The inverse correlation between PMs and yields is critical right now
Craig Hemke joins me today to discuss the broad market environment that is continuing to push the gold price down. Currently the precious metals have a lot going against them but the more than doubling in the 10 year yield has timed perfectly with the correction in gold.
+1 Sach. “the government puts out CPI numbers that are absolute fiction compared to real world inflation experienced by the masses. ”
Bingo!
After listening to Craig’s comments today on the 10 year yields rising being the number one headwind to Gold, I’m in complete agreement. Also, as he mentioned the US Dollar strengthening to where it is now around 91-92 didn’t stop the Gold from breaking up above $2,000 last summer, so that is not the issue with the yellow metal. Often Gold & the Dollar will travel in tandem, so the inverse correlation hasn’t been a think for quite some time (and it only happens for periods of time, so the Dollar and Gold are not as inversely correlated as the puppets in the main stream financial media would have investors believe).
As for the general stock markets rising, that isn’t really that big of a factor either, weighing on Gold in any significant fashion. Keep in mind, the stock markets have been rising for years, at the same time as the bull market in the precious metals has been unfolding since 2016, so that isn’t why PMs have been in a funk either.
Craig has hit the nail on the head, and the real rates are the prime mover of Gold. The fact that real rates (nominal rate – inflation rate) have been negative for years, is the fuel that has taken gold higher, and there are no signs that is going to change anytime soon, despite the small uptick in the 10 year rates.
In addition, I agree with Craig’s comments on how the FED will control yields and will not let them climb too high or it will bring down the whole debt-burdened house of cards. Whether they come out with official policy, or as he mentioned, whether they instead try and jawbone the markets into submission by stating they are going to purchase treasuries in force above a certain rate 1.5%-2%, the effect will be the same and they will be taming yields if they run much higher.
As a result, rates will be confined to a narrow channel, and with real inflation getting hotter, this will keep real inflation-adjusted rates negative, making bonds much less attractive, and a boring trade. The rising inflation and negative real rates will continue to underpin Gold’s attractiveness as a tier 1 asset, and better store of value that can appreciate higher.
As a result, many of the pension funds and institutional funds holding bonds, will realize their 40 year old bubble is over, and that they are actually losing 1-2% per year to hold stagnant bonds. Once they realize the cheese has moved, at that the asset that they have mocked for years for not paying a yield, (Gold), represents a better safety play because they are losing money in it, and the yellow metal can keep appreciating in price where bonds are going to be stuck in the much.
When the wider investing universe wakes up to the range bond are going to get stuck in, then this is the longer-term macro driver that will cause a great sector rotation out of bonds and into gold, and is the fuel for Gold demand for years to come.
think = thing (ie. the inverse correlation hasn’t been a thing for quite some time).
Correction to this part. It should read:
“…they are actually losing 1-2% per year to hold 10 year notes. Once they realize the cheese has moved, and that the asset which they have mocked for years for not paying a yield, (Gold), represents a better safety play because they are NOT losing money in it, and the yellow metal can keep appreciating in price where bonds are going to be stuck in the muck.”
I had started working on a small editorial about this sector rotation from Bonds into Gold over the next few years, and this editorial with Craig today, is inspiring me to get it wrapped up, and I’ll post it when completed.
The Great Sector Rotation Out Of Bonds And Into Gold
By: Shad @ ExecelsiorProsperity – (02/05/2021)
It is easy for investors to get swept up into the daily fluctuations for any asset class or stock, and to be on the edge of one’s seat trying to determine what will happen right around the corner. We all wonder what will happen tomorrow, next week, next month… Sometimes it is helpful to zoom out from all the daily noise, and look at the larger macro forces at work.
With regards to what the drivers for the Precious Metals will be, there are always short-term events (black swans, Fed statements, Brexit, trouble in EU, stimulus bills, news on repo market swaps, etc…) that come and go, but the longer term thesis (boring as it is for so many now) is still quite relevant.
There really IS way too much national debt on that backs of countries all over the globe. Central bank meddling and increasing the money supply through easing measures, combined with super low – to zero – to even negative rates that also translate to negative real rates, is a great environment for the Precious Metals. Gold is increasingly being remembered as the “uncurrency” and uncorrelated store of value that it is, and this will become even more apparent as the Humpty Dumpty general markets fall off the wall, and all the Feds horses, and all the King’s financial advisors can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
It is interesting to note that when most market pundit “experts” discuss the demand divers for gold, it is often focused on as jewelry demand out of the East, industrial fabrication, and then the debate around the edges is where the investment demand will come from. These are all real fundamental factors that absorb the physical markets, but ultimately they are not the source of what is driving the gold prices.
The Gold prices are driven by the futures markets, and they are massive and forward looking. This is almost entirely investment related, and has little to do with what the little guy on the street is buying from his local coin shop, and much more to do with larger money flows in the paper markets of futures contracts, or at a minimum the ETF inflows on “paper gold.” It would be nice if the actual physical markets were what drove price for real supply and demand fundamentals, but that isn’t what we’ve seen for many many years. One can fight that reality, and get upset about it philosophically, or just embrace the price action as it comes, and follow the macro trends.
The ebbs and flows of the larger paper markets in the futures contracts or GLD pricing, has little to do with jewelry and industrial fabrication, and more to do with larger big money reactions to national and international monetary policies and as tool to store value without national or individual company counter-party risk.
For a long time, as the haters and bears came out to bash Gold as a pet rock, their basic attack was that it was a boring, lifeless asset, that didn’t do anything, didn’t pay dividends or interest, and was an archaic relic of the past that no longer was money.
> The simple question to ask then is: Well if Gold isn’t Money, then why the hell are Central Banks continuing to buy Gold and store it in their vaults then?
This point, while very obvious, it getting stale in investors constant need for even more reasons why the Precious Metals will continue to see more demand. For the time being, let’s take the jewelry demand, industrial fabrication demand, smaller retail demand, and even central bank demand out of the equation for just a moment, and look at the crest of an investment wave that is just now coming into shore.
>> There is actually a huge 800 Pound Gorilla in the room that very few of the macro “experts” are discussing or have even considered.
The new money flows into gold won’t necessarily need to be physical buyers of jewelry in the East, small retail investors in the West, or even a large increase in purchases from central bankers, because it will actually be a huge “rotation trade” out of Bonds and into Gold. This may sound like a shocking claim, but follow the yellow brick road.
On a larger institutional level, the real rotation into Gold (and Silver) hasn’t even really begun yet, and most funds have zero allocation or possibly a 1-2% allocation. As that allocation grows in Gold, it will represent massive demand and soak up far more precious metals than Reddit rally or enthusiastic retail buyers. This thought should be a very encouraging thought to all precious metals investors.
The Bond Bubble will pop, and the everything rally in the general markets, already at nosebleed valuations, will be coming to an end, sooner rather than later. Yes, even though it has been a market boogey man for the last 12 years, a more significant correction really will hit the general markets in the next year or two.
Yes, nations around the globe will introduce more and more stimulus (as austerity measures in many countries were a trainwreck and failed experiment. ) and they’ll pour on MMT (Modern Monetary Theory = More Money Today) policies to reflate their way out of the mess. As anyone that has studies economics realizes, this will eventually end in currency debasement and true inflation, as stimulus funds, are actually getting to consumers and small businesses and this will finally increase money velocity of supply and circulation. Off in the distance I hear the central banks and national fiscal handlers chanting, “To infinity and beyond!”
When the music stops, and larger funds start scrambling for the remaining chairs, a large sector rotation will shift into to high gear looking for a place to shelter their assets from the coming storm. It will happen gradually at first, and then as things devolve in the general markets, all of the sudden.
Sure in the short term, interest rates have been rising, and while it seems like a lot on a percentage basis to go from 0.55% to 1.15%, these higher yields are dismal in comparison to past returns. Those celebrating the uptick in rates recently are not going to get the last hoorah though, as the central banks are definitely leaning towards controlling the curve and can’t let rates go that much higher. The Ten Year has been at 1.15% recently, (which is nothing that zesty), and maybe they let it get to 2%, but there is no way they are going to let rates normalize up to 4%-7% again, as it would implode their whole system.
As for stimulating the economy by lower rates, there isn’t much bandwidth to work with, and last summer rates were already down at bare bones minimums near zero, or even negative in Europe and Japan. That is the other bookend of the narrow range that rates are going to be stuck in for the foreseeable future. Real rates are still negative in any scenario, as inflation will outstrip the nominal rates, and so Precious Metals and maybe the Cryptos will be recipients of money flows trying to get outside of the financial tomfoolery we’ve seen on display since the 2008-2009 Great Financial Crisis.
In her recent article on Seeking Alpha called “The Hindsight Depression,” macro investor, Lyn Alden Schwartzer recently quipped:
“By 2020, private debt had gone flat for a while as a percentage of GDP (household debt was down while corporate debt was up), but federal debt began skyrocketing from an already high 106% of GDP baseline due to the pandemic and subsequent economic shutdown. Federal deficits reaching 15-20% of GDP in 2020 approached World War II levels for the first time in modern history, resulting in federal debt levels rapidly moving to 125-130% of GDP and likely higher in the years ahead. The Federal Reserve began discussing yield curve control as an option, and bought a massive amount of Treasuries in mid-March when foreigners and hedge funds sold hundreds of billion in Treasuries, and the Fed continues to buy a significant percentage of Treasury issuance out of necessity. Unlike the 2010s, the broad money supply went up extremely quickly in 2020, because banks were already well-capitalized in this environment, so the combination of fiscal spending and QE (“pandemic MMT”) injected those funds directly into the economy, much like the 1940s.”
When large generalist institutional investment funds, pension funds, and family offices look for an alternative to the “safety” that Bonds have offered in their portfolios over the next 3-5 years, (realizing that the cheese has moved), then there really aren’t that many safe havens to pick from. Gold is a far larger and more liquid market, that can actually absorb outflows from the Bond market, compared to Bitcoin & cryptos, or REITs, etc… To be sure, some funds or family offices may start allocating to something like Bitcoin, but for the old-guard bond investors, many of them will finally start rolling funds over into Gold.
This IS the major investment DEMAND that is coming for Gold, and it will play out over the next 3-5 years. It will only take a relatively small percentage of the “Safe Haven” funds currently in the Bond sector, to finally get allocated to Gold to make a massive difference in pricing. They won’t likely be storing bullion in a vault, so most of those investor funds, pension funds, and family offices will purchase exposure to the yellow metal through ETFs like the GLD. This will increase the ETF demand for much more physical inflows, and this massive institutional buying will be the market force that sets the pricing, more so than the retail guy or gal on the streets.
This is the prime mover in demand that is coming in the medium to longer term, and worth considering, far more than the daily gyrations or latest black swan event or Fed statement.
Most of the generalist investors working on the front lines in Wall St. or Bay St. have never really experienced a true recession or depression. Yes, there was the Great Financial Crisis of 2008-2009, but it was bailed out by what seemed radical at the time – Quantitative Easing by central banks, and government policies like home credits, cash for clunkers, appliance credits, and interventionist policies. This trend has only perpetuated all over the globe, with more and more QE, more direct purchasing of corporate bonds and securities in the open markets, and has been paired with more government stimulus. All of this ongoing easing, with near zero rates to borrow more and more money by banks and large corporations has just further spiked the punchbowl, and pushed more and more buying into the nosebleed levels the general markets have reached. A point is coming, where the jig will be up, the music will come to a screeching halt, and that game of “pump it up” will no longer work.
When the stocks top and start gradually turning down, some will buy the dip like they always have, but the markets will keep dropping, Then the selling will beget more selling, and the market function that usually provided a floor (short sellers covering as they clean up shop on a correction) won’t be there. Short sellers are nearly extinct at this point after 11 years of getting decimated. What this means is that when the selling really picks up steam, there won’t be the kind of support floor that normally is there, so it will be market circuit breakers instead, and a surging VIX.
When the generalist investors go through this, as their phone lines light up, and redemptions keep coming in, they’ll look for safety, and few older participants may remember the strange yellow relic from the past, that doesn’t do anything, and just sits there as a store of value – Gold.
Great article!
However, Gold is NOT money per se:
It does not work well as a Medium of Exchange.
It does not work well as a Unit of Account.
Gold works supremely well as Wealth Reified,
as in hand (or vault) it is Debt Free.
Gold pays no Interest — and demands none!
As Store of Value, Gold has no equal.
What a good read Excelsior! If I didnt know any better, I would say that you are implying a golden revolution as the reaction to decades of debt destruction?
BDC, nothing is better than gold for the measurement of market value of goods, services, and other transactions (unit of account). Gold is the ultimate numeraire.
Owing to its fungibility and nearly infinite divisibility, gold is also a great medium of exchange.
Good one Ex, this digital world only takes a few seconds from a solar flare, an EMP bomb, organized state sponsored hacking, a nuclear war and it is all over for most of the public. Then there are rogue machines that man has produced that will be a real detriment for human life. At least in 1929 the ticker tape would slip two hours behind on the recording floor and an observer could see the end had come at last. Now when the end comes it will most likely happen in a nano second with a fiat system that is backed by a keystroke from a computer. DT
A short or an overload situation will often times by pass a circuit breaker so in critical situations fuses are needed to back up breakers. Fuses are a one time thing, once they blow they must be replaced. When circuit beakers trip out even once they loose their factory settings and can’t provide their intended function. Since they removed gold’s position of backing The US dollar, it no longer provides the intended function. Purchasing power will be paralyzed until governments put themselves on a gold basis. This will be the final driver for a huge increase in the price of precious metal. DT
Hi Ozibatla. Yes, a golden revolution indeed. 🙂
It just seems to me that most traditional generalist investor funds, family funds, and pension funds are very under-allocated to Gold, or don’t have any allocation, as they’ve been trained for 3-4 decades to buy stocks for risk capital, and bonds for a safety net. Back when I was helping folks with conservative retirement planning we put their age as the percentage of bonds, and the balance into the Wallstreet casino. So if it was a younger person at 33 years old, we’d go 33% bonds 67% mutual funds, or if it was someone nearing retirement at 64 years old we’d go 64% bonds, 36% mutual funds. There are many funds that are allocating things this same way, but that model is based on when bonds yielded 4-8% inside the portfolio.
Now, that bonds are going to be stuck in a rut, between 0.5% – 1.5%, then the rate of inflation is much more, and investors are going to be losing money to hold them, making them more foolish than safe. As a result, there is going to be a big wakeup call over the next 2-3 years where institutional funds and pension funds are going to look for a way not lose money in a safe haven, and gold will look more attractive, as it preserves purchasing power by rising to outpace inflation, and when even some of those massive money flows enter the gold sector, it will provide far more demand that PM investors are planning on, and will swamp anything we see from smaller retail investors, or even central bank buying.
This will take time to play out, but I thought it was nice to zoom out from the daily noise and think big picture on this Friday. Cheers!
Thanks BDC. I still see Gold as the ultimate money, and uncurrency, and store of value. My point was more that there will be a big rotation out of bonds and into gold as this safe haven store of value, and that will be big trend over the next few years and a sea change in financial markets.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JP-Morgan-gold-is-money.jpg
Thanks DT. Yes, I may have gone into overload mode, and tripped my own circuit breakers. Haha! 🙂
Ex, how am I able to reach you offline?
Thx.
Hi Canuckski – You can hit me up over on the private chat at ceo.ca anytime.
Just go to ceo.ca and click on my username: @excelsior, and click on the black “private message” button in the upper left hand side of the screen. It brings up a dialog box with just us in the conversation.
If that doesn’t work then you can email me at excelsiorprosperity@gmail.com
GOLD: https://postimg.cc/rzp6vN27
Near O’Brien’s ‘100% Move of a Move’.
DXY: https://postimg.cc/TKz8WK10
Inverse Head & Shoulders has formed.
TNX: https://postimg.cc/gxkP3xVb
“Maximum Saturation” likely, today!
TNX: https://postimg.cc/sB2QkstC
Possible O’Brien ‘3 Gap Play’ down.
John Kicklighter on NFP and Canadian PMI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEGQD7cFkK8
“Itz a Casino!” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GZuJxp2i0
Great article EX. The Bond market does not want to give up the gravy train, but inflating the debt has to happen because it can’t be paid. The can has been kicked so much it doesn’t roll anymore. We are waiting Bond Market, but getting tired of the wait.
Thanks David. Yes, I agree the Bond market does not want to give up the old way of thinking at their gravy train, but they are going to wake up in a year or so from their stupor and realize, Bonds are stuck in a narrow Fed-controlled range, and that real inflation is outpacing their measly 0.5 -1.5% returns, and that Gold offers a better alternative to appreciate much higher and outpace inflation.
When the realize that the cheese has moved, and start to allocate money over to the yellow metal, then it will be a massive demand influx, and we may all make a little cheddar. 😉
Until then…. Ever Upward!
Another angle to consider: in order for Biden to delay the inevitable market meltdown, he had to take swift action to derail Trump’s roaring economy. That kills the multiplier effect of too much money chasing too few goods. Stagnation stagflation will be the legacy of this inept Fall Guy that won’t last two years, (due to a well-placed AOC banana peel).
I understand the concept of real yields (as a function of CPI) and the price of gold. The major problem I have is that the government puts out CPI numbers that are absolute fiction compared to real world inflation experienced by the masses. Therefore, truthful real yields are much more negative than what is being tossed about by the mainstream media.
And let’s look at the situation from a different perspective. Let’s say in 2 years time the Fed/U.S. government creates another 10 trilion in debt, yet at that future date, reported real yields are the same as today. So would the gold price be unchanged from today based on real yield alone? I don’t think so. The gold price would logically be higher because of the out of control deficit spending and free money give away.
The problem is these correlations work until they don’t. For example, about two years ago there was a strong correlation between the gold price movement and changes in the Chinese Yuan/USD currency pair (i.e. during the China/USA “trade war”). Then later on there was a strong correlation between the gold price movement and the total amount of negative (nominal) yielding debt in the world. And now its the real yield correlation based on a CPI number that is, and always has been, intentionally divorced from reality. I predict that later this year the CPI lie will be clearly seen by the masses because of the massive consumer price inflation that is already in the works due to rising input commodities (i.e. corn, lumber, oil, etc.)