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Weekend Show – Brian Leni & Josef Schachter – Rotating Some Profits Out Of Precious Metals? Copper and Oil/NatGas Equities Analysis

Cory
October 4, 2025

 

This weekend’s KE Report dives into two overlooked corners of the resource market. First, we sit down with Brian Leni, who shares why rotating profits from precious metals into copper, nickel, and undervalued juniors is the contrarian play. Then we shift gears with Josef Schachter of the Schachter Energy Report, who outlines why oil and natural gas remain sluggish today but could be setting up for a major multi-year rebound.



  • Segment 1 & 2 – Kicking off the show is Brian Leni, founder and editor of Junior Stock Review, who recaps the Metals Investor Forum and makes the contrarian case for rotating some profits from the hot precious-metals trade into undervalued copper and nickel. Focused on copper stock analysis he stresses bottom-up analysis over EV/lb shortcuts, the primacy of infrastructure/jurisdiction and major-partner backing for capex-heavy projects, cautioning against small early-stage hype.
  • Click here to visit the Junior Stock Review website to keep up to date on what Brian is investing in

 

  • Segment 3 & 4 – Josef Schachter, founder and editor of the Schachter Energy Report (and author of Eye on Energy on Substack), also hosting the Catch the Energy conference in Calgary on Oct 18. He outlines why oil and gas are soft near-term (seasonality, rising OPEC/Kurdistan supply, resilient U.S. output), expects WTI to test $57–59 before recovering toward the $70s next year and potentially $80+ in 2026, sees nat gas improving with winter and LNG Canada, and favors dividend-paying names, selective small caps, and M&A opportunities after a further washout.
  • Click here to learn more about The Schachter Energy Report and Josef’s Catch The Energy Conference in Calgary on October 18th – Email me at Fleck@kereport.com to be entered into a draw to win 2 free tickets to the conference. 

 


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Brian Leni
Josef Schachter
Discussion
27 Comments
    Oct 04, 2025 04:33 AM

    Josef Schachter is slightly conservative imo with his WTI target. I do agree once the low is in place, which could take another 2/3/4 months up she will go! This is why I’m extremely bullish as well with the mining companies and their revenues.

    Euro/CAD are going to absolutely obliterate USD in the next 4/5 months..

    Iamgold has been a huge winner for me after all these years.

    If you’re not already loading up on Brixton at these ridiculous prices, then you don’t deserve to make money.

    I’m expecting silver to rip through $50 and not look back. Similar to what gold did when the guru
    Garoth Soloway got it wrong with his famous return to the scene of the crime. Well, we all know gold took off at that $ 2045-ish level and see you…Expecting the same or, at most, a $5 drop and rip.

    Best of luck

      Oct 04, 2025 04:44 AM

      Glen, I remember iamgold was your favorite position. Congratulations. This is not a market to exit. I can remember when I was 0 % in equities in 2020 and then slowly began to build my PM stock positions. I’m now almost 50% in equities with about 90% of that in PM stocks. I believe we may have some short term pullbacks and consolidations in them now but we have a long way to go in this PM market. I’ve had a nice return on banking preferred bond dividends which I got into when silicon valley bank got in trouble and everyone ran to the exits on Banking stocks. I got some great discounts on the bonds with high dividends and over time the bonds have moved back to par with those nice dividends. I’m letting my PM stocks now run with low cost averaging and am very selective in the conventional stocks I’m purchasing—always looking for stocks that have been beaten down that no one wants but yet have good underlying businesses. The other thing people should consider is that there is a second leg down that is coming for the treasury bond market. That is when folks better be ready for the conventional market to absolutely get crushed. The long term rates have barely moved when Powell recently lowered the Fed Fund rate. That should be a warning signal to folks.

        Oct 04, 2025 04:47 AM

        I might add that I’m attempting to increase my position in oil stocks over time. Also have a long term position in uranium stocks.

          Oct 05, 2025 05:06 PM

          I bought my Iamgold back when it was Cambior and I bought my XOM, CVX, and SHEL in 1980 when XOM had a PE of 6, CVX had a PE of 5, and SHEL had a PE of 4 and an 8% dividend. If IAG can rise from the dead maybe there is hope for IRVRF and LOMLF and NSRPF. Go I.U., beat the Ducks.

        Oct 04, 2025 04:10 PM

        Good to see your doing well Glen. …..Brixton would certainly qualify as a laggard with nowhere to go but up.

          Oct 04, 2025 04:55 PM

          Bang on wolf! good to see you as well 🙂

        Oct 04, 2025 04:54 PM

        Thank you, Rich, for your kind words.. I was in the hole for many years, and when she went back down to roughly $1.30 CAD, I added more than again at $1.50.

        I got a good friend in at about $3 and change. The first time I ever helped someone and basically gave him a free b. The other day, he invited us over for a barbecue kept saying he regrets not dropping more money. I kept thinking i didn’t get anything out of this deal. Then it hit me, Matthew on more than one occasion, shared some gems. Giving back is a good feeling.

      Oct 05, 2025 05:13 AM

      If history is any guidance, oil stocks will be beaten down to pulp so that big money can enter the sector and buy every share of XOM, CVX, FANG etc. Timing is everything.

      Oct 05, 2025 05:02 PM

      Remember giving you some grief about IAG. I made some money selling puts on it but never hung on for the big score. Congratulations on it, Glenfidish.

    Oct 04, 2025 04:01 AM

    There are 132 oil refineries in the US almost all of them were set up to refine only heavy crude. To convert all these refineries over to refining light crude would cost billions of dollars per refinery. Nearly all the oil America produces is light oil and they are the largest daily producers in The World, but they must sell most of it because of the design of their refineries. A big portion of the heavy crude that America relies on for their refineries comes from the province of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and the Canadian tar sands, and Mexico. They used to import heavy oil from Venezuela but the socialists that have been in power for the last 30 years have destroyed Venezuela’s heavy oil export business. Venezuela has tar sands bigger than Canada’s and in fact Venezuela has the largest resource of crude oil in The World (bigger than The Saudis) and most of it is heavy crude.

    Now you can see why Trump is so interested in Venezuela but on the flip side if America gets control of Venezuelan oil they can by-pass Canadian heavy crude and this will be very, very, bad news for Canada. DT

      Oct 04, 2025 04:43 PM

      Koch wants the Venezuela oil but Russians and Chinese may not allow that.

      Oct 05, 2025 05:10 AM

      thanks DT… for the info….

    Oct 04, 2025 04:52 PM

    Opportunities In Growth-Oriented Gold Producers – Part 13

    Excelsior Prosperity w/ Shad Marquitz (10-04-2025)

    https://excelsiorprosperity.substack.com/p/opportunities-in-growth-oriented-5f2

    Oct 05, 2025 05:27 AM

    Anyone hanging around this site…. should already be in the MONEY…. 🙂

    Oct 05, 2025 05:04 AM

    Hey Glen…… thanks for dropping in…

      Oct 05, 2025 05:07 AM

      Thought of the Day…. 🙂

      Gold mining stocks surged during the Great Depression while the broader market crashed. As a defensive asset, gold and its related stocks were seen as a safe haven, with the largest US gold miner, Homestake Mining, experiencing significant gains as the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted.

    Oct 05, 2025 05:29 AM

    Just an interesting fact……..Are we here today?… 🙂
    Silver has been essential in history because of its value for centuries. Silver has always been a priced commodity, but how it differs from gold is the accessibility. Gold is scarce, therefore making Silver more accessible to everyone. However, it still helps hedge against inflation during times of crisis. Through the years, it has always doubled or quadrupled in value when the world witnesses an economic meltdown.

    Oct 05, 2025 05:33 AM

    When Silver pops out of that LONG CUP AND HANDLE….. (like gold did)
    Game change has happened…. Over $50….. NEW GAME….
    and price can go anywhere….

      Oct 05, 2025 05:22 PM

      Silver’s beautiful cup and handle formation has taken 45 years to form and when it passes $50 it will go to 3 digits. I imagine what Fresnillo, Aya, PAAS, Impact, HL, CDE, Silver 47, Avino, AG, and DVS
      will do.

        Oct 05, 2025 05:38 PM

        I agree BONZO…. 3 digits…. 🙂

    Oct 05, 2025 05:01 PM

    IS THIS A STORY….? humm

    Royal Canadian mint website. No Gold for sale. 85% of silver is gone as well
    Royal Canadian Mint shelves stripped bare—gold unavailable and more than eighty percent of silver gone as demand hits an unprecedented high. Same true in Australia, Vietnam, Various Costco Locations.
    The Silver Academy
    Oct 5

    Oct 05, 2025 05:09 PM

    Gold opens…… within min….. $3916….

      Oct 05, 2025 05:03 PM

      $3940 GOLD…………

        Oct 06, 2025 06:00 AM

        And $48.50 SILVER……

    Oct 06, 2025 06:22 AM

    If we still had the Hunt brothers buying billions of $ of silver futures we would see $150 silver next year.

    BDC
    Oct 06, 2025 06:41 AM

    Ongoing “Three Drives to the Top” 😉

    Oct 06, 2025 06:25 AM

    Watch out: Magna and EMO both up at the same time.