John Rubino, [Substack https://rubino.substack.com/ ], joins us for a wide-ranging discussion on the macroeconomic factors driving the larger commodities sector higher, but then we vector in specifically on opportunities in the gold, silver, and royalties stocks.

We start off discussing how the higher underlying metals environment is not just limited to golds bull run higher, but now has widened out into silver, platinum, copper, and uranium.  This wider breadth of the metals and their related resource stocks is pulling in a larger audience of investors including generalists and momentum traders.  While different commodities have different fundamental factors at work, John points out that in the past when we’ve seen these broader commodities bull markets they’ve tended to last many years and be longer lasting and more durable rallies.

These higher sustained prices like gold above $3,000, or silver above $35, or copper above $5 leading to investor confidence in the producers maintaining healthy margins and valuations, which then in turn attracts even more generalist investor capital flows in as sentiment slowly changes and turns into momentum.  Shifting over to precious metals stocks specifically, these higher underlying metals prices  still leave many producers and  development projects with economics that are better at current spot prices than is actually being factored into their current valuations.  As a result, John believes we’ll see the mining stocks improve their businesses with their growing revenues and cash flows by paying down more debt, buying back shares of their stock, increasing dividends, or making accretive acquisitions.

This leads into a larger discussion on the coming Q2 earnings, which are anticipated to be a record levels, and the optionality it gives these producers as potentially being another catalyst to bring a larger audience of investors into the gold and silver stocks. Specifically with silver stocks, after seeing one of the higher average silver prices in Q2 John outlines how this really could get more investors moving down the risk curve of silver stocks from the highest quality companies down to companies that just have silver in their names.  We also separate the signal from the noise as it relates to the political statements out of the largest silver producing country, Mexico.

Wrapping up we pivot over to the advantages in risk mitigation and margin expansion found in the precious metals royalty companies in this current environment.   John highlights why it is very likely that we’ll continue to see more consolidation in the royalties space, and disconnect in valuations seen in the junior and mid-tier companies, when contrasted against the senior royalty and streaming companies.

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