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This Week Is Important For The Metals To Stabilize

Cory
June 18, 2018

This call with Doc was recorded at the end of the day on Friday. I was working on the weekend show and failed to get it up before the weekend. The conversation is still very relevant to the metals especially since today is giving that sector a little breather.

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    Jun 18, 2018 18:21 AM

    Doc, I lost control this morning and bought some BTI@48.5. Then it fell to 48.01 and will no doubt fall much lower. How low can it go? How can you say no to Pall Mall, Lucky Strike, Camel, Kent, Newport, Vogue, Dunhill, and Rothman’s?

      Jun 18, 2018 18:40 PM

      BB; next time listen to your doctor’s prescription. I hate to say this but over the next few weeks and months this stock could say hello to a price of 35. By the way, what was the other one you flew by me that I said technically looked better?

        Jun 18, 2018 18:19 PM

        Doc, at 35 BTI will yield over 8%. I’ll buy more@35! Do you think MO and PM will drop another 30% from here like BTI?
        The other stock was IMBBY, Imperial Brands, 4th largest tobacco stock. It sells Winston, Salem, John Player, and Montechristo.

          Jun 18, 2018 18:22 PM

          Don’t be surprised if it turns at $45 and change, Bonzo.

            Jun 18, 2018 18:39 PM

            Thanks, Matthew. I won’t be surprised if 45 is the bottom. I will be shocked if it falls to 35.

            Jun 19, 2018 19:14 AM

            I would love to swap each of my NSRPF shares for a share of BTI some day.

      Jun 18, 2018 18:57 PM

      HLS…….TSA………Ron Paul says , let dump the dummies……..they are just a bunch of…

        Jun 18, 2018 18:58 PM

        let to lets……

    Tom
    Jun 18, 2018 18:00 PM

    long TRXC

      Jun 18, 2018 18:28 PM

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      Interesting pick Tom.

    Jun 18, 2018 18:07 PM

    Doc & Cory,

    What are your thoughts on the other PMS? Platinum and Palladium?

    And DOc, do you think it is possible gold NEVER recovers instead of the U-shape recovery you have predicted?

      Jun 18, 2018 18:47 PM

      Vlad, platinum and palladium scare me right now. Palladium could be double topping on the 20 year chart and if it is, the metal could break back down to the 600 area. Platinum worries me more then palladium; it looks like it wants to move down and challenge the 800 level again and it better hold there (my intuition tells me it’ll be difficult) or we’ll see the 400-600 level. Be careful with these 2 right here.

      Jun 18, 2018 18:49 PM

      As far as gold is concerned, it will recover but if platinum and palladium break down, the next move for gold as far as timeframe will discourage the gold bugs. Hopefully we break out before 2020.

        b
        Jun 18, 2018 18:45 PM

        “Hopefully we break out before 2020”

          Jun 18, 2018 18:56 PM

          it is a dead deal…if it does not happen before 2020…….

            Jun 18, 2018 18:00 PM

            Many will not be around…..as far as that goes……many have said bye, bye already…

        Jun 18, 2018 18:24 PM

        2020 is a long wait, so yeah, hopefully gold will break out before then. Yikes !

          b
          Jun 18, 2018 18:04 PM

          I bought my hoards a few years ago, I figured then the payoff would begin in 2020.
          So, nutins changed as far as Im concerned.

            Jun 18, 2018 18:57 PM

            My trading account positions in Gold & Silver mining companies are based on a thesis that Gold bottomed in 2015 and started it’s first impulse leg up in the first 8 months of 2016. If that is true, then we’ll be seeing the next up-leg in the PMs later this year and moving into 201.

            If Gold drifts sideways to down until 2020 then the whole sector would be in the doldrums for years, instead of just for the summer, and then the move up in 2016 would have just been a false start, but I don’t see anything to confirm that yet.

            As stated on the weekend show there is nothing in gold that leads me to believe 2016 was just a little rally or fluke, and it was much more significant than that. The fact that so few can seem to understand this, will just make the next leg of the bull that much more intense as so many will be wrong-footed once again, and then need to position after many gains have already played out.

            Jun 18, 2018 18:04 PM

            Here were a few musing I posted on the weekend show regarding the 2016 surge:

            I’ve read a number of editorials and heard a number of interviews from the recent resource investing shows (and even here on the KER) where pundits have dismissed that move in 2016 as nothing more than a “dead cat bounce” or a “relief rally” but those comments are wrong on many levels technically.

            First of all, a “dead cat bounce” or “relief rally” is when an equity is still in a cyclical bear market and bounces, but will resume the downtrend; and that is clearly NOT what happened in Gold as it has never gotten anywhere close to the $1045.40 low from December 2015 in 2 and 1/2 years.

            In fact, some pundits seem to have amnesia that in 2018 the high in Gold actually already took out the 2017 high, so Gold is much closer to making new highs if anything.

            When Gold surged for the first 8 months of 2016 it took out a number of prior peaks & the 2013 spike down trough that really accelerated the bear market, and those hadn’t been cleared in years. That makes 2016 an “impulse leg” higher because it took out the most recent prior peaks, (but actually took out about 3 of them).

            Next up, Gold pricing surged up through a number of key prior moving averages (233, 144, 89) day EMAs, that it hadn’t surpassed in years. This was also true on the weekly charts. In addition, the EMAs reverted back to the shorter ones on top and the longer duration ones on the bottom, where in the bear market the shorter were on the bottom and the longer were on top. Those were 2 more key clues that the bear market had truly end in the metal in Dec 2015. Relief rallies don’t do that.

            Lastly, 2016 broke down most of the normal seasonality trends in an outside year where the metals continued rallying through the PDAC curse in March, and then powering through the remainder of Spring and into the Summer Doldrums to new highs. It was very unusual and strong action.

            Finally, Gold had gotten too far ahead of itself and corrected back down during late Aug – Oct (a time that is typically a strong seasonal period for Gold). That move up for the 8 months into August showed how strong the energy being released was and was yet another tell that this was not just a fluke or a relief rally, so the consolidation since then makes sense to digest those gains.

            Pundits that are now dismissing the move up in 2016 as some kind of novelty, or just a nice little bounce don’t seem to understand the gravity of that move up, the overhead resistance that was sliced through like a hot knife through butter, and how that definitively ended the bear market once and for good.

            Gold has been in a new bull market since the tail end of Dec 2015 and has been making higher lows ever since. It is nowhere close to $1045.50, and took out the 2017 high this year.

            Unless Gold takes out $1238 to the downside then even that trend upwards of higher lows has not been negated either.

            http://schrts.co/wkPR7B

      Jun 18, 2018 18:20 PM

      Senor Putin, platinum is at a couple of decent supports and looks to be very close to a significant low.
      The weekly RSI(14) is at a level that is consistent with bull market lows (and every low since January, 2016).
      The monthly MACD has diverged bullishly for the last 22 months (which is not surprising considering the lack of downside strength in that period).
      Downside risk looks like forty or fifty bucks.
      http://schrts.co/r51Y2R

    Jun 18, 2018 18:48 PM

    The biggest news in the resource space to kick off the week is hands down the AZ takeover by South32 in the Zinc space.

    >> Hat tip to Dan, calgary that first tipped us off to Arizona Silver when they were Wildcat Silver. What a joruney this stock went on !!

    ___________________________________________________________________

    South32 to Acquire Arizona Mining in Agreed All Cash Offer

    @nasdaq on June 17, 2018

    https://ceo.ca/@nasdaq/south32-to-acquire-arizona-mining-in-agreed-all-cash

      Jun 18, 2018 18:49 PM

      What We Can Learn From The Chart of Arizona Mining

      by @Goldfinger on June 18, 2018

      https://ceo.ca/@goldfinger/what-we-can-learn-from-the-chart-of-arizona-mining

        Jun 18, 2018 18:54 PM

        … and my personal favorite post that got referenced again on ceo.ca today was from a contributor named “Engineer” as he freakin’ nailed on all the hit pieces from blogs and newsletters that keep investors out of some of the best returns in the sector, and they are often dead wrong…..

        _________________________________________________________________

        @engineer – “Will you let newsletter writers scare you into selling your multi-bagger stocks?”

        Has anyone heard of Arizona Mining? Have you seen the insane grades of Zinc and Lead intersections they hit earlier this year?
        They just recently hit HDS-477, includes 111m f 155g/t Silver + 7.70% Lead + 7.51% Zinc + 0.19% Copper. What!? This thing must have gone up straight through the roof right?
        Nope … albeit HDS-477 was reported just recently… let’s see where AngryGeo and IKN were talking about Arizona Mining earlier this year.

        Arizona Mining Timeline:

        January 1-30, 2017 Angry Geologist Negative Articles on AZ. There are a big fat (7) articles slamming Arizona Mining. SEVEN!?!
        March 1, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $2.80
        March 29, 2017 Angry Geologist Negative Articles on AZ
        March 29, 2017 IKN article on AZ “read as TAG’s succinct and pithy take on “One-Of-The-World’s-Largest-Manganese-Zinc-Deposits”
        March 30, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $2.20
        April 3, 2017 PEA shows 42% IRR!? What!?
        April 10, 2017 Angry Geologist Negative Articles on AZ: “The other big concern I have is the comment that they can raise significant funds”
        April 17, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $1.70
        April 20, 2017 Arizona Mining releases assy that includes 27.3% Zinc, 22.4% Lead and 14.9 opt Silver. This is amazing news you would think right?
        April 20, 2017 Angry Geologist Negative Articles on AZ: “Manto zone – contains oxides, won’t be mined” “Scherrer zone- low Zn recovery, unlikely to be mined”
        April 20, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $2.20 – recovery on good solid news
        April 27, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $1.80. Stock price is down 15-20% after blockbuster results from Arizona. Newsletter writers doing their work
        May 1, 2017 Major $110 Financing from South32 – Wait what? Such a trashed stock suddenly got financing from a major for the tune of $110 million?!?
        Decemer 13, 2017 Arizona Mining stock price = $3.35. They continue to deliver amazing intercepts. No more bashing… major has already got their piece of the pie. Moving on to next target.

        Oh hey, did I mention Tom Szabo was also bashing Arizona Mining for the entire first 4 months as well? Hey look, he’s doing it to GGI too now!?

        Garibaldi Resources Timeline [Insert multiple Angry Geo, Brent Cook, Warren Irwin, Tom Szabo comments and articles in right after each GOOD news release]

        November 16, 2017 – GGI share price = $4.60
        November 20, 2017 – Garibaldi Drilling Tracks Nickel-Copper Rich Massive Sulphide Conductors To New Discovery Zone
        November 22, 2017 – GGI share price = $1.70 low. What?!? Why?! That was such a good news release… oh bashers present.
        December 5, 2017 – GGI share price = $2.92 – recovering because people can’t find out why such good intercepts are being hated on by NWL. Retail and smart money buy.
        December 6, 2017 – World class intercept GGI drills 7.3% Nickel And 3.3% Copper Over 9.9 Meters At Nickel Mountain
        December 6, 2017 – GGI share price = $3.51 price continues to recover on GOOD news.
        December 8, 2017 – World class intercept GGI drills 8.3% Nickel and 4.2% Copper Over 16.75 Meters at Nickel Mountain
        December 9, 2017 – GGI opens at $4.50+ on this crazy good intercept. Short funds dump 600,000 shares to cause mass panic to scare away retail round 2.
        December 12, 2017 – IKN negative article on GGI
        December 13, 2017 – IKN negative article on GGI

        “Reminder: Eric Sprott bought after each good release, bought on all dips. He’s a billionaire. Newsletter writers are not. Follow the money. ”

        “The similarities and hallmarks of what GGI are stunning, and I present to you the Arizona Mining comparison.”

        “The shorts are more aggressive on Garibaldi.”

        “Same newsletter writers, same bashers, same world-class deposits at stake for being sold off for TOO CHEAP.”

        “Will you let NWL and bashers (AngryGeologist, BrentCook, Tom Szabo) scare you away on your shares so the big boys like South32 can come and swoop in the company cheaply? ”

        —-> @engineer.

        https://ceo.ca/index?b5d09969e709

          Jun 18, 2018 18:17 PM

          Indeedy Ex, I never understood why a retired gold geo like Cook would crap all over geology that is NOT his expertise what so ever! I believe he missed the boat on it and wanted to bash it down so he could load up on his own shares.

            Jun 18, 2018 18:58 PM

            Often times those blogs or newsletter writers bashing a stock will pick a popular company doing well to take a swipe out just to be nasty, and take the wind out of their sails. There are times where flavors of the month get really over-valued and they need the counter-balance, and then there are times where the hit piece really warps the real picture in a very lop-sided, and often incorrect way.

            Organized disingenuous short-selling that mixes bad facts with dubious narratives are slimy/ugly and a scourge on the industry (albeit they are often effective in scaring away fickel resources investorts). While there nuggets of truth and genuine reasons for concern in many of their hit pieces, we’ve also seen a number of flat out misstatements with the dingbats over at Kerrisdale & Muddy Waters (ie… like with First Majestic/Northern Dynasty/Asanko smear pieces).

            There are times these negative-bias skeptics do uncover legitimate (although often inflated) concerns, and thus they offer some value, but often their jaded nature blinds them from the speculative gains, and sometimes it is better to make some cake with imperfect companies, than to just hurl rocks at every single company, deposit, or managment team.

            Sing you specifically named Brent, I just wanted clarify that I like him, and see him as a very smart guy. He has pointed out legitimate flaws and was right about companies like Rubi – con, and Pretium, and picked off some good companies prior to takeovers like Kaminak and New Market.

            However….. he is not a mining deity or all-knowing, and is often too quick to escalate analysis to a “fatal flaw” diagnosis or simply dismiss companies that he hasn’t really taken the time to understand. It make sense for him to err on the conservative/risk adverse side to protect his subscribers, but I’d submit that many of the stocks he really likes are just as risky, and they’ve passed on stocks that outperformed his picks in a huge way.

            I take it all with a grain of salt, and respect a good critique of companies weaknesses, but dislike when people make a mountain out of a molehill. What is disappointing is that people put these guys/gals on pedestals with a huge mouthpiece, and often investors get scared away at the first “boo” and then throw out the money making baby with the bath-water.

            That was what I liked about @Engineer’s post up above, because some of the other negative NLW’s scared people away from good stocks, and seem to take too much glee in peeing in the punch-bowl of other people’s businesses.

            The Angry Geo put out 7 editorials ripping on Arizona Mining (AZ), raising all kinds of doubts and concerns, but at the end of the day it was one of the most impressive journeys from the Wildcat Silver days to their meteoric rise, massive high-grade Tier 1 resource, and eventual takeout by South32.

            The Angry Geo just put out a recent hit piece on Excellon, and missed a vast number of pieces in her analysis, and readers that don’t do their own due diligence will end up missing the forest through the trees.

            I’ve learned from most of the short side pieces, and dodged a few bullets as result, but don’t buy into anyone’s analysis whole cloth. To each their own.

      Jun 18, 2018 18:18 PM

      South32 buys Arizona Mining for US$1.3 billion

      Michael Allan McCrae | about 11 hours ago

      http://www.mining.com/south32-buys-arizona-mining-us1-8-billion/

    Jun 18, 2018 18:09 PM

    ex…….interesting

      Jun 18, 2018 18:02 PM

      Thanks OOTB. Here’s something else interesting about the (AZ) Arizona Mining deal:

      > Former Speaker Boehner Earns a Cool Million on Arizona Mining Deal

      by @tommy on June 18, 2018

      https://ceo.ca/@tommy/former-speaker-boehner-makes-a-cool-million-on-arizona-mining-deal

        Jun 18, 2018 18:14 PM

        Interesting comments about the AZ Executive Chairman Richard Warke:

        ________________________________________________

        @tommy – “$545.5 million payday for Mr. Warke (87,984,762 shares at $6.20). He retains a 2% NSR on Hermosa, which could be more valuable than his shares.”

        “Warke spent years going after the Hermosa property. In conversation, he has attributed his success to a focus on quality assets, perseverance and common sense.”

        “I am in awe this morning.” – $AZ about 10 hours ago

        https://ceo.ca/@tommy?783929e33e5f

            Jun 18, 2018 18:38 PM

            Beats the heck out of owning the phyz…………what a take……..looks like another insider gets to take a HAUL IT TO THE BANK

            Jun 19, 2018 19:30 AM

            Yes, and while AZ started as a Silver company it transformed into a Zinc/Lead company, and most people don’t stack the physical in those, so buying the mining shares was a much more profitable venture.