardly a genocide. And yes many were worked to death. Not defending that either. The ones who starved were towards the end of the war and that was due to the allied bombing and blockade as the Germans didn’t have enough to feed their own people, let alone feed their enemies.

So, yes, there was no Holocaust. It is propaganda.

The Mossad could start lookin for ya Eb.

I like to say it didnt happen the way we are told.

What really happened is so far from the truth most people could never accept it anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0

The hapless masses have been duped beyond salvation on too many subjects to count.

No systematic plan to kill the Jews ?
I hd relatives that were at the release of prisoners from extermination camps.
Those camps and work centers were real. I do not know if it was just for Jews
or any undesirables in general, but work to death was real and death for
those not capable of further work was real. To dismiss it as purely propaganda
is clear ignorance of actual facts. I don’t know about the exactitude of 6 million.
(I suspect that it is an under-estimate of Jews, non-practicing relatives of Jews, etc..)
I do know that a hell of a lot of good people died and many more were scarred for life by the experiences of stopping Hitler and his allies.

There you go shooting from the hip again. Like virtually everyone, you think propaganda doesn’t work on you. In fact, propaganda is extremely powerful when done right and it works on everyone — in various ways, including those who are most aware of it.

As is the case with almost everyone, it is crystal clear that you have not allowed yourself to research the facts in any serious, objective way. Yes, the camps were real. That’s the part you got right.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” — Joseph Goebbels

Remember when Senator Harry Reid called for the jailing of “climate change deniers”?

Lies, not truth, need protection. No one has ever been jailed for denying Stalin’s genocide.

Matthes, I don’t know if you’re talking about me in being suckered by propaganda.
How you can describe FIRST-HAND ACCOUNTS relayed to me by relatives as propaganda I do not understand. I lived in Germany as an army brat in the late forties and I remember what it was like and what I was told then……at a time when disorganization was rampant, not organized propaganda. I don’t know the exact numbers and I don’t specifically care whether it 6 million, 10 million or 2 million. Being a Jew, like being a homosexual or an itinerant gypsy, was being a member of a class or group that was worked to death or killed by order of the state, just for being a member of the group and no other reason. It was wrong by any moral standard that I know of.
Further to try to “excuse” death by starvation because of Allied bombing is ludicrous. The War was started by Hitler and all deaths that resulted therefrom, directly OR INDIRECTLY, are attributable (blame-wise) to his actions.

“The Mossad could start lookin for ya Eb.”

I think they will come for Unz way before me. The ones coming for me will be the local gooberment thugs.

I tell you Matthew, regarding history the Ameroconned Sheeple either know nothing or 99% of what they know is false…the propaganda they’ve been fed from their goooberment schools and the corrupt media, Hollywood, etc.

In this day and age of cracking down I’m surprised they haven’t come for Unz yet. I guess that’s because all the attention is on Fakebook, Twatter, etc…i.e. socialist media and apparently Unz isn’t in that venue.

Also, Unz has enough money so he doesn’t need to monetize his content so Paypunk (PayPal) banning him would have no effect.

But once he gets enough traffic I’m sure he will get a friendly cease and desist from his hosting company courtesy of SPLC, ADL, etc.

“I hd relatives that were at the release of prisoners from extermination camps.”

Extermination camps?

Imagine the USA was loosing WW II. All of its cities were being relentlessly bombed, it’s railways and highways were destroyed. Also, it was blockaded by sea. Do you think you would see Americans beginning to starve? You bet you would.

Now what do you think Roosevelt’s interment camps would look like? Do you think you’d see thousands of Americans of Japanese ancestry starving to death? Do you think you’d see Americans of Japanese ancestry in these camps with all sorts of diseases?

You bet you would.

And do you think the victors would call these extermination camps? Do you think they would use photos of the camps for maximum propaganda effect?

You bet they would.

Please, stop insulting our intelligence with your unthinking comments.

“The War was started by Hitler ”

Not true. There was more than enough blame to go around. Blaming it all on one side is simplistic, juvenile and simply wrong. I am not defending Hitler or the Japanese, either. The fact is there were no good guy. Your simplistic, black and white world view prevents you from seeing that.

http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/?highlight=holocaust

CFS, it interesting that you focus on the bombing and not the blockade regarding starvation. Maybe you ought to look into the blockade of Germany. There are first hand jewish accounts of the hunger caused by it and it affected everyone.
And what kind of fool believes that propaganda wasn’t alive and well at that time?
It’s just as well that you stick with the one version of history you’ve been fed, I don’t think you can handle anything else. Most can’t.

Ebolan,
Just like the invasion of Kuwait, the start of the Second world war was partly due to the appearance of weakness by a related party (Britain).
“Peace in our time”, Neville Chamberlin was a socialist wimp ; whom Hitler misread as indicative of the British people.
Likewise, with the invasion of Kuwait, which started the first Iraq war, Saddam Hussein mis-interpreted remarks of an ambassador that the U.S. would not intervene.

The Citation of Churchill’s involvement was irrelevant, because Labour, not the Conservatives, were in power from 1937-1940. Churchill was a back-bencher who had been warning of the dangers of being weak and appearing to be weak, but he had little power in the two years before World War Two started.
Significant members of the Monarchy/nobility did, indeed, lean to support Hitler…..Kind of like the rich of Silicon Valley being predominantly socialist-leaning in our current time.

Ebolan,
So you object to the word “extermination”. Fine. I have no problem with calling them “forced Labor” camps. Where work was required.
And then when starvation or over-work resulted in death, it must have been German efficiency that found it more effective to incinerate the bodies than waste land for burials.
I guess the use of Xyklon B in Auschwitz and Majdanek was imagined.

From 1929, the United States Public Health Service used Zyklon B to fumigate freight trains and clothes of Mexican immigrants entering the United States. Uses in Germany included delousing clothing (often using a portable sealed chamber invented by Degesch in the 1930s) and fumigating ships, warehouses, and trains.
Zyklon B – Wikipedia

I dont like the Jews idea of enslaving all the goy and everything that goes with it.

Having said that, I think the west was on the wrong side in world war 2, I also think the west was on the wrong side in ww 1.
But so was Russia, Germany and everybody else, the real enemy…for everyone, is the bankers.

Just a guess.

Churchill was a bankrupt drunk…bought and paid for by the bankers and other warmongers who were itching to start a war with Germany.

” I lived in Germany as an army brat in the late forties and I remember what it was like and what I was told then……at a time when disorganization was rampant, not organized propaganda”

So your parents were housed, fed and clothed by the Empire in an overseas garrison.

You were brainwashed from the day you came out of the womb.

So you object to the word “extermination”. Fine. I have no problem with calling them “forced Labor” camps. Where work was required.

How would you have reacted if every city in your country was firebombed…non-military targets with civilians…women and children, elderly, the crippled…firebombed into oblivion?

The fact is the allies committed war crimes on a massive scale.

LIke I tried to explain to you…there were no good guys.

If you want to see how corrupt and evil the system is and always has been you should watch this. The little people have no say, are relentlessly lied to, manipulated and outright brainwashed. They are nothing but canon fodder and tax cattle to their masters. Of course, statist like you detest when the truth is told.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-deep-state-who-rules-america/

And the salient part starts at page 31.

Here’s the other one in pdf format

http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Ron_Unz_American_Pravda_Holocaust_Denial.pdf

A worthy effort Eb.

GH tried repeatedly to inform people here….he realized it was pointless and left.
People dont want any truth, they simply ignore it.

Thanks, b.

It looks like Jerry bailed, too. Got tired of repeating basically the same stuff, yet many refuse to listen even when you repeatedly make the info available for them.

I am also getting tired. Not sure how long I will keep this up. I often asked myself what is the point? Plus there are certainly other things I can and should be doing with my limited time.

There can be some interesting topics discussed with like minded people, but educating others?
Not too likely.

Woulda been nice if GH had not of moved on, his contributions were worth reading.

Eventually everyone will I suppose.