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Jordan Roy-Byrne – We Aren’t In A Real Bull Market Until Gold Breaks Above $2100

Jordan Roy-Byrne, Founder and Editor of The Daily Gold, shares his technical outlook for gold, and doesn’t expect to see better valuations in the precious metal mining stocks until the yellow metal breaks above $2100.  We start off reviewing how gold is performing in relation to general US equities, and how GDX and GDXJ have performed versus the gold price.  Both of these metrics are not encouraging new buyers to come into the sector at present, and sentiment remains poor as prices have continued to correct over the last month.  

 

We go on to discuss one reason for some underperformance in producers is how inflation has compressed their margins over the last few years. However, inflation crimping producers margins doesn’t really explain the even worse underperformance of the junior explorers and developers, where even good news is being sold off as a liquidity event.  It really comes down to poor sentiment in the sector that will only improve when gold breaks out to a new high, which is where Jordan believes we will begin a new bull market in real terms.

 

 

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    May 31, 2023 31:52 PM

    “We Will Double Our Production” – Steppe Gold’s Next Steps

    Our Executive Vice President & Director, Aneel Waraich recently had the opportunity to speak with the Kitco team.

    0:20 – Thumbnail Steppe Gold.
    1:10 – What’s Steppe Gold’s production profile?
    5:10 – Mining in Mongolia. 7:05 – Infrastructure near project.
    8:48 – Community around Steppe Gold’s mine.
    10:25 – Leadership at Steppe Gold.
    14:30 – Triple Flag Precious Metals and Steppe Gold.

    https://youtu.be/uATHDk_LSAg

      May 31, 2023 31:08 PM

      It was mentioned in the interview with Jordan that we don’t really see companies going out and increasing their production in major way or doubling it, but actually we do see that, and still hardly anybody notices or cares….

      It’s not just Steppe Gold either, which I hold precisely because that massive increase in production paired with exploration upside makes them a “holy grail” gold producer. It’s also the doubling of production over the next year or so projected at Karora Resources as they have built out their 2nd decline, or I-80 Gold doubling of production from last year (with plans to then double that the succeeding year, and then double that again the year after that), or the substantial grade-driven growth and exploration upside that we’ll see at Calibre or Mako Mining or Silvercrest. Santacruz Silver has more than doubled their production output over the last year with many more mines. Avino Silver and Gold is going to massively increase production over the next 2 years bringing an additional mine into operation, and then bringing the old tailings into production. Gatos Silver has big production growth on tap over the next 1-2 years with great exploration upside. Cerrado Gold is going to double gold production over the next 2+ years. We just interviewed Silver X that will be greatly expanding it’s production profile over the balance of this year as their throughput and grade will improve. Equinox Gold is set up to massively increase it’s production output by the end of next year. We also talked today to Minera Alamos that just got the capital package announced to build it’s 2nd mine next year and more than double production. (stay tuned for that interview tomorrow).

      So…. There is PLENTY of production growth in the PM sector to get excited about, but many investors are only seeing these companies where they are today (suffering from recency bias), and are not carefully tracking what the companies are communicating about where they are going in the next 12-24 months. Most of those companies that are doing all the right kinds of work to build legitimate longer-term value have corrected down with the rest of the sector, with investors shrugging off this value creation, and therefore creating a more compelling price/value arbitrage.

      Then think about the many advanced explorers and developers also substantially increasing their resources, and yes in some cases seeing it go up 30% 50% 100% in a very short amount of time, yet selling down in the process on the low sector sentiment. Ounces in the ground have been getting less and less value over the last few years, and definitely over the last decade, despite the metals prices being at quite respectable levels and quite high historically. Companies put out resource estimates and economic studies crossing major milestones exactly as they messaged to the market they would, and these events are merely liquidity events for investors and funds to sell into.

      There is much more going on than just the effects of margin compression on producers…. there is flat-out ambivalence to the PM sector by most investors at present, including many prior bulls or market participants. Valuations of the mining stocks to metals are oversold, and even amongst the mining sector, the good stocks are being discarded right alongside the bad & ugly. Good drilling news for exploration companies has been garnering the same wave of selling over the last 5-6 weeks and really for some time (with a few rare exceptions), so that isn’t because of inflation or producers margins.

      The sentiment is still just in the toilet, even with gold having just been above $2000 in the recent past and Silver was up above $26. Sure a break above $2100 to new highs in gold will create some fanfare and headlines and will juice up the mining stocks, but they are starting from so far behind the 8 ball, and from such low valuations, that a break up to $2500 to raging all time highs in the metal, will likely not be enough to get GDX and GDXJ and especially most junior stocks to break out to all time highs.

        Jun 01, 2023 01:05 AM

        Hi Ex, that was a great rant on companies that are producing and when this market is swimming with the “fishes”, I will be revisiting your post because it is chock-a-block full of useful information. DT

          Jun 01, 2023 01:28 AM

          Thanks DT, much appreciated, and that was one of the goals of my rant – to point out that there are plenty of producers with substantial operations growth programs and exploration upside that are building plenty of value.

          Not all companies are building value (be they producers, developers, explorers, or prospect generators), but I find many investors are so keyed in on earlier stage drill-plays as the only ones building value, due to a misunderstanding of the Lassonde Curve that once a company goes into production there isn’t any more value creation. That simply is demonstrably untrue, and many miss the forest for a few trees and incorrect believe systems, or make blanket assumptions about producers that are very off-base.

    May 31, 2023 31:45 PM

    The sentiment is in the toilet, as you say. People are fearful, what is left of the middle class is struggling to survive. We all want and need normalcy but instead we get engineered epidemics, war, inflation, government intrusion. Very few people have money to invest in securities, the levels of debt have produced a slave society that can’t pay their bills anymore let alone have spare capital to invest. As interest rates keep climbing the situation must get worse, much worse until honest money can be brought back to a dishonest broke society. DT

      May 31, 2023 31:40 PM

      Yep, that a sad but true state of affairs at present DT.

    May 31, 2023 31:43 PM

    Jordan Roy-Byrne presents: “Buy Gold, Sell Commodities”

    Metals Investor Forum #MIF – May 27, 2023

    https://youtu.be/laDaDukhkF4

      Jun 01, 2023 01:37 AM

      I don’t want to disparage the experts that are brought on the show for their opinions but when I listen to most of them these days they waffle and roll over. They don’t have a handle on what is going on out there, we live in a Mad, Mad, World. They try to make sense of investing by talking up a possible recession when the rules don’t work anymore. You can’t reason your way through this dilemma. To suggest that people should by gold and sell commodities is nonsense, the public is broke. They don’t have the time or the expertise to do so. They don’t have a clue about what has even caused all the inflation we are seeing in the system.

      It is like expecting the Bull Market in conventional stocks to keep going up, it’s over, the printed money is going into a few high-flyers and that is sustaining the market for now, but it will not last. The prices at the pinnacle are over. The market is not readjusting itself into ” a more secure technical position”. Prophecy at its best even in normal times is the most hazardous of occupations. The skies are none too bright these days and that is a prediction that holds water.

      There will be a panic, there will be a crash, we are entering a new economic era. The people in charge of the financial system don’t have a clue on how to guide the bridle, the system has proven itself to be too complex for them. The United States is the most bankrupt nation the World has ever seen, nothing but a major reset will allow us to travel down a different stream or channel. DT

        Jun 01, 2023 01:26 AM

        Ditto DT……… most are CLUELESS…………

          Jun 01, 2023 01:37 AM

          Any hope of change going forward…….. was just dashed with Ding Dong Liar McCarthy folding like a cheap tent.
          Politicians are all liars and have been sell out for EVER…. clueless and hopium sheeple believe
          in something that does not exist.

          More Printing is coming and the DEBT is going UP……..
          Plan accordingly…..

          ..

        Jun 01, 2023 01:38 AM

        The manipulators have stolen so much that they are locked into their intervention programs. Criminals tend to repeat until stopped legally.

    Jun 01, 2023 01:54 AM

    Phony metals prices up today. MMs have taken their ball and gone home. They don’t want to play anymore.

    Jun 01, 2023 01:48 AM

    Made a second buy of Gladiator.

      Jun 01, 2023 01:34 PM

      Also added to Aztec again and just a few to snowline.

    Jun 01, 2023 01:57 AM

    Lately I have been buying HighGold Mining, they are doing a spin-out of their two other properties and if you are an existing shareholder by June 6th, 2023, you will be eligible for their spinco shares. DT

      Jun 01, 2023 01:06 AM

      Good idea DT. As a warning to US Schwab holders, unless things have changed, their tech people don’t know the difference between a spinco and a share split. I got burned on the Vizsla spinco of their copper stock and the only way I could correct the tax errors was to sell both. I could not convince Schwab to even discuss it.I wrote the Vizla CEO to no avail as well as Eric Coffin gave it a shot.

    Jun 01, 2023 01:29 AM

    Today gave me a good chance to load up on HGD (gold and gold stocks down) for a short time. I’ve blown out almost all my Big Ridge, Defiance, Impact and Kootenay and would have blown out all my Santacruz if the effin’ thing wasn’t halted.

    I’m loading up on Athabasca, ATH, and will have no problem blowing it out for a few bucks… happy summer trading, haha!;-)

    https://schrts.co/YGKyMbsK

    Jun 01, 2023 01:37 AM

    Lots of anxious comments here………Forget looking for logic……….Logic doesn’t often apply in markets when they are possessed with fear or greed……….Charts are devoid of the emotions and one must stick to the ticker !!! We often lose track of the BIG DOGS on the porch, banking community, that can just naked short as much comex paper as needed to keep perception of gold under control…………..things will only change, perhaps, when seemingly endless true stagflation sinks into the mainstream mantra…………but we are just not there yet …..IMHO !

    Jun 01, 2023 01:53 PM

    Looks like going to be Green today…very strange feeling.