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The Issues Still Facing The US Economy

Cory
December 17, 2016

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This week saw the Fed raise rates and issue a more hawkish tone than the markets expected. We saw markets take a hit after the Fed rate hike and ended up slightly down for the week. Gold and silver got hit hard following the Fed statement as well a the stocks. Our conversations this week focus on the overall optimism in the USD and US markets as well as some reasons to temper those outlooks.

  • Segment 1 & 2: Chief Market Analyst at the Lyndsay Group Peter Boockvar shares his thoughts on the overwhelming optimism for the US economy. We look at the bond bubble and opportunities for investors.
  • Segment 3: Brien Lundin outlines some of the long-term issues that the US economy is still facing moving into 2017.
  • Segment 4: Avi Gilburt shares his big picture view on a general melt up in the markets.  

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137 Comments
      Dec 17, 2016 17:28 AM

      Maguire makes some great points……..this should be a great listen to for those discouraged metal bugs.

      Dec 17, 2016 17:22 AM

      Cash For Silver (CFS) representin’….

    Dec 17, 2016 17:30 AM

    Thanks for your efforts as always fella’s for the show.
    Cheers

    Dec 17, 2016 17:03 AM

    Enjoyed listening to Avi. It is time for a bike ride, 5 miles and then egg & chips with a mug of tea in a cafe. I know how to live the high life 🙂

      Dec 17, 2016 17:49 AM

      Depends on the bike and why only 5 miles? barely enough time to reflect on what has been said.

      Tad
      Dec 17, 2016 17:06 PM

      I fancy that too… with HP sauce.
      Definitely not the bike ride.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:43 PM

      Nice Bob UK. Agreed, this was a good segment from Avi. I’m making a spot of tea as well.

    Jay
    Dec 17, 2016 17:06 AM

    Gold and silver manipulation is a fact. Case closed.

    Doesn’t mean we can’t still make money or that technicals or cycles are useless, but some on here are looking ignorant, or purposefully naive, about what’s going on.

    Have a great weekend.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-16/when-gold-goes-above-1430-we-whack-it

    CFS
    Dec 17, 2016 17:24 AM

    FRIDAY gold fix on SGE

    Shanghai morning fix Dec 16 (10:15 pm EST: $ 1172.60

    NY ACCESS PRICE: $1131.10 (AT THE EXACT SAME TIME)/premium $41.50

    __________________________________________________________________

    Shanghai afternoon fix: 2: 15 am EST.second fix:$ 1172.91

    NY ACCESS PRICE: 1133.80 (AT THE EXACT SAME TIME/2:15 am)

    SPREAD 2ND FIX YESTERDAY: $39.11

      Jay
      Dec 17, 2016 17:31 AM

      Thanks CFS. The paper market is such a scam. Position size limits not enforced, etc., etc. Just hope it breaks soon so we can get back to an honest (at least more honest 🙂 market.

        GH
        Dec 17, 2016 17:25 AM

        Ditto. Thanks for keeping this on our radar, CFS.

          Dec 17, 2016 17:36 AM

          ditto

            Tad
            Dec 17, 2016 17:07 PM

            Ditto ditto

    Dec 17, 2016 17:56 AM

    “When Gold Goes Above 1430 We Whack It”

    Also, for the first time a gold producer has been added to the class action of those claiming losses in gold trading due to the manipulation. Compania Minera Dayton, SCM the Chilean subsidiary of Australian resources company Lachlan Star is said to have “sold gold on many of the specific days on which Plaintiffs demonstrated manipulation of gold investments” totaling $287.4 million over the period 2004 to 2013.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-16/when-gold-goes-above-1430-we-whack-it

      Dec 17, 2016 17:30 AM

      While I heartily applaud the long-lasting efforts of GATA, I despise the gold miner executives who have folded to the financial banks for decades. In order to dig a mine, you need capital. The banks always short the miner’s stocks just before financing them, making money twice over. Then the miner is “servant to the lender”, i.e., the ones setting the price for gold and silver in London and New York City. The miner can’t even make a profit because of the daily naked shorting and price fixing of the paper market for his commodity. It’s disgusting.

      And to the people who say “Well that’s the way the world works; that’s the way the cookie crumbles. Get used to it!” No! You can refuse to deal with a criminal. Hopefully the physical-only exchanges being opened up will collapse the fiat-callers of gold and silver.

        Jay
        Dec 17, 2016 17:42 AM

        Re: banks’ leverage over miners, I don’t fully understand the interplay of lending with the banks’ manipulation, but Andrew Maguire explained it a bit in his interview with Jay Taylor (link below)

        Andrew is involved in a new company/ exchange that’s to launch next year, for commercial players like miners only I believe. Andrew mentioned that this will help free the miners from being dependent on the banks who are at the same time manipulating the value of their production.

        It’s too slow for all of us, but it does look like some fatal cracks are beginning to emerge in the manipulation racket.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttO4mQoXWgE

    CFS
    Dec 17, 2016 17:33 AM

    We clearly have both a real estate bubble, and, by historical standards. a bond bubble.
    Indeed, locking at historical measures of stock valuations, one could argue the stock market is over-valued.
    Can Trump’s actions get the economy growing fast enough before bubbles start bursting?
    Puplava discusses the Big Picture:
    http://www.financialsensenewshour.com/broadcast/fsn2016-1217-2.mp3

      GH
      Dec 17, 2016 17:28 AM

      Bubbles need to burst, imo. It won’t be pleasant, but blowing them even bigger just means an even worse day of reckoning later.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:42 AM

    Thanks for the show!

    I keep seeing builders and more builders as far as the eye can see here in toronto, and more specific Ontario. It’s relentless and I keep asking myself who is buying at these prices and how can they justify there salaries? If and when the big storm comes most will be hit hard and will pay dearly. You have a glut of brokers upon brokers mortgaging these homes to third parties and lenders. I can’t phantom the big banks handing out approval on these mortgages. Historically is an understatement in how long this has been going on and if government will ever step aside and promote more inflation in the housing.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:43 AM

    I meant if government will ever step aside and stop promoting more inflation.

      Dec 17, 2016 17:16 AM

      Glen, you know and I know that now is not the time to purchase real estate in Toronto. When the crash hits I wouldn’t touch real estate here for 8 to 9 years after the fact, that is usually how long it takes for housing to completely correct, that was true after the bust we had starting in late 1989 to early 1990, and housing has gone much more parabolic this time. In 1999 I spent six months looking at real estate with a broker and there were no offers and places could be purchased for at least 10% below asking. It is just like the stock market, buy when there is fear.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:50 AM

    I wonder if Yellen will be replaced once Trump enters office and how that might impact / change protections for future rate hikes.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:54 AM

    Radical Gold Underinvestment 3
    Adam Hamilton – Dec 16, 2016

    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/hamilton/hamilton121616.html

    Dec 17, 2016 17:59 AM

    Gold Percentage Growth in Major Currencies in 2016 (Dec. 16, 2016)

    Silver Percentage Growth in Major Currencies in 2016 (Dec. 16, 2016)

    https://twitter.com/PopescuCo/status/810097287397593088

    Dec 17, 2016 17:05 AM

    Palisade Global’s Big Bet On Yellow Cake
    Palisade Research December 15, 2016

    http://palisade-research.com/palisade-globals-big-bet-on-yellow-cake/

    Dec 17, 2016 17:16 AM

    Lithium’s Boom Year: 2016 in Review
    2016 was a big year for the lithium sector. Here’s what three analysts had to say about the lithium market in 2016.

    http://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/energy-investing/lithium-investing/lithium-overview/?mqsc=E3862461

    CFS
    Dec 17, 2016 17:16 AM

    I can’t remember if I posted this before from Thursday with Brent Cook:

    http://media.tfmetalsreport.com/audio/A2ABrentCookDec16.mp3

      Dec 18, 2016 18:54 PM

      I am simply amazed that Brent Cook had no idea who Avino Silver & Gold, Americas Silver, Bayhorse Silver, or Northern Shield was, and hasn’t been following Pure Gold’s results, or didn’t mention Kootenay Silver’s takeover of Northair mining.

      This is exactly why one can’t just rely on a guru or “expert” if they don’t even know some of the main stories in the JR space. (blows my mind how some people have such tunnel vision that are at all these mining shows and spend all day in the mining industry). Wow!

        Dec 18, 2016 18:40 PM

        To be clear, I respect and enjoy Brent Cook a great deal, but am just confused how he can be at mining shows for years with these companies speaking & exhibiting, and spend all day in the mining industry and not at least know who some of these companies are. I guess people get into their bubble of stocks and tune the rest out, but they’ve had a good track record with some of the takeovers that they did call for their subscribers ahead of time.

        However, they may be missing the action in the Silver mining space. Brent mentioned $FSM Fortuna and $EXK Endeavour Silver as the 2 #Silver #miners he’d recommend, and both are absolutely solid companies, but everyone writing in on that interview was asking for “his edge” that he mentioned, and for his focus on undervalued smaller deposits and development stage Jr miners.

        That safe Silver mining answer if translated to #Gold stocks would have been like recommending $AUY Yamana & $AEM Agnico Eagle (they’re nice enough, but already on everyone’s radar and more properly valued by the marketplace). I realize you can’t follow them all, but wow, he needs to spend some time with the Silver “Wing-Nuts”and brush up a bit on the sector.

        * What I took away was that there is still plenty of opportunity left in the mining sector when the experts don’t know many of the players on the field. In particular, when new investment money starts finding it’s way into the sector over the next few years, these stocks will have some much room to grow.
        #JustGettingStarted

          Dec 18, 2016 18:12 PM

          To be fair, Brent thinks global warming is man-made and an important issue. So we shouldn’t be too hard on him or others with similar deficits. 😉

            Dec 18, 2016 18:24 PM

            I do like Brent. It just surprised me a bit, because he so plugged into the Jr mining sector. If he didn’t know some of those companies, then the average commodities-friendly investor surely hasn’t taken notice of many of them yet. That bodes well for the future new buyers once the momentum picks up over the next few years.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:51 PM

      Brent’s conversation with Craig also pointed out that he felt that Brazil Resources (now GoldMining Inc), First Mining Finance, and Auryn Mining were all bigger on marketing than the reality of the economics of their deposits. He was still complimentary of management, thinks the valuations are a bit high on those companies.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:29 AM

    Montana rejects Tintina’s mine permit application again $TAU
    Cecilia Jamasmie | about 21 hours ago

    http://www.mining.com/montana-rejects-tintinas-mine-permit-application-again/

      Dec 17, 2016 17:30 AM

      Taliban says ok for China to develop huge Afghan copper mine
      But U.S.-backed Afghan government says it “isn’t the Taliban’s job” to protect the Mes Aynak copper deposit
      Andrew Topf | about 11 hours ago

      http://www.mining.com/taliban-says-ok-china-develop-huge-afghan-copper-mine/

      Dec 17, 2016 17:31 AM

      Zinc Rally Driven by Demand for Better Cars in China and India
      Prices for base metal are up 70% this year

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/zinc-rally-driven-by-demand-for-better-cars-in-china-and-india-1481698741

      Dec 17, 2016 17:48 AM

      Excelsior, several my “good” uranium stocks went up significantly in last few weeks. Do you see a reason?

      Thanks.

        Dec 17, 2016 17:18 AM

        I’d say that it’s because uranium has bottomed, or close to it, and positions are being established with confidence.

          Dec 17, 2016 17:19 AM

          Agreed.

          1) Bottom fishing in the sector by value investors. It’s been way oversold.
          2) Several articles out that Trump will be positive for Nuclear power
          3) Some of the Japanese Restarts came back on-line.

            Dec 17, 2016 17:40 AM

            The spot price of Uranium also moved up a bit (that didn’t hurt either) 🙂

            Dec 17, 2016 17:09 AM

            Excelsior, the spot price of U is too unreliable and useless. I have been trying to add UR Energy, UEX and Denison Mines on dip. It is so hard. I only got 2000 URE only. But I did load a lot of UEX. I am very frustrated.

            How do you think about Paladin. I know their operation is in Africa and their cost is around $60, but if they can survive, it would be a good buy. But I am hesitating now.

            Dec 17, 2016 17:13 AM

            My frustration is not price going down. It is the price refuse to go down despite Uranium price goes dow for the several stocks I deemed good. such as Cameco, Denison, UEX, URE.

            Dec 17, 2016 17:27 PM

            Hi Dragonite. Yes the Uranium mining marketplace is the definition of frustraing 🙂

            I talk quite often with traders and longer term holders of Uranium miners and it is very easy to zig when one should zag. Personally, I’ve been trading in an out of about 8-10 Uranium stocks for some time, and have lower cost basis positions in all of them except Energy Fuels that caught me off-sides in September on that financing and depressing market outlook release. Luckily I’ve averaged down and trimmed some back out on the recent strength and am back to near parity.

            Currently I have solid positions in Energy Fuels, Denison, Ur-Energy, NexGen, UEC Corp, Uranium Resources, and UEX Corp.

            Yes, I’ve swing traded Paladin a number of times this year successfully, but went bigger recently and got burned bad and lost all the gains on that one. I honestly don’t know if Paladin will survive, even though it is such a huge player, but it desperately needs higher prices. Like you mentioned they’ll be an amazing buy at these levels IF they survive, and I’m not sure if they will roll-back their shares at one point.

            Other Uranium companies I’m considering picking up are Peninsula Energy, Western Uranium, Bannerman Resources, GoviEx Uranium, Toro Energy, ALX Uranium, Berkley Energy, Centrus Energy , and Anfield Resources. There are a lot of people jazzed about Skyharbour Resources so I may give them a closer look.

        Jay
        Dec 17, 2016 17:21 AM

        Hi. FWIW, in addition to any here, there are some good, recent interviews on uranium, mostly with company spokesmen, on YouTube over the last couple of months, if you want to search for them.

        Dec 17, 2016 17:21 AM

        That’s probably what the action in USA is telling us about silver. It finished the week with ten times the percentage gain that silver did.

        http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=USA.TO&p=D&yr=0&mn=7&dy=0&id=p70535683879

          Dec 17, 2016 17:23 AM

          Correction: week should be day.

            Dec 17, 2016 17:26 AM

            USA finished the week 28% higher while silver fell 4.43%.

            http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=USA.TO&p=W&yr=1&mn=11&dy=0&id=p92056089510

            Dec 17, 2016 17:42 AM

            I’ve been impressed with strength in the Silver stocks despite the falling metals prices

            * Here are the Silver stocks that had positive green day on Friday to end a wild week in the Precious Metals markets.

            Excellon Resources Inc. $EXN (+22.30% gain)
            Plata Latina Minerals Corporation $PLA (+20.00% gain)
            Santacruz Silver Mining Ltd. $SCZ (+17.65% gain)
            Americas Silver Corporation $USA (+16.36% gain)
            Kootenay Silver Inc $KTN (+13.56% gain)
            Golden Minerals Company $AUM (+11.11% gain)
            BAYHORSE SILVER INC $BHS (+10.00% gain)
            Dolly Varden Silver Corporation $DV (+8.33% gain)
            Silver One Resources Inc. $SVE (+7.59% gain)
            Alexco Resource Corp. $AXU (+6.40% gain)
            Bear Creek Mining Corporation $BCM (+6.28% gain)
            Azarga Metals Corp. $AZR (+5.56% gain)
            SilverCrest Metals Inc. $SIL (+5.00% gain)
            Maya Gold and Silver Inc. $MYA (+3.85% gain)
            Great Panther Silver Limited $GPL (+2.94% gain)
            Metallic Minerals Corp. $MMG (+2.63% gain)
            Trevali Mining Corporation $TV (+2.36% gain)
            Levon Resources Ltd. $LVN (+1.92% gain)
            Silver Wheaton Corp. $SLW (+1.88% gain)
            GoGold Resources Inc. $GGD (+1.85% gain)
            Coeur Mining, Inc. $CDE (+0.89% gain)
            Avino Silver & Gold Mines Ltd. $ASM (+0.81% gain)
            Tahoe Resources Inc. $TAHO (+0.11% gain)

            Dec 17, 2016 17:02 AM

            I bought a few hundred First Majestic Silver the day before. I have more order on it and Endeavor silver and CEF.A. I sold quite a bit early in the year.

            Dec 17, 2016 17:19 AM

            I’ve been recently adding back to Gold & Silver positions I sold in the Summer as well. In addition I’ve been “averaging up” in cost basis on positions I wanted a larger stake in, and also “averaging down” to lower my cost basis in a few that had turned against me, and thus increased the stake in those as well. Lastly, I’ve added in half dozen new names to my portfolio.

            Honestly, I’m feeling a bit over-exposed to the Gold and Silver miners at present, but many of the trades I just made in the last few weeks are already up nicely again. The only one that just gave me a real sucker punch was Argonaut gold. I had just added back a nice-sized position in the days right before they put out that press release about their environmental permit being declined on one of their development projects. The stock really tanked on Friday, but I scooped up some more to average down, as people have really over-reacted on that one. This has been dragging out for years, and while that is an important project, it is not their primary asset, or any of the main producing mines, and they have other development projects in the pipeline that haven’t been given any value by the market yet. Most importantly, the team at Argonaut have responses to the questions/concerns on the decision, and will be responding to submit a revised permit application. This too shall pass, but I’ve been buying while there is blood in the streets……

            Dec 18, 2016 18:50 PM

            I was just reviewing these Corporate Presentation videos again, and remain very impressed with what is unfolding with Alexco.

            Alexco Resource Corp.(TSX: AXR)Clynton Nauman, President & CEO
            Precious Metals Summit – Nov. 2, 2016 (VIDEO – Corporate Slide Presentation)

            http://www.gowebcasting.com/events/precious-metals-summit-conferences-llc/2016/11/02/alexco-resource-corp/play/stream/20872

            Dec 18, 2016 18:52 PM

            Site visit: Alexco hopes Bermingham 
will drive Keno Hill revival

            POSTED BY: MATTHEW KEEVIL NOVEMBER 24, 2016 VOLUME 102 NUMBER 42 NOVEMBER 28 – DECEMBER 4, 2016

            “…Alexco’s goal since acquiring the land package in 2006 has been to revive the prolific district, and it hopes that a pair of discoveries will pave the way to sustainable production.

            The company took a brief run at restarting operations in 2011 when it began pulling ore from the Bellekeno silver mine, but by 2013 it had announced the “interim suspension of operations,” due to rising operating costs and falling silver prices.”

            “During a walk through Alexco’s quiet flotation mill, president and CEO Clynton Nauman says that the real upside for Keno Hill has always been exploration, and the company’s geological team has never stopped combing the 230 sq. km district for discoveries.”

            “In fact, Alexco nearly built its processing facility on top of its next potential source of mill feed, the Flame & Moth deposit, which the company found while shutting down operations three years ago….”

            “…Restarting operations would involve a “multi-mine” plan that would include the Bellekeno, Lucky Queen and Flame & Moth deposits. Nauman added, however, that Alexco wants to advance Bermingam as “quickly as realistically possible.”

            “We’re really in the unique position of hitting #production with minimal capital costs, and we have a high-grade resource developing at Bermingham,” Nauman said. “I’d caution it’s still at the discovery stage and there is plenty of work to do, but assuming we continue to see strength in the silver market, we’ll be well-positioned to look closely at redeveloping Keno Hill as we move into the new year.

            There are also other promising targets in the Bermingham area that offer similar geological potential, and I’d expect looking at those in 2017.”

            http://www.northernminer.com/news/site-visit-alexco-hopes-bermingham-%E2%80%A8will-drive-keno-hill-revival/1003781093/

          Dec 17, 2016 17:20 AM

          Speaking of Silver Stocks.

          Here is a chart of some of the Silver Exploration stocks. It is interesting to note how most got up 400% 500% 600% and some over 1000% or higher in 2016. (not bad for the Wingnut Silver investors)

          * If you believe this metals rout won’t last forever then, look at the value proposition in some of these at current levels:

          $DEF $DV $SIL $BBB $SSV $REX $CLZ $SVB $MMG $BHS

          http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?DEF.V,DV.V,SIL.V,BBB.V,SSV.V,REX.V,CLZ.V,SVB.TO,MMG.V,BHS.V&p=4&O=011000

            Dec 18, 2016 18:24 PM

            Brixton Metals’ Gary Thompson
            Thompson shares highlights from the company’s 2016 exploration programs, what’s coming up for 2017, and long-term goals for high-grade precious metals projects.

            http://investingnews.com/ceo-interviews/brixton-metals-gary-thompson/

            Dec 18, 2016 18:53 PM

            Brixton Metals strategic investors are:

            Management 12%
            Rob McEwen 9%
            Institutional 7%
            US Global 6%
            Hecla Mining 6%
            Eric Sprott 5%
            Retail 55%

            I’m very interested in both of their properties and will be curious to see how they develop the prior producing Silver mines at Langis. They have a leg up on on traditional exploration companies in that all that prior infrastructure is already in place and that area was permitted for mining in the past.

            *The Langis mine: past production (1908-1989) of 10.4Moz of Ag at 25 opt, 358,340 lbs Co(Closed in 1990 due to silver price drop to $5/oz)

            * The Hudson Bay mine: past production (1905-1953) of 6.4Moz Ag at 123 opt. 185,572 lbs Co

            In addition, their Thorn properties in the Golden Triangle have been returning some nice high grade Gold & Silver samples and drill results, so I’m really interested to see what happens in the 2017 & 2018 exploration programs.

            ______________________________________________________________________

            Brixton Metals – Corporate Slide Presentation – December 2016

            http://brixtonmetals.com/cn/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Brixton-Presentation-D2016-.pdf

          Dec 18, 2016 18:55 PM

          (USA) Americas Silver fortunes head north

          Mining Journal – 05 Dec 2016

          “Transformed Americas Silver Corporation (TSX: USA) is on the verge of its biggest change yet, with a low-cost brownfield mine in Mexico set to complete the company’s transition from fourth cost-quartile producer in 2014 to first quartile, and substantial free cash generator, from 2018….”

          http://www.mining-journal.com/gold-and-silver-investor-hub/gold-and-silver-investor-hub-resourcestocks-company-profiles/americas-silver-fortunes-head-north/

    Dec 17, 2016 17:06 AM

    Gold found some support at the intersection of two pitchforks. The one that surprised me a little is the Schiff fork (blue). It is unlike most Schiff forks in that it is not pointing in the same direction as the Andrew’s pitchfork that it is derived from (grey).

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24GOLD&p=D&yr=1&mn=5&dy=22&id=p14896238375&a=444055643

    Dec 17, 2016 17:13 AM

    MARKETS CALM DOWN AHEAD OF THE HOLIDAYS
    Markets appear to have stabilized following the hawkish FOMC meeting earlier this
    week. The US dollar gave back some recent gains against G10 majors while AUDUSD
    and NZDUSD traded lower upon increased tensions in the South China Sea after China
    seized an unmanned underwater vehicle from the US Navy. North American rates
    ended the day unchanged apart from a modest selloff in the long-end. Canadian
    equities made a modest gain while major US indices closed below par. Crude oil ended
    the week on a firmer footing, up 2%, while gold prices saw a modest bounce to $1133/
    oz after sliding nearly $30 following the FOMC decision on Wednesday.
    US: Housing starts fell 18.7% m/m to 1090k in November, a far sharper drop than the
    market consensus for 1230k. With single unit starts only modestly lower, it was the
    pullback in the multi-unit segment which drove the headline result. Multi-units starts fell
    by 45% on the month, bringing the level below its trough from September. November
    building permits fell by 4.7% due to a sizeable decline in multifamily permits authorized.
    CA: Foreign purchases of Canadian securities increased to $15.7bn in October.
    Purchases were skewed towards debt securities, split roughly evenly between money
    market and bonds, while equity purchases amounted to just $1.8bn. Canadian
    purchases of foreign securities total $2.1bn, of which $1.7bn were equities.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:16 AM

    I found it interesting that a couple weeks ago Avi was touting $16 silver as being his # that guaranteed one couldn’t lose. Now he’s dropped that figure to $15.50. Even so I appreciate his bullishness for almost everything in the coming year.

    b
    Dec 17, 2016 17:38 AM

    AVIs thinking is higher US markets, sounds like lower gold.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:07 AM

    According to O’Leary who is visiting Switzerland, the Swiss investors are cashing out of US investments and going to about 34% cash as they don’t have confidence in US earnings and plan instead to invest in debt for US shale oil companies.

      b
      Dec 17, 2016 17:54 AM

      I heard Oleary say he keeps 5% phyzz gold but wont touch a gold miner.
      Says they are the worst business managers he knows of, always looking for cash.
      I had to laff, he is right.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:10 AM

    Andrew Maguire (Audio) election Gold capping with the Indian experiment with the war on cash.

    India was a trial balloon to kill the gold market. It also kicked off a major black market. Folks are not bypassing government paper because of lack of trust.

    http://kingworldnews.com/andrew-maguire-12-17-16/

    Dec 17, 2016 17:19 AM

    The Fed is irresponsible if they are going with 3 hikes in one year. It will cause a recession, stock market crash and crash currencies of other nations.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:24 AM

    Matthew, your gray pitchfork goes completely against the Andrew Maguire video everyone is referencing.

    Either the pullback was completely technical and reasonable or it was an “attack” “war” “rinse” as Andrew Maguire claims.

    Is he a gold pumping swamp creature or just a lousy technician?

      Dec 17, 2016 17:46 AM

      It’s funny that you mention the one pitchfork on that chart that is not in play right. As for Maguire, I don’t follow him but it seems to me that he reports what he sees and draws conclusions about it. He’s not clearly a pumper in my book.

      To me, a true pumper is someone who does not believe in what he’s promoting. Whether he’s long and intends to sell everything to suckers quickly or is pumping the opposite of what he is doing. Like you. You pump the hell out of the bearish case for gold yet are positioned like a raging bull. Your exposure is significant based on your words of a few years ago. However, the one thing that saves you from the “pumper” label, in my opinion, is that you’re as off-sides as any of your potential “victims.”

      Fundamentals ARE technicals; there’s no such thing as “completely” technical. The two are interlocked in a way that is both interesting and incredible. Most will never understand that.

        Dec 17, 2016 17:47 PM

        Oops, first line should end with “…not in play right now.”

        GH
        Dec 18, 2016 18:13 AM

        The resonance between different time scales and different assets frequently blows my mind. Kinda like that Secrets in Plain Sight video. Many thanks for that reference :).

    Dec 17, 2016 17:32 AM

    GDX $14 to $16 could be a great safe buying zone. Gold near 1030 to 1050.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:41 AM

      Paul, you good be very right about your GDX prognostication—-also, your silver thoughts. My technicals are suggesting that possibility. All I have to say is what I’ve been saying for some time; there is no magic elixir for the PMs in the near term. This investment area is for the patient.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:38 AM

    There is no way silver is going to the 2011 highs for a very very long time. It could take 10 years. Silver is headed to $15.

      GH
      Dec 17, 2016 17:38 AM

      I dunno, Paul, we’re not in normal times. Things could easily go nonlinear.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:53 AM

      If gold can bottom above last year’s low, then it will take more like two or three years.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:42 AM

    I remember one foolish expert on safehaven a few months back predicting $55 GDX when GDX was near $32. This idiot had this target to occur within about 1 to 2 weeks. People pay fools like this for subscriptions.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:15 PM

    Paul, this “foolish expert” you mention I’m sure did a lot of damage to some people.

    Perhaps if I started my drain the swamp campaign sooner he would have popped up on my radar and saved a few people from financial ruin.

    Some people don’t like that I want to point out who these so called experts are and save some people from falling prey to their traps.

    But here it is another example of you shining the light on it.

    now watch the attacks begin

      Dec 17, 2016 17:20 PM

      I had a $19 target at that time on GDX while people were busy celebrating and looking for greater highs.

      GH
      Dec 18, 2016 18:09 AM

      No one denies there are scammers out there, James.

      By lumping people like Bo Polny with Rob Arnott and Rick Rule, you show you can’t tell the difference between an expert, a fool, and a snake oil salesman.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:15 PM

    I just noticed Coca Cola is close to 52 weeks lows and a good buy and yields 3.35%.

    Dec 17, 2016 17:51 PM

    Anyone here care to know what Gary Savage has been doing this weekend? He has been eliminating all subscribers who ridicule him about his bad trades including myself and about ten others or more that I’m aware of. He’s running a complete dictatorship within his compound with a Napoleon syndrome attitude. He is also deleting negative comments on his free blog and then banning the posters! What a creep.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:49 AM

      He has been completely wrong as I expected. He said this time it is different and he just knows (from his secret crystal ball??) this is the start of a big new bull market and he kept calling it a “baby bull” that will have small corrections and keep moving up. I remember commenting on the site that it is a bear market rally and he did not agree. If gold gets above 1400 I might believe it. It could take a year to get back to the last high but if it does not hold 1000 we could see 800’s and GDX at $10.

        Dec 18, 2016 18:34 AM

        Paul, the action indicates new bull more than bear market rally. The strength of the moves in the miners and silver relative to gold, and the strength of the tiny cap juniors relative to the safer larger miners, has been unlike that of any bear market rally.

        I learned long ago that watching the micro and nano caps is more useful than watching GDX when trying to get an idea about what the smartest money is doing. I don’t think that juniors like IPT.V would still be trading at 5 times the January low if this is just bear market action.

        Silver has given back 75% of its 2016 while IPT.V has given back just 62%. In absolute terms, silver has fallen 25% since its ’16 high while IPT has fallen 57%.

        It is too soon to conclude that the sector is not starting a new bull market.

          b
          Dec 18, 2016 18:41 PM

          I saw ipt at 61 when you were saying 55, it went up a bit from there but its back down again.
          ipt is one that could drop quite a bit should gold continue down.

          about 1000 could still happen (maybe lower) if it does ipt should be a cheap one to buy.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:28 AM

    David simply walk away from narcissists like Savage. They’ve lost the plot.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:45 AM
    Dec 18, 2016 18:05 AM

    “The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence”. This quote is from the website of Dr. Brett Steenbarger, definitely an intelligent guy who truly knows what he’s doing. He is a trained psychologist and mainly writes on the psychology of trading.

    http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/

    Dec 18, 2016 18:25 AM

    Sorry here’s the top page:
    http://smartmoneytrackerpremium-exposed.com/

    Dec 18, 2016 18:06 AM

    Gold…

    It’s interesting in my mind. Part of the reason that i got on board the gold is going higher trade is the doom and gloom in the broader global economy- more specifically how is the vast global indebtedness going to unfold??? In my mind the gold trade is assymetrical- with MASSIVE upside potential and limited downside potential. Whilst i understand that popularity with Gold ebs and wains (and we are going through an unpopular phase), I am honestly struggling to see why/how/when my original investment thesis has changed. Personally I am quitely confident that the Bull will resume…it’s just a matter of when. Any thoughts out there?

    Dec 18, 2016 18:11 AM

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/42149/correction-over-gold-and-gold-stocks-eyeing-new-highs
    A premium service to subscribe to predicting 1550 gold back in August. No one is qualified to forecast gold except god. I can forecast oil targets to within about a 50cents to $2 and sometimes right to the penny like the last 54.50 target I had but gold is impossible to forecast.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:31 AM

    Some comedy: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/could-nugt-again-rise-over-2000share
    Short-Term GDX Forecast

    The GDX is looking to replicate the 2009 breakout. Moreover, all the Technical Indicators support that forecast. On-Balance Volume, RSI and CMF. Further, it appears GDX might soar over 70% to $55 from today’s price of $30 — per W. D. Gann’s Theory of Symmetry GDX might top $55 within the 5-6 months.

    But the big beneficiary would be NUGT, which is the 3X Long ETF for GDX. Consequently if GDX rises 70%, theoretically NUGT should go ballistic up +210% — already NUGT has soared 80% during the past couple of weeks from $50 to $90:

    Dec 18, 2016 18:49 AM

    Early in the big run this year, I said to focus on the weekly charts. That includes using weekly closing prices. If we do that, gold still not quite retested the breakout of the downtrend that’s based on the 2014 top…

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24GOLD&p=W&yr=3&mn=9&dy=22&id=p46743576060&a=417338610

    As mentioned yesterday, gold is very likely to put in a right-translated intermediate term cycle – and that is bullish.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:07 PM

    A few years back when Apple got near $800 before the 1 for 7 split investors and the financial experts on websites were aiming for $1,000 when it was clearly in a big bubble with the 200 day moving average near 385. I had mentioned a $385 target to my friends and on some sites and it came down right to around 375 or 377 and bounced from there. All bubbles eventually burst especially when a chart looks to spectacular just like GDX.

    b
    Dec 18, 2016 18:36 PM

    I heard gold described as a “rolling bottom” today.
    not real good for gold bulls.

    CFS
    Dec 18, 2016 18:48 PM

    I do not have corroboration, but I was told London is shipping about 25 oz of silver to China for every oz of gold.
    My contact says, one should not focus on gold being shipped to China, but on the amount of silver being shipped there, which has increased a lot recently.
    I have not been able to find verifiable data on the volume of silver being shipped from London to China.
    It does make sense, however:
    For gold: London price: $1134.59, SGE price: $1179.51
    Premium = 3.17%
    For Silver: London price: $16.06, SGE price: $17.81
    Premium = 10.90%
    The Chinese are paying about three times a higher premium for silver compared to gold.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:21 PM

    After the crash of 2008, silver went on to move 30% above the 25 month MA in 2009. It did the same thing in 2016 after bottoming in 2015. In both instances, silver then plunged 25% to test the 25 month MA. As we know, after that test in 2009, silver then went up 240% in just over a year.

    Monthly silver:

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24SILVER&p=M&yr=17&mn=0&dy=0&id=p05842904746&a=494446765

    Dec 18, 2016 18:38 PM

    2 of 4 criteria that correlate well with impulsive bull markets in XAU are currently unfavorable to such an advance. That will probably change later this year but for now there are difficult headwinds.

      Dec 18, 2016 18:48 PM

      That is true. If it weren’t, there wouldn’t be so much bearishness among retail investors and pros alike.

    Dec 18, 2016 18:12 PM

    Right, although bearishness is the sentiment caused by the feedback loop of falling prices. It is unlikely that prices will rise dramatically leading to a bullish feedback loop until a couple of fundamental correlates reverse course. That may happen later in 2017…

      Dec 18, 2016 18:48 PM

      I believe that it absolutely will happen. Those who are less sure should wait until things look better to get positioned.

      There are many approaches to assessing the odds but most people need to see clear strength before they act.

    Dec 19, 2016 19:15 AM

    GDXJ has followed my arrow perfectly. I have not moved that blue arrow since I drew it two weeks ago.

    When I first posted the chart, it was to show what was possible. Unfortunately, I did not make the call that it would likely happen.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GDXJ&p=W&yr=1&mn=11&dy=22&id=p66329238142&a=444212943

    Dec 19, 2016 19:20 AM

    SLV just broke out of a small downtrend that began on Friday.

    3 minute chart:

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SLV&p=3&yr=0&mn=0&dy=3&id=p12606595077&a=494229801